Rare Rehearsal/Demo Tape On eBay

In 1988, I was a simple bricklayer working in Box, Wiltshire, UK. Just around the corner from the executive houses I was building was Peter Gabriel's Real World studios.

Incredibly, I just wandered in there one lunchtime to find an empty studio full of instruments, where New Order were recording. The engineer from that recording session gave me a cassette.

The cassette is labeled A&M Studios and has "*New Order* (Various Takes)" typed on both sides. On Side 1 is hand-written "Ideas from Recording etc Jun/Jul etc". On Side 2 is hand-written "Rehersal [sic] - 25/4/88".

Side 1 starts off with some rather tinny jamming, samples, etc. However, the sound quality soon improves and there are lengthy jams, short snippets of conversation (presumably from Peter Hook and Barney Sumner) and various samples of instrumentation, including a couple of rough takes of complete songs. Most of the music has no vocals, but there are a couple of tracks with vocals. Not being a huge New Order fan, I'm afraid that I can't say whether these are early rehearsals of known songs or unreleased rarities!

Side 2 consists of numerous remixes of Blue Monday (I know that song!). They all differ in as far as they have odd samples, loops and synthesizer parts incorporated. It is also interspersed with some rough jams by the boys (and girl!), some bass lines by Hooky and a bit of noodling from Barney.

This tape is totally original and a one-off. I have not made any copies, so it is a totally unique piece of New Order memorabilia. You can find it at:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4833389128&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

anyone heard of this before and know what it might contain?

Unfortunately it's being sold by someone who doesn't know anything about the band and what the tracks might be.

Depending on who gets it we may never know.

Technique rehearsals seems the most likely although I'm not sure why Blue Monday should be on it.

Blue Monday 88 version I would guess.

Tom - make some copies and flog them as well, it's gonna end up with a collector otherwise, and none of the genuine hardcore will ever get to hear it! Plus you will make more money.

At the moment i am the highest bidder so if all goes well we will soon know what it contains :)

It would make sense for other NOOLer's not to start a bidding war on this one and hopefully the eventual winner can make these tracks availble to all!

of course i will make it available to all if i win that is !

i would be only to willing to trade copies for other new order electronic stuff its only fair :)

well I wish you good luck with the auction!

Hello everyone

look at this other new order item available on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-ORDER-Peter-Hook-Signed-Album-Flat-RARE\_W0QQitemZ7589234126QQcategoryZ61QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

was international and retro released as a joint album in the US ?

Blue Monday 88 version I would guess

that's a possible, although I thought that would have been done without the band involved, by Quincy Jones and in the US not Real World.

Maybe the tape has/had some mixes of BM88, then the band taped rehearsals over some of it. This could explain why there are handwritten additions to the labels.

The going bid is 5.50 which isnt going to land it so lets all cross fingers and give moral and other support to Fac 51 on Saturday..!

Hi guys just thought i would give you an update

The current highest bid on the New Order tape was £5.50 and i put a maximum bid of £30 on it of £30.00 to secure it , this was outbid today by someone bidding £31.00 on it and putting a maximum bid of £40.00 on it , i have bid again with £41.00 with a maximum bid of £50.00 to try and secure it , hopefully this will get us the tape and i can start to trade with you guys for other New Order/Joy Division/Electronic stuff :) but if it goes past the £50.00 mark i am afraid i won't be able to bid any higher , If i am outbid again i will post it on this forum so that someone else can step in and try

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Bidding: Bidding on: 1 Winning: 1 Winning cost: £41.00

Won: Quantity: 0 Amount: £0.00 (Last 31 days) Back to top Items I'm Bidding On (1 item) Customise Display Show: All | Winning (1) | Not Winning (0) Picture Current Price My Max Bid Postage Cost Time Left Action NEW ORDER. CASSETTE OF PRACTICE SESSIONS & DEMOS. RARE View Seller's Other Items £41.00 £50.00 £1.50 4d 04h 30m

nothing like this is ever won or lost this early.

A whole load of last second bids are where this gets played out.

Well hopsfully the last bid was a rogue one and £50 will be good enough , if not like i said i will announce it on here so another member can have a crack at it

I wonder if Barney & the gang bid on here for rare new order stuff ?

The way the price has gone up today i reckon this will sell for at least a ton. Only pray its someone off here that win it, then at least we can weed it etc. I by the way am not bidding- need money for next weeks babyshambles gigs

first time poster, many time conjecture-er--

do many people who claim to not be that familiar with new order refer to peter hook as 'hooky' as the seller has done?

something to think about if we aren't getting a tracklisting and with the proliferation of the basement tapes bootleg.

of course, theories aside, it may very well be technique-era recordings.

I, for one, would gladly pay upto £30 for a copy of this. Surely we could club together and create an account with enough wedge to buy it? Just a thought.

Andrew Sayer wrote: The way the price has gone up today i reckon this will sell for at least a ton. Only pray its someone off here that win it, then at least we can weed it etc.

I'm still waiting to weed :) I hit the required amount. maybe someone moved the (goal)posts? :)

Its at 51 quid today, same person who took it above 30, but if you look at his buying profile you wouldnt say its NO or nothing..!

sorry guys it has gone over my £50 limit now i am afraid it is up to someone else to take over on this one

i would say we could club together and buy it but how would we share it , i mean besides making sure all those who want a copy gets one who would keep the original ? , we should really have a NOOL bittorrent link where we could all share on

Simon

duroc wrote:

Andrew Sayer wrote: The way the price has gone up today i reckon this will sell for at least a ton. Only pray its someone off here that win it, then at least we can weed it etc.

I'm still waiting to weed :) I hit the required amount. maybe someone moved the (goal)posts? :)

Sean, scroll down the Forums till 'Weeding'(its after Community i think) Enter that & see whats what. If you need owt drop us a line

If anyone is interested, barney69 (the 51 quid bidder on this) says he/she is a Nooler! And Tom is not going to make any copies...

Steve Lea wrote: If anyone is interested, barney69 (the 51 quid bidder on this) says he/she is a Nooler! And Tom is not going to make any copies...

I hope a kind NOOLer wins and shares this.

One Brain wrote: I'm sure David Sultan is going to win this auction and we will never have the chance to hear these gems.

Ricardo

tente fazer uma proposta referente a nós nos cotizarmos e bancarmos esta fita evitando que o David caso entre no leilão ganhe isso. Seria uma boa iéia não achas?

Andrew Sayer wrote: Sean, scroll down the Forums till 'Weeding'(its after Community i think) Enter that & see whats what. If you need owt drop us a line

Nothing happening mate, tried IE and Mozilla still see nothing in side bar or the main page, ah well back to soulseek and bit torrent :)

it's quite possible David already has something very similar as it matches one of the tapes he bought previously (remember the box of tapes)

duroc wrote:

Andrew Sayer wrote: Sean, scroll down the Forums till 'Weeding'(its after Community i think) Enter that & see whats what. If you need owt drop us a line

Nothing happening mate, tried IE and Mozilla still see nothing in side bar or the main page, ah well back to soulseek and bit torrent :)

Link

James Thomas wrote:

duroc wrote:

Andrew Sayer wrote: Sean, scroll down the Forums till 'Weeding'(its after Community i think) Enter that & see whats what. If you need owt drop us a line

Nothing happening mate, tried IE and Mozilla still see nothing in side bar or the main page, ah well back to soulseek and bit torrent :)

Link

Nope, still nowt appearing!

Hi all look at this link and see what the tape eventually went for , i hope it is a genuine recording for the winners sake !

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4833389128&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT&rd=1

I hope so too. :)

The Happy One wrote: I hope so too. :)

That's a hell of a lot of money, Sam, sure hope it's worth it. That went way over my budget, but I'm chuffed it stayed within the 'family'

Geri wrote:

The Happy One wrote: I hope so too. :)

That's a hell of a lot of money, Sam, sure hope it's worth it. That went way over my budget, but I'm chuffed it stayed within the 'family'

Yes, it is, but I didn't go in it alone.

Well speaking as the guy you outbid last night, thats a bit too much money wouldnt you say, seeing as both of us are Noolers?

Steve Lea wrote: Well speaking as the guy you outbid last night, thats a bit too much money wouldnt you say, seeing as both of us are Noolers?

So, you're the gent from South Africa?

Where were you before last night, though? Would you be saying the same thing had you won? Maybe you would have, but I have no way of knowing for sure.

And I was lucky to have the support of plenty of fellow NOOLers, so even though it came out to be twice as much (or 5 quid more), it's spread among more people than it would have been otherwise.

I'm assuming that you had to bid over 200 in the first place to exceed sisterray72's offer...but isn't sisterray72 also a fellow NOOL'er, assuming his handle history matches one that's been featured fairly prominently? And who's to say whether barney69 doesn't post on here as well?

The Happy One wrote:

Steve Lea wrote: Well speaking as the guy you outbid last night, thats a bit too much money wouldnt you say, seeing as both of us are Noolers?

So, you're the gent from South Africa?

Where were you before last night, though? Would you be saying the same thing had you won? Maybe you would have, but I have no way of knowing for sure.

And I was lucky to have the support of plenty of fellow NOOLers, so even though it came out to be twice as much (or 5 quid more), it's spread among more people than it would have been otherwise.

I'm assuming that you had to bid over 200 in the first place to exceed sisterray72's offer...but isn't sisterray72 also a fellow NOOL'er, assuming his handle history matches one that's been featured fairly prominently? And who's to say whether barney69 doesn't post on here as well?

Yes I am, the only one who posts from RSA.

Well I was on the beginning of this thread, that's where I was! Yes I think I would be saying that, the winning bid was at 112 quid until ten seconds to go. I'm not a great collector of NO stuff, JD maybe, but this was just a way to pay back something I had received out of the Nool community. I have no idea who sisterray72 is, but I had spoken to barney69 -he is a Nooler too - and to the seller trying (unsuccessfully) to secure a copy of the tape for Noolers. It was just to stop something rare and relatively high value disappearing into private hands like they so often do. Anyway, good luck, you won it fair and square! There's a thread on DR saying we've got more money than brains...

Steve Lea wrote:

It was just to stop something rare and relatively high value disappearing into private hands like they so often do.

Which was the exact thinking behind the 'consortium' bid that won. I understand that you're upset about having it nabbed off you, but you'll still get to hear it AND you keep your money. The group bid was made with the sole intention of sharing it among the community and to try and ward off a well known collector that would not have been so generous.

As it happened, that competition never came. If anything, you're the bad guy for hiking the price up at the last moment. :D

Well I was on the beginning of this thread, that's where I was! Yes I think I would be saying that, the winning bid was at 112 quid until ten seconds to go.

Not quite what happened...here's what the bid history shows:

Auction ended at 13:47:58 PST.

samhabash GBP 205.01 Feb-19-06 13:47:40 PST tltwatw GBP 200.01 Feb-19-06 13:44:36 PST sisterray72 GBP 110.00 Feb-19-06 11:06:09 PST barney69* GBP 72.55 Feb-19-06 13:17:18 PST

So 3 out of the 4 are NOOL'ers, and I bet sisterrray72 is too. I guess being a NOOLer doesn't guarantee very much. :(

Did anyone have the forsight or cheek to actually email the seller and ask for a copy? I did and he never replied

So was it a NOOLer that won the tape ? , if so will i be able to get a copy seen as i was the original bidder trying to get it so that the team could share ?

Old Blue wrote:

Steve Lea wrote:

It was just to stop something rare and relatively high value disappearing into private hands like they so often do.

Which was the exact thinking behind the 'consortium' bid that won. I understand that you're upset about having it nabbed off you, but you'll still get to hear it AND you keep your money. The group bid was made with the sole intention of sharing it among the community and to try and ward off a well known collector that would not have been so generous.

As it happened, that competition never came. If anything, you're the bad guy for hiking the price up at the last moment. :D

Have a look at the bid history again and get your facts straight. The winning bid was 112 quid until a few seconds to go - thats what it would have cost me to beat Sisterray's bid. It cost you 205.01 to beat my maximum bid, thats something else entirely. I know nothing about a consortium, you certainly didnt let it be known on this thread or on this site anywhere that I can see. At least I alluded to what I would try and do in black and white earlier in this thread. I'm not too fussed about not getting the tape for personal ownership, I believe I said that already. I just hope you guys arent disappointed with whats on it!

The winning bid was 112 quid until a few seconds to go - thats what it would have cost me to beat Sisterray's bid. It cost you 205.01 to beat my maximum bid, thats something else entirely.

Yeah, you're right, but you could have let me have it for 117 :)...but you were concerned by being outbid by Sisterray...so you set a fairly high maximum.

I know nothing about a consortium, you certainly didnt let it be known on this thread or on this site anywhere that I can see. At least I alluded to what I would try and do in black and white earlier in this thread.

You're right about that. I guess "tltwatw" is secret code for "Stephen Lea" that I had missed in my carelessness. But since I know who that is now, I can see that you clearly posted earlier on in the thread.

I think if I had it to do all over again, I probably should have said something here, but eBay auctions are tricky affairs, and revealing your (good) intentions early has a way of backfiring in unexpected and frightening ways...and it may have turned out completely differently.

I'm not too fussed about not getting the tape for personal ownership, I believe I said that already. I just hope you guys arent disappointed with whats on it!

You mean, I hope *we* aren't disappointed with what's on it!

Well, I *do* plan on making it available to all and sundry...and I already have had about 15 people make good on their pledges (with others on their way)...so in fact I've saved you well over 100 pounds. Feel free to contact me privately if you want to discuss the matter further!

The Happy One wrote:

You're right about that. I guess "tltwatw" is secret code for "Stephen Lea" that I had missed in my carelessness. But since I know who that is now, I can see that you clearly posted earlier on in the thread.

I think if I had it to do all over again, I probably should have said something here, but eBay auctions are tricky affairs, and revealing your (good) intentions early has a way of backfiring in unexpected and frightening ways...and it may have turned out completely differently.

I'm not too fussed about not getting the tape for personal ownership, I believe I said that already. I just hope you guys arent disappointed with whats on it!

You mean, I hope *we* aren't disappointed with what's on it!

Well, I *do* plan on making it available to all and sundry...and I already have had about 15 people make good on their pledges (with others on their way)...so in fact I've saved you well over 100 pounds. Feel free to contact me privately if you want to discuss the matter further!

Well if you knew I was from SA then you checked out my e-bay profile before you bid and I am fairly regular on this site and the only one with a .za. By the same token I dont know you as samhabash - I did start trawling through the Californians yesterday but there are so many of you f***ers! Its not an issue... This sort of item is a bit different to what normally will get raided at the last moment on e-bay, I think I know who the collector is you're talking about, but there's a good chance it will come to a Nooler in most cases.

If nothing else, you have proved yourself to be an ace bloke, for stepping in and offering to take this upon yourself...

Kudos!

Well played Sam. Will gladly pitch in for a copy if possible.

Interesting exchange on WIM about this tape, with the seller being a major player.....

maybe in the future, if items like this come up again..

you could re-organize a team privately, but publicly invite people to donate with the intention of sharing later on..

that way, hopefully there won't be a conflict over these items. of course a certain amount of trust would have to be involved.

but i'm glad that there is an effort to preserve these recordings and release them....i know there was another bootleg of demos that was released on 'dimeadozen.org' that i got, and then i saw a copy of it on ebay, and i was glad that people had shared it, instead of me having to pay money for it..

(hi sam, long time no talk...)

later -1

Yeah, good to see that you're still around, -1.

oldmonkey wrote: Interesting exchange on WIM about this tape, with the seller being a major player.....

Nah, I wouldn't take much stock in what any angle-bracketed folk having fun at the expense of the seller have to say.

Curiosity is killing me. I hope you post a definitive description of what is recorded when you can. Of course, I hope it's something really good!

Don't worry, I will. Watch this space.

The Happy One wrote: Don't worry, I will. Watch this space.

Rock on!

The Happy One wrote: Don't worry, I will. Watch this space.

are you putting it on Dimeadozen as well?

Thought about it, but not everybody has DIME logins.

I have received this. Expect about a week before it's banged up to snuff.

To illustrate what I'm talking about when I say "bang into shape", here's samples of the first song, both in "raw" form and something similar to what the mastered version will sound like...

Loveless as transferred from demo tape

Mastering candidate version of Loveless

I'm not doing the mastering, someone else has graciously volunteered to take on this task.

[albeit with pedestrian knowledge regarding mastering]- the candidate version sounds great!

Oh wow. Could I ever bliss out on that Loveless version there! That's why I love rehearsal tapes; just a jam out session that gives versions that I would love to hear.

Give kudos to your mastering friend, there.

Good shit Sam - well done, nice to hear something 'new'. Looking forward to this finished project!

Good job. I'm glad it went to someone who can appreciate it and know it for what it is!

Good job. I'm glad it went to someone who can appreciate it and know it for what it is!

Good job. I'm glad it went to someone who can appreciate it and know it for what it is!

The Happy One wrote: Thought about it, but not everybody has DIME logins.

I have received this. Expect about a week before it's banged up to snuff.

Loveless! What a difference the mastering makes. What tracks from Technique are present?

i do have one these songs. i have the rehersal version of loveless also a jamming session during the lowlife era. the quality is pretty good. i download it from soulseek. i would love to share it, but dont know how to upload the song here.

kino zon wrote: i do have one these songs. i have the rehersal version of loveless also a jamming session during the lowlife era. the quality is pretty good. i download it from soulseek. i would love to share it, but dont know how to upload the song here.

Probably not Loveless by "All The Way" and the jamming stuff is likely from the '84 rehearsals that got out a couple of years ago.

Here's another pre/post mastering taster for ya...

Run (early version), raw from the tape

Run (early version), mastering candidate 1

Drooling yet? :D

I think that's it from me regarding samples posted here - next taster would be the whole thing (and I'm only the engineer, not the distributor, so don't bug me please...).

drew

The Happy One wrote:

kino zon wrote: i do have one these songs. i have the rehersal version of loveless also a jamming session during the lowlife era. the quality is pretty good. i download it from soulseek. i would love to share it, but dont know how to upload the song here.

Probably not Loveless by "All The Way" and the jamming stuff is likely from the '84 rehearsals that got out a couple of years ago.

my bad. you right it was "all the way".

Those remastered versions sound fantastic!! Can't wait to hear some more

excellent job,

i can't wait to hear the other tracks..

is there a tentative list, or guess as to what some of the tracks are?

later -1

-1 wrote: excellent job,

i can't wait to hear the other tracks..

is there a tentative list, or guess as to what some of the tracks are?

later -1

Thanks for the kind words...

But I'll leave it to the happy one to divulge that sort of information as he is the facilitator of this lil' gem we have here.

Rest assured you won't be disappointed though!

drew

Great stuff, thanks for the links. I love loveless.

Posted to PureLiveGigs for those who want it.

And huge thanks Sam, will listen to these with great interest!

No more f'ing saudade wrote: Posted to PureLiveGigs for those who want it.

And huge thanks Sam, will listen to these with great interest!

You guys are so fast, you put out the notice before I had a chance to pass the word. Was too busy watching Sopranos and Big Love...

Fantastic stuff! Thank you so Much!!!

Thanks for sharing this !

Thank you!

Many thanks to the purchasers and compilers on this, I'm eagerly awaiting it. The teasers alone have me quivering. ;)

Great stuff, cheers!!

Thank you for sharing this treasure.

Excellent stuff SAM and DREWC REGARDS rOCKET mICK

:D Much Thanks! :D Great work!

i've been listening to some of these tracks lately..

great job..

i like the blue monday 88 mixes without the samples.. i think the original were too 'busy' with them..

thanks again for all the hard work and time spent on these..

later -1

Interesting stuff... Great work, guys... Thanks!

Snorri xxx

-1 wrote: i like the blue monday 88 mixes without the samples.. i think the original were too 'busy' with them..

Yeah, but then the last two mixes are irritating beyond belief. "Oh boy this is too much" indeed. :barf:

i have yet to download this, i did listen to the samples and i just wanted to thank you guys for giving us access to these treasures

Thank you - I can hardly wait to listen to it! Thanks

all i can say is.... THANK YOU !!! amazing that this tape was shared so quickly !!!

Can anyone help? I am bleeding deperate to get my lugs round these, but can't seem to download it and get them working. I have spent several evenings on this and am afraid the missus is going to leave if I spend many more. Can anyone burn it for me. Am happy to pay/trade/dig your garden etc Colin

I really want to thank all those involved in the purchasing of this tape. It was great to see that REAL fans got it and the first thing on their mind was to share.

Thank You Thank You Thank You!!!!!!

colin gordon wrote: Can anyone help? I am bleeding deperate to get my lugs round these, but can't seem to download it and get them working. I have spent several evenings on this and am afraid the missus is going to leave if I spend many more. Can anyone burn it for me. Am happy to pay/trade/dig your garden etc Colin

Anybody in the UK that can help Colin with a copy?

If not, I'll send one over from Oz

Solly wrote:

colin gordon wrote: Can anyone help? I am bleeding deperate to get my lugs round these, but can't seem to download it and get them working. I have spent several evenings on this and am afraid the missus is going to leave if I spend many more. Can anyone burn it for me. Am happy to pay/trade/dig your garden etc Colin

Anybody in the UK that can help Colin with a copy?

If not, I'll send one over from Oz

I've posted a copy to Colin yesterday