iPod vs. other mp3 players. which do you prefer?

I have an iRiver 20 GB player and an iPod shuffle. I like my iRiver, but i feel that i'm forever tied to rhapsody as i have to constantly acquire licenses for my player as i use rhapsody, which is in WMA format, whereas on my iPod shuffle i can download mp3s and the music is mine forever. however, i've heard that non-iPod players are better than iPods (customer satisfaction, etc.). what are your takes on the iPod vs. non-iPod debate?

I have an older iPod (one of the 2nd generation, I think), and after a while it started skipping tracks on occasion. By about 3 years old, it got to the point where it skipped so many that it was unusable.

On the bright side, Apple's in-store customer service is pretty good (at least in my experience), and they replaced my broken one with a new one of the same model for practically nothing. So that convinced me to stay with the iPod, even though I'd considered switching.

My boyfriend just got the Nike running shoe thingy for his Nano, and it looks pretty neat, so maybe iPod has the Cool Toy Factor going for it too? :)

I have a half-gig one I grabbed in Tesco for 30 quid. It's sound is lovely ( really impressive stero image surprisingly enough), it can connect to any PC or Mac with no stupid software required, and can be used to hold any kind of data as well as mp3's.

I simply cannot grasp the ipod concept....pay 10 times the money for a deeply restricted machine that's so proprietry it defies belief. It also seems very prone to breaking, and it also seems that you cannot back up your content, so when it does crash you have to pay apple more money (unless of course it CAN backup and the NOOLers reporting song-loss are just monkeys for not actually doing a backup)

I have messed with many different mp3 players, and two things bring me back to the ipod.

1 - Nothing beats iTunes, if you are an organizational freak like myself. I have all 8000 songs classified, rated, and grouped. There is nothing like the smart playlists, that I know of, on any other mp3 player, and that alone is worth it's wieght in gold.

2 - iPod has sooooo many add-ons and gadjets that the others can't even comprehend. A good example is the FM transmitter that attaches to the iPod and uses the iPod's battery (minimal wear on the battery)...no other mp3 player has this and I use it constantly, in my truck, in the house and when I'm out in the field.

The only beef....I wish they could put albums in order of year they came out.

Doctor? wrote:

I simply cannot grasp the ipod concept....pay 10 times the money for a deeply restricted machine that's so proprietry it defies belief. It also seems very prone to breaking, and it also seems that you cannot back up your content, so when it does crash you have to pay apple more money (unless of course it CAN backup and the NOOLers reporting song-loss are just monkeys for not actually doing a backup)

iPods can hold mp3s, it'snot restricted in any way that I have found. No problems in breaking and when it does Apple has been pretty good to my Marines in replacing them....and you can backup the songs, as one of the only isses with the ipod is that you HAVE to leave all your music on your hardrive of your computer. So the only way you would loose all your music is for your ipod and computer to crash at the same time.

JHC

well you could always rename the containing folder with the year and month?

My NO albums are listed as $YEAR_$NAME so they always play in order of release.

This smart playlist thing, is that like the plugin I have for xmms, where one loads a playlist, then the system assigns "weights" to tracks, lower weights fot those you skip and higher for those you repeat....the idea being that it will favour higher weights when the playlist is on random.

Surely the FM transmitter will work with any device possessing a minijack output? (Or have apple actually been so arrogantly retarded that they designed their own headphone output?)

Doctor? wrote: well you could always rename the containing folder with the year and month?

My NO albums are listed as $YEAR_$NAME so they always play in order of release.

This smart playlist thing, is that like the plugin I have for xmms, where one loads a playlist, then the system assigns "weights" to tracks, lower weights fot those you skip and higher for those you repeat....the idea being that it will favour higher weights when the playlist is on random.

Surely the FM transmitter will work with any device possessing a minijack output? (Or have apple actually been so arrogantly retarded that they designed their own headphone output?)

True on the order of release idea as I have thought of doing this as well, but then I couldn't find them in alphabetical order if I searched by album....stupid I know, but I'm an organizational freak.

Smart playlists are different. You set as many standards as you want, and any time you add a song that has that standard it is automatically added to that playlist. Anytime you change an attribute it is automatically added or deleted from the playlist.

The ipod has a remote plug in next to the headphone jack. Other mp3s don't have this remote addition so they can't take advantage of many other offerings, like the FM transmitter.

I have a Sony bean. 1 GB. Filled it up with about 11 NO bootlegs and Some Cities by the Doves. Have yet to purposely download music for it. I convert whatever I want to mp3 for it. Like to get something larger that ran on AAAs for my long ass bike adventures. The Sony is fueled by USB. Supposed 50 battery life between charges. Only went dead once when it was accidentally turned on while in my backpack. Need also to hook it up to an amp and large speakers for a proper bicycle stereo.

Twist, singer of the Blessing Way wrote: I have a Sony bean. 1 GB. Filled it up with about 11 NO bootlegs and Some Cities by the Doves. Have yet to purposely download music for it. I convert whatever I want to mp3 for it. Like to get something larger that ran on AAAs for my long ass bike adventures. The Sony is fueled by USB. Supposed 50 battery life between charges. Only went dead once when it was accidentally turned on while in my backpack. Need also to hook it up to an amp and large speakers for a proper bicycle stereo.

ipod has an added battery pack and compact speakers if so desired.

I've never had an MP3 player, so I can't comment. Interesting to know though that iPod is merely an mp3-player, I thought it was apecial format.

Doctor? wrote: I simply cannot grasp the ipod concept....pay 10 times the money for a deeply restricted machine that's so proprietry it defies belief. It also seems very prone to breaking, and it also seems that you cannot back up your content, so when it does crash you have to pay apple more money (unless of course it CAN backup and the NOOLers reporting song-loss are just monkeys for not actually doing a backup)

Proprietary? I dunno... I have nothing but mp3s on mine. Screw that DRM'd AAC stuff.

As for the backup thing, I don't see how you could lose all your music with your ipod. Everything is synced back to your computer. I've had my iPod stolen before and replacing it was a simple matter of plugging the new one into my computer and reloading everything from it. Nothing lost.

Also came in handy when my laptop was stolen while I was abroad. I used some app i got from the internet to pull all my music off the ipod and back onto the new computer. Backup works both ways. It's great. I never have to worry about losing my music.

you cannot replace the battery in the ipod. ones it runs out that's it, ipod dead. the sony has a replaceable battery. oh & you CAN get the fm trasnmitters for other sorts of mp3 players.

There's no competition, iPod is iPod, the others are only mp3 players.

Love my Creative Zen Micro which holds shit loads of songs. It's got fab battery and i don't have to change the format of songs or pay for them. Anything that's on my laptop goes straight onto my mp3. Awesome.

fuck, I'm still on cassette plazzie walkmans from the market.

i must catch up.

:(

J.A.K wrote: fuck, I'm still on cassette plazzie walkmans from the market.

i must catch up.

:(

oh dear....

girl afraid wrote:

J.A.K wrote: fuck, I'm still on cassette plazzie walkmans from the market.

i must catch up.

:(

oh dear....

I know. its just my Kenwood living room Stereo and the car cd player for me I'm afraid - Afraid.

The Ipod. I've warmed to itunes as an interface too.

I've got myself a 60GB machine, and its working as it should.

my 4g ipod broke after about 5 months and i got a replacement off the shop. In August the replacement broke and Apple wanted £170 to replace it.

So the other week i got a Creative zen vision:m and its alright so far. Holds more songs, does videos, FM radio which can be recorded, and a voice recorder. As long as it doesnt break, i'd say this is better than the ol' ipod

But i do miss using itunes

I am an iPod man.

Never wanted or ever needed any other. I am on my 3rd one though, but my first one was one of the original ones, with real buttons

J.A.K wrote:

girl afraid wrote:

J.A.K wrote: fuck, I'm still on cassette plazzie walkmans from the market.

i must catch up.

:(

oh dear....

I know. its just my Kenwood living room Stereo and the car cd player for me I'm afraid - Afraid.

how's that 8-track holding up for ya?

AgentWood wrote:

J.A.K wrote:

girl afraid wrote:

J.A.K wrote: fuck, I'm still on cassette plazzie walkmans from the market.

i must catch up.

:(

oh dear....

I know. its just my Kenwood living room Stereo and the car cd player for me I'm afraid - Afraid.

how's that 8-track holding up for ya?

I was thinking more likely the gramophone.

Never bought an iPOD or indeed any MP3 player.I always used to drop and break Walkman cassette and CD players so i KNOW i'll drop and break an MP3 player and lose 1,000 songs i've spent ages transferring.

Johnny wrote: Never bought an iPOD or indeed any MP3 player.I always used to drop and break Walkman cassette and CD players so i KNOW i'll drop and break an MP3 player and lose 1,000 songs i've spent ages transferring.

I owned an iPod for about two weeks. All I wanted it for was to go running. It kept locking up on me, so I returned it and got my money back. I've not bought an mp3 player since then. I have a CD player that recognizes mp3 format, though.

I've got a little Creative USB MP3 player. I'd prefer it if it played .wma files, but now I know it doesn't I won't be using that format any more.

It's 128mb, so only holds a couple of lps, but I love it anyway.

If I was getting a higher capacity one, I would get noe that doesn't tie me to a format. Probably a Creative Zen - I like the look of that one.

Ipods can go and stick themselves up their own jacksies. Why artificially limit what you can do with you own music files? It shouldn't be the job of your personal stereo to enforce the copywrite rules on behalf of the record companies

Johnny wrote: Never bought an iPOD or indeed any MP3 player.I always used to drop and break Walkman cassette and CD players so i KNOW i'll drop and break an MP3 player and lose 1,000 songs i've spent ages transferring.

but thats another reason why ipods are great. you have all your tunes stored on your pc in i-tunes and if the worst happened and you broke your ipod and have to get a new one, it would take about 5 mins to put all your music on your new ipod. also i cant see what everyone is talking about itunes limiting your music formats? i-tunes will import any kind of format onto i-tunes

Ipods suck. Too restrictive.

I have a 40GB Creative Nomad Jukebox that holds a crapload of stuff. I upload dvds on to it so when ever we go over to people's places we just transfer and burn in about 10mins and watch concerts and stuff. Easier than hauling around multiple dvd cases etc.

Cheers.

redken wrote:

Johnny wrote: Never bought an iPOD or indeed any MP3 player.I always used to drop and break Walkman cassette and CD players so i KNOW i'll drop and break an MP3 player and lose 1,000 songs i've spent ages transferring.

but thats another reason why ipods are great. you have all your tunes stored on your pc in i-tunes and if the worst happened and you broke your ipod and have to get a new one, it would take about 5 mins to put all your music on your new ipod. also i cant see what everyone is talking about itunes limiting your music formats? i-tunes will import any kind of format onto i-tunes

I agree, when people talk about the "restrictiveness" of ipods they never divulge in what they are talking about. What restrictions? I have yet to meet up with any restrictions.

my main problem is this: i have all wma files from rhapsody on my iRiver. this means i have to go back in every few weeks and reacquire my licences, which is a pain in the ass. is there any way to transfer the songs i already have on my iRiver into mp3s without starting all over again?

With regards to "restrictions" I should have included itunes in that only it only allows downloads in Apple formated files that requires further decoding/encoding etc. Why the hassle? And then I'm not entirely sure about this, but when you transfer songs from your ipod to your PC, are they still in AAC format even if they were originally mp3 for example? Also, don't you need itunes for your ipod right but most other mp3 players are all plug-and play with most media players.

What is their lossless files format like, any good? In fact, they should never have created any file type that isn't lossless.

I bought this little fella last June and I'm happy with it

512 Mb, more than enough for me...

AgentWood wrote: my main problem is this: i have all wma files from rhapsody on my iRiver. this means i have to go back in every few weeks and reacquire my licences, which is a pain in the ass. is there any way to transfer the songs i already have on my iRiver into mp3s without starting all over again?

Can't you just download software to convert WMAs into mp3s?

Let's do some thread-hijacking, shall we? What's on your MP3 player? Currently, I have:

The Sounds- Dying to say this to you Junior Boys- So this is goodbye The Cure- Seventeen seconds She wants revenge- She wants revenge Cabaret Voltaire- The crackdown New Order- Salvation theme, Sputnick, Skullcrusher

As you see, apart from the Order, I prefer to listen to whole albums. And you?

Love my 60 GB Ipod-however is there a way I could upload its contents to my computer if I needed to do that?

I love my Sony MiniDisc HiMD recorder. It records/plays 1GB discs and it can also record 90 minutes of pure digital pcm stereo as well as MP3/AAC/WMA etc. Most of New Order studio recordings fits on 1 disc. And it's ez to get in a concert with a small stereo mic. 45 hours battery time too. And software to transfer as fast as ipod from computer. And under $200.00....... cheers paolo

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

AgentWood wrote: my main problem is this: i have all wma files from rhapsody on my iRiver. this means i have to go back in every few weeks and reacquire my licences, which is a pain in the ass. is there any way to transfer the songs i already have on my iRiver into mp3s without starting all over again?

Can't you just download software to convert WMAs into mp3s?

but what if it's already on the mp3 player? i found software that converts it from the computer to mp3, but not my songs that are already on the iRiver to mp3.

Spotnick wrote:

AgentWood wrote: my main problem is this: i have all wma files from rhapsody on my iRiver. this means i have to go back in every few weeks and reacquire my licences, which is a pain in the ass. is there any way to transfer the songs i already have on my iRiver into mp3s without starting all over again?

If you have them on your hard disk, you can do that.. and there are utilities to remove the license in the files actually!

can i get them back from my iRiver to my hard disk? they're not there anymore. and then reupload them to the mp3 player?

Surely any mp3 player simple connects as USB mass storage? Once you plug it in, DOS or Linux sees it as a removable hard drive? Just drag the files over to your PC's HD, or convert them in place.

As for Ipod restrictions.....you cannot back your data up to CD/DVD apparently.....so you're fucked if your HD fails. There are other issues with it as well. Not least that it uses proprietry batteries which limit it's life deliberately.

basically, any non-standards compliant device is bad.

Unless mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/mp3 works it has cancer as far as I am concerned ;)

Can any of them play FLAC BTW?

I have a Sandisk Sansa m250 player that I bought for when I go walking/jogging and for when I'm doing yard work.

It just plugs into the USB port on the computer and then I just drag and drop the mp3 files on to it. I can also pull off files from it the same way and use it as a portable storage device. So far battery life seems pretty good and I like that it has a EQ and FM tuner. The speakers that come with it are poor and the battery door looks weak, but so far I'm impressed with it.

Psy

Doctor? wrote: Surely any mp3 player simple connects as USB mass storage? Once you plug it in, DOS or Linux sees it as a removable hard drive? Just drag the files over to your PC's HD, or convert them in place.

As for Ipod restrictions.....you cannot back your data up to CD/DVD apparently.....so you're fucked if your HD fails. There are other issues with it as well. Not least that it uses proprietry batteries which limit it's life deliberately.

basically, any non-standards compliant device is bad.

Unless mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/mp3 works it has cancer as far as I am concerned ;)

Can any of them play FLAC BTW?

You can record everything to cd if you want? Not understanding your issue? The batteries can be replaced, but they do cost about $25 and either you can try to do it yourself (many instructions on the web) or you can take it an Apple store and they charge you $100 (which includes the battery).

You sure? I heard you cannot burn to CD or DVD.

Batteries for other mp3 player cost 50cents and require the opening of a trapdoor.

I have also hear that you only RENT i-tunes music, and if you forget to pay, all your tunes turn to unplayable shite.....in Theory one album could cost you thousands of dollars to maintain a working copy of.

Doctor? wrote:

I have also hear that you only RENT i-tunes music, and if you forget to pay, all your tunes turn to unplayable shite.....in Theory one album could cost you thousands of dollars to maintain a working copy of.

that's how it is with rhapsody, napster, etc. i don't know if iTunes is write-protected or not.

and i still don't know how to turn my iRiver music to mp3 format. :(

OK, how does it connect to the PC? Does it appear as a hard drive?

Do you use some proprietry application (and driver) to make the link between them? If so, have tou tried culling it? Windows explorer will not show you the drive if it is open when the drive connects, you must connect it, wait for the beep, then open winexplorer.

Doctor? wrote: OK, how does it connect to the PC? Does it appear as a hard drive?

Do you use some proprietry application (and driver) to make the link between them? If so, have tou tried culling it? Windows explorer will not show you the drive if it is open when the drive connects, you must connect it, wait for the beep, then open winexplorer.

could you repeat this in english please? :D

i plug it in to my USB drive if that counts.

Did you have to install anything to make it work?

Once attached, if you double click on "My Computer" do you suspiciously have an extra drifve listed?

What DO you do to get tracks on it?

Doctor? wrote: Did you have to install anything to make it work?

Once attached, if you double click on "My Computer" do you suspiciously have an extra drifve listed?

What DO you do to get tracks on it?

a) i don't have to install anything to make it work

b) if i click on my computer i do get an extra drive listed (called iRiver H10)

c) i use rhapsody to get tracks on the player (but i use limewire for my iPod shuffle). however, i have 4000 songs on my iRiver and i don't want to get rid of them all and start over again!

Ok, treat them like any other file.

Open two windows, one on the iriver drive and one on the HD folder you want to move them to. Copy the files accross, and then use any of the freeware format convetors you can find online to change them to mp3 and then move them back. Of course you could use the opportunity to back them up to CD/DVD as mp3 while you are at it.

Doctor? wrote: Ok, treat them like any other file.

Open two windows, one on the iriver drive and one on the HD folder you want to move them to. Copy the files accross, and then use any of the freeware format convetors you can find online to change them to mp3 and then move them back. Of course you could use the opportunity to back them up to CD/DVD as mp3 while you are at it.

i'm trying to open the 'media' file on the H10 drive, but it's taking AGES! and it won't just copy into the music folder by itself.

Yeah it can take a hell of a long time to get a directory listing over USB you see, expecially if you have 000's of files. You're on the right track though. Do you have any "blinkenlichten" to tell you if anything is actually happening accross your USB connection?

Doctor? wrote: Yeah it can take a hell of a long time to get a directory listing over USB you see, expecially if you have 000's of files. You're on the right track though. Do you have any "blinkenlichten" to tell you if anything is actually happening accross your USB connection?

what's that fahrfegnugen thing? and then once i move them to the music file what do i do? the songs still aren't on my iRiver.

Blinking lights ;)

( USB hub, or a taskbar thingy, anything that winks to say there is something actually happening on the USB bus.....ie if something IS happening, sit tight and wait for the files to appear, if not, I dunno, it SHOULD work.)

Comes from this, alledgedly printed on the wall of a computer room of a US or UK company with a German division. There is also a German response somewhere as well.

ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy snappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gwerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das rubbernecken sictseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten.
-- anonymous

Doctor? wrote: Blinking lights ;)

( USB hub, or a taskbar thingy, anything that winks to say there is something actually happening on the USB bus.....ie if something IS happening, sit tight and wait for the files to appear, if not, I dunno, it SHOULD work.)

Comes from this, alledgedly printed on the wall of a computer room of a US or UK company with a German division. There is also a German response somewhere as well.

ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy snappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gwerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das rubbernecken sictseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten.
-- anonymous

no blinking lights, but my iRiver does say 'USB connected.'

Hmmmm Sit tight, walk away, sleep, do something else, and see if after AGES you get the file list up.

Windows will freak out and make a clonk after a minute or two if nothing is happening.

Doctor? wrote: Hmmmm Sit tight, walk away, sleep, do something else, and see if after AGES you get the file list up.

Windows will freak out and make a clonk after a minute or two if nothing is happening.

grr. i think i might just give up for now and try again tomorrow. it's taking too long and i don't have the patience for this thing. grrrr.

That's why I said walk away and let it get on with it ;)

You think that's slow? Wait til you try and dump the whole contents of said folder to you HD....yawn ;)

Good luck.

but once i get it onto my hard drive, then what do i do? how do i transfer the songs back onto my iRiver if they're already there?

AgentWood wrote: but once i get it onto my hard drive, then what do i do? how do i transfer the songs back onto my iRiver if they're already there?

Delete the old ones first.

As for conversion ( what was it again, wma to mp3?) a quick googling for "freeware audio convertor" should do the trick. I may even have something at home I can mail you.

Doctor? wrote:

AgentWood wrote: but once i get it onto my hard drive, then what do i do? how do i transfer the songs back onto my iRiver if they're already there?

Delete the old ones first.

As for conversion ( what was it again, wma to mp3?) a quick googling for "freeware audio convertor" should do the trick. I may even have something at home I can mail you.

i've found a few online, but i'm not sure how to get the songs back onto my iRiver. windows media player, i presume?

Nope, same way you got them off it, just trail them accross to the "drive" it appears as.

Note on mp3 bitrates......

Don't bother setting the output bitrate in any convertor to higher than the source's bitrate was, it's a waste of disc space. 128 is acceptable, 160 is better, 192 is good, 320 is daft beyond compare unless you are converting from waves.

erm. i don't know how to get them off! don't i have to do it through rhapsody?

AgentWood wrote: erm. i don't know how to get them off! don't i have to do it through rhapsody?

Hopefully you just treat them like any other file, select 'em on the iriver and delete them. Then you can either slide the new ones on that way, or do them with riviera.

A simple rule is....if it CAN be done with the standard windows tools, do it that way.

If it connects as a USB drive, then really all normal file operations should be possible on it's contents. The only potential hiccup on that would be if riviera encrypted them as it transferred them, but as well as being annoying and nasty that would be pointless.

BTW, for things like this,THIS is very useful as it has 2 panes open at all times, you can have the iriver in one and (for example) D:\savemytunesass\ in the other. It's a program I simply cannot do without, I never use windows explorer at home, and get all confused and angry in work or at friend's houses when I do have to use it :D

so i have to delete and replace 4000 songs one by one? keeping rhapsody is looking like less of a hassle...

How about this?

http://www.iriver.com/html/support/faq/sufq_view.asp?searchProductIdx=&searchString=&page=9&idx=204&tmpSearchProductIdx=&tmpSearchString=

EdelBrock wrote: How about this?

http://www.iriver.com/html/support/faq/sufq_view.asp?searchProductIdx=&searchString=&page=9&idx=204&tmpSearchProductIdx=&tmpSearchString=

that might as well be in a foreign language.

anyway, iRiver is not allowed to tell customers how to change from WMA to MP3.

AgentWood wrote: so i have to delete and replace 4000 songs one by one? keeping rhapsody is looking like less of a hassle...

LOL.....you don't have to do it by hand Christy ;)

Actually, uou can do them "in place" ie, navigate to the iriver drive from your convertor, set up the conversion options, and set it to delete the originals....all done automagically behind the scenes.

and, pray tell, what is the 'convertor'? remember, you're talking to someone who knows NOTHING about this sort of thing!

AgentWood wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: How about this?

http://www.iriver.com/html/support/faq/sufq_view.asp?searchProductIdx=&searchString=&page=9&idx=204&tmpSearchProductIdx=&tmpSearchString=

that might as well be in a foreign language.

anyway, iRiver is not allowed to tell customers how to change from WMA to MP3.

That was s possiblesolution so that you could see your iRiver as a harddrive...possibly a BIOS setting. If you can get it to show up as a harddrive in My Computer, your life will probably be easier. But I'll shut up for now as two people throwing out different things is likely to only confuse you. It's all yours Doc.

right. i'm going to bed. i have no idea what i'm doing, but i'll deal with this tomorrow. if i can't figure it out then i'll just give up and stick with the WMA write-protected rhapsody crap.

AgentWood wrote: and, pray tell, what is the 'convertor'? remember, you're talking to someone who knows NOTHING about this sort of thing!

I mean the program that converts the formats. Most such programs offer such facilities as "delete original" and "write converted file to source folder".

(errrm it can PLAY mp3 can't it?)

...and another thing.

If you MUST have an IPod, get some new earphones.

Them pods are an advert for IMuggers.

Diamond White wrote: ...and another thing.

If you MUST have an IPod, get some new earphones.

Them pods are an advert for IMuggers.

I hear that the new range that was launched yesterday has improved phones bundled.

Lovely looking new nanos launched, and a nice new version of Itunes, which runs a lot nicer. The coming zune obviously moved apple to do something.

I love anything with brushed aluminium.

J.A.K wrote: fuck, I'm still on cassette plazzie walkmans from the market.

i must catch up.

:(

Seconded. But as I do not listen to it anymore, I do not feel the need to catch up...

Sony`s Like.No.Other 8gb players is excellent,fuck that apple shite!

Spotnick wrote:

I'm checking those new noise reduction earphones from Sony ;)

Get them! They're good! I got the big mothers for when travelling on a plane (while avoiding snakes). They work most excellently!

ok, steve. i give up. after 11 hours of waiting for my music to come up on my H10 folder i got sick of waiting and unplugged the thing. i'll just stick with the annoying, but (as it seems) necessary, WMA format.

AgentWood wrote: ok, steve. i give up. after 11 hours of waiting for my music to come up on my H10 folder i got sick of waiting and unplugged the thing. i'll just stick with the annoying, but (as it seems) necessary, WMA format.

Yup mate, that pretty much equates to "boned" I'm afraid. Very odd I must admit.

I'm getting the new green iPod nano for my birthday. The thing that I want to know is, aside from music, what kind of files can you save or back up on it. I know that it can handle .txt files.

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: I'm getting the new green iPod nano for my birthday. The thing that I want to know is, aside from music, what kind of files can you save or back up on it. I know that it can handle .txt files.

Don't think it can handle all your porn, but you might be able to tote around a few favorites

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: I'm getting the new green iPod nano for my birthday. The thing that I want to know is, aside from music, what kind of files can you save or back up on it. I know that it can handle .txt files.

should be able to dump any old crap on it ,at least for storage/backup. Unles it's restricted. Most of the el-cheapo mp3 players u get with USB onboard are just flash drives with an OS (probably linux or free-bsd) and an mp3 decoder....you can do what you like with them, even install a full PC operating system on the, if you happen to have a motherboard that can boot from USB, and about a week to spare.

But there's fuck all that can handle all YOUR porn cozzie.

Guys, I don't have porn. How in the world did that start? I can't wait till I get my green iPod Nano, that's all I care about for this thread.

Doctor? wrote:

Comes from this, alledgedly printed on the wall of a computer room of a US or UK company with a German division. There is also a German response somewhere as well.

ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy snappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gwerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das rubbernecken sictseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten.
-- anonymous

Heh... I've got this hanging over my test machines in my office at work.

I prefer vinyl, followed by CDs, then cassette tapes.

Ahhhh, but do your other mp3 players do this?

http://www.apple.com/ipod/nike/

EdelBrock wrote: Ahhhh, but do your other mp3 players do this?

http://www.apple.com/ipod/nike/

Looks like a load of bollox to me!

Just downloaded the new iTunes 7.0 and have to say it's pretty cool. Can go through my files by album art now, kind of like you would with cds. Haven't put it on my ipod yet to see if it changed it there....but so far, a worthwhile upgrade.

EdelBrock wrote: Ahhhh, but do your other mp3 players do this?

http://www.apple.com/ipod/nike/

does anyone actually want them to?

I got my green iPod nano a couple of days ago. It's sweet!

sandisk 512 Mb cost me 40$ last winter. holds 100 songs or so of 192 khz mp3's. bought new ear phones. small so i can work out with it. uses AAA batteries which i like. simple windows scripts synch up. doubles as a way to move sensitive data at work.