They say the best way to address bitchiness is to ignore it

I however can't do that especially when it is completely unjustified. I joined NOOL for a laugh, but recent crap has spoilt the fun. So what about you, can you ignore it, or does it make your blood boil?

I have decided to stop posting on NOOL, because I no longer want to be a part of it. Some of you have my email, the others know how to contact me in the future regarding gigs etc where I will be found down the front as usual, near Ness. Byee

Aw, LJ, don't go! Come to the Shed! Although I understand how you feel, I nearly jacked it all in a while ago during the Bacon Sandwich Wars... Take care...

SHEDi xxx

lucyjane wrote: I however can't do that especially when it is completely unjustified. I joined NOOL for a laugh, but recent crap has spoilt the fun. So what about you, can you ignore it, or does it make your blood boil?

I have decided to stop posting on NOOL, because I no longer want to be a part of it. Some of you have my email, the others know how to contact me in the future regarding gigs etc where I will be found down the front as usual, near Ness. Byee

Well you know I take things around here more seriously than most, so it would be a bit rich of me to tell you to take it in your stride. I've been there, where you are now. And all I can say is, I hope this passes and we see you round here again, cos yer a nice lass. Meanime yea, I have your email and you have mine. Don;t be a stranger, and best wishes.

Of course I'm only saying that cos yer a girl and secretly I wish you to dump JT and move in with tme here at my playboy mansion.

Actually, Lucy...Shedi has a point...come stay in the shed, nasty people aren't allowed in there. I mean I know we're all drooling fuckwitts, but hey, we're NO-loving drooling fuckwitts.

please stay. don't let a few bad experiences put you off.

.

I know it's easier said than done, but why should you have to stop posting on here? Having met you i can honestly say you're a top girl - really nice and totally inoffensive. Fuck anyone who pisses you off. Stay on here woman!

C'mon LJ

where's that Yorkshire grit

This is rediculous.

You should make your leaving post a bit more personal. Naming names would have started a good scrap - a missed oportunity there

you lot seem to live and breathe NO and NOOl.(and sheds) take it too seriously and all that.

just a game innit?

fuck me...what did you all do before NOOL? sit in your room listening to Movement all day.

J.A.K wrote:

just a game innit?

spot on

Barney Army wrote:

J.A.K wrote:

just a game innit?

spot on

fuck this. i'm going for a kick-about. anyone coming?

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote: This is rediculous.

You should make your leaving post a bit more personal. Naming names would have started a good scrap - a missed oportunity there

I concur.

And the title as well of the thread as well. Seems strange to venture away from the traditional "I'll fuck off" title.

You'll be Back! Its like being in prison, once your out, you dont know what do, and sooner or later, you'll be back in.

Uncle Liam wrote:

You'll be Back! Its like being in prison, once your out, you dont know what do, and sooner or later, you'll be back in.

Anyone else got a mental picture of LJ bending to pick up the soap in a communal shower?

Thanks Liam

It's prosecutable if there's a move to Pennsylvania.

Here LJ.....if you need to know your standing round here....when was the last time you saw the list of names on this thread agreeing on anything?

Liam's only half right BTW, it's not like a prison, it's like the village, you are number six etc. The only difference is that each episode of "the prisoner" ended with a slamming door sound, here every episode ends with Hooky clanging his open G meaninglessly, like every NO live performance :D

Al Jarvis wrote:

Cambo, she's ignoring us, remember?!

Why should that stop us talking to her?

What happened?

State of Love and Trust wrote: What happened?

We got rid of someone by being horrible to them.

And guess what - you're next!

I'm gonna do some moderating soon

Percy Thrower wrote: I'm gonna do some moderating soon

Moderate?

You couldn't moderate the temperature of a baby's bath.

Bloody hell.Another ONE bites the DUST.LucyJane TAKE CARE.Won't be at LIVERPOOL but will see you AGAIn soon.Don't LET anyone here drive you away though.HATE things like this. REGARDS Rocket Mick.

Percy Thrower wrote: I'm gonna do some moderating soon

bacon butties gonna be pricey this weekend with all those airbourne porkers.

Al, I think Col hit it on the head mate, she can ignore, but we can still talk bollox, in fact you;ve probably noticed I'm just the sort of whiney bollix that's hard to tune out :D

Maybe we should have an online execution poll. Who goes, LJ or everyone's favourite American bitch-troll ChrissMari?

Wonder how the vote would go?

early odds for execution: Lucyjane 4000-1 ChrissMari 1-22222222222222222222222222

J.A.K wrote:

fuck this. i'm going for a kick-about. anyone coming?

hmmmm, my crossing is a bit dodgy in me work shoes :\ohwell:

State of Love and Trust wrote: What happened?

Have a look at the "So what do you actually do?" thread on BCD and it will all become clear...

oldmonkey wrote: Maybe we should have an online execution poll. Who goes, LJ or everyone's favourite American bitch-troll ChrissMari?

Wonder how the vote would go?

early odds for execution: Lucyjane 4000-1 ChrissMari 1-22222222222222222222222222

Not tremendously responsible talk from a mod now is it LOL

I never had a particular problem with the young lady in question, always thought she played the same games as me ( the say stuff you don;t quite mean to rattle braincells and make folks have a wee think game, I play with humour and hyperbole, she plays shock jock rules). But she's be downright (and succesfully) hurtful to a couple of very nice folks lately and I am dissappointed in her (get fuckin yoda here like). Rather than toss her to the Daleks just yet, I think she should grow a pair and say sorry.

Among a moderator's enforcement duties is often the duty to stop flaming and keep the board a friendly place, free of personal insults

For Friendly, read Boring!

Lets face it, this place wouldnt be nearly as good without all the sniping that goes on. "We all love New Order, we're all a loving community" and all that bollocks just doesnt cut it.

Uncle Liam wrote: For Friendly, read Boring!

Lets face it, this place wouldnt be nearly as good without all the sniping that goes on. "We all love New Order, we're all a loving community" and all that bollocks just doesnt cut it.

Yes and no. Some of you I think are cunts, some of you I like, some I am indifferent towards. But there's not one of you here who if they asked me to help out with something, would receive "fook off". And I'm far from the only person with that attitude, tho some of them would never admit it :D

I agree with you Ron. Everyone knows what this is about, its not just the 'so what do you do thread?' either, there have been a couple of others in the last while where the same thing has happened. I thought the terms of use here were straightforward enough to abide by and for the moderators to 'police' for want of a better word. That's just not happening.

I used to think the 'perp' was clever, witty and had something to contribute here. Now we 'all take the internet too seriously' and there's a picture of a baby in a microwave on BCD ffs. Every response is a disrespectful putdown - for what? The pursuit of cool?

Its not just LJ either - I speak to a few people here off the forums and this 'issue' is now coming up all the time. Yeah I can ignore it and go suck my dummy, but why the f*** should I have to?

Steve Campbell wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: Maybe we should have an online execution poll. Who goes, LJ or everyone's favourite American bitch-troll ChrissMari?

Wonder how the vote would go?

early odds for execution: Lucyjane 4000-1 ChrissMari 1-22222222222222222222222222

Not tremendously responsible talk from a mod now is it LOL

I never had a particular problem with the young lady in question, always thought she played the same games as me ( the say stuff you don;t quite mean to rattle braincells and make folks have a wee think game, I play with humour and hyperbole, she plays shock jock rules). But she's be downright (and succesfully) hurtful to a couple of very nice folks lately and I am dissappointed in her (get fuckin yoda here like). Rather than toss her to the Daleks just yet, I think she should grow a pair and say sorry.

I think it's very responsible talk, in fact. Monkey's not ducking the issue there, and I applaud him for it.

His graps of betting odds is suspect though - given an unreasonably good price for both options there.

The fact that a long-standing and responsible contributor to these boards, and a familiar face at gigs, has been hounded out by this useless twat is utter crap. By her own admission, her intent in posting here is to cause offence and upset people. It's not fucking on. Saying sorry is not enough. I'd ban her, or at least moderate her out of existence.

I don't agree with Cambo - he, and a lot of other people, are full of utter shite and post bollocks most of the time. Which, let's face it, is why we are here. But it's a different game when the intent, the stated intent, is to cause offence.

She's insulted my friends too often and I've had enough of it.

(She's good at Spanish though, I will give her that).

They're not your friends. Just your imagination Colin. Now take your drugs and sit in the corner.

Seriously, Mike got moderated for a while (didnt stop him posting though). And even though she doesnt insult me, the only thing that pisses me off about her is the complete lack of comedy in her insults. And the fact that most of them dont make any sense.

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote:

The fact that a long-standing and responsible contributor to these boards, and a familiar face at gigs, has been hounded out by this useless twat is utter crap.

very true

this has gone beyond NOOL and the 'internet', its just mates sticking together, as we do outside this site in real life.

LJ is one the faces that brightens up a pre-gig meet up. But never bites with my Leeds baiting

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote: I don't agree with Cambo - he, and a lot of other people, are full of utter shite and post bollocks most of the time. Which, let's face it, is why we are here.

I'd rather you stated clearly "myself included" there instead of just inplying it with the "we".

She's insulted my friends too often and I've had enough of it.

rougly my own feelings, but given recent conversations on here, I didn;t like to say it like that.Her comments about English mums, which were clearly aimed at a particular English mum, were possibly the nastiest thing I've ever read on here. I am however always loathe to get too one sided, (I can think of one person on here who is about ready to strangle me for my desire to see both sides of things.) But I think I have demonstrated often enough what a total tit I am when I do pick a side and run with it blindly....I'm from NI, it must be fuckin genetic.

I suppose I am literally, to an extent, playing devil's advocate.Too often I've been the one in the centre of the circle to ever be comfortable on the side that's DOING the mobbing ( however legitimate).

Uncle Liam wrote:

Blah blah blah...Seriously, Mike got moderated for a while...blah blah

That was different.

And you're a knob

Steve Campbell wrote:

I am however always loathe to get too one sided, (I can think of one person on here who is about ready to strangle me for my desire to see both sides of things.) But I think I have demonstrated often enough what a total tit I am when I do pick a side and run with it blindly....I'm from NI, it must be fuckin genetic.

I suppose I am literally, to an extent, playing devil's advocate.Too often I've been the one in the centre of the circle to ever be comfortable on the side that's DOING the mobbing ( however legitimate).

Bollocks, you'd be ripping right in if CM was a bloke.

And alright, 'We'.

Barney Army wrote:

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote:

The fact that a long-standing and responsible contributor to these boards, and a familiar face at gigs, has been hounded out by this useless twat is utter crap.

very true

this has gone beyond NOOL and the 'internet', its just mates sticking together, as we do outside this site in real life.

LJ is one the faces that brightens up a pre-gig meet up. But never bites with my Leeds baiting

I've never met LJ, we never even talked much round the boards,but a coupla months ago, when I was being quite quiet on here, I recevied one of the nicest communiques I've ever gotten, from LJ enquiring as to my health and happiness. A properly nice lass, whom I hope to bump into eventually (tho not at liverpool, that one's slipping through me fingers)

"The fact that a long-standing and responsible contributor to these boards, and a familiar face at gigs, has been hounded out by this useless twat is utter crap. By her own admission, her intent in posting here is to cause offence and upset people. It's not fucking on. Saying sorry is not enough. I'd ban her, or at least moderate her out of existence."

Who are you actually talking about here? Lucyjane or CrissMari I'm confused

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote: Bollocks, you'd be ripping right in if CM was a bloke.

And alright, 'We'.

Probably but not for that direct reason. That's all I can say really without saying things that should not be said publicly. Prolly only CM and Jem will know what I mean, sorry.

Geoff Hamilton wrote:

I used to think the 'perp' was clever, witty and had something to contribute here. Now we 'all take the internet too seriously' and there's a picture of a baby in a microwave on BCD ffs. Every response is a disrespectful putdown - for what? The pursuit of cool?

It's only a website and I never let anything bother me - but that picture really was out of order.

People really need to think for a moment about the real lives of other users who read this board. Maybe then they'd realise that jokes about cot-death are not funny in the slightest.

i'm always getting the robbin scouser theme. love it man. keep it comin

Old Blue wrote:

Geoff Hamilton wrote:

I used to think the 'perp' was clever, witty and had something to contribute here. Now we 'all take the internet too seriously' and there's a picture of a baby in a microwave on BCD ffs. Every response is a disrespectful putdown - for what? The pursuit of cool?

It's only a website and I never let anything bother me - but that picture really was out of order.

People really need to think for a moment about the real lives of other users who read this board. Maybe then they'd realise that jokes about cot-death are not funny in the slightest.

That was me, not CM. And it was offered as a means of causing offence, to actually do so, and certainly not raise a laugh. I did laugh me knackers off at the baby in the microwave tho.

J.A.K wrote: i'm always getting the robbin scouser theme. love it man. keep it comin

I don't know what to say. You don't care anyway

LJ will be back, if only because we all take the piss out of her for buggering off. As various others have said, she's one of THE faces at gigs and meet-ups would be infinitely poorer without her. As would this "place".

CM is astonishingly annoying, but then she's hardly in a minority there. What ceaselessly amazes me is the way the people who are so quick to play the "community" card are also those who mostly frequently break the most basic rule of any so-called "community" which is having a bit of fucking respect for the opinions of other members of that so-called "community". What tend to happen instead is that when people are asked to say, post slightly less frequently, or stop hijacking threads, or use MSN insted of the board for conversations then they do the exact opposite, revelling in a kind of delusional pseudo-outlaw status. CM is symptomatic of that, but hardly the only offender.

She is a complete tit, mind.

:D

Agreed.

"Community"=

So are we all doing here????

Craig W wrote: So are we all doing here????

we're here for a scrap arent we?

Barney Army wrote:

Craig W wrote: So are we all doing here????

we're here for a scrap arent we?

NOOL is a battlefield?

Maybe Benetar should do a remix!

NOOL Scrap World Cup???

Al Jarvis wrote: I prefer Darwin's Theory of Evolution

you mean 'natural selection'

Al Jarvis wrote:

Craig W wrote: So are we all doing here????

Good questin, Craigy, and one which perhaps even deserves its own thread.

I prefer Darwin's Theory of Evolution but, hey, I'm sure there's some Bible Bashers here with different ideas about the what, the why and the how.

Yer 'arvin a larf aintcha?

Typical... But I get it; that's why we're all here...

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote:

J.A.K wrote: i'm always getting the robbin scouser theme. love it man. keep it comin

I don't know what to say. You don't care anyway

care about what? NOOL? i don't really. NO...i do care.

a lot of people on here are knobs to be honest. but i put up with them. that's why i post. just coz they like NO, doesn't mean they're great. beauts a lot of them. I honestly believe that some people must lead one hell of a sad and lonely life, if they are gettin all worked up over this. FFS get a fuckin grip will yez and break that bleedin bubble that you are all suffocating in.

J.A.K wrote:

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote:

J.A.K wrote: i'm always getting the robbin scouser theme. love it man. keep it comin

I don't know what to say. You don't care anyway

care about what? NOOL? i don't really. NO...i do care.

a lot of people on here are knobs to be honest. but i put up with them. that's why i post. just coz they like NO, doesn't mean they're great. beauts a lot of them. I honestly believe that some people must lead one hell of a sad and lonely life, if they are gettin all worked up over this. FFS get a fuckin grip will yez and break that bleedin bubble that you are all suffocating in.

Most people who like New Order would have spotted that my post was a quote from a New Order song.

However, your comments have been noted.

lol

NOOLigan wrote: lol

You needn't think you can slip subtle Cure band member references in round here matey boy!

oldmonkey wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: lol

You needn't think you can slip subtle Cure band member references in round here matey boy!

what is the cure?

NOOLigan wrote:

oldmonkey wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: lol

You needn't think you can slip subtle Cure band member references in round here matey boy!

what is the cure?

Depends what's wrong with you, Ron... I think 10 Hail Barneys will see you right here...

SHEDi xxx

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote:

J.A.K wrote:

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote:

J.A.K wrote: i'm always getting the robbin scouser theme. love it man. keep it comin

I don't know what to say. You don't care anyway

care about what? NOOL? i don't really. NO...i do care.

a lot of people on here are knobs to be honest. but i put up with them. that's why i post. just coz they like NO, doesn't mean they're great. beauts a lot of them. I honestly believe that some people must lead one hell of a sad and lonely life, if they are gettin all worked up over this. FFS get a fuckin grip will yez and break that bleedin bubble that you are all suffocating in.

Most people who like New Order would have spotted that my post was a quote from a New Order song.

However, your comments have been noted.

cheers. except i don't plan my life around new order (gigs etc, remix shite, podcasts etc), like most of the SUPERFans seems to do. Albums...and that's it.

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote:

J.A.K wrote:

[black]Diamond[/black] wrote:

J.A.K wrote: i'm always getting the robbin scouser theme. love it man. keep it comin

I don't know what to say. You don't care anyway

care about what? NOOL? i don't really. NO...i do care.

a lot of people on here are knobs to be honest. but i put up with them. that's why i post. just coz they like NO, doesn't mean they're great. beauts a lot of them. I honestly believe that some people must lead one hell of a sad and lonely life, if they are gettin all worked up over this. FFS get a fuckin grip will yez and break that bleedin bubble that you are all suffocating in.

Most people who like New Order would have spotted that my post was a quote from a New Order song.

Dizzam Jack

Ding Ding. Round 586

Your always going to get the conflict,as has been mentioned before.Thats not such a bad thing in my view. Its just when people like CM start on about subjects they have no prior knowledge in,that they end up looking like a fuckwitt.Thats their problem,and only highlights THEMSELVES to be tosspots.Lucy Jane should take satisfaction from the fact that most of us can see this,and try not to let it upset her! Unlike Chrissi Marie I have the utmost respect for stay at home Mams,who make a decent job of bringing the young uns up.Its a fucking real test of people's metal raising kids properley.I can't think of a bigger commitment,or tougher more important job...Call me old fashioned but I truley believe a kid needs at least one parent Full-time until that kid is 5 and at school.I know everyone can't afford to do it,but its in the family's best interests,I believe anyway.

When the knobheads cheapen motherhood,they show a complete lack of knowledge.You've already won LJ.So smile:D

Don't give CM the satisfaction of seeing you leave the forum! My thoughts anyway.

SHEDimon wrote:

NOOLigan wrote:

oldmonkey wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: lol

You needn't think you can slip subtle Cure band member references in round here matey boy!

what is the cure?

Depends what's wrong with you, Ron... I think 10 Hail Barneys will see you right here...

SHEDi xxx

i think i'll try that, maybe tomorrow.

c'mon kershie. Which is sadder, all day on here or going to gigs?

and whats the difference between following new order and following a footy team?

Us superfans are prone to breaking easy, thats for sure!

I dont plan my life around New Order, or even Morrissey. Doesnt stop me from going to the gigs though!

Barney Army wrote: c'mon kershie. Which is sadder, all day on here or going to gigs?

and whats the difference between following new order and following a footy team?

only on work time. not weekends etc.

Liverpool till i die. New Order? they'll eventually just retire. (depending on this next album). LFC won't.

Al Jarvis wrote:

J.A.K wrote: except i don't plan my life around new order (gigs etc, remix shite, podcasts etc), like most of the SUPERFans seems to do. Albums...and that's it.

Yeah, think we all know, Kershie. Like you keep telling us repeatedly. You've got a life, etc. NOOL is for sad cnuts with no life, etc.

wasn't naming anyone, but there's defo a few on here like that. never said sad cunts though. or did i? fuck, can't remember now.

J.A.K wrote:

Al Jarvis wrote:

J.A.K wrote: except i don't plan my life around new order (gigs etc, remix shite, podcasts etc), like most of the SUPERFans seems to do. Albums...and that's it.

Yeah, think we all know, Kershie. Like you keep telling us repeatedly. You've got a life, etc. NOOL is for sad cnuts with no life, etc.

wasn't naming anyone, but there's defo a few on here like that. never said sad cunts though. or did i? fuck, can't remember now.

might have done

Barney Army wrote: c'mon kershie. Which is sadder, all day on here or going to gigs?

and whats the difference between following new order and following a footy team?

following anything but your heart is sad, Nick.

We should all follow our hearts.

So Dorathey followed that yellow brick road for fuck all!

Al Jarvis wrote:

Barney Army wrote: c'mon kershie. Which is sadder, all day on here or going to gigs?

and whats the difference between following new order and following a footy team?

Reading between the lines, I think Kershie's just worried CM's gonna be scared away from Liverpool by the Greater Good that's trying to pervade here ...

... er, which means he won't get his legover.

Oh, only in my dreams

a whole 2 pages longer than the ian thread

not on

Al Jarvis wrote:

State of Love and Trust wrote: a whole 2 pages longer than the ian thread

not on

The Shed thread is TWENTY-FIVE pages longer.

Show some respect.

He died for us.

Ian would be spinning in his grave*.

Etc. Etc.

(*)Would he bollocks.

it's difficult for ashes to spin

i have to keep chuckling to meself when i see the title of this thread.

Good points Al.

Ian's probably just amused and flattered that he's remembered at all.Most would be anyhow. Would he be wishing there be a mass grieve for him? Probably not.

lucyjane wrote: I however can't do that especially when it is completely unjustified. I joined NOOL for a laugh, but recent crap has spoilt the fun. So what about you, can you ignore it, or does it make your blood boil?

I have decided to stop posting on NOOL, because I no longer want to be a part of it. Some of you have my email, the others know how to contact me in the future regarding gigs etc where I will be found down the front as usual, near Ness. Byee

Oh no! I don't post enough to get mentally involved in all the crappy stuff, so maybe that's an answer. A lot of people seem to have stopped or cut down on posting for similar reason, so you ain't the only one.

Better make sure you are near me at the gigs then girl!

Ness Order wrote:

lucyjane wrote: I however can't do that especially when it is completely unjustified. I joined NOOL for a laugh, but recent crap has spoilt the fun. So what about you, can you ignore it, or does it make your blood boil?

I have decided to stop posting on NOOL, because I no longer want to be a part of it. Some of you have my email, the others know how to contact me in the future regarding gigs etc where I will be found down the front as usual, near Ness. Byee

Oh no! I don't post enough to get mentally involved in all the crappy stuff, so maybe that's an answer. A lot of people seem to have stopped or cut down on posting for similar reason, so you ain't the only one.

Better make sure you are near me at the gigs then girl!

I find it too hard to keep away from here altogether - so I just ignore the bitchy threads(unless I'm in a shit humour meself) - to be fair, most of the time I don't understand them anyway

Life's too short, & all that . . .

State of Love and Trust wrote:

Nice touch... Surprised Owens didn't get there first...

SHEDi xxx

State of Love and Trust wrote:

oooh i like very emo.

There's a whole list of image macros at encyclopediadramatica.com like that

LJ, if it looks like a bitch, walks like a bitch, talks like a bitch, surely a good old-fashioned bitch slap would be more satisfying than abandoning the field?

Comrade Shampanyov, Gentleman wrote: LJ, if it looks like a bitch, walks like a bitch, talks like a bitch, surely a good old-fashioned bitch slap would be more satisfying than abandoning the field?

I think I left my glove in your apartment from that last time...may I come over and retrieve it? :p

Hey, somebody had to take one for the team

LJ, please don't go.

Sorry to hear that you have been so offended LucyJane.

At least you can hold your head high knowing that you have earned the respect of many people on this board.

The whole problem is that it's easy for people to write things and be complete assholes without having to look you in the face. I believe it's called gutless.

LJ, get your arse back on boards!!!!

Not worth it, yer silly bint!

Yeah come Juicy Lucy!! Yer can't go babe,you're my boogie partner.JT sort her out!

missed most of this because was in a leeds centre experience of an amazing open air editors gig,anyway - i aint seen offence in any certain persons posts.close to the edge some of her posts but do you really want to lose that edge ?? if you were offended lucy thats a shame because of the poeple ive met from here you and jt are amoungt the most normal and lovely. we all post differant,thats whats it about surely.people are getting into a nool bubble and forgetting realility and its good when one of us dares to take a risk and write something then dont back out from pressing summit button.that avatar was the truth ffs. but thats posts,so ok on chatroom in a personal way,if certain people have been verbally abused then thats not on of course and they should be stopped,is this what happened??? if in a post then ok complain and it will be dealt with for sure,but stop ganging up like a fucking school yard crew.stop being so bloody soft!! ffs..ok i am drunk and playing radiohead now but it makes me think that, for the record people like chrissi marri(might not be invovled) stay for me because she takes a risk,mental bitch and all but she's a worthy contributor we really really badly need

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: LJ, please don't go.

You can`t make subtle references to KC in this website.

Be warned.