WHP

Great gig last night, oddest venue I have ever been in and trying to move around when NO were on was nigh on impossible.

No changes in setlist? Wondered if they might have pulled at least one out of the bag but it appears not

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Fotzepolitic wrote: No changes in setlist? Wondered if they might have pulled at least one out of the bag but it appears not

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No it was basically the same set although Ellie Jackson appeared and he introduce 2 backing singers for Plastic but I can't remember their names. Great gig but bloody hot and cramped in there. Also first NO gig I have been to where it felt like the majority of the audience were in the younger age bracket.

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Fotzepolitic wrote: No changes in setlist? Wondered if they might have pulled at least one out of the bag but it appears not

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No it was basically the same set although Ellie Jackson appeared and he introduce 2 backing singers for Plastic but I can't remember their names. Great gig but bloody hot and cramped in there. Also first NO gig I have been to where it felt like the majority of the audience were in the younger age bracket.

Probably Dawn Zee and Denise Johnson ?

I thought it was a terrible venue. We travelled down for the gig. Had we known the venue/format we wouldn't have bothered. The band sounded great. It's a dance album but what's the point if you're packed in like sardines getting pushed backwards and forwards constantly. It was impossible to dance and quite dangerous. I don't want to sound like an old fogey but we had such a bad time. I've seen NO plenty but this just a desperately bad night.

It was a good idea but it just didn't work in my opinion. Good venue if it was just a club night not suited to a band.bstarted well with factory floor although there were only 2 of them no live drummer and the girl in FF ditched her guitar and sampled her voice but good sound but more like a DJ set.

Great DJ on afterwards just b4 new order. But towards the end of the set everybody just pushed total mayhem. I was with the wife and she couldn't cope with crush so had to watch it from the side with a great big wall in the way so the sound was dreadful.

Drum machines and synths sounded ok, but guitar and acoustic drums were lost.

It was two rooms but obviously when new order came on you had 5000 people trying to squeeze into a space for half that.

I had a good night but the new order part was the worse I,ve ever seen them, not because they sounded bad but of the problems with the venue. Liverpool was far better. They also never played ceremony, lonesome tonight or 586 so a lot less songs in the set and no new ones. Best tunes of the night BLT, tutti Fruitti, temptation and blue Monday which did really work in this venue. Looking forward to seeing them again next year to make up for this disappointment.

Fotzepolitic wrote:

surface wrote:

Fotzepolitic wrote: No changes in setlist? Wondered if they might have pulled at least one out of the bag but it appears not

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No it was basically the same set although Ellie Jackson appeared and he introduce 2 backing singers for Plastic but I can't remember their names. Great gig but bloody hot and cramped in there. Also first NO gig I have been to where it felt like the majority of the audience were in the younger age bracket.

Probably Dawn Zee and Denise Johnson ?

It was Denise Johnson and Dawn Zee

The Shadow wrote: It was a good idea but it just didn't work in my opinion. Good venue if it was just a club night not suited to a band.bstarted well with factory floor although there were only 2 of them no live drummer and the girl in FF ditched her guitar and sampled her voice but good sound but more like a DJ set.

Great DJ on afterwards just b4 new order. But towards the end of the set everybody just pushed total mayhem. I was with the wife and she couldn't cope with crush so had to watch it from the side with a great big wall in the way so the sound was dreadful.

Drum machines and synths sounded ok, but guitar and acoustic drums were lost.

It was two rooms but obviously when new order came on you had 5000 people trying to squeeze into a space for half that.

I had a good night but the new order part was the worse I,ve ever seen them, not because they sounded bad but of the problems with the venue. Liverpool was far better. They also never played ceremony, lonesome tonight or 586 so a lot less songs in the set and no new ones. Best tunes of the night BLT, tutti Fruitti, temptation and blue Monday which did really work in this venue. Looking forward to seeing them again next year to make up for this disappointment.

Agree with you, early on it was ok but when NO came on, as you say it was mental, I was quite near the front and didn't expect the mad dancing for singularity. Needed a pee and another beer later on and there was no way back to where I was so did the same as you and watched from the other side of the wall near the t shirt stand.

Couple of years ago i went to The Stone Roses film premier at Victoria Warehouse, that would have been a far better venue.

Loved it, even though no chance of getting near the front amazing buzz from what must be the youngest Order audience I've been in since the 80s and they knew all the words, shame it was a shorter set but live they have so got it sorted ,realy enjoy EL there own honoury manc, wonder if Bernard found his car? I just want your love.

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I have just done both nights there , My audio recordings have come out ace, small stage like back in the day, but what a shit hole of a venue , we should be paid to enter - great gigs though!

Please God , make them play academic and finish with transmission , and add 4 or 5 or 6 more , thanks . And if Bernard sings at the end of plastic , 'bubba 'instead of baby , no problem.

It's Manchester, it's New Order. And the final shows of the U.K. tour. You can't help but expect something special. What were we treated to? A crap venue and a truncated set. One is bad enough but two.

Even so, I'm glad I caught them. The performance itself was vibrant. Plenty of new material played. And the show lasted over 100 mins, which is of sufficient length, considering 3-4 songs were dropped from the standard set of the previous shows. Still...

When I failed to secure the Saturday night ticket, I was gutted. Now I'm rather glad that I didn't go to both nights. If I had done, my disappointment would have doubled for sure.

Digi Mike wrote: I have just done both nights there , My audio recordings have come out ace, small stage like back in the day, but what a shit hole of a venue , we should be paid to enter - great gigs though!

Mike, having done every date of the UK tour can you can confirm Barney didn't do one single 'C'Mon!' during LWTUA in the whole tour?

Hope you are still able to wake up and catch BBC Breakfast (Bill and Louise on the sofa this morning) despite getting home late after last night's gig

New Order and ACR were fantastic last night.

The venue meanwhile was an unsafe shithole unfit for purpose.

As a rave venue it was perfect but when stuffed to the gills with thousands of New Order fans it was a proper nightmare.

Oh and leaving the venue? Thousands of people filing through one door? Yeah that's safe.

Good job there was no sort of emergency because we were stuck in there with inadequate fire exits.

Stupid greedy promoters must have oversold this, shame on them.

Rant over.

Back to the arenas lads (and lass)........

Well, I can't comment on the venue, as I didn't even get in! Arrived just as FF started up (sounded brutal/huge from outside the doors). Sniffer dog took a liking to me, was searched, nothing on me, not allowed entry. So £35+ wasted, and had to hang around for 5+ hours to wait for my mates to travel home. One of them came out to keep me company (would have stopped him if I had a chance) so two of us missed out.

Was Denise Johnson on stage with New Order as well as ACR? Gutted to have missed it.

Oh well, Gillian liked it...

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Fotzepolitic wrote:

Digi Mike wrote: I have just done both nights there , My audio recordings have come out ace, small stage like back in the day, but what a shit hole of a venue , we should be paid to enter - great gigs though!

Mike, having done every date of the UK tour can you can confirm Barney didn't do one single 'C'Mon!' during LWTUA in the whole tour?

Hope you are still able to wake up and catch BBC Breakfast (Bill and Louise on the sofa this morning) despite getting home late after last night's gig

I am pretty sure that's right, think were treated to a COME ON twice at two renditions of Temptation.

Missed Breakfast , can't wait to see Carol doing the weather soon

So according to Set List FM they played exactly the same set both nights running at WHP?

Spittingcat wrote: Sniffer dog took a liking to me, was searched, nothing on me, not allowed entry.

I was fully expecting the sniffer dog to take an interest in me but it didn't, so that's really bad luck for you!

Venue was a nightmare as others have said, but luckily my mate who works in the "biz" got us VIP guesties, so we could escape the mayhem and use the bar there. The only notable "face" was Leroy of Hacienda/Dry fame.

Barney very clearly into it, lots of "Fine Time" style dancing, and he even put the microphone into the audience at one point for a bit of audience singalong participation, which I've never seen him do before in the 30+ gigs I've done over the years!

Spittingcat wrote: Well, I can't comment on the venue, as I didn't even get in! Arrived just as FF started up (sounded brutal/huge from outside the doors). Sniffer dog took a liking to me, was searched, nothing on me, not allowed entry. So £35+ wasted, and had to hang around for 5+ hours to wait for my mates to travel home. One of them came out to keep me company (would have stopped him if I had a chance) so two of us missed out.

Was Denise Johnson on stage with New Order as well as ACR? Gutted to have missed it.

Did you actually have anything on you (regardless of whether it was found)? If not, they can't really justify refusing you entry. Did you get your money back? If not, I would be inclined to write to The Guardian's "Money"/consumer affairs section, or the NME or...someone/anyone.

Nope, nothing on me. I'm one of the boring people I'm afraid. And no refund (or ticket to pass on) so just vanished money really. No idea how I could try and get a refund, or where from, to be honest. No proof of what happened. No point chasing it really. Also, not really bothered about the money, just about missing a gig I've been looking forward to since the summer, with three of my favourite bands, in my old city, in one night.

It might be nice to make a point though. Perhaps get an apology. If you bought the ticket through an official outlet you would presumably have some sort of confirmation of purchase. Unless people are going to accuse you of making up the whole story, then you can still be taken seriously without your ticket.

If it were me I would have had an almighty row with the bouncers (or maybe you did?) and I wouldn't just give up and say..."nothing I can do". Don't forget you could be standing up for future gig-goers too. Let them away with it and that's a win for bullying & theft isn't it.

Oh and where would you get the refund from? You could try the two twitter handles mentioned in this tweet for a start:

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Jake A wrote:

Spittingcat wrote: Sniffer dog took a liking to me, was searched, nothing on me, not allowed entry.

I was fully expecting the sniffer dog to take an interest in me but it didn't, so that's really bad luck for you!

Venue was a nightmare as others have said, but luckily my mate who works in the "biz" got us VIP guesties, so we could escape the mayhem and use the bar there. The only notable "face" was Leroy of Hacienda/Dry fame.

Barney very clearly into it, lots of "Fine Time" style dancing, and he even put the microphone into the audience at one point for a bit of audience singalong participation, which I've never seen him do before in the 30+ gigs I've done over the years!

This reminded me of the time Bernard and Hooky walked past a security dog licking it's genitals outside a gig:

Hooky: "I wish I could do that, ha ha!" Bernard: "Don't you think you should pet him first?"

DJ Tintin's setlist for Sunday anyone?

I turned up on Sunday night with ticket in hand was waved through one set of bouncers then I saw loads of people turning their pockets out on to tables in front of coppers and security. I stopped thinking I was going to have to do the same. But a bouncer came up behind me and said 'keep walking mate' so I got in without any hassle. Did everyone who was searched get refused entry?? In which case I'd say a lot people are due refunds.

Never been to WHP there before but heard a lot of good things about it, boy was I disappointed. It was good idea to attempt to do something different for the final nights of the tour in Manchester, avoid the usual venues and arenas, but I'm afraid it didn't work. The band seemed to be on form, although I haven't seen them for many years. The sound was pretty crap at times. Being a big bloke I managed to muscle my way to the front and maintain a good spot with a good view, the crush was getting dangerous near the end.

All in all a big disappointment, for the ticket price I was hoping for a lot more.

For someone who spent the whole of the 90's in various raves and clubs (konspiracy, legends in Warrington and the orbit in Leeds) I was made up when they announced this gig and bought my ticket immediately.

In hindsight I should have gone with the Mrs in Liverpool and mates to Manchester.

The WHP was just too packed and if you were pushed out to the side ad I was you couldn't hear NO properly because of the arches. As it was a dance club you should have at least room to dance! Should have been a Better venue or less people. But I do commend NO doing something different again as Jodrell Bank was a good choice too.

This just didn't quite work for me.

Hopefully next year we will get some other great venues to attend and a change in set, surely after all this praise lavished upon academic that will be tested out live.

NotAMod wrote: As JG and a few other fans have pointed out you've got to commend them for trying something different and not simply booking two nights at an ordinary venue. Playing the WHP in a heaving, smoky, sweaty and barely lit underground car park certainly flies in the face of "old men promoting the album in a boring/safe manner".

I had tickets for both nights but ended up doing just the Sunday mainly because of ACR who I'd not seen for a couple of years now. They were predictably well worth the effort; it's easy to forget what a tight band they are and what a great catalogue of songs they've amassed. Nice to see them gaining exposure to a younger audience too. Spotted Jez Williams of Sub Sub/Doves/Black Rivers fame in the crowd towards the middle of NO's set.

I'd already seen the NO set a number of times and - won't lie - am a little bored with the running order but that's to be expected if anyone does more than a few dates of any band's current tour. The band themselves seemed to be having a good time with Singularity, the Planet Funk WFTSC and Richard X BLT still sounding fresh and exciting to these ears; I think those are definitely my favourite "new" bits. Got down the front next to the German Order for the first few tracks and made an attempt to film the opening bars of Crystal; nearly lost my phone more than once so edged off to the side for the rest of the night. Lively crowd (!) a few of us gave the encore a miss and headed off to find food.

The venue has divided opinion and I'm sort of in the middle on that; the toilets were horrible and ridiculously limited (only 2 "non-VIP" portaloos on the left side of the stage) plus there were crowd concerns but I liked the fact it was so different to an ordinary venue. Not somewhere I'd like to go to for every band but an experience nonetheless.

Unbelievable to read that some fans were denied access for allegedly no good reason; anyone affected should definitely apply for their money back pronto.

I would suggest that opinion is not divided - look on NO FB page or the comments on Manchester Evening News - I have never seen so much negativity about a venue. It was genuinely unsafe, people including my wife were scared. We left after about 6 songs because it was no enjoyment and this, judging by comments on various social media, was not at all rare. We came down from the NE, having seen NO a number of times before from 1986 onwards and were generally excited. It costs about £300 for a weekend like that - tickets, hotel, petrol, beer etc. but should be well worth it. Its not at all about money its about the fact that we came home upset, tired and exceptionally disappointed. Having gone on footy terraces in the '70's I know about crowding and pushing and shoving but never had that at a gig. NO must be aware of the genuine fear that this night caused many people and really should make a comment - I wouldn't want my money back because enjoyment is never guaranteed but I think some acknowledgment is in order.

I think WHP works great as more of a club night when people are more spread across the two rooms and there's no rush to get to the front as it's only DJs on the stage... Clearly not great for live acts though. That said, I commend the band for trying to do something different, and I think it's unfair to direct ire at them, the blame is probably more on WHP organisers for not foreseeing what seem like quite obvious problems...

Fawdy wrote:

NotAMod wrote: As JG and a few other fans have pointed out you've got to commend them for trying something different and not simply booking two nights at an ordinary venue. Playing the WHP in a heaving, smoky, sweaty and barely lit underground car park certainly flies in the face of "old men promoting the album in a boring/safe manner".

I had tickets for both nights but ended up doing just the Sunday mainly because of ACR who I'd not seen for a couple of years now. They were predictably well worth the effort; it's easy to forget what a tight band they are and what a great catalogue of songs they've amassed. Nice to see them gaining exposure to a younger audience too. Spotted Jez Williams of Sub Sub/Doves/Black Rivers fame in the crowd towards the middle of NO's set.

I'd already seen the NO set a number of times and - won't lie - am a little bored with the running order but that's to be expected if anyone does more than a few dates of any band's current tour. The band themselves seemed to be having a good time with Singularity, the Planet Funk WFTSC and Richard X BLT still sounding fresh and exciting to these ears; I think those are definitely my favourite "new" bits. Got down the front next to the German Order for the first few tracks and made an attempt to film the opening bars of Crystal; nearly lost my phone more than once so edged off to the side for the rest of the night. Lively crowd (!) a few of us gave the encore a miss and headed off to find food.

The venue has divided opinion and I'm sort of in the middle on that; the toilets were horrible and ridiculously limited (only 2 "non-VIP" portaloos on the left side of the stage) plus there were crowd concerns but I liked the fact it was so different to an ordinary venue. Not somewhere I'd like to go to for every band but an experience nonetheless.

Unbelievable to read that some fans were denied access for allegedly no good reason; anyone affected should definitely apply for their money back pronto.

I would suggest that opinion is not divided - look on NO FB page or the comments on Manchester Evening News - I have never seen so much negativity about a venue. It was genuinely unsafe, people including my wife were scared. We left after about 6 songs because it was no enjoyment and this, judging by comments on various social media, was not at all rare. We came down from the NE, having seen NO a number of times before from 1986 onwards and were generally excited. It costs about £300 for a weekend like that - tickets, hotel, petrol, beer etc. but should be well worth it. Its not at all about money its about the fact that we came home upset, tired and exceptionally disappointed. Having gone on footy terraces in the '70's I know about crowding and pushing and shoving but never had that at a gig. NO must be aware of the genuine fear that this night caused many people and really should make a comment - I wouldn't want my money back because enjoyment is never guaranteed but I think some acknowledgment is in order.

Never experienced pushing and shoving at a gig? What gigs you been going to, John Denver?

You have obviously never seen New Order before. The Warehouse Project was tame compared to New Order circa 1985.

The promoters did kindly provide a telephone box:

SS WHP

Digi Mike wrote:

Fawdy wrote:

NotAMod wrote: As JG and a few other fans have pointed out you've got to commend them for trying something different and not simply booking two nights at an ordinary venue. Playing the WHP in a heaving, smoky, sweaty and barely lit underground car park certainly flies in the face of "old men promoting the album in a boring/safe manner".

I had tickets for both nights but ended up doing just the Sunday mainly because of ACR who I'd not seen for a couple of years now. They were predictably well worth the effort; it's easy to forget what a tight band they are and what a great catalogue of songs they've amassed. Nice to see them gaining exposure to a younger audience too. Spotted Jez Williams of Sub Sub/Doves/Black Rivers fame in the crowd towards the middle of NO's set.

I'd already seen the NO set a number of times and - won't lie - am a little bored with the running order but that's to be expected if anyone does more than a few dates of any band's current tour. The band themselves seemed to be having a good time with Singularity, the Planet Funk WFTSC and Richard X BLT still sounding fresh and exciting to these ears; I think those are definitely my favourite "new" bits. Got down the front next to the German Order for the first few tracks and made an attempt to film the opening bars of Crystal; nearly lost my phone more than once so edged off to the side for the rest of the night. Lively crowd (!) a few of us gave the encore a miss and headed off to find food.

The venue has divided opinion and I'm sort of in the middle on that; the toilets were horrible and ridiculously limited (only 2 "non-VIP" portaloos on the left side of the stage) plus there were crowd concerns but I liked the fact it was so different to an ordinary venue. Not somewhere I'd like to go to for every band but an experience nonetheless.

Unbelievable to read that some fans were denied access for allegedly no good reason; anyone affected should definitely apply for their money back pronto.

I would suggest that opinion is not divided - look on NO FB page or the comments on Manchester Evening News - I have never seen so much negativity about a venue. It was genuinely unsafe, people including my wife were scared. We left after about 6 songs because it was no enjoyment and this, judging by comments on various social media, was not at all rare. We came down from the NE, having seen NO a number of times before from 1986 onwards and were generally excited. It costs about £300 for a weekend like that - tickets, hotel, petrol, beer etc. but should be well worth it. Its not at all about money its about the fact that we came home upset, tired and exceptionally disappointed. Having gone on footy terraces in the '70's I know about crowding and pushing and shoving but never had that at a gig. NO must be aware of the genuine fear that this night caused many people and really should make a comment - I wouldn't want my money back because enjoyment is never guaranteed but I think some acknowledgment is in order.

Never experienced pushing and shoving at a gig? What gigs you been going to, John Denver?

You have obviously never seen New Order before. The Warehouse Project was tame compared to New Order circa 1985.

Don't be silly. As I said I've seen NO plenty of times. I've seen the Jam in 1979. I saw the Sex Pistols a few years ago in Brixton. They were all lively, raucous gigs. I've never been to such a poor venue or one as unsafe. It's pretty clear they have a safety limit for two rooms. When everyone is crammed into one room there's no way the HSE would say it was safe. We left after about six songs and there others doing that. Social media suggest there were many people who were genuinely fearful and unhappy at the gig. I and they are not John Denver fans and to suggest so is pretty infantile.

Fawdy wrote:

Digi Mike wrote:

Fawdy wrote:

NotAMod wrote: As JG and a few other fans have pointed out you've got to commend them for trying something different and not simply booking two nights at an ordinary venue. Playing the WHP in a heaving, smoky, sweaty and barely lit underground car park certainly flies in the face of "old men promoting the album in a boring/safe manner".

I had tickets for both nights but ended up doing just the Sunday mainly because of ACR who I'd not seen for a couple of years now. They were predictably well worth the effort; it's easy to forget what a tight band they are and what a great catalogue of songs they've amassed. Nice to see them gaining exposure to a younger audience too. Spotted Jez Williams of Sub Sub/Doves/Black Rivers fame in the crowd towards the middle of NO's set.

I'd already seen the NO set a number of times and - won't lie - am a little bored with the running order but that's to be expected if anyone does more than a few dates of any band's current tour. The band themselves seemed to be having a good time with Singularity, the Planet Funk WFTSC and Richard X BLT still sounding fresh and exciting to these ears; I think those are definitely my favourite "new" bits. Got down the front next to the German Order for the first few tracks and made an attempt to film the opening bars of Crystal; nearly lost my phone more than once so edged off to the side for the rest of the night. Lively crowd (!) a few of us gave the encore a miss and headed off to find food.

The venue has divided opinion and I'm sort of in the middle on that; the toilets were horrible and ridiculously limited (only 2 "non-VIP" portaloos on the left side of the stage) plus there were crowd concerns but I liked the fact it was so different to an ordinary venue. Not somewhere I'd like to go to for every band but an experience nonetheless.

Unbelievable to read that some fans were denied access for allegedly no good reason; anyone affected should definitely apply for their money back pronto.

I would suggest that opinion is not divided - look on NO FB page or the comments on Manchester Evening News - I have never seen so much negativity about a venue. It was genuinely unsafe, people including my wife were scared. We left after about 6 songs because it was no enjoyment and this, judging by comments on various social media, was not at all rare. We came down from the NE, having seen NO a number of times before from 1986 onwards and were generally excited. It costs about £300 for a weekend like that - tickets, hotel, petrol, beer etc. but should be well worth it. Its not at all about money its about the fact that we came home upset, tired and exceptionally disappointed. Having gone on footy terraces in the '70's I know about crowding and pushing and shoving but never had that at a gig. NO must be aware of the genuine fear that this night caused many people and really should make a comment - I wouldn't want my money back because enjoyment is never guaranteed but I think some acknowledgment is in order.

Never experienced pushing and shoving at a gig? What gigs you been going to, John Denver?

You have obviously never seen New Order before. The Warehouse Project was tame compared to New Order circa 1985.

Don't be silly. As I said I've seen NO plenty of times. I've seen the Jam in 1979. I saw the Sex Pistols a few years ago in Brixton. They were all lively, raucous gigs. I've never been to such a poor venue or one as unsafe. It's pretty clear they have a safety limit for two rooms. When everyone is crammed into one room there's no way the HSE would say it was safe. We left after about six songs and there others doing that. Social media suggest there were many people who were genuinely fearful and unhappy at the gig. I and they are not John Denver fans and to suggest so is pretty infantile.

I respect your opinion. it was quite tame to me, sorry you only lasted 6 tracks, it must have been approved by HSE or else they would not get a licence. One of the best New Order gigs in recent years. If people wanna sit in the circle at a venue and watch a gig fair play (not a dig at you), but like the atmosphere (no pun) at the front(ish).

whilst it was a great NO performance I agree with the comments about feeling unsafe at the venue, I have been going to n.o gigs since 88 (hence the name!) and this is the first time I have felt in danger, i was near the mixing desk on sun before the band came on it felt really unsafe. i urge anybody who felt the same to report venue to manchester licensing , fire brigade and police. I have. If enough people complain something will be done. What are the band and the management saying about this???

Ahhh , how so clever funny and wonderfully quick witted is Bernard . hooky must have had an accident then and there , --- all this in reference to previous joke about a dog ,about 10 posts back which is the best joke I have heard from/ about dear old Bernard

Has there been a release of the live songs from the 93 montreaux show ? A best of live release featuring their best live versions of about 35 career songs would be most welcome

I respect your opinion. it was quite tame to me, sorry you only lasted 6 tracks, it must have been approved by HSE or else they would not get a licence. One of the best New Order gigs in recent years. If people wanna sit in the circle at a venue and watch a gig fair play (not a dig at you), but like the atmosphere (no pun) at the front(ish).

Last word from me: It seems that certain areas weren't too bad - probably at the front was better. Where we were there were a lot of surges, like the old footy terraces but with nothing to stop them. You had to concentrate to stay on your feet. Its nowt to do with be an old fogey or preferring the circle - there were two young girls in front of us who describes it as f****** ridiculous and then moved off. If someone had lost their feet in such a surge the crowd would have gone over the top of them - I am surprised that there weren't serious injuries or worse. It also seems obvious that the club has a capacity limit for two rooms - when one is empty the other one becomes way over capacity from an HSE point of view. Had there been a serious accident or worse the comment would have been 'how can this happen in 2015'. I've been going to gigs since 1979 and never, ever before felt unsafe - my wife was close to tears. I know that social media an distort things but Ive never seen such concerns raised on here or on FB by so many people - if NO aren't concerned by the amount of negative comments then Im surprised. NO are probably my favourite band and I love the new album but I enjoyed nothing about Saturday. You were clearly lucky to be at the front and not feeling unsafe - I'm pleased you enjoyed it. Had you been where we were I don't think you would have the same view. End of rant.

Then again the same old story...(in a different place):

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