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Fcuk me, those boys take a LOT of drugs don't they! :lol:

I've never watched it before, might have to tune in!

One of the redtops is calling the race "evil" this morning! Bless.

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Hardcore indeed, the last thing you want to do after a heavy night is bike it to the shops, nevermind fookin hills and mountains.

Mad Burgers.

I still wouldnae watch it though.

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Good ol' Landis is from the city I live. They had a city celebration ready for him, then he popped a day before it. Celebration was canceled. Couldn't help but feel a bit sorry for the parents, you know they must have gone through some crap over this.

So it looks like the Frenchies might have a chance this year:laugh:

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Soon to be renamed Tour De Farce.

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isaac wrote: Soon to be renamed Tour De Farce.

Beat me to it.

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I think it's great. Whoever does the most drugs wins!

We should do that round here!!

Haven't they still not got a champion for last year or summat because the top three riders were all disqualifed?!

Those Kraftwerk boys were onto something - I knew there was more to it all than just cycling and shaving yer legs! :eek3:

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never watched it either. must be a french thing. even more boring than F1.

hills!!! fuck all that pedalling.

Sham!!! just like F1. Cheats!!!

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A total waste of good drugs on a pack of tight-panted maniacs,perhaps... May the best drugs win,natch...

Sounds harsh,but banning cycling is the only way to go..

Do we really want future smack addicts blaming the bike.." I started on a Raleigh Racer,and I was double dropping 12 E's and 16 g's of toot a day thereafter..

Nip this in the bud,and put an end to ridiculous headwear at the same time.Seems reasonable.

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That's why I look so good in me cycling shorts - all the gear's stashed down the front :thumb:

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I won't try to explain the sport, or try to condem or justify the doping. Unless you've cycled 150 miles in a day, or up a mountain, or done 60mph back down the other side on 23mm tyres, you just won't get it. :shrug:

Suffice to say, the doping in cycling is nothing new. English rider Tom Simpson died half way up Mont Ventoux in 1967 on a cocktail of Congac and amphetamines.

And doping in many other sports is rife but swept under the carpet. :\ohwell:

You're right about the headgear, Boaty, ban the daft things :nod:

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I cycled into town on my lunchbreak today.Wanted to catch the Farmers market.

Er yeah , tour de france.. I'll stick on the kraftwerk song in their honour:clap:

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MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote: I won't try to explain the sport, or try to condem or justify the doping. Unless you've cycled 150 miles in a day, or up a mountain, or done 60mph back down the other side on 23mm tyres, you just won't get it. :shrug:

I don't know, I've done itbefore, but never really appealed to me. Now mountian biking, there's a better sport.

Every other summer I go up to Mammoth, a ski resort in CA. They open the ski liftsto mountian bikers....ALOT of fun. Though I did make the mistake of riding the Kamakazee not thinking properly.....3.2 miles at an unbelievable grade straight down. I started out pedaling (stupid idea!) at the end I was going 68 mph, on a mountian bike...brakes and steering were ineffective, so I just hung on for dear life, screaming at everyone to get out ofmy way. Blew through 1/4 mile of woodchip before I stopped........needless to say I fell off the bike and lay there, as it really scared me s**tless. But it sure was fun:thumb:

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MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote: I won't try to explain the sport, or try to condem or justify the doping. Unless you've cycled 150 miles in a day, or up a mountain, or done 60mph back down the other side on 23mm tyres, you just won't get it. :shrug:

Suffice to say, the doping in cycling is nothing new. English rider Tom Simpson died half way up Mont Ventoux in 1967 on a cocktail of Congac and amphetamines.

And doping in many other sports is rife but swept under the carpet. :\ohwell:

You're right about the headgear, Boaty, ban the daft things :nod:

right on all counts - TBH i'd probably like something mind-altering (as opposed to performance enhancing) to help me cope with the downhill speed - i remember coming out of cloud cover, into heavy rain, fairly deep darkness, down a steep hill off the Wicklow mountains - then i saw a Bus parked just ahead . . . those shorts ended in the bin anyway. Biggest climb you can cycle in Ireland is around 300m - mountain stages in leTour normally include 3-5 climbs of around 1km (thats height climbed, not distance!).

Its hardly surprising that doping is rife in such a demanding sport - but the authorities ARE TRYING to clean it up.

I hate the headgear too - bloody uncomfortable crap - i've never had one of those lids, but I suppose i'll have to get one soon, traffic here these days is so bad (or the drivers are so uncaring / careless).

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EdelBrock wrote: Good ol' Landis is from the city I live. They had a city celebration ready for him, then he popped a day before it. Celebration was canceled. Couldn't help but feel a bit sorry for the parents, you know they must have gone through some crap over this.

So it looks like the Frenchies might have a chance this year:laugh:

:laugh: No chance. 22 years without a win :laugh: :laugh: Ireland have won it more recently. :laugh:

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i need E just to commute to work.:eek:

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i get the feeling that the french are sabotaging the riders outside of their country. They are desperate for a french winner.

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MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: Good ol' Landis is from the city I live. They had a city celebration ready for him, then he popped a day before it. Celebration was canceled. Couldn't help but feel a bit sorry for the parents, you know they must have gone through some crap over this.

So it looks like the Frenchies might have a chance this year:laugh:

:laugh: No chance. 22 years without a win :laugh: :laugh: Ireland have won it more recently. :laugh:

1987 - Stefan DeRoiste - OK Stephen Roche then - still my fave sporting moment - very possibly the last CLEAN winner too (although there has been some mud flung towards him too)

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: Good ol' Landis is from the city I live. They had a city celebration ready for him, then he popped a day before it. Celebration was canceled. Couldn't help but feel a bit sorry for the parents, you know they must have gone through some crap over this.

So it looks like the Frenchies might have a chance this year:laugh:

:laugh: No chance. 22 years without a win :laugh: :laugh: Ireland have won it more recently. :laugh:

1987 - Stefan DeRoiste - OK Stephen Roche then - still my fave sporting moment - very possibly the last CLEAN winner too (although there has been some mud flung towards him too)

and what was Lance Armstrong? He never tested positive, although alot of accusations were thrown around by jealous people.

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Lord Summerhouse wrote: I cycled into town on my lunchbreak today. Wanted to catch the Farmers market.

now theres a turnip for the books. :p

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EdelBrock wrote:

CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: Good ol' Landis is from the city I live. They had a city celebration ready for him, then he popped a day before it. Celebration was canceled. Couldn't help but feel a bit sorry for the parents, you know they must have gone through some crap over this.

So it looks like the Frenchies might have a chance this year:laugh:

:laugh: No chance. 22 years without a win :laugh: :laugh: Ireland have won it more recently. :laugh:

1987 - Stefan DeRoiste - OK Stephen Roche then - still my fave sporting moment - very possibly the last CLEAN winner too (although there has been some mud flung towards him too)

and what was Lance Armstrong? He never tested positive, although alot of accusations were thrown around by jealous people.

I'd take out the word 'jealous' & replace with 'honest' or 'sensible'

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: Good ol' Landis is from the city I live. They had a city celebration ready for him, then he popped a day before it. Celebration was canceled. Couldn't help but feel a bit sorry for the parents, you know they must have gone through some crap over this.

So it looks like the Frenchies might have a chance this year:laugh:

:laugh: No chance. 22 years without a win :laugh: :laugh: Ireland have won it more recently. :laugh:

1987 - Stefan DeRoiste - OK Stephen Roche then - still my fave sporting moment - very possibly the last CLEAN winner too (although there has been some mud flung towards him too)

and what was Lance Armstrong? He never tested positive, although alot of accusations were thrown around by jealous people.

I'd take out the word 'jealous' & replace with 'honest' or 'sensible'

Please enlighten me on how someone who has taken hundreds of tests, because of accusations, always tested negative for drug enhancements.....yet those that accussed him were honest and he was not?:confused2: :crazy:

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EdelBrock wrote:

Please enlighten me on how someone who has taken hundreds of tests, because of accusations, always tested negative for drug enhancements.....yet those that accussed him were honest and he was not?:confused2: :crazy:

1 - there have been clouds around his doctor for decades - since before the cancer etc.

here in europe its about being seen to be honest - Rasmussen was sent home because his team had been told he was training in mexico, but he was accused of being seen in Italy once during that time. whereabouts have to be recorded for each day so out-of-comp testing can be done at ANY time.

it is public knowledge that this is not adhered to in the US it it public knowledge that the US are far behind the rest of us in trying/wishing to stamp out doping among their own

No, i do not have FACTs to support this - thats the whole point - here sportspeople are guilty unless they can prove their inocence, (Rasmussen) there they are icons and pandered to. (see Carl Lewis - who IMO was only doing what everyone else was doing - but he admitted it afterwards)

There is a whole other argument about when drugs should be banned - at the moment they are banned if they could be - in ANY way - performance enhancing - so too much cough bottle or coffee will get you banned whereas the best idea IMO would be only to ban anything that could detrementally affect the person's health - so whatever Flo-Jo was taking should have been banned, for example but then - the money/adulation is so tempting that people will ALWAYS want to push the barriers & they aint gonna worry about the long term effects if there could be a short term Olympic Gold or whatever.

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

here in europe its about being seen to be honest - Rasmussen was sent home because his team had been told he was training in mexico, but he was accused of being seen in Italy once during that time. whereabouts have to be recorded for each day so out-of-comp testing can be done at ANY time.

The Mexico thing was additional information to the blood test though. There is absolutely no evidence that Rasmussen took anything.

He did however provide a blood sample which had different blood cells, indicating he had undergone a blood transfusion, between stages. This is regarded as guilty also, and quite understandably so.

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Burt Reynolds wrote:

CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

here in europe its about being seen to be honest - Rasmussen was sent home because his team had been told he was training in mexico, but he was accused of being seen in Italy once during that time. whereabouts have to be recorded for each day so out-of-comp testing can be done at ANY time.

The Mexico thing was additional information to the blood test though. There is absolutely no evidence that Rasmussen took anything.

He did however provide a blood sample which had different blood cells, indicating he had undergone a blood transfusion, between stages. This is regarded as guilty also, and quite understandably so.

No, that was not Rasmussen - with him it has been ONLY about his whereabouts

the 2 blood types was Alexandre VINOKOUROV - who's whole TEAM were ejected from LeTour when he failed that test 2 days ago.

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote:

CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

here in europe its about being seen to be honest - Rasmussen was sent home because his team had been told he was training in mexico, but he was accused of being seen in Italy once during that time. whereabouts have to be recorded for each day so out-of-comp testing can be done at ANY time.

The Mexico thing was additional information to the blood test though. There is absolutely no evidence that Rasmussen took anything.

He did however provide a blood sample which had different blood cells, indicating he had undergone a blood transfusion, between stages. This is regarded as guilty also, and quite understandably so.

No, that was not Rasmussen - with him it has been ONLY about his whereabouts

the 2 blood types was Alexandre VINOKOUROV - who's whole TEAM were ejected from LeTour when he failed that test 2 days ago.

You sure?.. thought i heard it on the radio last night. :scratch:

OK.. well anyway, it sounds like blood transfusions could be a common, if somewhat extreme way of beating drugs tests.

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote: here in europe its about being seen to be honest - Rasmussen was sent home because his team had been told he was training in mexico, but he was accused of being seen in Italy once during that time. whereabouts have to be recorded for each day so out-of-comp testing can be done at ANY time.

it is public knowledge that this is not adhered to in the US it it public knowledge that the US are far behind the rest of us in trying/wishing to stamp out doping among their own

I'm not really understanding you here (probably why the Americans aren't adhering to this well:laugh: ), So if the perception is that the person is guilty, the person is guilty? That doesn't seem to make any logical sense at all. These are athletes, not polititians running for office.:scratch:

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Burt Reynolds wrote:

You sure?.. thought i heard it on the radio last night. :scratch:

OK.. well anyway, it sounds like blood transfusions could be a common, if somewhat extreme way of beating drugs tests.

Yeah - transfusions are reputedly widely used - simply, you keep giving blood throughout the off-season & it's stored & pumped back in for race-day, to give you a boost of extra cells to pump oxygen quicker around your body. - VERY difficult to prove any wrongdoing. obviously Vinocourov was accidentally given the blood of one of his Astana team-mates instead of his own

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EdelBrock wrote:

I'm not really understanding you here (probably why the Americans aren't adhering to this well:laugh: ), So if the perception is that the person is guilty, the person is guilty? That doesn't seem to make any logical sense at all. These are athletes, not polititians running for office.:scratch:

No, its not about perception, its about CONSTANT PROOF - as a professional athlete you must give prior notice of your whereabouts for EVERY day - Rasmussen said he was in Mexico, but did not prior-notify his national federation with regard to a 3-day period when he said he was still in Mexico - that was enough for them to kick him off the national team. Then his Rabobank team were told that he was seen in Italy when he said he was in Mexico - THAT was enough for them to kick him out of the team & off LeTour. these athletes are signed up to this strict system to prove their honesty - if you don't agree with the system, you don't compete. the same system is blatently not applied to US athletes (don't believe the spin doctors).

they are not politicians, but they do also vie for the hearts, minds & pay of the public - they represent your country, don't you want them to do so in a fair & honest way? or, do you just want them to win for the USA, at all costs?

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Burt Reynolds wrote:

CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

No, that was not Rasmussen - with him it has been ONLY about his whereabouts

the 2 blood types was Alexandre VINOKOUROV - who's whole TEAM were ejected from LeTour when he failed that test 2 days ago.

You sure?.. thought i heard it on the radio last night. :scratch:

OK.. well anyway, it sounds like blood transfusions could be a common, if somewhat extreme way of beating drugs tests.

CuanaD's right, Vinokourov tested positive for blood doping. Rasmussen hasn't actually failed any tests but wasn't where he said he would be for out of competition tests. His team basically sacked him for lying - gross misconduct.

Blood doping is training at high altitude to oxygenate your blood (more red cells) and then taking it out of your body to store ready to be transfussed back in during competition. Using your own blood makes it safer and harder to detect, but not impossible. Each rider has their normal Red cell count recorded and if that rises by a certain percentage it indicates doping. No actual drugs involved.

ThWhy the fuck Vinokourov used someone elses blood is anyones guess :shrug:

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You're obviously following LeTour too Dave, do you do a lot of cycling yourself?

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Not sure that's right, Cuana.Can't remember his name, but Eurosport have had an Aussie Discovery Team rider in the studio and he said that being on an American team, he had to fill in all these 'Whereabouts' forms, as did others such as Brits, Danes, Italians, Spanish, Germans, etc. French riders didn't have to!!!

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote: You're obviously following LeTour too Dave, do you do a lot of cycling yourself?

About 200 miles a week last year but been very slack in 2007. Only done one ride over 80 miles this year. :(

What about yourself, Conrad?

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MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote: Not sure that's right, Cuana.Can't remember his name, but Eurosport have had an Aussie Discovery Team rider in the studio and he said that being on an American team, he had to fill in all these 'Whereabouts' forms, as did others such as Brits, Danes, Italians, Spanish, Germans, etc. French riders didn't have to!!!

I know that the regulations were brought in earlier in some countries - but AFAIK all the major european countries (in cycling thats France, Germany, Spain, Italy) are up-to-speed now.

I suppose my point was that in the US an Armstrong-type would not be kicked off team & tour for 'minor discrepancies' such as Rasmussen's.

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MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote:

About 200 miles a week last year but been very slack in 2007. Only done one ride over 80 miles this year. :(

What about yourself, Conrad?

VERY little these days :( Probably only did 50-100km last year! & haven't been out this year (YET! - might get a few k into these legs in the morning)

used to do a fair bit of touring - 200k in a day was my longest single ride - nose was bleeding & i'd lost contact with all (5!) limbs 25km before the end, but I made it!

BUT, i DO have my name on my bike :lol:

(sad, isn't it?)

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote: Not sure that's right, Cuana.Can't remember his name, but Eurosport have had an Aussie Discovery Team rider in the studio and he said that being on an American team, he had to fill in all these 'Whereabouts' forms, as did others such as Brits, Danes, Italians, Spanish, Germans, etc. French riders didn't have to!!!

I know that the regulations were brought in earlier in some countries - but AFAIK all the major european countries (in cycling thats France, Germany, Spain, Italy) are up-to-speed now.

I suppose my point was that in the US an Armstrong-type would not be kicked off team & tour for 'minor discrepancies' such as Rasmussen's.

Though I completely agree honesty needs to be adhered to...watching their EVERY move seems a bit crazy....granted that being in the wrong hemisphere is far from an accident...but the reporting sounds a bit overtly strict and a bit "Big Brother"ish.

***as an experiment in College, I tried blood doping once. It was in the off season, and not a serious race, but that was amazing how well it works.

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

used to do a fair bit of touring - 200k in a day was my longest single ride - nose was bleeding & i'd lost contact with all (5!) limbs 25km before the end, but I made it!

Sounds like you should've doped :laugh:

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

BUT, i DO have my name on my bike :lol:

(sad, isn't it?)

Na, mate, proper old skool :thumb:

get yourself back out on it :shades:

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EdelBrock wrote:

CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote: Not sure that's right, Cuana.Can't remember his name, but Eurosport have had an Aussie Discovery Team rider in the studio and he said that being on an American team, he had to fill in all these 'Whereabouts' forms, as did others such as Brits, Danes, Italians, Spanish, Germans, etc. French riders didn't have to!!!

I know that the regulations were brought in earlier in some countries - but AFAIK all the major european countries (in cycling thats France, Germany, Spain, Italy) are up-to-speed now.

I suppose my point was that in the US an Armstrong-type would not be kicked off team & tour for 'minor discrepancies' such as Rasmussen's.

Though I completely agree honesty needs to be adhered to...watching their EVERY move seems a bit crazy....granted that being in the wrong hemisphere is far from an accident...but the reporting sounds a bit overtly strict and a bit "Big Brother"ish.

***as an experiment in College, I tried blood doping once. It was in the off season, and not a serious race, but that was amazing how well it works.

yes, it is hugely BigBrother-ish, but at the moment it is the best way there is to catch out any cheats - but each jurisdiction will administer it slightly differently etc etc etc

fair play to you for seeing the effects of doping for yourself - yes it makes a huge & immediate difference to performance - which is what makes it SO appealing, but still illegal.

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this man is the hills and mountains King

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MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote:

Na, mate, proper old skool :thumb:

get yourself back out on it :shades:

Old skool alright - 708 handmade frame (proper silver-brazed joints, none of your cheep solder or MMA crap) schimano bits&bobs, mavic rims & of course my other saddle is a Rolls :) (no really - Rolls as used by S.Roche et al)

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Andrès wrote: this man is the hills and mountains King

Soler Hernandez - he really impressed me yesterday - especially the way he fought back on the final climb - a classy mountain climber

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Andrès wrote: this man is the hills and mountains King

Andres...don't talk about his package like that! I don't think he'd appreciate it!

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He's all over the place when he's climbing. I've got a smoother style!!

But, hey, whatever gets you to the top! I'd look better, but I'd never catch the bugger. :laugh:

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MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote: He's all over the place when he's climbing. I've got a smoother style!!

But, hey, whatever gets you to the top! I'd look better, but I'd never catch the bugger. :laugh:

As an old friend of mine use to say, "its not how fast you get there, but how good you look getting there that matters!":laugh:

He use to state this to me because I was alot faster than him, but I tended to slobber all over myself...

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EdelBrock wrote:

MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote: He's all over the place when he's climbing. I've got a smoother style!!

But, hey, whatever gets you to the top! I'd look better, but I'd never catch the bugger. :laugh:

As an old friend of mine use to say, "its not how fast you get there, but how good you look getting there that matters!":laugh:

:thumb:

Points for artistic merit :smoking:

Now, if they gave points for swearing at London Cab drivers, I really would be the Maillot Jaune :laugh:

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Andrès wrote: this man is the hills and mountains King

nice cameltoe!

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Actually, it's not drugs... it's testosterone and blood transplant...

But what do you expect... try to climb the Alps on a bike like they do and tell me you won't need anything to help you.

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Quote for the day was that one if the riders was 'found to have someone elses blood'.

Whether that's cheating or not, it's just fucking weird.

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Sod le tour - 1st home game tickets on sale today wrote: He's all over the place when he's climbing. I've got a smoother style!!

But, hey, whatever gets you to the top! I'd look better, but I'd never catch the bugger. :laugh:

Either way I've no hope:dead:

Did my first cycle this year this morning (11km woo hoo!!) it was slow & it wasn't pretty :nonono:

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Going into the city centre on Sunday to see the end of the race. Should be making an oh-so witty banner too.

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Marc wrote: Going into the city centre on Sunday to see the end of the race. Should be making an oh-so witty banner too.

Are you going dressed as 'a syringe' like some of the roadside bystanders pictured in today's press? :eek3:

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El Jarvo wrote:

Marc wrote: Going into the city centre on Sunday to see the end of the race. Should be making an oh-so witty banner too.

Are you going dressed as 'a syringe' like some of the roadside bystanders pictured in today's press? :eek3:

lol, I'm not going to go over the top, plus I suck when it comes to fancy dress and costumes as such. last hallowe'en, I was a shitty robot made from cardboard boxes and painted over them. however, we went bowling, no one dressed up so we ditched it at Star City in Birmingham. might do a big banner of a syringe drawn on it with the quote "hey, man, there's a whole in my arm where all the money goes". then again I love that album (Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space). :)

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Andrès wrote: this man is the hills and mountains King

Sorry, Andrès :nonono: Breaking news that He's the latest one testing Positive.

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Tour de Pharmacy.

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Back in 1903, the bloke who founded le tour envisaged the ultimate test of endurance.

The route was about 50% longer than now (over 4000Km) Many of the mountain passes were unmade roads (mear tracks) The bikes weighed god only knows how many times more than now (today manufactures can make them even lighter but the UCI minimum limit is 6.8Kg or 15 pounds)
There was little support, with riders carrying their own spares and food and often having to ride through the night.

It was conceived as a race in which perhaps only one man would finish.

The way riders and teams are dropping out, that might finally happen this year!!

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NOOLigan wrote: Tour de Pharmacy.

You'll be happy when the dullest man in the Peloton, Aussie Cadel Evans wins. :nonono:

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LeggyD wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: Tour de Pharmacy.

You'll be happy when the dullest man in the Peloton, Aussie Cadel Evans wins. :nonono:

He'll prolly get do done for drinking too much coffee or something.

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NOOLigan wrote:

He'll prolly get do done for drinking too much coffee or something.

I think one day soon we'll find that Vegimite is a masking agent for doping tests and that's why you bloomin' Aussies win everything :laugh:

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LeggyD wrote:

NOOLigan wrote:

He'll prolly get do done for drinking too much coffee or something.

I think one day soon we'll find that Vegimite is a masking agent for doping tests and that's why you bloomin' Aussies win everything :laugh:

I just use it as a hangover cure. :lol:

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LeggyD wrote: Sorry, Andrès :nonono: Breaking news that He's the latest one testing Positive.

Damn thing Dave, i didn`t have any idea about it mate :nonono:

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

I'm not really understanding you here (probably why the Americans aren't adhering to this well:laugh: ), So if the perception is that the person is guilty, the person is guilty? That doesn't seem to make any logical sense at all. These are athletes, not polititians running for office.:scratch:

No, its not about perception, its about CONSTANT PROOF - as a professional athlete you must give prior notice of your whereabouts for EVERY day - Rasmussen said he was in Mexico, but did not prior-notify his national federation with regard to a 3-day period when he said he was still in Mexico - that was enough for them to kick him off the national team. Then his Rabobank team were told that he was seen in Italy when he said he was in Mexico - THAT was enough for them to kick him out of the team & off LeTour. these athletes are signed up to this strict system to prove their honesty - if you don't agree with the system, you don't compete. the same system is blatently not applied to US athletes (don't believe the spin doctors).

they are not politicians, but they do also vie for the hearts, minds & pay of the public - they represent your country, don't you want them to do so in a fair & honest way? or, do you just want them to win for the USA, at all costs?

What can I say...we're just not as talented at bicycle riding as those envouge European riders...

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LeggyD wrote:

Andrès wrote: this man is the hills and mountains King

Sorry, Andrès :nonono: Breaking news that He's the latest one testing Positive.

Looks like he's clean. Was being reported by a Danish newswire. Maybe they were looking for another story after their man Rasmussen :shrug:

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Bugger i was hoping for a non-traditional charge.

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LeggyD wrote:

LeggyD wrote:

Andrès wrote: this man is the hills and mountains King

Sorry, Andrès :nonono: Breaking news that He's the latest one testing Positive.

Looks like he's clean. Was being reported by a Danish newswire. Maybe they were looking for another story after their man Rasmussen :shrug:

yeahh, it was not even a confusion just the gutter press. Finally he end up in the 11 general position and also as the best climber. The colombian guy did a great job in france, Congrats to him, :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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I can't take bicyle races serious anymore. :nonono: (Well I never did I guess :scratch: )

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Ending was ok but they whizzed by too bloody faster didn't make a banner in the end. :/

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

MAILLOT JAUNE. Yet to be caught. wrote:

Na, mate, proper old skool :thumb:

get yourself back out on it :shades:

Old skool alright - 708 handmade frame (proper silver-brazed joints, none of your cheep solder or MMA crap) schimano bits&bobs, mavic rims & of course my other saddle is a Rolls :) (no really - Rolls as used by S.Roche et al)

since when is shimano old skool? give me campag any day (though i have mavic rims too)

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Who's up for the Tour de Corby on Friday then :thumb:

I'll be tucking my trousers into my socks :nod:

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BIGINOIL wrote: Who's up for the Tour de Corby on Friday then :thumb:

I'll be tucking my trousers into my socks :nod:

:abovelol: :thumb:

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hibster wrote:

since when is shimano old skool? give me campag any day (though i have mavic rims too)

Well, nothing on that bike is younger than 15 years old & I couldn't AFFORD Campagnolo (except my Campag water bottle - not pictured!)

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

hibster wrote:

since when is shimano old skool? give me campag any day (though i have mavic rims too)

Well, nothing on that bike is younger than 15 years old & I couldn't AFFORD Campagnolo (except my Campag water bottle - not pictured!)

Well if you were TURELY ol' skool you'd be riding a Huffy circa 1967!

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BIGINOIL wrote: Who's up for the Tour de Corby on Friday then :thumb:

I'll be tucking my trousers into my socks :nod:

I had actually thought about riding up as there's no bloody train station. Only 60miles.

But I'll probably get me wheels nicked stopping at a set of Corby traffic lights. :skeptic:

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

hibster wrote:

since when is shimano old skool? give me campag any day (though i have mavic rims too)

Well, nothing on that bike is younger than 15 years old & I couldn't AFFORD Campagnolo (except my Campag water bottle - not pictured!)

Alberto Contador. Quite the story w/ the Brain Surgery was it. Always find it's a rush to catch the Older names mentioned each yr. There goes July.
Cuana- D. Nah agreed Shimano :clap: is great. Degrees. Their components were on Team Discovery Channel.

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CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

hibster wrote:

since when is shimano old skool? give me campag any day (though i have mavic rims too)

Well, nothing on that bike is younger than 15 years old & I couldn't AFFORD Campagnolo (except my Campag water bottle - not pictured!)

i must be spoilt then, i've had campag chainsets since i was 14!

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hibster wrote:

i must be spoilt then, i've had campag chainsets since i was 14!

and the click click click of the freewheel hasn't driven you mad yet? :evil4:

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NOOLigan wrote: Tour de Pharmacy.

Beat me to it. I though "Tour De Pharm" was a snappy name

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