I believe these are quite hard to come by : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2559505299 .....quite a hefty price expected too!
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quite a rare one on ebay!
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...and if anyone wants 2 listen 2 that a-side (low quality); come 2 me...
Greetz, Floyd Anderson.
chatmaster1@gmx.at
Originally posted by Floyd Anderson ...and if anyone wants 2 listen 2 that a-side (low quality); come 2 me...Greetz, Floyd Anderson.chatmaster1@gmx.at
will you upload it on the ftp? btw, when is the re-open? 
Originally posted by almanso > Originally posted by Floyd Anderson> ...and if anyone wants 2 listen 2 that a-side (low quality); come 2 me...> > Greetz, Floyd Anderson.> > chatmaster1@gmx.at
will you upload it on the ftp? btw, when is the re-open?
...it's uploaded indeedly; and the gate's opened 'til Oct. 3...
Greetz, Floyd Anderson.
chatmaster1@gmx.at
Originally posted by Floyd Anderson > Originally posted by almanso > Originally posted by Floyd Anderson> ...and if anyone wants 2 listen 2 that a-side (low quality); come 2 me...
will you upload it on the ftp? btw, when is the re-open?
...it's uploaded indeedly; and the gate's opened 'til Oct. 3...
merci beaucoup, monsieur! 
Originally posted by I Don't Wanna Stop > Originally posted by Spotnick> Welcome to Miami
what are you trying to say sir?
That only one person on earth is crazy enough to overpay by 3-4 times an item to complete his collection :D
Sure, nice item to have, but we all know it's *the* rarest item from New Order...
...hehehe
...
...@ nic, btw.; what do u thinking 'bout that 'lwtua 2003' thing, putting into the bootleg songbrowser (I know, I'm troublesome)
, could be a legendary item sometime...
Greetz, Floyd Anderson.
chatmaster1@gmx.at
Originally posted by Spotnick That only one person on earth is crazy enough to overpay by 3-4 times an item to complete his collection :DSure, nice item to have, but we all know it's *the* rarest item from New Order...
After sitting through countless of discussions on this forum, other forums, and mailinglists, you, and everyone else, should know by now that the value of an item is what a buyer is willing to pay. Sure, with New Order-standards the price is very high. But if you look into rarities from other groups (e.g. Beatles) then this is not an unusual price level.
I've been in the New Order-collecting arena for close to 15 years, and I have only heard about two people who has found this item (and bought it). I guess this auction will separate the serious collectors from the die-hard collectors... ;)
Is it the rarest item? Well, search this forum for a discussion and list by Murv, or search the Ceremony archives for extensive discussion regarding the topic. My opinion is: no. But it may be the most well-known rareist item (nice grammar).
/TLV
TLV...I think it has become more of a light hearted piss taking...at least on my part...if I had the skins to drop on this stuff, I would do so...
I don't begrudge Mr. Sultan that he can afford to do this...if I had more money, I would have made more of the gigs last year in the UK and on the continent...I would have been like Jarvo and Co., and done all 4 of the Area: One gigs the year before...blah blah...
of course Nic may actually think it's foolish, I just say it shows David to be a die hard collector...and like I said, if I had the funds, I'd be fighting him tooth and nail for some of this stuff!
Yeah, ditto the two previous posts - if I had enough funds, I'd buy it straight away...
Good luck to whoever gets it - if I ever win the lottery, maybe I'll go for a copy some day!
l8rs,
Nick ;)
Originally posted by I Don't Wanna Stop TLV...I think it has become more of a light hearted piss taking...at least on my part...if I had the skins to drop on this stuff, I would do so...I don't begrudge Mr. Sultan that he can afford to do this...if I had more money, I would have made more of the gigs last year in the UK and on the continent...I would have been like Jarvo and Co., and done all 4 of the Area: One gigs the year before...blah blah...of course Nic may actually think it's foolish, I just say it shows David to be a die hard collector...and like I said, if I had the funds, I'd be fighting him tooth and nail for some of this stuff!
Not jealous, I didn't mean much, it's just that we all know who will win it, so there is no suspense :D
Altough the seller is someone from the Ceremony Mailing List, even a member here.. Marcio Katayama.. (who also is from Brazil if I remember right or some other country of South America)
Originally posted by Spotnick Altough the seller is someone from the Ceremony Mailing List, even a member here.. Marcia Katayama.. (who also is from Brazil if I remember right or some other country of South America)
i don´t have the pleasure to know her 
i can tell you she is not argentinian. with that name i´d say is brazilian indeed. and by that i can tell you she must be millionaire because the Real is three times less than the US dollar. if she´s going all the way to get that item she may pass the 1,000 dollars for sure. that´s around 3,000 Reals which means 6 common salaries on this side of the planet. that´s quite a lot! 
I've always thought it's ironic: paying more money for a track that has had bits removed from! Then again, it's never stopped me buying these rare seven inch versions.
I'd never spend more than a couple of hundred on an item like this though.
How do I get to that FTP thing to listen to a lo-fi version of this seven inch?
Andy.
Forget the ftp... anyone can make their own "exclusive Japanese edit" of Blue Monday. All you need to do is start it on the solo drum beat bit just before the vocal starts, and then turn the volume down to a fade just after the vocal finishes.
Easy.
And much cheaper.
Originally posted by Old Blue Forget the ftp... anyone can make their own "exclusive Japanese edit" of Blue Monday. All you need to do is start it on the solo drum beat bit just before the vocal starts, and then turn the volume down to a fade just after the vocal finishes.Easy.And much cheaper.
You mean the bit where everything stops, and you just hear an open hi hat and bass drum banging eight times? Is that where it starts?
More to the point, do we know of anyone here who has actually heard (or owns) the mythical FAC737 UK seven inch version that there is supposed to be a handful of promo copies of? Does it exist, or is it just a myth? If it does exist, does that mean there's a seven inch edit of 'The Beach' floating around sowewhere too?
Andy.
Originally posted by Mr Discography > Originally posted by Old Blue Forget the ftp... anyone can make their own "exclusive Japanese edit" of Blue Monday. All you need to do is start it on the solo drum beat bit just before the vocal starts, and then turn the volume down to a fade just after the vocal finishes.Easy.And much cheaper.
You mean the bit where everything stops, and you just hear an open hi hat and bass drum banging eight times? Is that where it starts?
Yep, that's it. Just make sure you fade it out four minutes and nine seconds later and voila.
Originally posted by Mr Discography More to the point, do we know of anyone here who has actually heard (or owns) the mythical FAC737 UK seven inch version that there is supposed to be a handful of promo copies of? Does it exist, or is it just a myth? If it does exist, does that mean there's a seven inch edit of 'The Beach' floating around sowewhere too?Andy.
We've discussed this before, opinion seems to be divided. IMHO, it doesn't exist. If it did, by now some keyboard show-off would have at least put a picture up for everyone to see. Even the other site can't make that boast.
Originally posted by almanso > Originally posted by Spotnick> Altough the seller is someone from the Ceremony Mailing List, even a member here.. Marcia Katayama.. (who also is from Brazil if I remember right or some other country of South America)
i don´t have the pleasure to know her
i can tell you she is not argentinian. with that name i´d say is brazilian indeed. and by that i can tell you she must be millionaire because the Real is three times less than the US dollar. if she´s going all the way to get that item she may pass the 1,000 dollars for sure. that´s around 3,000 Reals which means 6 common salaries on this side of the planet. that´s quite a lot!
It's a him.. my mistake.. MARCIO...
Originally posted by Old Blue We've discussed this before, opinion seems to be divided. IMHO, it doesn't exist. If it did, by now some keyboard show-off would have at least put a picture up for everyone to see. Even the other site can't make that boast.
In that case, does anyone know anybody with the Polish Tonpress DS-25-A 7" promo that clocks in at 5:05? What's the difference there? Longer ending/intro? Different edit?
Andy.
Originally posted by Old Blue > Originally posted by Mr Discography> > > > Originally posted by Old Blue> Forget the ftp... anyone can make their own "exclusive Japanese edit" of Blue Monday. All you need to do is start it on the solo drum beat bit just before the vocal starts, and then turn the volume down to a fade just after the vocal finishes.Easy.And much cheaper.
You mean the bit where everything stops, and you just hear an open hi hat and bass drum banging eight times? Is that where it starts?
Yep, that's it. Just make sure you fade it out four minutes and nine seconds later and voila.
Does it include all eight drum hits, just four, or does it start with the bass and beats that come in just after those eight hits? Just trying to picture the edit in my mind's eye, as I'd never afford the seven inch on Ebay!
Almanso: this seller is brazilian guy. I changed sufficiently material with it I enter 1996-2000. It is very honest and a great collector. This 7"it must have two units.
Originally posted by Denial_1963 Almanso: this seller is brazilian guy. I changed sufficiently material with it I enter 1996-2000. It is very honest and a great collector. This 7"it must have two units.
What's his name Emok?I don't know who is he. 
Originally posted by Mr Discography > Originally posted by Old Blue We've discussed this before, opinion seems to be divided. IMHO, it doesn't exist. If it did, by now some keyboard show-off would have at least put a picture up for everyone to see. Even the other site can't make that boast.
In that case, does anyone know anybody with the Polish Tonpress DS-25-A 7" promo that clocks in at 5:05? What's the difference there? Longer ending/intro? Different edit?
Andy.
Apparently it's a fade-out version of the regular 12". But I am not 100% sure though...
As for the UK 7" promo, my opinion is that no one has come up with solid material that it doesn't exists (and yes, that statement has been discussed elsewhere as well) so it will stay as an entry in the New Order Discography.
/TLV
Dredged this up from the vaults.....Even $750 seems a little over inflated. As for the buy it now tag!!! I could buy a return ticket to the UK for xmas and shiver m`bollox off for that price.
Peter Neff Candidate
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7.JP 1984 7" Blue Monday (Factory/Nippon Columbia TD-1098) [promo]4:09 Blue Monday 4:09 Confusion 25 copies ($???)
-About $250 on a Yahoo auctions Japan a couple of years ago (I live in Japan). Never ever thought I'd find it.
Ok. That edit on that Japanese 7inch is a unique edit, not the fade out version from the Polish 7inch.
It is different.
Get the low-quality MP3 from the FTP server, and find out by yourself.
That low quality version that had been now doing the internet rounds for years was actually encoded by myself, as that's all the quality I was sort of "authorized" for unleashing. Sorry for that.
Originally posted by N21 Ok. That edit on that Japanese 7inch is a unique edit, not the fade out version from the Polish 7inch.It is different.Get the low-quality MP3 from the FTP server, and find out by yourself.That low quality version that had been now doing the internet rounds for years was actually encoded by myself, as that's all the quality I was sort of "authorized" for unleashing. Sorry for that.
Can someone please tell me how I go about "getting it from the FTP server"?
Cheers,
Andy.
Things from e-bay... 
JOY DIVISION "Here are the young men" live in Hamburg, January 1981. Performance footage from their LAST EVER concert. 1 hour half inch tape from Ikon FCL 1989. This is a genuine first generation video and not a bootleg or copy. Excellent condition. Watched once only on a high quality video player. "You had to be there. With this you are" Richard Boon (Mis)Manager - Buzzcocks 1976-81
Dead Souls
Love Will Tear Us Apart
Shadowplay
Day Of The Lords
Digital
Colony
New Dawn Fades
Autosuggestion
Transmission
Sound Of Music
She's Lost Control
They Walked In Line
I Remember Nothing
Love Will Tear Us Apart (video - not listed on box)
Also includes the IKON music video catalogue.
P&P in the UK £1.00 (If you require recorded delivery please add 64p to the total). UK Bidders ONLY please.
Winning bidders to pay within 7 days of auction close or negative feedback will be left and ebay notified.
*Thanks for looking!
JOY DIVISION "Here are the young men" live in Hamburg, January 1981. Performance footage from their LAST EVER concert. 
I can only assume Mr Sultan already has one of the 29 other copies in circulation, still no bids ...
Originally posted by Al Jarvis Still no bids? Wonder what time that Auction Sentry's gonna kick in? :D
To have opened the bidding that high, the seller must have known there was a crazy mofo out there willing to bid $790
And speaking of Mr Sultan, it's always interesting to check his latest acquisitions..
Check this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2357&item=3345732605
I seriously wonder how many items he has.. I hope he's insured.. one bloody fire would ruin lots of memories!
Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by I Don't Wanna Stop> TLV...I think it has become more of a light hearted piss taking...at least on my part...if I had the skins to drop on this stuff, I would do so...> > I don't begrudge Mr. Sultan that he can afford to do this...if I had more money, I would have made more of the gigs last year in the UK and on the continent...I would have been like Jarvo and Co., and done all 4 of the Area: One gigs the year before...blah blah...> > of course Nic may actually think it's foolish, I just say it shows David to be a die hard collector...and like I said, if I had the funds, I'd be fighting him tooth and nail for some of this stuff!
Not jealous, I didn't mean much, it's just that we all know who will win it, so there is no suspense :D
it's so easy to win with a software witch do it for you 5 sec. before the end of auction... I lost TF87 qwest CD Promo like that
Originally posted by Hélène's friend it's so easy to win with a software witch do it for you 5 sec. before the end of auction... I lost TF87 qwest CD Promo like that
Well, it comes down to how much you are willing to pay for an item. If you establish a max-price, even the best software in the world won't beat it unless the software-user enters a higher price. Then of course, the annoying part if another user is willing to pay your price + 1 dollar...
There are some non-price-conscious bidders on eBay, it is very hard to win against them. But that is the nature of the medium. Do not despair, this is the third time I've seen/heard the single for sale. The only item that I have known to be for sale, and that I have never been able to get is the Hurt/Obercorn misspress. I still kick myself for it today... :(
Next time, the promo single is mine. 
/TLV
Originally posted by Marko Yep, and guess who's won it @ $790? Heeeeeere's ...... David!
At least now that Mister $ultan has almost completed his collection, us mere mortals might get a look in, hopefully he doesn`t decide to double up.... unfortunately he has been doing that as well 
sniping software is irrelevant if you're prepared to pay far more than anyone else for items, and judging by the world in motion site it looks like he already has one, scans have been up for ages in the discography
Originally posted by johnny james sniping software is irrelevant if you're prepared to pay far more than anyone else for items, and judging by the world in motion site it looks like he already has one, scans have been up for ages in the discography
Having a picture copied off the internet does not confirm actual ownership.
People that are prepared to pay what it takes for an item are not the problem in my eyes.
It's the last second spoilt brat snatch that gets on my tits. If an individual is sufficiently interested in an item then they should have the courage to register a bid to be shot at. And if it also means that the individual has to be online in the middle of the night when the auction ends, then they should be prepared to do that as well.
Originally posted by johnny james sniping software is irrelevant if you're prepared to pay far more than anyone else for items, and judging by the world in motion site it looks like he already has one, scans have been up for ages in the discography
If you have another look at the WIM discography the releases that MR$s have are in bold type the ones he doesnt are not.
Originally posted by johnny james sniping software is irrelevant if you're prepared to pay far more than anyone else for items, and judging by the world in motion site it looks like he already has one, scans have been up for ages in the discography
The scans were those I provided him.
Along with a copy of the edit on tape back in 1997 I got photocopies of the sleeves (with a couple more from other releases).
I brought the photocopies along with me as we scheduled to meet (me & David) back in 1999 while I was in Miami.
I saw a bit of his collection + some (odd) videos. "World" live anyone ?
(He even took me with him for his flight lesson - and I got to cross Florida in a small 4 seat airplane - I was stunned !!!)
Originally posted by N21 > Originally posted by johnny james> sniping software is irrelevant if you're prepared to pay far more than anyone else for items, and judging by the world in motion site it looks like he already has one, scans have been up for ages in the discography
The scans were those I provided him.
Along with a copy of the edit on tape back in 1997 I got photocopies of the sleeves (with a couple more from other releases).
I brought the photocopies along with me as we scheduled to meet (me & David) back in 1999 while I was in Miami.
I saw a bit of his collection + some (odd) videos. "World" live anyone ?
(He even took me with him for his flight lesson - and I got to cross Florida in a small 4 seat airplane - I was stunned !!!)
He's the richest New Order's fan I ever met 
This is why he's called Sultan 
Originally posted by Old Blue People that are prepared to pay what it takes for an item are not the problem in my eyes.It's the last second spoilt brat snatch that gets on my tits. If an individual is sufficiently interested in an item then they should have the courage to register a bid to be shot at. And if it also means that the individual has to be online in the middle of the night when the auction ends, then they should be prepared to do that as well.
I guess it's a software doing that for you...
Nobody's THAT stupid!
However, I missed some auction like that at the last second and it pissed me off, because the email sent when someone bids over your bid comes when the damned auction is over...
Not useful!
last second bidding is a necessity since I know from experience that nobody ever puts in their maximum amount first time, they always come back after being outbid thereby pushing the price upwards. now if that didn't happen then the whole sniping thing wouldn't have emerged.
yep, mega rare.
you cant blame the sultan of bling ,surely if 99% of us had the money we would want it also!
different people have their favorite rarity,mine is the run 2 7" promo,of which incidently i have just bought for a song!!!!!!!!!
steve smith.barnsleyfc.co.uk
