Wythenshawe Park 24th August 2024

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/new-order-announce-huge-wythenshawe-28193093

They'll be joined by a huge supporting bill including Johnny Marr and Róisin Murphy.

Pre-sale tickets are available from Monday, 4 December at 10am. General sale tickets go on sale on Tuesday, 5 December at 10am via Ticketmaster

This and the Cardiff gig a long way off so i'm assuming they're gonna knuckle down and record some new songs in the meantime, right? Right?

Fotz wrote: This and the Cardiff gig a long way off so i'm assuming they're gonna knuckle down and record some new songs in the meantime, right? Right?

Hmmm, probably 6 months off after a back-breaking world tour, then remix a song from Lost Sirens for the next live dates (hopefully a farewell tour but I doubt it).

Maybe they'll spend the precious 9 months rehearsing Working Overtime for its eagerly awaited and long overdue live debut. Gotta be worth the entrance fee alone to witness that eh?

Well i'm well up for the wythenshaw gig

Normally go leeds festival with my daughter that weekend but she's reached the age where she's dumped me for her mates...bought her a weekend ticket last night so this announcement today was perfectly timed

Not long to this now

But i must admit i've completely changed my tune from my above post....i really cannot be bothered to go,never felt like this about a new order gig before

Do i need the hassle of getting to wythenshawe and back to stand in a field and no doubt hear the same set,joy division encore and probably look at the same visuals that they've more or less had since music complete came out

lee wrote: Not long to this now

But i must admit i've completely changed my tune from my above post....i really cannot be bothered to go,never felt like this about a new order gig before

Do i need the hassle of getting to wythenshawe and back to stand in a field and no doubt hear the same set,joy division encore and probably look at the same visuals that they've more or less had since music complete came out

This is the problem for me too.

I LOVE the band (obviously) and always enjoy the gigs when I go, but they really need to start dropping some 'new' songs into the set.

At the moment, as I live quite some distance from the bigger venues (relatively, for the UK at least), it's a pain to go and see them (accommodation, travel costs/time etc.). Until they start to add some songs that haven't been played in recent years, I just don't think it's worth it for me.

Shame. If they just dropped in a couple of classic numbers like EGG and TLU, I'd go and see them next tour.

I think i'll make my decision after i see the cardiff set list....i can cancel my hotel friday at the latest

Well even though I live a lot closer to Manchester I’ve opted for Cardiff for the simple reason I have never been before. So a change in city even if set is the same! My daughter really into NO now so has persuaded me to go. They are my favourite band so not too much of a problem but admit it’s the most I’ve felt meh about going. Sometimes that can be the best way. I can relax and enjoy the classics with hopefully a new song although unlikely if not old songs not played for a while would be good too. As they have brotherhood to promote a couple of tracks not normally played alongside BLT. Personally I would like Weirdo and AIIWIW. One of those is a possibility the other about as likely as Movement being played in full.

The Shadow wrote: Well even though I live a lot closer to Manchester I’ve opted for Cardiff for the simple reason I have never been before. So a change in city even if set is the same! My daughter really into NO now so has persuaded me to go. They are my favourite band so not too much of a problem but admit it’s the most I’ve felt meh about going. Sometimes that can be the best way. I can relax and enjoy the classics with hopefully a new song although unlikely if not old songs not played for a while would be good too. As they have brotherhood to promote a couple of tracks not normally played alongside BLT. Personally I would like Weirdo and AIIWIW. One of those is a possibility the other about as likely as Movement being played in full.

They performed "As it is When it Was" on The Unity Tour. It was even a mainstay during the Republic-era gigs, which I was surprised by at the time. I think Bernard is fond of it.

Good call on the Brotherhood release, most likely AIIWIW as you say - can't see them playing Weirdo of Way of Life, not played since 1987!! Still think Round & round would be great to bring back, just been listening to Reading'93 and sounds great, surprised it hasn't an update / rework. I'm aiming to go to Wythenshawe, just leaving it late to get the tickets.

Half price tickets, supposedly for people who were going to Cardiff but worked for me fine for anyone wondering whether to "press the button" on going or not!

https://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/1F005F7890FD32DE?did=cardiff50&j=3708917&l=20473\_HTML&u=202397720&mid=1314420&jb=1&et\_mid=3708917&et\_rid=578424211&sfmc\_sub=578424211&utm\_source=eml-tm\_so02\_24\_08\_22\_new-order-manchester\_mu&utm\_medium=email&utm\_campaign=1314420\_3708917\_8/23/2024

Like No Other wrote: Half price tickets, supposedly for people who were going to Cardiff but worked for me fine for anyone wondering whether to "press the button" on going or not!

https://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/1F005F7890FD32DE?did=cardiff50&j=3708917&l=20473\_HTML&u=202397720&mid=1314420&jb=1&et\_mid=3708917&et\_rid=578424211&sfmc\_sub=578424211&utm\_source=eml-tm\_so02\_24\_08\_22\_new-order-manchester\_mu&utm\_medium=email&utm\_campaign=1314420\_3708917\_8/23/2024

No gigs for the foreseeable future means this could very well be the final ever New Order gig. I would hop on this if I could.

Tempted but hotels in and around Manchester are quite expensive this weekend.

Changed the train at Manc Piccadilly Station, of all places, just before and heading back home now (I live in the UK fortunately).

Let’s believe there will be more gigs if not imminently. Mind you, Mick ‘n Keef have finished yet another North American tour at the ripe age of 80!

I'm jealous that they played "Nothing but a Fool". I hope they did it justice.

Setlist.fm

Andy wrote: Setlist.fm

Very poor IMO which is probably why I don't go anymore. I could have guessed 90% of that but sure everyone that went had a good time. Be a rebel FFS!

Same old order, basically. One song live debut is not enough to save the day IMHO.

Feeling somewhat relieved that I couldn’t make it to Manc TBHWY.

And it could have been the setlist for the cancelled Cardiff show.

Andy wrote: I'm jealous that they played "Nothing but a Fool". I hope they did it justice.

Someone on the "New Order" Facebook fan page has uploaded a 5:44 phone video of this song. The instrumentation sounds pretty good. Bernard's vocals sound like...y'know 2024 old man Bernard. The backing vox -which I think really add a lot to the recorded track- seem to be on backing 'tape'. I'm pretty sure it's the original Dawn & Denise (RIP) vox, but they sound kinda low in the mix, so it loses something there.

I couldn’t make Manchester either. I’m sure it was great if you attended but like everyone else after almost 12 months off we only get one live debut the rest is all tried and tested. I would have still loved the first half of the gig and temptation at the end. The encore well…… I like transmission live but if you want JD Hooky is a much better bet. For me that was the last chance for any new material, hope I’m wrong. I’m sure they’ve tried but the bar is so high maybe they think best left alone and just celebrate their legacy. Can’t believe no Brotherhood tracks apart from BLT. For die hard fans who love the back catalogue in smaller venues then Hooky is the place…..

Want to make clear new order reforming in 2011 right up until and including London Ally Pally gigs some of my favourite I’ve seen the band. It’s just since then they’ve stopped taking chances, no new material no old tracks not played for a long time resurrected. (Apart from shake it up….but cmon never spoke to a NO fan who likes this track. Best I’ve heard is ‘there’s a good song buried somewhere in there’) Before we still got new versions, b sides such as Lonesome tonight, new tracks etc.. new back drops etc. However I have to remember their age, an amazing run of decades of music making gig going etc. another year I’ll definitely be ready to see them live again for one last goodbye

Debaser wrote:

Andy wrote: I'm jealous that they played "Nothing but a Fool". I hope they did it justice.

Someone on the "New Order" Facebook fan page has uploaded a 5:44 phone video of this song. The instrumentation sounds pretty good. Bernard's vocals sound like...y'know 2024 old man Bernard. The backing vox -which I think really add a lot to the recorded track- seem to be on backing 'tape'. I'm pretty sure it's the original Dawn & Denise (RIP) vox, but they sound kinda low in the mix, so it loses something there.

Aah - my favourite track from MC, and I was holding a 9 year grudge that they didn't ever play it live, so I was pleased to see it finally get an airing. I think they did a pretty good job, but live backing vocals would have made a big difference

And now crucially, this means that Unlearn This Hatred is the only song from MC that hasn't been played live...

After being in 2 minds all week i decided to go yesterday

All in all i enjoyed their set...not sure why they'd start with academic or play nothing but a fool though

Quite amazing that with their back catalogue they decide on them 2...i was convinced they was going to play egg after the teaser on their twitter yesterday

I thought the support acts were pretty poor for new order they normally have a better line up at their big outdoor gigs imo

Strange venue too....if you wanted to watch from the front of the stage i was jam packed...huge queues for food and drink etc...yet there was another huge area to watch from side right that was accessible by walking right around the back of the venue

We watched from the front of that bit and the atmosphere was as flat as a fart around us but looked good in the other side

Left after temptation as i don't really like jd(sorry) so thought we'd skip it and not have to queue forever to get the tram back to our hotel

If I was there I would have been pleased with Academic, works well as intro and nothing but a fool as both really good MC tracks. EGG would have lifted the roof off.

Watched them for first time since Reading 93 without drinking live 200 miles away and couldn’t come up with any other reasonably economic plan so drove which I’m ashamed to say made it less enjoyable 😂 up until Plastic was really enjoying it. Not seem them since 2019 so two new songs was great. Even though others were stuff I’ve seen a few times like them all and fun guessing what’s next. After that knew what was coming although by that point was dreading car park and drive home. Sound was great and where I was stood people were loving it. So overall enjoyed it but second half needs freshening up.

Sauce wrote: Watched them for first time since Reading 93 without drinking live 200 miles away and couldn’t come up with any other reasonably economic plan so drove which I’m ashamed to say made it less enjoyable 😂 up until Plastic was really enjoying it. Not seem them since 2019 so two new songs was great. Even though others were stuff I’ve seen a few times like them all and fun guessing what’s next. After that knew what was coming although by that point was dreading car park and drive home. Sound was great and where I was stood people were loving it. So overall enjoyed it but second half needs freshening up.

I agree that the clips I've heard sound quite good. I've seen them 6 times since the pandemic and am not surprised that they've not torn up the setlist and started over again. Opening up with "Academic" and throwing in "Nothing but a Fool" (one of my favourites) is relatively spicy these days. Until they come up with something as powerful as "Singularity", they've never going to win over either side of the There's No New Stuff or the Their New Stuff Sucks crowds (the lyrical theme of "Be a Rebel" is good, and obviously near to Bernard's heart, but the song wasn't really single material). Their "Transmission" cover is pretty good, but "Love Will Tear Us Apart" has become as perfunctory as "Blue Monday", I understand its inclusion, but wouldn't miss it. All four are better than their "Atmosphere", which doesn't carry the weight it should (I've not heard last night's rendition). At least "Decades"* and "Isolation" are two of their better Joy Division covers (they should also revisit "Disorder"), but four JD tracks is too many, in my opinion.

A positive, if not particularly enthusastic review from ManchesterEveningNews.

Seems fair.

Thanks Andy and yeh agreed. Was wondering about the size of the audience and was surprised as how big it was (as was Bernard based on one of his comments during the show).

Andy wrote:

Sauce wrote: Watched them for first time since Reading 93 without drinking live 200 miles away and couldn’t come up with any other reasonably economic plan so drove which I’m ashamed to say made it less enjoyable 😂 up until Plastic was really enjoying it. Not seem them since 2019 so two new songs was great. Even though others were stuff I’ve seen a few times like them all and fun guessing what’s next. After that knew what was coming although by that point was dreading car park and drive home. Sound was great and where I was stood people were loving it. So overall enjoyed it but second half needs freshening up.

I agree that the clips I've heard sound quite good. I've seen them 6 times since the pandemic and am not surprised that they've not torn up the setlist and started over again. Opening up with "Academic" and throwing in "Nothing but a Fool" (one of my favourites) is relatively spicy these days. Until they come up with something as powerful as "Singularity", they've never going to win over either side of the There's No New Stuff or the Their New Stuff Sucks crowds (the lyrical theme of "Be a Rebel" is good, and obviously near to Bernard's heart, but the song wasn't really single material). Their "Transmission" cover is pretty good, but "Love Will Tear Us Apart" has become as perfunctory as "Blue Monday", I understand its inclusion, but wouldn't miss it. All four are better than their "Atmosphere", which doesn't carry the weight it should (I've not heard last night's rendition). At least "Decades"* and "Isolation" are two of their better Joy Division covers (they should also revisit "Disorder"), but four JD tracks is too many, in my opinion.

I was fine with them playing songs from music complete when they was promoting it and probably a couple of years after it...tbh i actually looked foward to hearing it as i thought it was a great album

But that moment has now passed...especially when playing to a crowd of that size which would have been made up with a high percentage of casual fans

How many people would of thought that kicking off a gig of that size with academic was a good idea...or throwing in nbaf?

I kind of wish i hadn't gone tbh...i hope its not the last time i see them as i don't want my memory of the last gig i see them (which surely is coming) to be a bit meh

I didn't attend. Kind of glad to read they at least, finally, attempted Nothing But A Fool live nearly 9 years after Music Complete was released. I'm not in any rush to look up the clip on YouTube, however.

From what i read in that review , the weather held up and was a sunny afternoon in Wythenshawe Park. I would imagine it was a bit chilly by the time New Order finished around 11pm though.

No regrets that i didn't go. The days of regretting missing a gig by NO are for me long gone. Think the last time i felt i really missed a cracker was Portmeirion 2012, the Festival No.6 thing .Oh and maybe MIF 2017.