Uk 2023 tour

I understand the various attitudes fans have, and they're certainly all valid.

My attitude is that, at this point, you never know if it will have been your last opportunity. FOMO was certainly a factor when going to New Orleans in March. I should have been satisfied from the three gigs I did last year but you never know... Thoughts of not going to the Miami residency before COVID hit still haunted me.

And when I say last opportunity, I mean someone in the band just might not be up for it next time. And let's hope it's their decision and not a health issue that decides it. I hate to think that way but admit it could be a factor at this stage in Bernard, Gillian and Stephen's lives.

Well, i may be more inclined to attend one of the gigs if they released a new song or two. Maybe a single with a great b side. Or an EP of 4 songs.I don't expect or think they'll do a whole album.New material seems unlikely at this stage though. I feel tapebias makes a good point in that a lot , though not all, of their motivation to record and release Music Complete was to get one over and back on Hooky.

Sheesh. Well, I managed to get 3 standing tickets with the Three pre-sale for Leeds. I had to borrow a Three phone from someone , and the code they could generate could only be used once. (I wanted to go back in and buy seats for some friends too, which I couldn't get the system to accept at the same time as the standing tickets: but I couldn't.)

I feel the price is sharply more than when I saw them recently (checks notes... oh, 2012. I haven't even seen Music Complete songs yet!). I'm not sure what's changed in their stature exactly but so it goes. I didn't catch MiF which looked incredible and everything post-MiF seems a little inspired by it.

FWIW, there were £45 seated tickets available in the pre-sale for Leeds, but they were in the Gods.

With much of their peak money making years happening under the financial black hole that was Factory; and not really making all that much of the music industries ridiculous financial peak either; I'd say they aren't *that* rich - and probably would have given up touring if they were.

New material would be nice, but I never really took to MC in the first place...

Compared to many of you, I clearly fall on the side of giving the band more slack in regards to the setlists and how it pertains to value for money, etc.

But don't think I can't empathize with you. I'm going through it right now with Echo & the Bunnymen. I love that band, and have been seeing them live just as long as I have New Order (same day and gig in 1987). Although I've seen them fewer times than New Order, memories of their gigs are vague because the set structure, if not the actual setlists have remained remarkably similar over the last 10 years or so. It's actually rare when they don't open a gig with "Going Up". And I think I've mentioned that the official Twitter account blocked me when I suggested their "Nothing Lasts Forever" medley might need a rest.

I saw them last Fall and granted, Ian was recoving from COVID. But it was hardly any different than the last 5 gigs of theirs I'd seen (other than the fact that Ian sat on a stool the whole time and the set was shorter). Why am I bringing this up? They're playing a gig only about 65 miles away from me in Saratoga next month. I know odds are it won't be drastically different, but it could very well be my last opportunity to see them. Tickets are $89.50 so figure well over 100 quid with fees. Should I save my money and vacation time (I'm seeing The Sisters of Mercy the same week), or hope for a gig to remember? The Mountain Winery is a lovely venue, it could be inspiring...

Wow, don't some folk act incredibly defensive when you point out that, irrespective of band history or whatever, something is actually quite expensive.

I guess some people wouldn't say shit if their mouths were full of it.

Personally, I'm done with Arenas and Festivals; switching between watching a dot on the horizon and a huge TV.

I'd happily do the Castlefield Bowl / MIF (equivalent) / Apollo / Olympia sized gigs if they chose to do them.

I'm happy to pay more to see Neworder than any other band. I refuse to be ripped off as a point of principle but that has a different definition when it comes to Neworder.

What it comes down to is one person might feel "They're charging too much for the same old thing, I'm losing interest", and another "They're charging too much, I need to put my money towards more necessary things". Neither will go, but it's definitely more frustrating for the latter.

Has anything gone down in price post-COVID? Some things are justified but too many seem to be purely motivated by greed. It seems companies feel as long as there is enough people than can afford something, they'll keep the price as high as possible, fair or not. I think when it comes down to ticket pricing complaints, it's not fair to direct them squarely at the band. Ticketing agencies have always been horrible, but now the venues, and band management (and whoever else gets a cut) want in on the gravy train. Did they not just announce a new management structure in January?

Complaints about static setlists and performances however, are fair game. But were those early eighties gigs short and without encores purely based on the band's principles? I would argue it was partially down to an early indication of a lazy streak...

Well after my moaning found out as a treat my good lady has arranged for a trip to Copenhagen for a short city break. Same time as new order are there so myself and daughter are now going! First time I’ve ever seen new order abroad so now excited, I now know how a Viking feels.

Brixton Academy already looked like it wouldn't be available for this tour time schedule; it almost definitely won't be now:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/25/met-police-calls-for-brixton-academys-license-to-be-revoked

This will probably be part of why the O2 was chosen.

They've taken out a full page ad in the latest issue of Mojo to let the world now that them and Confidence Man are going on tour, which is more than they've done on the last few UK tours (not that there are many places to put printed adverts these days, this was my last issue of Mojo, I used to subscribe to Q and when that closed down, the subscription transferred over to Mojo and I lasted a year before realising it is the same old shit bands every month and cancelled, unfortunately I did so after they renewed it so I had another twelve months to come to terms with the depth of my error).

For those that want to investigate, there is also a tiny bit near the back about the show they did at Dublin Point in 1993, with a photo of Bernard, Stephen and Gillian alongside it (no idea why they couldn't find one with Peter) and how they didn't play any shows after Reading for five years after that but you can go into a Smiths and read both in less than a couple of minutes, not worth paying for it.

I'm on the mailing list for leeds arena and quite a few gigs there end up 2 for 1 i think new order's will end up the same tbh

Stephen and Gillian are going to be on Radio 6 next Wednesday morning to 'talk about the tour' which given it doesn't start until late September is making me think ticket sales haven't gone as well as planned?

Ken Doherty wrote:

Stephen and Gillian are going to be on Radio 6 next Wednesday morning to 'talk about the tour' which given it doesn't start until late September is making me think ticket sales haven't gone as well as planned?

I'm a bit surprised they've not announced more gigs surrounding the Darker Waves date. And not necessarily in the US. Mexico and South America have been a bit neglected of late. Primavera Sound Buenos Aires recently added Pet Shop Boys...

Ken Doherty wrote:

Stephen and Gillian are going to be on Radio 6 next Wednesday morning to 'talk about the tour' which given it doesn't start until late September is making me think ticket sales haven't gone as well as planned?

Caught int. just now.

They said there will be a Substance reissue expanded and to include live versions except Shellshock because they couldn't find a good live recording of it.

Stephen says he'll be doing a third book.

Stephen had Covid duribg the Porto gig in June and the power kept cutting out?

Fotz wrote:

Ken Doherty wrote:

Stephen and Gillian are going to be on Radio 6 next Wednesday morning to 'talk about the tour' which given it doesn't start until late September is making me think ticket sales haven't gone as well as planned?

Caught int. just now.

They said there will be a Substance reissue expanded and to include live versions except Shellshock because they couldn't find a good live recording of it.

Stephen says he'll be doing a third book.

Stephen had Covid duribg the Porto gig in June and the power kept cutting out?

Ah yes, Lauren Laverne's show covered by Huw Stephens here at 1hr,6mins (to 1hr,21)

So Stephen discovered he had Covid two tracks into the gig? Hmm, I'm not sure how that works. Perhaps he did a test after the gig and realised that's why he was struggling?

And Gillian was also really ill during lockdown. Was that Covid as well? I remember when she fell down the stairs and ended up in Macclesfield hospital (as per this) but that was after the various UK lockdowns.

Good news that they're actively working on an expanded Substance. Perhaps this might reassure those who have been speculating here. The bad news that we can perhaps extrapolate is that they pobably haven't been working on new music during this lull.

Re: Shellshock Gillian on live versions of Shellshock "we said, lets do it like the record...If you listen to it now, it's completely bobbins -the order". I think she means the structure of the recording. Gillian: "John Robie was quite a character" Stephen "yes we'll just leave it there". Do they...sort of agree with Hooky on the subject of Robie?

Sorry for not posting link. I was in a rush on break at work and posting from phone.

I'm wondering now if Stephen slipped up saying a Substance expanded reissue and actually meant to say Brotherhood?

Great little interview with the both of them.

As I say every time, Steve is just a joy to listen to. He is a mine of info regarding New Order minutiae and just sounds like great fun to be around. Would love to meet the pair of them at some point.

Also, fab to hear Shellshock, rather than the obvious stuff (TF, BM, LWTUA, Regret etc.). It's always been a particular favourite of mine and I was glad it was resurrected for the MiF gigs. I always felt, before then, that the band were disowning both Shellshock and Sub-culture. Glad they obviously like them both

Was curious to what Stephen would write about in a third book. Just checked how he concludes his second book and it kind of finishes with Hook leaving in 2007. So i guess book 3 will pick up from there and the post Hook era, return to gigging and Music Complete.

I doubt that period would be all that interesting (comparatively speaking) to most people, although I would obviously still like to read it.

I just wondered whether or not he might do a third book on some other subjective. perhaps focussing on his love of music tech etc. Maybe his love of military vehicles. ;-)

perspexorange wrote:

I just wondered whether or not he might do a third book on some other subjective. perhaps focussing on his love of music tech etc. Maybe his love of military vehicles. ;-)

Sometimes I get frustrated with interviewers when they don't follow up obvious points of interest (to me!). Steve talks about being grateful for walkmans - he is effectively saying: it's just as well bootleggers smuggled tape recorders into our gigs. Huw Stephens asks him what his sources are (video, fans, DATs), but when Steve says he's listening to lots of cassette tapes, Huw S doesn't ask where (from whom) he sourced those cassettes.

More importantly, Huw Stephens spent enough time asking about a book that neither of them wrote, and that he hadn't himself read (the Women at Factory Records book), but didn't grasp the opportuity to say to Steve: "Oh, 'difficult' third book? What's that about Steve?" SUCH an obvious question!!!

perspexorange wrote: I doubt that period would be all that interesting (comparatively speaking) to most people, although I would obviously still like to read it.

I just wondered whether or not he might do a third book on some other subjective. perhaps focussing on his love of music tech etc. Maybe his love of military vehicles. ;-)

Indeed, perspex. Not sure a book about the NO era 2007 up to present times would make a great book. That's why i'm curious what he would write about.Like you posted, maybe a book about tech or tanks?

Anyway, wasn't it revealed some time back Gillian is to write her side of the story? Would be very interested to read that. Wonder if she made any start or progress on it.

Yes i hear what you're saying Debaser about interviewers and Huw Stephens' failure to ask further about one or two things in today's interview.

Agreed with both of you regarding the lack of follow up questions. Very frustrating.

Yep - I'd be really interested to read Gillian's book. Again, the interviewer could've asked her if she had ever thought about writing a book herself (even if he dint know that there was a rumour that she was writing one).

Another other obvious question would've been "Oh, an expanded 'Substance'? Care to divulge any details about this? Any idea when this will be out?" etc.

Very much a missed opportunity.

Is this the beginning of the end? Is anyone going? No new material in 8 years, samey setlists etc. Maybe get Rick Astley in and give Ber'nard a rest.

tapebias wrote: Maybe get Rick Astley in and give Ber'nard a rest.

No way!

Ber'nard will never:

Give you up Let you down Run around Desert you Make you cry Say goodbye Tell a lie Hurt you All of the above.

Blossoms + Rick Astley doing an hours' worth of The Smiths at Glastonbury last month was great. I think it's still on iPlayer for another couple of days (for those in the UK).

I'd never heard Rick Astley swear before. Ironically he was probably more 'himself' singing The Smiths songs than he ever has been singing his own dross.

Song pool thus far:

586 1963 Academic Age of Consent Atmosphere Be a Rebel Bizarre Love Triangle Blue Monday Ceremony Close Range Crystal Decades Guilt is a Useless Emotion Isolation Love Will Tear Us Apart Plastic Regret Restless Shake it Up Sub-Culture Temptation Transmission True Faith Vanishing Point Waiting for the Sirens' Call World Your Silent Face

I've seen photos of the 2 "new" lads doing Quo like dual guitar posing. Anyone confirm if it's as bad in real life for armchair moaners like me.

From above, songs I dont want to hear (or see on the setlist) not to be taken too seriously.

Academic Atmosphere Be a Rebel Crystal Decades Guilt is a Useless Emotion Love Will Tear Us Apart Plastic Shake it Up Sub-Culture Transmission World

tapebias wrote: I've seen photos of the 2 "new" lads doing Quo like dual guitar posing. Anyone confirm if it's as bad in real life for armchair moaners like me.

From above, songs I dont want to hear (or see on the setlist) not to be taken too seriously.

Academic Atmosphere Be a Rebel Crystal Decades Guilt is a Useless Emotion Love Will Tear Us Apart Plastic Shake it Up Sub-Culture Transmission World

"Back in the day", other members might have called out their rockstar posturing. I think it's more accepted now as long as it's not choreographed or too excessive.

Regarding those songs: I tend to agree except for "Sub-Culture" and "Decades". But really just appreciate "Decades" because it's not "Atmosphere", "Transmission" or "Love Will Tear Us Apart" yet again.

Andy wrote:

Regarding those songs: I tend to agree except for "Sub-Culture" and "Decades". But really just appreciate "Decades" because it's not "Atmosphere", "Transmission" or "Love Will Tear Us Apart" yet again.

I was going to mention those two too. Classics and will always make an NO gig even better.