New Order fans moving to Paris...

My husband and I are moving to Paris in September, so I thought I'd touch base with anyone and everyone who lives there (or elsewhere in France).

Anyone who lives in Paris and/or feels they might be able to help us out (re: job advice, apartments, etc.), please EMAIL ME at committingchronocide@yahoo.com.

I'd really appreciate it. I can give more details in an email once I hear from you.

Merci! Anne Joyce

:D

you're moving to Paris? i'm green with envy, you lucky devil.

r u being sarcastic? hard to tell. i get such mixed responses from peeps when i tell them where we're going...

;)

My parents used to live there for a while back in the 70's. I have family in St. Etienne and Lyon.

Originally posted by Anne Joyce r u being sarcastic? hard to tell. i get such mixed responses from peeps when i tell them where we're going... ;)

Not at all. My partner and I would love to live in Paris, because Paris itself is fascinating, and also you can travel to any part of europe and beyond with relative ease, unlike here in Australia (not that Australia is a bad place to live, it's bloody wonderful in fact, we are just isolated from the rest of the world). We hope that the two of you have a wonderful time.

Mmmmh... I don't know, Paris is still beautiful, but there are definitely some problems... the city hasn't been taken care of as it should have, and there's a lot of poor people, crime etc. and in some areas you have these Islam fanatics which are almost the majority in their suburb and it may be not so pleasant for a girl who's not "covered" enough to venture there... in the subway you just see a lot of mad people left to themselves wandering... My sister has often been there for work and confirmed my impressions, or said it's even worse. Last time I've been to Paris I thought "Fookin hell, this is the horror version of London!" London may have its problems too, but seems definitely a better place.

Is it true that Anti-Semitism is on the rise in France?

Unfortunately yes. Jews wearing kippahs on their heads are attacked by Islam fanatics. And then there's that fascist party of Le Pen, who's strong of a 17%...

Originally posted by Mick Aneworderfan Unfortunately yes. Jews wearing kippahs on their heads are attacked by Islam fanatics. And then there's that fascist party of Le Pen, who's strong of a 17%...

Jean Michael Le Pen, proud of his time in Algeria, torturing anybody that came his way, fascist bastard, good friend of B. Bardot. She is married to his second in command.

The nazi scum in europe have been sending muslims in the middle east annotated versions of "mein kampf" or "kempf" (my struggle, yeah "my struggle" to get an erection) with just sections about how evil jews are, and unfortunately these young muslims are falling for this shit. The next time you see a news report on the war between Israel and Palestine, see how many swastikas you see spray painted around the place. The Palastinians are not nazis, they are just desperate to have their own country.

Originally posted by Spotnick Anne, va sur le forum français, ça pourrait aider énormément, ils y sont tous.Bonne chance, et félicitations pour le mariage, on était pas au courant de ça

Nicolas, you will have to translate this for me, my girlfriend is pretty good at french, but she is fast asleep right now (it's 2:30am here). I wish i spoke bloody french, why didn't i take those french courses in high school when i had the chance? thanx mate.

Originally posted by Buffer Low > Originally posted by Spotnick> Anne, va sur le forum français, ça pourrait aider énormément, ils y sont tous.> > Bonne chance, et félicitations pour le mariage, on était pas au courant de ça

Nicolas, you will have to translate this for me, my girlfriend is pretty good at french, but she is fast asleep right now (it's 2:30am here). I wish i spoke bloody french, why didn't i take those french courses in high school when i had the chance? thanx mate.

he just said i should use the french forum (haven't been on the site much lately and didn't realize it existed! eep!), and congratulated me on my marriage.

:)

Originally posted by Spotnick Anne, va sur le forum français, ça pourrait aider énormément, ils y sont tous.Bonne chance, et félicitations pour le mariage, on était pas au courant de ça

and THANK YOU (re: congrats)... i only got married on march 6. and to someone i'd known a mere month and a bit (it's so true that when you know, you know!). i couldn't be happier.

Thanx for the translation Anne. You fell in love with your husband at first sight? I don't believe in love at first sight, I believe in the desire to fall in love with somebody at first sight, know what i mean?

Originally posted by Buffer Low Thanx for the translation Anne. You fell in love with your husband at first sight? I don't believe in love at first sight, I believe in the desire to fall in love with somebody at first sight, know what i mean?

i getcha. and i agree. but it still happened! ;)

anyway, i just knew i could jump into it. after being in so many long relationships twas nice to meet someone and just be like, yep, let's do this. you're it.

anyway, it's amazing. i was in a relationship when we met. got out of that within a week and the rest is history.

whatever you believe, love is good.

how deep!

Originally posted by Anne Joyce > Originally posted by Buffer Low> Thanx for the translation Anne. You fell in love with your husband at first sight? I don't believe in love at first sight, I believe in the desire to fall in love with somebody at first sight, know what i mean?

i getcha. and i agree. but it still happened! ;)

anyway, i just knew i could jump into it. after being in so many long relationships twas nice to meet someone and just be like, yep, let's do this. you're it.

anyway, it's amazing. i was in a relationship when we met. got out of that within a week and the rest is history.

whatever you believe, love is good.

how deep!

could you take a canadian girl with u in your luggage for me ?

Originally posted by Anne Joyce > Originally posted by Buffer Low> Thanx for the translation Anne. You fell in love with your husband at first sight? I don't believe in love at first sight, I believe in the desire to fall in love with somebody at first sight, know what i mean?

i getcha. and i agree. but it still happened! ;)

anyway, i just knew i could jump into it. after being in so many long relationships twas nice to meet someone and just be like, yep, let's do this. you're it.

anyway, it's amazing. i was in a relationship when we met. got out of that within a week and the rest is history.

whatever you believe, love is good.

how deep! Yeah, i understand what you mean, when you fall in love, you fall in love. I was friends with my partner for four years before we became a couple, and we have been a couple for three years and ten months, wouldn't have it any other way, she has changed my life, she is the love of my life, does that make sense?

Originally posted by Anne Joyce > Originally posted by Spotnick> Anne, va sur le forum français, ça pourrait aider énormément, ils y sont tous.> > Bonne chance, et félicitations pour le mariage, on était pas au courant de ça

and THANK YOU (re: congrats)... i only got married on march 6. and to someone i'd known a mere month and a bit (it's so true that when you know, you know!). i couldn't be happier.

[cynicism]I hope you don't sign up for a long lease. [/cynicism]

Originally posted by Take My Hand (And Don't Let Go) > Originally posted by Tristan Jayol> My parents used to live there for a while back in the 70's. I have family in St. Etienne and Lyon.

No one would know just looking at your name.

My last name is a rare last name from people who come from two particular towns, which I forget. Anyways my grandmother's last name is Sejalon. My last name is also the same name of some convicted Yemeni terrorist, Abubaker Jayol . Whenever I search people with the same last name, I find some people in western Canada and the pacific northwest who had the last name in the late 1800's. I just found an elementary school in Saint Just Saint Rambert called Jayol.

Originally posted by Mick Aneworderfan Mmmmh... I don't know, Paris is still beautiful, but there are definitely some problems... the city hasn't been taken care of as it should have, and there's a lot of poor people, crime etc. and in some areas you have these Islam fanatics which are almost the majority in their suburb and it may be not so pleasant for a girl who's not "covered" enough to venture there... in the subway you just see a lot of mad people left to themselves wandering...My sister has often been there for work and confirmed my impressions, or said it's even worse.Last time I've been to Paris I thought "Fookin hell, this is the horror version of London!" London may have its problems too, but seems definitely a better place.

THIS IS CRAP. We are talking about Paris...

You are living in Italy, right ?

Originally posted by Mick Aneworderfan Unfortunately yes. Jews wearing kippahs on their heads are attacked by Islam fanatics. And then there's that fascist party of Le Pen, who's strong of a 17%...

God, no --- GOD, NO !

17%, and has about always been (but still too much, I agree). It is not really on the rise. It's been sort of steady. Can you UK guys provide us with a % of BNP in your country ?

If you, MickANewOrderFan, refer to what happend for the last french presidential election, you can say 17%. But that case happened once, and will probably never happen again (I am talking about the fact Le Pen went finalist).

Don't know the figures but I'd guess the BNP wouldn't be at more than 1% in opinion poll figures. 17% is somewhere I'd expect the Lib Dems to be at. They have managed to get a lot of publicity out of targeting a few hotspots of racial tension, such as Oldham but overall are pretty inconsequential. That doesn't mean we don't have a far more significant number of racists.

Just checked one source, all other* parties combined were at 8% in an opinion poll for The Guardian in Feb 2004. I think the Ulster Unionist are the 4th largest party, though the Scottish National Party was doing quite well until recently.

*i.e. not Labour, Conservative or Lib Dem.

2001 elected m.p.s

Labour: 409 Conservative: 164 Liberal Democrat: 54 Democratic Unionist: 6 Ulster Unionist: 5 Scottish Nationalist: 5 Plaid Cymru: 4 Sinn Féin: 4 Social Democratic and Labour Party: 3 Independent Conservative: 2 Independent Labour: 1 Independent: 1 The Speaker: 1

As for myself, I am not such a big fan of Paris mainly because it's just way too hectic and busy for me. But it's definitely the place to be in France if you like Culture. There are so many theaters, concert halls, movie theaters and museums to visit. It might not be the world cultural capital town it used to be in the past but it's still a great city. Just heaps lots of things to do and beautiful sights. It's also a very modern city in the sense that it's very cosmopolitan (probably the most cosmopolitan city in France even though I dont know Marseille so well). Concerning racism in Paris. Well, you should know that the mayor of Paris is socialist and gay. Then I guess he is more than concerned with problems of discrimination. And i never witnessed myself a SINGLE racist attack in Paris itself. I have seen many thieves and pickpockets in the subway though ;). The suburbs might be dangerous but I think it's the case with every suburbs of every major city in Europe nowadays. What I mean is : problems with the cohabitation of different ethnic Communities do exist in France. But more than a French problem, it is an European problem. Because these problems exist all over Europe : in Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Belgium or Italy for example.
Btw: the name of the Nazi scum is Jean-Marie Le Pen.

Every town has its crap areas, its places you can't safely walk after a certain time. It's something to do with human beings, cram them together in small places and those who can't afford to get out will bring the place down, and those who can afford to get out will bring their place down and drive away laughing.

I've spent a lot of time in Paris and touch wood I've never had any problems there, I'd move there tomorrow if I could. Give me rural France any day though, that would be just about perfect for me.

Originally posted by Detweiler 3.63 Every town has its crap areas, its places you can't safely walk after a certain time. It's something to do with human beings, cram them together in small places and those who can't afford to get out will bring the place down, and those who can afford to get out will bring their place down and drive away laughing.I've spent a lot of time in Paris and touch wood I've never had any problems there, I'd move there tomorrow if I could. Give me rural France any day though, that would be just about perfect for me.

ya, i'm not really worried. ppl can talk about crime and racism and poverty and blah blah blah in any city. we're not afraid. we may not have lived in paris, but we're both city kids.

and my parents both lived in france, as did my sisters... my family still has lotsa friends (english canadians too -- working and doing very well in paris) all over france. and my husband is half french and thus has family there as well.

i love cities, so paris being busy and hectic is music to my ears (not that i thought otherwise...). i love the chaos and insanity of urban life. i crave it. i need it. i'm a born n bred torontonian who gets panicky OUTSIDE of cities, believe it or not. anyhoo...

our goal is to live in the south eventually. we're starting out in paris cuz we have connections there and thought it'd be easier to find english jobs etc.

but we do wanna move south. my sister plans to buy a house in the south after a year, and says we can live in it (!!!!).

we also have friends and family in various areas of the south. my parents lived for years in provence. i'd LOVE to live in a city like aix-en-provence but i don't know if it's wise to start off there... we don't have tons of money to travel a lot first and will really need to start looking for work almost immediately on arrival.

what does everyone think? should we just risk it and move south/smaller town right away? i mean, we both speak french... but i kinda like the idea of starting out in paris... i'm a writer so living there holds a certain literary fascination for me (not to sound hokey or anything...).

we figure if things don't work out for us there, we can move to the UK... my husband is now applying for his british passport (he was born there), so he has EU citizenship (which makes it much easier for us [me too, as his wife] in france).

wow. i just wrote a shitload. sorry. but i appreciate all your thoughts/opinions. and nothing scares me! i've wanted to just "up and go" since i graduated university but kept getting stuck in relationship with ppl who weren't into that. i've finally met my match. we're very excited... for whatever may come our way. :D

Worst thing about Paris is trying to find somewhere to drink that charges less than 6€ for a pint.

Originally posted by Anne Joyce > Originally posted by Detweiler 3.63> Every town has its crap areas, its places you can't safely walk after a certain time. It's something to do with human beings, cram them together in small places and those who can't afford to get out will bring the place down, and those who can afford to get out will bring their place down and drive away laughing.> > I've spent a lot of time in Paris and touch wood I've never had any problems there, I'd move there tomorrow if I could. Give me rural France any day though, that would be just about perfect for me.

what does everyone think? should we just risk it and move south/smaller town right away? i mean, we both speak french... but i kinda like the idea of starting out in paris... i'm a writer so living there holds a certain literary fascination for me (not to sound hokey or anything...).

If you can afford it, go for Paris (it's actually quite hard to find a flat there and the rents are very high). It's just the place to be (at least for a moment of your life) in France. If you live in Paris itself, you wont have to run after midnight because you might miss your last train/subway or pay shitloads of money for a cab. Then try to visit the rest of France. Landscapes and people are very different from the ones you could see and meet in the rest of France. And you are more than welcome to visit me in Lyon with your husband.

Originally posted by francois-marc loze > Originally posted by Anne Joyce> > > > Originally posted by Detweiler 3.63> > Every town has its crap areas, its places you can't safely walk after a certain time. It's something to do with human beings, cram them together in small places and those who can't afford to get out will bring the place down, and those who can afford to get out will bring their place down and drive away laughing.> > > > I've spent a lot of time in Paris and touch wood I've never had any problems there, I'd move there tomorrow if I could. Give me rural France any day though, that would be just about perfect for me.>

what does everyone think? should we just risk it and move south/smaller town right away? i mean, we both speak french... but i kinda like the idea of starting out in paris... i'm a writer so living there holds a certain literary fascination for me (not to sound hokey or anything...).

If you can afford it, go for Paris (it's actually quite hard to find a flat there and the rents are very high). It's just the place to be (at least for a moment of your life) in France. If you live in Paris itself, you wont have to run after midnight because you might miss your last train/subway or pay shitloads of money for a cab. Then try to visit the rest of France. Landscapes and people are very different from the ones you could see and meet in the rest of France. And you are more than welcome to visit me in Lyon with your husband.

we will definitely take you up on the invite! ;)

thanks for all the tips. we're hoping to have a bit of money to keep us going at first, but who knows if we'll be able to hack it in paris. maybe not. we'll try though. i have no idea what it'll be like finding a job, etc. so much unknown (part of the beauty of it, i suppose...).

nice postal service quote, btw!

:D

The reason Le Pen got 17% and became a finalist was because of a very low turn out and because the socialists, showing a typical trait of lack of any cohesivness couldnt find a uniform candidate and hence split the vote.

I actually applaud the french govts recent actions in combating racism there. There is a long way to go, and it might be a battle that is unwinnable, but as long as people do their bit, these sad fools will perpetually be on the sidelines.

paris: Expensive, but nice

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© Don't know the figures but I'd guess the BNP wouldn't be at more than 1% in opinion poll figures. 17% is somewhere I'd expect the Lib Dems to be at. They have managed to get a lot of publicity out of targeting a few hotspots of racial tension, such as Oldham but overall are pretty inconsequential. That doesn't mean we don't have a far more significant number of racists.Just checked one source, all other* parties combined were at 8% in an opinion poll for The Guardian in Feb 2004. I think the Ulster Unionist are the 4th largest party, though the Scottish National Party was doing quite well until recently. *i.e. not Labour, Conservative or Lib Dem.

Its probably unfair to count the Northern Ireland parties, as they all run effectively racist campaigns. And remember, thats share of the seats, not share of the vote. The Lib Dems share of the vote is around 20%, but they have 10% (approx) of the seats. Labour have 60% of the seats, but recieved 41% of the vote. And if you want to be really pedantic, 24% of the electorate voted labor. So figures can be misleading.

Either way, the BNP is exceptionally low. I epxect thier vote to gain, wouldnt be at all surprised to see them gain a seat in the Euro elections. Events like 9/11 and Madrid are, sadly, brilliant propaganda for the BNP so i expect them to capitilise on that.

Originally posted by Take My Hand (And Don't Let Go) Excuse my ignorance, but since I'm pretty sure the Banque Nationale de Paris didn't become a political party overnight, can you please tell me what BNP stands for?

It's the British National Party http://www.bnp.org.uk/

Originally posted by Spotnick BTW, Anne knows about abusive rent prices.. she moved from Montréal to Toronto :p

that's for sure! although, now my tiny (but balcony-ed) apt. is shared with my hubby, so i pay very little!

'twas a shock, however, moving from mtl. to toronto (rental prices only, of course, since i did grow up here!).

but i think paris is much worse... who knows, we may end up ditching the city and moving south. we'll see. can't really know until we arrive and have spent a couple weeks there.

we're moving there with nothing. roan is going to sell a shitload of vintage music equipment (keyboards, samplers, guitars, etc.) on ebay so we have so extra cash... so if anyone's looking to buy some quality, hard-to-find stuff, lemme know!

blah blah blah...

Originally posted by Spotnick Well, if you think gas is expensive in Canada, wait 'til you go to Europe.Good news is, wine is cheaper than coca-cola there!!

we don't drive now and would only ever rent a car for weekends there...

but very good news about the wine! gonna drink me much o that!

aj

Originally posted by Spotnick Well, if you think gas is expensive in Canada, wait 'til you go to Europe.Good news is, wine is cheaper than coca-cola there!!

You mean a glass of wine? I never actually drink wine in Cafés here...

More on the BNP

Yeah, the whole BNP-thing has been hugely exaggerated. It's depressing for sure, but no surprise where they gain a (limited) foothold: Bradford, Burnley, Oldham, even Stoke - run down shitty towns that haven't moved from the heavy industries they were built upon into the shimmering post-industrial dream. Add to this low average wages, high unemployment, years of socio-economic neglect......it's no wonder people are pissed off, and pissed-off people need someone or something to vent their anger on. Which is where the BNP come in....

A case in point: during the so-called race riots in Oldham etc, there's was a minor disturbance in Stoke where a bunch of about 20 asian lads burned a few cars and chucked bricks at a few coppers. There had been a rumour that the BNP were going to march through Cobridge, the shittiest part of the city and a district with a large Asian population. Add to this the fact that 500 hundred asylum seekers had been recently housed in the area (and how pissed off must they have felt?) and you're just asking for trouble. Christ, if I lived in Cobridge I'd be out chucking bricks at coppers and burning cars every fucking night of the week.

Having no prospects and feeling like you've been shat on all your life is always going to lead people towards groups like the BNP, and until deacdes worth of socio-economic neglect is undone, there'll always be a gravitation towards far-right groups. Sad, but painfully true.