London, England - Alexandra Palace - 09.11.2018
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Unexpected. Not the easiest venue to get to and being London it’s train and hotel so an expensive night out, however I will probably go![[:)]](/emoticons/smile.gif){kind=small}
Or at least tr6 and get tickets, pre sale? Anyone knows
The date on the title of this thread is misleading. The gig is actually on 9th November, not 11th September.
Not going to bother going to this , I've been to Alexandra Palace for a few concerts previously, its a pain to get to, the main room is a horrible, soulless giant space (for want of a better word) and the queueing for bars and toilets is a nightmare. I'll wait to see what happens next year.
Yeah, the venue isn’t the best sound wise and I much prefer a smaller venue.
However, it is an impressive building and location.
I’m going to try and get a ticket. Why not, eh?
Didn’t go to the NYE 98 gig there but was in London that night which was quite a frustrating experience.
Only time I’ve been to the place was NYE 96 to see Orbital though we didn’t have tickets but somehow got in through a back window ! Yep it’s a bloody big cavernous space. Nice setting though.
Seem to recall the that night afterwards there were buses laid on for travel back to central London etc
Fotzepolitic wrote: The date on the title of this thread is misleading. The gig is actually on 9th November, not 11th September.
Fuck.
I've been following that date format that I've seen on the site not knowing it was incorrect.
What took you so long?
Andy wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote: The date on the title of this thread is misleading. The gig is actually on 9th November, not 11th September.
Fuck.
I've been following that date format that I've seen on the site not knowing it was incorrect.
What took you so long?
Well you are American, so it's not wrong for you. Also as it starts with the year it kinda makes sense: year, month, day. If the year had been listed at the end, then it definitely would have looked like 11th of September from a UK point of view. I think the thread starter can change the title bits anyway, can't they?
As for the gig: I would have liked them to take the MIF thing not only to Turin but other places such as London. Perhaps a couple of nights at a smaller venue like Kentish Town Forum, or the Roundhouse. This gig will be pretty similar to the Music Complete gigs with two or three track changes, and nothing new to promote. Fifty quid a ticket, Hmm...
Debaser wrote:
and nothing new to promote.
Well they might have a box set to promote, christmas isn't far round the corner.Not that i know of any news about the mooted box set, i'm just being optimistic. Though I guess if any box set was to be released before the end of this year it would have been announced by now.
NME (or maybe Melanie Maker) said the Temptation gigs were formula after Manchester's 'pressure cooker'. The box set was mass debated at http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=3429#post23211 - I can't believe there's anything we stil ''need''.
Michael Monkhouse wrote: I can't believe there's anything we stil ''need''.
The Happy One, unedited. As Hook's performance on The Other Side Of Midnight showed, we've only ever heard a small fraction of it.
And per the other thread, I'd love the Decades documentary paired with a full performance from MIF as a DVD set.
Still got the Temptation flyer postcard from Reading 98 (in footwell of rear seat in car at present as fell off pin board during a move in January). Alexandra Palace was pretty good and only third time I'd seen them but the first indoors. Presume they played the main hall? Remember it being quite small although field versus room might explain that Thought the other week after reading about American gigs it would be good to see them again so will be in for this.
Bagged mine to, making a habit of seeing NO at least once a year now. Well you never know how long there’re going to be around for, tick tock
The missus bought me 2 tickets for the Alli Pali gig for my birthday (today). She sure knows a lot for a girl.
If I can’t find anyone to drag along, she says she’ll go. But I don’t think it will be her cup of tea as she says “I don’t think I even know one of their songs!”.
Should I educate her or badger a mate to go?😆🧐
The missus bought me 2 tickets for the Alli Pali gig for my birthday (today). She sure knows a lot for a girl.
If I can’t find anyone to drag along, she says she’ll go. But I don’t think it will be her cup of tea as she says “I don’t think I even know one of their songs!”.
Should I educate her or badger a mate to go?😆🧐
is it bro wrote: The missus bought me 2 tickets for the Alli Pali gig for my birthday (today). She sure knows a lot for a girl.
If I can’t find anyone to drag along, she says she’ll go. But I don’t think it will be her cup of tea as she says “I don’t think I even know one of their songs!”.
Should I educate her or badger a mate to go?😆🧐
I'll come with you ![[;)]](/emoticons/wink.gif){kind=small}
Thanks for the offer but I found another new order mate to come.
Looking forward to it. Not seen the order since 2005 at Brixton. Will be interesting to see if they’re much different without Hooky but with Gillian.
Hoping they play a more random set list. Would love to hear round and round, the village, this time of night, dream attack, touched by the hand of god for example.
is it bro wrote: Thanks for the offer but I found another new order mate to come.
Looking forward to it. Not seen the order since 2005 at Brixton. Will be interesting to see if they’re much different without Hooky but with Gillian.
Hoping they play a more random set list. Would love to hear round and round, the village, this time of night, dream attack, touched by the hand of god for example.
Enjoy!
I'm still looking for a ticket if anyone has a last minute spare they need to offload!
Thank God I didn't book for this and end up trying to pass the ticket on - going to Brighton to see Johnny Marr at the Brighton Dome the same night.
matt_paradise wrote:
is it bro wrote: Thanks for the offer but I found another new order mate to come.
Looking forward to it. Not seen the order since 2005 at Brixton. Will be interesting to see if they’re much different without Hooky but with Gillian.
Hoping they play a more random set list. Would love to hear round and round, the village, this time of night, dream attack, touched by the hand of god for example.
Enjoy!
I'm still looking for a ticket if anyone has a last minute spare they need to offload!
Someone advertised spare ticket on main board 2 days ago. Be lucky
Whether NO actually will be on stage at 8.30pm remains to be seen, but that's the official start time. Don't get caught out.
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Off to ,London in an hour with wife... tapas wine beer NewOrder stop over...doesn’t get any better unless they surprise us with a new song!
is it bro wrote: Thanks for the offer but I found another new order mate to come.
Looking forward to it. Not seen the order since 2005 at Brixton. Will be interesting to see if they’re much different without Hooky but with Gillian.
Hoping they play a more random set list. Would love to hear round and round, the village, this time of night, dream attack, touched by the hand of god for example.
Great gig tonight. Didn’t play any of my wish list songs but nice to hear Ultraviolence and Vanishing Point and Subculture.
Barney was on fine voice and my only negative was there was a bit too much joy division songs played (including the entire encore).
Got to the venue at 2030. We missed the Start. I was expecting them to come on after 9pm. We was at the back to the left. Behind these girls who kept talking during the first half of the concert. Barny vocals sounded good. Love vigilantes was a nice surprise. Highlights for me. Subculture vanishing point bizarre love traingle perfect kiss temptation. I wish they would drop waiting for the sirens call. It felt out of place and dragged on. Can't believe they played atmosphere again. They always seem to play that at Brixton. I really want them to play here to stay or mr disco. I wish they would drop the joy division songs although decades sounded amazing even with barney getting the lyrics
Had to miss out this one due to the unforeseen circumstances. Never been to Ally Pally, one venue I have for a long time hoped to visit and experience a gig there, even though unpopular among the concert-goers. Sounds like a cracking show. Found this comment on setlist.fm, “Best performance I’ve seen from new order” — was it that good?
Was a good gig. Both audience and band seemed to be enjoying it.
I too wish they’d do less JD songs too (although Decades was spectacular). I just get a bit annoyed that LWTUA is played like a rock anthem, a la Wonderwall. It’s an immensely personal song and should be more downbeat. I don’t want to hear ‘whoops’, ‘come on’ etc.
Minor niggle though. The band were awesome. Always nice to hear Love Vigilantes (I think I’ve only personally seen them play it once before). Regret and Crystal back in the set. Great to hear Academic, which I hadn’t experienced before.
Personal highlights for me were the afore-mentioned Love Vigilantes and Decades. Plus Temptation sounded brilliant, as did Blue Monday booming out. Vanishing Point too, obviously.
Finally, although I’m not a massive fan of BLT (I’ve heard it once too many times), I always think it sounds fantastic live.
The Japanese One wrote: Had to miss out this one due to the unforeseen circumstances. Never been to Ally Pally, one venue I have for a long time hoped to visit and experience a gig there, even though unpopular among the concert-goers. Sounds like a cracking show. Found this comment on setlist.fm, “Best performance I’ve seen from new order” — was it that good?
It was technically very good. Maybe too good - I kind of miss Barney fucking things up (although he did mess up the lyrics to Decades, as mentioned above). :-) There was always the risk, back in the day, that the band were either awesome or terrible-but-still-awesome depending on their mood / technical problems / size of the backstage rider. Nowadays things are a bit more polished.
What I will say is that it was probably the happiest I’d ever seen the band. Although there wasn’t much banter, there really seemed like an enthusiastic energy about them. Tom and Phil seemed to be loving it. Barney too.
The crowd seemed to really love the energy and it was also probably the best response from a crowd I’ve seen in the modern age of the band.
A great night. Glad I went. Long train journey home now.
The Japanese One wrote: Found this comment on setlist.fm, “Best performance I’ve seen from new order” — was it that good?
It was certainly very slick. And long.
kcspurs wrote: Got to the venue at 2030. We missed the Start. I was expecting them to come on after 9pm.
I tried to warn y'all on this very thread!
Further Debaser thoughts & musings:
That setlist went up really quickly. Maybe someone was doing it on their phone at the gig? Those tracks took over two hours to perform: 8.30pm to 10.45.
Having missed the MIF gigs, I was thrilled to get Subculture and Vanishing Point in the setlist. Not entirely surprised, but thrilled. My first ever experience of those ones live.
This may sound obvious, but it really is so much better at the gig than when you watch back on Youtube etc. I moan about Bernard's vocal stylings on here sometimes but was pretty happy with him last night. There may be no need for Youtube clips of last night though, as there were professional cameras at the gig. Both on tripod and shoulder mounted in the crowd. The question now is: where do we see the recorded results? I think the days of Live DVDs are fading away. Amazon or Apple Music exclusive perhaps?
Vanishing Point had a different ending to the MIF (or Technique) version. Either that or the acoustics were weird were I was! Blue Monday sounded different (from 2015) to me too . Specifically the bit at around 4.48 on the record - the little bassy synth 'solo'. Unless that was also the acoustics?
True Faith no longer has the "Perfecto" piano. When did they drop that?
Double Decker london busses with NEW ORDER on the front are the best busses!
PEOPLE TALKING!
kcspurs wrote: Behind these girls who kept talking during the first half of the concert.
It wasn't just behind you, it was almost impossible to get away from. I honestly think some people just go to these things because it's "an event", and one of their friends suggested it. Or they know two songs: TF and BM, and they're just waiting for those. The rest of the time they want to talk. They don't know the songs and they're not interested in listening. Alas, you can't instruct a sizable portion of the crowd to shut up (unless you're on stage wth a mic) so you have to suffer it. It was the one thing that pissed me off during Subculture and VP. I wanted to drink them in, not listen to to some Spanish people yammering away at a million miles an hour. Grr!!! 😈
I miss the days when more people bought records and less people went to gigs. The tickets were cheaper and those who went were there because they were into the band, not because they have disposable income that they don't know what to do with.
Rant over.
Disorder totally got me in the mood for JD last night. I'm not sure the rest of the crowd agreed, but I was absolutely loving that track and it made me want some more guitary/human sounding tacks. However what we got from tracks 8 through to 18 was incredibly slick and synthy. A lot of those synths were, I presume pre-programmed. So the complete opposite to the very humanly-played Disorder. I mean obviously the songs were brilliant NO songs and a lot of good work has been done in the programming - hence the slick sound, but as Perspex Orange suggests, there's not much room for human fuck ups here.
Tom's Bass: is it sounding less Hook-like (in tone) on the old NO songs than when he first started, or is that just my imagination?
At least when we did get to TF,BM and Temptation, everyone seemed to join in. Even the 'casuals'. Imagine if it had been like that for the whole gig! [But some people actually left between BM and Temptation. Pastic Fans! - no not the song] Temptation even got the "oohs" going in a way I haven't heard for a long time now. Better than Brixton 2015, that's for sure.
And then we got the JD encore. Quite frankly I was happy to see the 'casuals' piss off. BYYEEE! It felt like just genuine music fans were there for the final three songs. And again I was totally in the mood for JD and it felt like a nice change from all that slickness.
Ian imagery: I have mixed feeling on this. On the one hand it sort of puts him on stage with the rest of the band. On the other hand, it perhaps turns him into a T-shirt icon. And I still think the "Joy Division forever" thing is just CORNY (to use a Bernard expression).
As for the venue, unless you live in North London it's a pain to get to, but a reward when you do. Lovely space, great views of the city, and it offers some room to dance (unless you were squashed down the front - which Bernard showed some concern for). I like the intimacy of Brixton Academy but 2015 was so packed you couldn't move.
Overall: good gig as long as you like things slick. Eyes peeled for the video.
^ I've tried to edit my comments about True Faith above, but the forum is giving me that daft "SPAM" message. So my edit was going to say: Listening to the NOMC 2015 version of TF, the piano was gone by then.
Oh also, Bus:
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Mrs Cunningham I believe. About ten seconds in you can see one of the pro camera guys.
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Lots more clips and pics on twitter. In fact "New Order" was a top 5 trend on twitter when I went to bed last night, along with #NewOrderAllyPally.
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Debaser wrote:
Ian imagery: I have mixed feeling on this. On the one hand it sort of puts him on stage with the rest of the band. On the other hand, it perhaps turns him into a T-shirt icon. And I still think the "Joy Division forever" thing is just CORNY (to use a Bernard expression).
I have mixed feelings about this too. I think it’s a bit overdone and I think they should scale it back a little. Just show the Atmosphere video (with it’s shots of Ian), like they do, during the performance of that song. But to keep showing various images throughout the JD numbers feels a little OTT and forced.
It also smacks a little of ‘hagiolatry’ (word of the day, folks!).
As regards talking, there wasn’t much by me thankfully. What did bloody annoy me though was the tallest guy in the audience, initially standing next to me, then gravitated later in the gig to directly in front of me.
And then he wouldn’t keep his head still. I was trying to peer around him, but he literally kept moving every 5 seconds or so, for no bloody reason. It also didn’t help that a guy just off to his right (and partially obscuring my vision when Mr Tall was moving his head) had the BIGGEST HAIR for an old guy I’d ever seen. He was probably only 5ft10, but his wispy hair added a good 4 inches.
Oh, and the other highly annoying thing is having to watch half the gig through everybody’s bloody camera phones.
Grrr.
I quite like watching some of the more “professionally” filmed amateur stuff on YouTube and I know that I wouldn’t get this without people using camera phones. However, what I would like to say to the majority of people is, ‘don’t bother filming. Enjoy the gig and wait until somebody who was in a prime spot down the front uploads the whole song(s) to YouTube.’ Mostly these other people just randomly film 30 seconds anyway.
I sound like a right miserable bastard.
The double decker bus thing is great.
As regards the pro cameras you mention, Debaser, there was at least one at the Jodrell Bank gig July 2013.One a long boom that kept swinging out over the audience at the front at that gig.I thought at the time great, they're filming it as it's quite a unique gig in a really special venue with the visuals projected onto the giant telescope.But no footage has ever surfaced.
Yeah all that Joy Division Forever stuff on the video screens i've seen at previous gigs is a bit OTT.
It was fantastic last night. Bernard seemed in a very good mood and his voice sounded the best I’ve heard it. Great atmosphere. Loved Decades and Disorder from the JD songs but could do without atmosphere and especially LWTAU. The sound I thought was really good at the venue and although a sell out still room to dance. The songs that survived the MiF all sounded superb (vp, ultra violence, subculture) glad Academic made it back in the set. Hard to pick a stand out moment all superb. Even some of the NO tracks I’ve got a bit bored of hearing sounded fresh such as blue Monday. Really glad I went another superb NO gig.
Here’s hoping, as they all seem to be getting on so well, we get some new music next year.
Fotzepolitic wrote: The double decker bus thing is great.
As regards the pro cameras you mention, Debaser, there was at least one at the Jodrell Bank gig July 2013.One a long boom that kept swinging out over the audience at the front at that gig.I thought at the time great, they're filming it as it's quite a unique gig in a really special venue with the visuals projected onto the giant telescope.But no footage has ever surfaced.
Yeah all that Joy Division Forever stuff on the video screens i've seen at previous gigs is a bit OTT.
a little bit of jodrell bank has
lee wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote: The double decker bus thing is great.
As regards the pro cameras you mention, Debaser, there was at least one at the Jodrell Bank gig July 2013.One a long boom that kept swinging out over the audience at the front at that gig.I thought at the time great, they're filming it as it's quite a unique gig in a really special venue with the visuals projected onto the giant telescope.But no footage has ever surfaced.
Yeah all that Joy Division Forever stuff on the video screens i've seen at previous gigs is a bit OTT.
a little bit of jodrell bank has
Well well well.Never seen or been aware of that before! They kept that quiet! Thanks.
Fotzepolitic wrote:
As regards the pro cameras you mention, Debaser, there was at least one at the Jodrell Bank gig July 2013.One a long boom that kept swinging out over the audience at the front at that gig.I thought at the time great, they're filming it as it's quite a unique gig in a really special venue with the visuals projected onto the giant telescope.But no footage has ever surfaced.
On the one hand: Oh dear. On the other hand: Gillian retweeted this reply from director Mike Christie today:
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Edit: Mike Christie directed the Sky Decades thing which...did see the light of day. Makes me wonder if this gig might be packaged with Decades and sold in some shape or form.
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Bernard still made the obligatory cock ups. He ALWAYS comes in too early for the guitar riff half way through True Faith, he came in half way through “and they gave it away, like in whistle down the wind” on VP, I’m sure in subculture he sang the line “I like walking in my sleep”.
Also, holding the mic out to the crowd to sing he chorus to BLT didn’t really work it seemed. Nor does holding the mic near to Phil or Tom guitar/bass while they play (the sound comes out of speakers, not the stings doh!).
As mentioned by someone else, the YouTube clips don’t really tell the story. Bernard’s vocals were pretty spot on in the live arena. And some great use of effects I thought (eg ultraviolence) to enhance them.
Yeah - I think you’re right about the slight errors on VP and Sub-Culture. I noticed them too but forgot all about them.
Nothing too serious though. I remember one gig where they had to completely restart Guilty Partner (or abandon it entirely; my memory has faded).
perspexorange wrote: Yeah - I think you’re right about the slight errors on VP and Sub-Culture. I noticed them too but forgot all about them.
Nothing too serious though. I remember one gig where they had to completely restart Guilty Partner (or abandon it entirely; my memory has faded).
hats
That was MEN ARENA 98 as I recall.
Digi Mike wrote:
perspexorange wrote: Yeah - I think you’re right about the slight errors on VP and Sub-Culture. I noticed them too but forgot all about them.
Nothing too serious though. I remember one gig where they had to completely restart Guilty Partner (or abandon it entirely; my memory has faded).
hats
That was MEN ARENA 98 as I recall.
Yup. Re-started and played in full.
Audio of 3 tracks I recorded:
https://soundcloud.com/user-110079551/new-order-live-subculture
And some videos I uploaded:
Cracking gig!
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★★★★★ Are New Order the most important British band of the past 40 years? They’ve outlasted the Smiths, their local rivals, and haven’t burnt bridges, as Morrissey has; they have a stronger back catalogue than Oasis or the Stone Roses, two other Manchester giants; and they have thrived through more eras than Radiohead, joining the dots between punk and acid house.
Plus, in Bernard Sumner they have a frontman who has been a mainstay of three of our finest groups: Joy Division, New Order and Electronic. Yes, his voice is still a funny old thing, wavering at times, underpowered at others. It’s almost like an old bluesman’s voice, though — the flaws make it more stylish and more affecting. A human counterpoint to the pristine power of the band, who filled the sometimes unforgiving space of Alexandra Palace quite magnificently.
Gone are the surly days when New Order would play with their backs to the audience. Here they lapped up the love and returned it. Sumner said he felt as if he had reverse Tourette’s (“I can’t stop thanking people”), while Stephen Morris’s drumming was as laser-precise as ever and the bassist Tom Chapman ably filled the swaggering space left by Peter Hook. The original bassist has settled his legal disputes with the band and poignantly put some of his memorabilia up for sale last week.
Sumner et al, meanwhile, are re-energised. The songs from their most recent album, Music Complete, their first without Hook, stood up impressively against their classics, especially Tutti Frutti, with its funk bassline and Haçienda piano. The last hour, though, was packed with electronic crowd-pleasers from their imperial period, several beefed up and extended like 12in remixes. Subculture and Bizarre Love Triangle (which even had the bar staff singing along) were followed by an epic, stripped-down True Faith; Blue Monday, on which Sumner joined Gillian Gilbert on keyboards; and a transcendent Temptation.
The encore was all Joy Division: Atmosphere, Decades, Love Will Tear Us Apart. Cue harrumphing from some purists, still apparently mourning Ian Curtis. Are these astonishing songs really never to be sung again? If Paul McCartney can do A Hard Day’s Night, surely Sumner can do Love Will Tear Us Apart. He co-wrote it, after all, and he sang it here with dark elan.
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Hooky-selling-his-stuff news on the forum. No one cares?
^Thankyou for posting that review, Debaser. Or as Bernard might say ..kyou.
Had to google “elan” though to clarify it. Never heard a description of Bernard’s singing as a with a “ dark elan” before.
uncountable nounIf you say that someone does something with élan, you mean that they do it in an energetic and confident way.[literary]This small part was taken with elan by a promising young tenor. with élan, you mean that they do it in an energetic and confident way.[literary]This small part was taken with elan by a promising young tenor”
I didn’t know he was selling any new order. There was a leaflet handed out at The light gig in Manchester about an auction house but I thought that was JD only. Will search the web now
Let"s hope 2019 brings a tour of several more songs not played for years , and maybe an intermission, with two sets of maybe 13- 20 songs per set, and a new release of new songs , and meanwhile Peter tours T and R all over the USA Like PF ,it is actually a blessing to get two bands touring , and who knows, maybe while Bernard takes a few months to write lyrics for a new cd , Tom and Phil and Steven and Gillian could try a little fun tour for a bit , playing even more songs with tapes of Bernard singing ,or they all sing, 4 part harmonies . PF and NO really are the best bands ever.. What a time to be alive and in love. Cheers
is it bro wrote: Audio of 3 tracks I recorded:
https://soundcloud.com/user-110079551/new-order-live-subculture
And some videos I uploaded:
Cracking gig!
Thanks for the Wonderful videos and Audio, It would have been Amazing to be at the Concert, hope they come out with some new stuff next year and Tour
50 Pound Note wrote:
Michael Monkhouse wrote: I can't believe there's anything we stil ''need''.
The Happy One, unedited. As Hook's performance on The Other Side Of Midnight showed, we've only ever heard a small fraction of it.
Also the full Cuntrol instrumentals, but...
Full show release on multiple formats in April 2021 https://twitter.com/neworder/status/1325860957910929408
