Drug Trials on Humans..
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What a shocker! There have been advertisements on drug trials in my college paper, particularly one on a herpes vaccine. I refused. I'm praying for those guys. Drug trials can sure be risky.
Christ! Makes you think twice when considering volunteering yourself to MEDIVAL for a bit of extra cash.
monty wrote: Christ! Makes you think twice when considering volunteering yourself to MEDIVAL for a bit of extra cash.
Remember: Health is better than wealth.
Very much fingers crossed. Their voluntary work is vital.
The word ‘fundamental’ unfortunately is misused in several contexts these days, but it is essential to unreservedly understand the reasons why any organisation exists. Private sector pharmaceuticals only operate to make money, whatever the level of social dependency it may provide.
There usually isn’t the need or the appropriate circumstances to cry foul in the name of the planet. Most people within companies are either genuinely uncomfortable with many decisions and actions they are forced to carry out for a living, or even despise the company. However, we must never allow ourselves to be sentimentally persuaded to obscure our thoughts from this sole objective held by companies in the private sector.
It’s likely in this case that communications between the pharmaceutical and the trial patients COULD have been slightly blurred, whether that be misunderstandings, individual errors by doctors or indeed something far more sinister. These scenarios alone carry far more than just three specific outcomes.
In other words, we all have to think carefully what extra questions we need to ask when dealing with these companies, and get the dialogue in writing (under legal supervision). Again, there is a so much better way we humans could live in this world.
to read about a REALLY messed up study on disease, look no further than this:
This all happened at my local hospital. Thank God I was too lazy to folow up one of those adverts I saw in a paper.
As fearful as I am of starting anything near a sensible debate then - who is it just to experiment upon? - I dont mean cosmetics etc, I mean real 'life saving' drugs ; should it just be animals and if so, how are they ever going to mirror our genetics completely anyway, or should it be down to volunteers? I suppose, should there be a choice ?
I did a project on animal testing. A downside to this is that animals may not be immune to some human diseases due to their genetics. For instance, smallpox is a human disease; a chimpanzee in a lab wouldn't have the chance to live as his body could not fight it off.
Yes, that's what I mean - christ, these guys........well, its been very 'sweeping' as to the drug tests they have subjected to anyway..which is intriguing?
What would be intriguing is if there was a way to harvest cells to create human tissue to do the drug testing so that no animals or humans would be used. However, we still have a long way to go with the stem-cell research.
Well, I think medicine probably has a long long long way to go.......but I do think that if you are a human being reliant on a certain drug to stay alive, or even, stay well, if you were honest, as much as it may 'upset' you, you still take the drug if it does its intended thing, however or whoever tested upon!
Wino wrote: Well, I think medicine probably has a long long long way to go.......but I do think that if you are a human being reliant on a certain drug to stay alive, or even, stay well, if you were honest, as much as it may 'upset' you, you still take the drug if it does its intended thing, however or whoever tested upon!
That's true.
[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Hey, any other news on those guys?
improvement. two off the life support. two receiving less life support. the other two in critical condition.
four of them sufferingmultiple organ failure -within hours of receiving the drugs.
not for a minute to say that there isn't a place for these big- gun drugs-- but however many years ago when the drugs weren't around weren't affected people functionally along reasonably well w/out them.
Wino wrote: Which drugs/conditions do you mean?
mostly the arthitis-anti-inflamatory-type. even some of the pschiatric drugs seem to do more harm than good. especially when there are multiple drugs involved trying to balance multiple conditions.. Cancers- drugs burn everything in their path.. instead of boosting the immune system they can knock it out.
I don't know if you have heard this, but some anti-arthritis/ anti-inflammatory drugs caused heart attacks in the U.S. Vioxx and Celebrex had to be taken off the shelves.
[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: heard this- some anti-arthritis/ anti-inflammatory drugs caused heart attacks in the U.S. Vioxx and Celebrex had to be taken off the shelves.
bingo. all these strong chemicals with side-effects that long term aren't known.. simply because they haven't been around too long. interacting with other ..drugs that someone may be taking. such a mix. almost that the original ailment trying to get cleared/ corrected becomes secondary to keeping the drugs themselves sorted out.
14-K, do you live in the U.K.? If so, what kind of antidepressants do they have over there that are used by children? There was a news this morning that more children are prescribed on anti-psychotics. Some of these drugs have a black label warning that says that they can cause suicidal thoughts in teens. Also, these drugs cause heart disease. I sometimes wonder kids should even be taking antidepressants and anti-psychotics because they shouldn't. Some of those drugs such as Ritalin have been banned in Sweden from children's use.
[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: 14-K, do you live in the U.K.-- Some of those drugs such as Ritalin have been banned in Sweden from children's use.
cozomit- a Canadian. no idea about all the psychiatric drugs used on kids but do think that most of the funds going to clincal trials here, there and everywhere could istead go toward keeping the educational system, sports centres etc. more vibrant and supportive. :\party:--
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Probably the most bizarre statistic that has happened following this much publicised tragedy re: drugs testing is that more people in the UK have volunteered themselves after the news, than do in a whole year.
The fact that newspapers have stated that some get paid £2,000 and get put up in a plush house/hotel for observation, surely has something to do with it.
Perhaps we shouldn't be feeling sorry for these people.
Burt Reynolds wrote: Probably the most bizarre statistic that has happened following this much publicised tragedy re: drugs testing is that more people in the UK have volunteered themselves after the news, than do in a whole year.
The fact that newspapers have stated that some get paid £2,000 and get put up in a plush house/hotel for observation, surely has something to do with it.
Perhaps we shouldn't be feeling sorry for these people.
some people may actually need that money. it probably says more about out western society, that some people are desperate enough to do this even knowing the potential risk.
then again these drugs do need to be tested. i as a patient do not want to become the test subject.
14 -K wrote:
[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: 14-K, do you live in the U.K.-- Some of those drugs such as Ritalin have been banned in Sweden from children's use.
cozomit- a Canadian. no idea about all the psychiatric drugs used on kids but do think that most of the funds going to clincal trials here, there and everywhere could istead go toward keeping the educational system, sports centres etc. more vibrant and supportive. :\party:--
Well sorry if I have been carried away. But some of these antidepressants can cause heart disease. BTW, the Drug Testing story is making news on Yahoo! U.S.
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: Probably the most bizarre statistic that has happened following this much publicised tragedy re: drugs testing is that more people in the UK have volunteered themselves after the news, than do in a whole year.
The fact that newspapers have stated that some get paid £2,000 and get put up in a plush house/hotel for observation, surely has something to do with it.
Perhaps we shouldn't be feeling sorry for these people.
some people may actually need that money. it probably says more about out western society, that some people are desperate enough to do this even knowing the potential risk.
then again these drugs do need to be tested. i as a patient do not want to become the test subject.
Well, Ron has some interesting points. Some people are willing to do the study for the money just as they want to be human guinea pigs. I'm not enthusiastic about being a study subject.
If you want to hear something off the wall regarding medical studies or procedures in exchange for cash, here goes. My college newspaper placed an ad requesting women between 18-44 to donate their eggs for $5000 compensation. The risks: Suppose if the child develops a condition apart from the surrogate parents, that it was caused by the donor's gene, and the donor does not know that she has the gene that can cause this condition? Suppose if this condition becomes a life and death decision?
seems these posts are getting..mixed.. cozmonite-no need for an apology. not even sure what for. - that a drug caused un-expected results / interactions isn't too surprising & unfortunately will, probably, happen again in no time flat. most of these pharmaceuticals are just too new to have anything close to consistent results. Especially when used on so many different types of people.
Really, no apology? Geez, I'm such a character. Anyway, I am very interested in stories like this since I want to be a biology major. I sure hope the guys in the drug trial are going to be OK. I'm praying for them.
excellent. tons and tonnes of people are probably sending out best thoughts on this one. the re-percussions could get huge. plus these are only some of the things the we- the public- hear about. hopefully too, the big companies will think twice, and a third time, to try and stop this kind of thing happening again. J.W.
