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Quebec is doing its part, we only have hydro-electricity.
So let me pollute in peace 
Seriously, for us, using compact neon lightbulbs only means we can sell more energy to the US, hence help discrease of pollution 
On the other hand, Alberta is polluting like a monster to convert tar sands into oil for our US neighbours... 
I do my bit........I use a teabag for two cups!
Madonna plays a mean guitar live on I LOVE NEW YORK! Before she became a megastar she used to play drums an' all.
Seriously though did LIVE EARTH get anywhere in it's aim,or did it do as much as LIVE 8?
Spotnick wrote: Quebec is doing its part, we only have hydro-electricity.
So let me pollute in peace
Seriously, for us, using compact neon lightbulbs only means we can sell more energy to the US, hence help discrease of pollution
On the other hand, Alberta is polluting like a monster to convert tar sands into oil for our US neighbours...
ORRRRR you could say they are cleaning up natural pollution?
After all, they sent loads of guys to Iraq to clean up the oil soaked sand cos it was "polluted", so surely taking the oil out and putting the sand back is good?
Doctor? wrote:
Spotnick wrote: Quebec is doing its part, we only have hydro-electricity.
So let me pollute in peace
Seriously, for us, using compact neon lightbulbs only means we can sell more energy to the US, hence help discrease of pollution
On the other hand, Alberta is polluting like a monster to convert tar sands into oil for our US neighbours...
ORRRRR you could say they are cleaning up natural pollution?
After all, they sent loads of guys to Iraq to clean up the oil soaked sand cos it was "polluted", so surely taking the oil out and putting the sand back is good?
We are all messed up.
Doctor? wrote:
Spotnick wrote: Quebec is doing its part, we only have hydro-electricity.
So let me pollute in peace
Seriously, for us, using compact neon lightbulbs only means we can sell more energy to the US, hence help discrease of pollution
On the other hand, Alberta is polluting like a monster to convert tar sands into oil for our US neighbours...
ORRRRR you could say they are cleaning up natural pollution?
After all, they sent loads of guys to Iraq to clean up the oil soaked sand cos it was "polluted", so surely taking the oil out and putting the sand back is good?
I'm an engineer and even I can't understand the whole oil seperation process to create artificial oil from tar sands, but all I know is that it takes a lot of energy and water, plus returns very VERY toxic water and a lot of carbon dioxyde in the atmosphere.
So nothing good.. but US finds Canada more "stable" than the middle east and Venezuela as an oil provider.... so...! Apparently Alberta has a tar sand resource big as the whole state of Florida, and now that it's becoming affordable... they are pumping.
Meanwhile, though we are producing oil.. we're buying from the outside for our domestic needs... go figure. 
Spotnick wrote: Madonna playing guitar?
Was that real?
BTW, for a 40 something, you gotta give it to her, she's pretty much in shape... that is a lot more than Barney dancing.
Absolutely real. I could pick out the bits she was playing pretty clearly... low in the mix.
Quite enjoyed listening to most of it through the day and couldn't help getting a chuckle out of Spinal Tap and the arsenal of bass players they brought out to play along. 
I'm sure there are people somewhere who didn't get the joke...
Bentley wrote:
Quite enjoyed listening to most of it through the day and couldn't help getting a chuckle out of Spinal Tap and the arsenal of bass players they brought out to play along.
Am I the only one who thinks hiring a spoof band like Spinal Tap for a benefit concert isn't the best way to prove the legitimacy of your cause?
His Holiness, The Pope wrote:
Bentley wrote:
Quite enjoyed listening to most of it through the day and couldn't help getting a chuckle out of Spinal Tap and the arsenal of bass players they brought out to play along.
Am I the only one who thinks hiring a spoof band like Spinal Tap for a benefit concert isn't the best way to prove the legitimacy of your cause?
Not sure what the bottom line is on "hiring" for a benefit concert but more than likely they volunteered rather than being called up wouldn't you think?
Spotnick wrote:
Doctor? wrote:
Spotnick wrote: Quebec is doing its part, we only have hydro-electricity.
So let me pollute in peace
Seriously, for us, using compact neon lightbulbs only means we can sell more energy to the US, hence help discrease of pollution
On the other hand, Alberta is polluting like a monster to convert tar sands into oil for our US neighbours...
ORRRRR you could say they are cleaning up natural pollution?
After all, they sent loads of guys to Iraq to clean up the oil soaked sand cos it was "polluted", so surely taking the oil out and putting the sand back is good?
I'm an engineer and even I can't understand the whole oil seperation process to create artificial oil from tar sands, but all I know is that it takes a lot of energy and water, plus returns very VERY toxic water and a lot of carbon dioxyde in the atmosphere.
So nothing good.. but US finds Canada more "stable" than the middle east and Venezuela as an oil provider.... so...! Apparently Alberta has a tar sand resource big as the whole state of Florida, and now that it's becoming affordable... they are pumping.
Meanwhile, though we are producing oil.. we're buying from the outside for our domestic needs... go figure.
Seen an excellent documentary on it on Discovery. The process essentially starts like open cast mining, the trucks then dump it into a "production line" type affair, as far as I can tell getting the oil out involves water to separate it and then something akin to the usual factionating process to get the right grades of oil.
Apparently the condition of their activities is that they must return the land to it's original condition. Can't remember the company that pioneered it, but as soon as they proved it could work, Shell started to snipe in.
the King does his bit
I cut the plastic windows out of envelopes before putting the paper envelope in the blue recycle bin.
time consuming? somewhat.
satisfying? Oh Yes!!!
start small i say. start with your window lopes.
Do they actual recycle all the stuff you collect anyway? Who knows what they do with it after they empty the trash bins? People mix in so much bad stuff in also. Sure, much of it gets recycyled by some definition but maybe we are wasting millions of barrels of oil transporting garbage needlessly, just so we can pretend we are doing the right think. Heck, some Tony Soprano type is prolly taking money to recycle something and dumping it all in some pond in some urban blight area.
People are such hypocrites thou... I've seen hippy types too lazy to even recycle cans and beer bottles ("like i have time to worry about that, man") My 89yo Grandma is the best recycler, she wants nothing to go to waste... she can't stand our throw-away culture. She wants at least three different people to read a magazine, then make sure it is recycled. I'm sure Sting is making sure he has low impact on our environment... actually Sting seems like kinda an egotistic dick the last 25 years but somehow still looks the same.
Well... you know it's actually cheaper to buy some products than to repair them.
For example, a PRINTER is cheaper if you buy it instead of changing its defective pieces... it's a non-sense, but it is.
The list can go on...
How many people repair their toaster instead of buying a new one? 
Things don't even need to be broken - I found out yesterday that it was cheaper for me to buy a new strimmer than it was to replace the cord in the one I already had.
So is anybody here actually more climate aware because of Live Earth? Just what did it achieve?
NOOLigan wrote: So is anybody here actually more climate aware because of Live Earth? Just what did it achieve?
It will never achieve anything...less with Xuxa in Rìo and Shakira in Hamburg
NOOLigan wrote: So is anybody here actually more climate aware because of Live Earth? Just what did it achieve?
i know to change my light bulbs to more efficient ones now.
NOOLigan wrote: So is anybody here actually more climate aware because of Live Earth? Just what did it achieve?
It's a great swindle anyway. We can't stop it and it's not our fault alone. There was always changes in climate and stuff for billions of years. And no one produces more CO2 than the ocean alone. So pump out the water and we're save . I think it's more than time for the humans to die out anyway. So stop collecting money for nothing.
But anyway it is not wrong to keep up ecologically friendly living. And may it be just to tell your grand-grand children, that you are not guilty because you alyways sorted your waste.
Bere wrote:
NOOLigan wrote: So is anybody here actually more climate aware because of Live Earth? Just what did it achieve?
It's a great swindle anyway. We can't stop it and it's not our fault alone. There was always changes in climate and stuff for billions of years. And no one produces more CO2 than the ocean alone. So pump out the water and we're save
Hum. I always thought that oceans were supposed to be carbon sinks.
Well this sort of is your field.
Spotnick wrote:
Doctor? wrote:
Spotnick wrote: Quebec is doing its part, we only have hydro-electricity.
So let me pollute in peace
Seriously, for us, using compact neon lightbulbs only means we can sell more energy to the US, hence help discrease of pollution
On the other hand, Alberta is polluting like a monster to convert tar sands into oil for our US neighbours...
ORRRRR you could say they are cleaning up natural pollution?
After all, they sent loads of guys to Iraq to clean up the oil soaked sand cos it was "polluted", so surely taking the oil out and putting the sand back is good?
I'm an engineer and even I can't understand the whole oil seperation process to create artificial oil from tar sands, but all I know is that it takes a lot of energy and water, plus returns very VERY toxic water and a lot of carbon dioxyde in the atmosphere.
So nothing good.. but US finds Canada more "stable" than the middle east and Venezuela as an oil provider.... so...! Apparently Alberta has a tar sand resource big as the whole state of Florida, and now that it's becoming affordable... they are pumping.
Meanwhile, though we are producing oil.. we're buying from the outside for our domestic needs... go figure.
Why can't Canada import oil and gas from Russia over the pole? It's cheaper and closer. Pipes from Vorkuta and Tymen provide entire Europe with gas. Soon the whole Artic will become a huge pond and people will surf from Greenland coast to Baffin Land to Novaya Zemlya.
this live aid lark is basically a lodabollocks.
yes - we all wanna do the right thing. but getting bands on to remind us is toss. we already know.
i just wish some people in liverpool wouldn't throw away their crisp packest. its starts there. think about it.
We have just been told that us here in Canberra due to our higher income have an 18% per capita greater environmental impact than other Australians.
The interesting thing is that our energy and water consumption in the home and petrol constitute only about a third of our impact.
The rest is made up of the goods and food we buy, as they all require energy and water to manufacture.
Next those environmentalists will stop me from having a nice meal.
NOOLigan wrote: We have just been told that us here in Canberra due to our higher income have an 18% per capita greater environmental impact than other Australians.
The interesting thing is that our energy and water consumption in the home and petrol constitute only about a third of our impact.
The rest is made up of the goods and food we buy, as they all require energy and water to manufacture.
Next those environmentalists will stop me from having a nice meal.
CLASS WAR!!
King John Honest John wrote: this live iad ;ark is basically a lodabollocks.
yes - we al wanna do th e right thing. but getting bands on to remind us is toss. we already know.
i just wish some people in liverpool woldnt throw away theie crisp packest. its starts there. thibk about iy
brewing and canning of beer uses up carbon too 
In the concert they had ads to tell you how to make a "difference".
Such as, buy your CDs online, you will save the oil used by the truck that carries them.
Don't know about you, but I like to actually HAVE something in my hands when I buy something.. Make them lossless and without any piracy protection and I might do it, but I'd miss the art.
NOOLigan wrote: So is anybody here actually more climate aware because of Live Earth? Just what did it achieve?
Nope... I rely entirely on legislation to make that.
Give the car manufacturer up to 2020 to remove completely gaz from car, and they will make it... they actually did already with the EV-1, but they dropped the project completely.
I fear that until there is oil on our planet, the lobbies will make it work.
Governments should finance hybrid cars more than they do... it's a first step.
It's not normal it costs you more to buy those type of car, and that they have higher interest rate than other cars. I believe this is the way to go since it allows you to make long distances when you need it.
All trucks should be Hybrid, completely...
But I can dream... won't happen in our lifetime.
His Holiness, The Pope wrote:
NOOLigan wrote: We have just been told that us here in Canberra due to our higher income have an 18% per capita greater environmental impact than other Australians.
The interesting thing is that our energy and water consumption in the home and petrol constitute only about a third of our impact.
The rest is made up of the goods and food we buy, as they all require energy and water to manufacture.
Next those environmentalists will stop me from having a nice meal.
CLASS WAR!!
I support the idea of people's meal.
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His Holiness, The Pope wrote:
NOOLigan wrote: We have just been told that us here in Canberra due to our higher income have an 18% per capita greater environmental impact than other Australians.
The interesting thing is that our energy and water consumption in the home and petrol constitute only about a third of our impact.
The rest is made up of the goods and food we buy, as they all require energy and water to manufacture.
Next those environmentalists will stop me from having a nice meal.
CLASS WAR!!
I support the idea of people's meal.
Go back to Russia you Commie. ;)
Doctor? wrote:
Spotnick wrote: Quebec is doing its part, we only have hydro-electricity.
So let me pollute in peace
Seriously, for us, using compact neon lightbulbs only means we can sell more energy to the US, hence help discrease of pollution
On the other hand, Alberta is polluting like a monster to convert tar sands into oil for our US neighbours...
Seen an excellent documentary on it on Discovery. Apparently the condition of their activities is that they must return the land to it's original condition. Can't remember the company that pioneered it, but as soon as they proved it could work, Shell started to snipe in.
If arsed Wiki Tar sands and- or Suncorp, Syncrude, Syneco and the Athabasca region NE Alberta and Saskatchewan area. Incredible stuff really. For refining. The thing is Steam Extraction was found to be effective back in 1979 and it's only recent that Vapour Extraction is getting more of a nod and the attention.
On Live Aid. Great Day out, nice intentions. Can't see 
it raising lotsa awareness. Hope it is the annual- yearly Diversion 
Just look at those shoes! and 
nice. LA TimesPics. taken from this site. or Media Focus. Unfortunately seems very little to do w/ the average consumer- even if X 1,000 light bulbs. It's the Corporations' and Major Business' job there. The building materials we're using in Construction sites deserve the closer look. Do they Bio- degrade once we're through or just add to the mountains of Concrete an Electronic refuse.
