Spanish Lession (Required)

I only know two Spanish phases and neither of them are any use at all apart from in a bar. So I need help:

What's Spanish for Noo Ordah?

I typed it into Babel Fish, but I'm worried that I may have got the phrase for a new order (like a new round of drinks) rather than the real meaning of New Order. But what does New Order really mean - New World Order, or new band line-up?

So there may be options for the translation - a literal translation or something that means the same.

I'm sure you understand the question - but what is the answer?

I know in Serbian if you're interested

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JAK, Dimmock - why not? Let's open it up to how to say New Order in ANY other language. So yes, the Scouse and Serbian translations would be very welcome.

MJ - I wouldn't buy that peice of shite if the whole of Spain was being given away as a free gift. Where would I put it? How do you say New Order in Orrige?

Cue Liam jumping in on 'The' in front of band names...

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote: New Order in Orrige?

New order

NOVI POREDAK

[magenta]Missy Jem[/magenta] wrote: Cue Liam jumping in on 'The' in front of band names...

just thinkin that. Sort this fuckin thread out Liam with a few wise words willya lad.

Al Jarvis wrote:

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote: MJ - I wouldn't buy that peice of shite if the whole of Spain was being given away as a free gift. Where would I put it? How do you say New Order in Orrige?

Was that Orrige?! Or orange?!

Spanish bird here said La Nueva Orden cos it's a Proper Noun, but that tranlates to The New Order. Er, which is a bit dodgy, no?!

That spanish bird is wrong :P

It's El Orden Nuevo -- Orden is masculine and the adjectives come after the nown

You need the EL because it's a proper name but it doesn't translate to The New Order. It's just New Order

Why don't you ask on the Spanish Forum? I'm sure some of them can speak English...

[magenta]Missy Jem[/magenta] wrote: Why don't you ask on the Spanish Forum? I'm sure some of them can speak English...

they prolly say "new order" hahah :)

I'm fluent... I never thought of going over there. More places to wreck havoc.. I mean meet with fellow new order fans

Cant, am busy sacking people today.

Did i mention I sacked someone last week while eating a mint Magnum? Very nice!

Literally it is Nueva Orden.

You're sacking crazy! No wonder you're busy all the time, there's no bugger left to work for you!

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Literally it is Nueva Orden.

no. literally that's broken Spanish.

OK. It's been almost a year since I dropped my Spanish IV class in college. But I still know the language.

Orden Nuevo - in Spanish

Новый порядок - in Russian

Neuordnung - in German

Well, I did use the Google translation tool. I know that most adjectives come after the noun in Spanish, but that includes nuevo/a? Wow, I'm getting a bit rusty in Spanish.

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Well, I did use the Google translation tool. I know that most adjectives come after the noun in Spanish, but that includes nuevo/a? Wow, I'm getting a bit rusty in Spanish.

yes it includes it

ChrissMari wrote:

It's El Orden Nuevo -- Orden is masculine and the adjectives come after the nown

You need the EL because it's a proper name but it doesn't translate to The New Order. It's just New Order

So it's Nuevo rather than Nueva because Orden is masculine?

And is it definatley Orden? The same word for ordering drinks as for the Order of things?

And does it really make it properly wrong if you miss out the El bit? If a band called themselves Orden Nuevo, would they get away with it, or does it just sound crap?

By the way, as we're helping one another today, it's noun: N.O.U.N.

Uncle Liam wrote: Cant, am busy sacking people today.

Who are you calling a cant?

Prock.

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote:

ChrissMari wrote:

It's El Orden Nuevo -- Orden is masculine and the adjectives come after the nown

You need the EL because it's a proper name but it doesn't translate to The New Order. It's just New Order

So it's Nuevo rather than Nueva because Orden is masculine?

And is it definatley Orden? The same word for ordering drinks as for the Order of things?

And does it really make it properly wrong if you miss out the El bit? If a band called themselves Orden Nuevo, would they get away with it, or does it just sound crap?

By the way, as we're helping one another today, it's noun: N.O.U.N.

:P

It's definitely orden. It's like the rule or the order of things as well

I don't think anyone will shoot you for not including the El bit but it's kind of proper

and noun

It's Nueva Orden

By the way, if anyone's interested, in portuguese it's Nova Ordem

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Orden Nuevo - in Spanish

Новый порядок - in Russian

Neuordnung - in German

in German, i prefer the term: Neue Order. an alternative would be Neue Ordnung.

That should be the point of this thread.

Discuss the relative meanings of the alternative translations of New Order in different languages.

Could be interesting...

I thought you said you were.......erm......under the influence?

Wino wrote: I thought you said you were.......erm......under the influence?

So?

Evening Dudes!

Well, French allows two possibilities :

Nouvel Ordre Ordre Nouveau

All depends on what you mean to say. What do you want to stress ?

Example : un con grand is a cunt who is tall, un grand con is someone who is a great cunt amongst the cunts...

By the way, in Czech : Nový Pořádek In Slovak : Nový Poriadok

Al Jarvis wrote:

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote: That should be the point of this thread.

Discuss the relative meanings of the alternative translations of New Order in different languages.

Could be interesting...

Considering it's a Proper Noun though shouldn't this simply be New Order whether in Spanish or German or Russian or whatever?!

Of course, you're right. But in Spanish tradition foreign Proper Nouns tend to be converted into Spanish in some cases. And this is not the case. But think of Japanese, too.

I had a Mexican release of the Beatles' Blue Album LP, a long time ago. And it's stuck for good in my head how they trasnlated I'm the Walrus - Yo soy la morsa. I don't remember if they even bothered to accompany it with the original English title.

Jiphy wrote:

In Slovak : Nový Poriadok

It's so bizarre that of all West-Slavic languages, Slovak and Slovenian are the closest to Russian. It's very interesting. I'd love to go over there to see if I'd understand everything they say.

"Nuevo Orden" that´s we call here in México City and sound better than the "Orden Nuevo" y "La Nueva Orden"!!!!

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: It's so bizarre that of all West-Slavic languages, Slovak and Slovenian are the closest to Russian. It's very interesting. I'd love to go over there to see if I'd understand everything they say.

A bit of history with Jiphy.

I assume that you know about the two monks who went away to evangelise the Slavs ? They stayed on long time in Great Moravia (from East Bohemia to Central Slovakia and a part of the Hungarian “Puszta”) where they translated the Bible into “Protoslav” (I think it is said so) using what was to be called later Cyrillic letters. This makes that Slovak is the closest language to this “Protoslav” even if it is written in Latin letters – but we will talk about it later. Speaking Slovak allows you to grab almost everything in the other Slavic languages. So then, why letters changed to Latin letters. I do not remember when it happened but I think that the main reason is the division of the Church of Roma and the one of Byzance (sorry, I only know this name in French). The oldest way to write Slavic languages with Latin letters is almost still in use in Polish. By Hus, the orthography changed : Ш as you know it in Russian is SZ in Polish and Š in the other languages. Then, why do you feel that Slovenian and Slovak are very close ? Firstly, for the reason I told you about for the “Protoslav”. Secondly, because Slovaks and Slovenes used to live in the same place until the Hungarian invasion. When the Hungarians finally settled, they did it in the plain. Slovenes and Slovaks moved to the mountains in order to find refuge. As the Hungarians were between them, the common language did change in two different languages. It is also funny to see that Slovak is the language that influenced the most the Hungarian one. As Hungarians were nomads, they had a lack of vocabulary. Therefore you can find Slovak words in Hungarian. The Plain of Hungary is called Magyar Puszta, puszta being a word coming from pusta. You have some funny other examples. Family, SK čalada, HU csálad – Cat, SK mačka, HU macska…

Well, I hope it gave you a part of answer to what you were wondering about.

edit : East Bohemia, sorry

Jiphy wrote:

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: It's so bizarre that of all West-Slavic languages, Slovak and Slovenian are the closest to Russian. It's very interesting. I'd love to go over there to see if I'd understand everything they say.

A bit of history with Jiphy.

I assume that you know about the two monks who went away to evangelise the Slavs ? They stayed on long time in Great Moravia (from East Bohemia to Central Slovakia and a part of the Hungarian “Puszta”) where they translated the Bible into “Protoslav” (I think it is said so) using what was to be called later Cyrillic letters. This makes that Slovak is the closest language to this “Protoslav” even if it is written in Latin letters – but we will talk about it later. Speaking Slovak allows you to grab almost everything in the other Slavic languages. So then, why letters changed to Latin letters. I do not remember when it happened but I think that the main reason is the division of the Church of Roma and the one of Byzance (sorry, I only know this name in French). The oldest way to write Slavic languages with Latin letters is almost still in use in Polish. By Hus, the orthography changed : Ш as you know it in Russian is SZ in Polish and Š in the other languages. Then, why do you feel that Slovenian and Slovak are very close ? Firstly, for the reason I told you about for the “Protoslav”. Secondly, because Slovaks and Slovenes used to live in the same place until the Hungarian invasion. When the Hungarians finally settled, they did it in the plain. Slovenes and Slovaks moved to the mountains in order to find refuge. As the Hungarians were between them, the common language did change in two different languages. It is also funny to see that Slovak is the language that influenced the most the Hungarian one. As Hungarians were nomads, they had a lack of vocabulary. Therefore you can find Slovak words in Hungarian. The Plain of Hungary is called Magyar Puszta, puszta being a word coming from pusta. You have some funny other examples. Family, SK čalada, HU csálad – Cat, SK mačka, HU macska…

Well, I hope it gave you a part of answer to what you were wondering about.

edit : East Bohemia, sorry

Quite interesting! Especially I was astounded to know that Hungarian was influenced somehow by a Slav language. It reminds me how Lithuanian (a strictly Baltic language) was also influenced by Slavs. Yes I know about Stt. Cyrill and Methodius (they are considered Patrons of Slavs) but I never seemed to think about the Hungarian invasion as the diving factor. The Protoslav may be also called Old Slavonic? That's how it's called now in modern Russian: Old Slavonic or Church-Slav.

Before the 1917 revolution every Russian knew that Old Slavonic mainly because the traditional Russian Bible was written in it by, like you said, Cyrill and Methodius in the 9th century. But now it's used by clergy only. Even I cannot fully understand the traditional Bible wording and prefer the new-Russian Bible (translated in 1840s).

In Icelandic:

Ný Skipun Ný Pöntun Ný Regla

The first two being the sense of 'commanding', the third of 'arranging'...

SHEDi xxx

almansoglasnost wrote:

well, it´s more complicated than it seems really. could be Nuevo Orden or Nueva Orden. why? because Orden (Order) could be female or male in spanish and by that to be 2 different words. if you put La or El it´s like you puting The at the beginning, so it´s useless.

Thanks Almanso. I'm sure we'd be safer using the MALE version - can't give a man's band like NO a girl's name