Battle of the albums..

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© P.C.L. for me is New Order,everything elsle is just nearly as good. I can't believe you said that Patrician,if you want a war of attrition,I'm determined to fight to the death, in defence of P.C.L. Again metaphorically speaking I don't intend applying for a visa, boarding a plane and wandering across the country asking if anyone knows of your whereabouts.

Aha, the wise man speaketh! I too will fight all the way Shimbo, let's piss in the coffee of all who sully the majesty of the majestic PCL.

Though to be fair, pissing in coffee would probably make it taste a little less like shit!

Let us not forget they opted to play "Your Silent Face" again of late....

part homage to PCL perhaps.

Let battle commence,AOC, YSL, 586,Leave Me Alone, The Village are IMO the peak of their career, absolutely flawless, needs no correction and the others give you time to recover before being flawed again and are also quite good in ther own way.

Originally posted by Inta Don Let us not forget they opted to play "Your Silent Face"again of late....part homage to PCL perhaps.

Yeah, the version from the BBC session is brilliant.

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© Let battle commence,AOC, YSL, 586,Leave Me Alone, The Village are IMO the peak of their career, absolutely flawless, needs no correction and the others give you time to recover before being flawed again and are also quite good in ther own way.

Their finest moment album wise, without a doubt.

Major Muffy,Hold the fort, I'll be back.

I would argue that Round and round, Run, Mr Disco, vanishing Point and Dream Attack are at least on a par.

But apart from that fully agree

(Yes Shimmo, really...)

Originally posted by Seb Briggs I would argue that Round and round, Run, Mr Disco, vanishing Point and Dream Attack are at least on a par.But apart from that fully agree(Yes Shimmo, really...)

Yes, Run and Dream Attack particularly are classics, but there's a certain magic about PCL that no other album has. I think it's the fact you can tell they're trying stuff that's new to them, whereas later on it was all second nature.

Muffy and Wank, don't misunderstand me, I too think that AOC, 586, and Leave Me Alone are pinnacular. It's just that there are some tracks that I'm less enthusiastic about.

None of these albums should be compared to other NO moments - they are all from their peculiar place in time. If anything, I would go for Technique - it paved the way for so much of the 90s music scene

I think everybody else must be taking a nap, Phil.

Muffy and Wank, once again I agree PCL has the highest highs, and YSF, Ultraviolence, and Ecstasy are better than I remembered, but it seems to me that the one element that is so essential that doesn't appear until Low Life are those lyrics that are like a hard slap in the face, for example, as I quoted yesterday, "You search your empty brain in vain."

Thats why i stand by Brotherhood as my all time fave album, for me it has the complete range of NO from up-tempo dancey tracks like the opener an blt, to the ridiculous and serious asitis, every second, alldaylong.

Technique, although im a hugely massive fan keeps the Ibiza sun'n'fun theme through the entire album and therefore does not appeal to have to same range as Brotherhood IMO.

Despite the sound problems, Inta Don?

Originally posted by Patrick Despite the sound problems, Inta Don?

yea.. thats a pisser the sound issue but i've grown accustomed to it in an almost... familiar way over the years!

Originally posted by Patrick Muffy and Wank, once again I agree PCL has the highest highs, and YSF, Ultraviolence, and Ecstasy are better than I remembered, but it seems to me that the one element that is so essential that doesn't appear until Low Life are those lyrics that are like a hard slap in the face, for example, as I quoted yesterday, "You search your empty brain in vain."

Patty you took those words from my mouth,"the highest highs" I had a post I was forming with those exact words. I just scanned up and down three times to see if I had posted it already and you were quoting me. I must admit what you said about the lyrics had me shifting in my seat a bit. The first post I ever wrote about New Order, posted elsewhere, was in response to a lot of negativity,especially re. Bernards lyrics, even before anyone had heard Getready. In it I alluded to how I always identified with Bernard and his dreams of owning a yacht, And I stated how lines from 'The Village' and 'Leave Me Alone' would live me for ever, as they conjured up an image of beaches, blue lagoons, paradise if you like, I also like the slightly more abstract language and the fact I still don't know what the hell he's banging on about, I don't want these mysteries that exist in my head solving, I just want them there. I will probably always consider these the 'highest highs' but yours and other's thoughts on the more bitter aspect of the later lyrics have got me thinking a bit, no bad thing. I'm glad to appreciate another level.

Sebb, I take on board your thoughts about Technique and if P.C.L. didn't exist I would probably be saying much the same thing about it, it's absolutely flawless needs no correction, perfection, except some of P.C.L. is more perfect. More human than human.

One other thing I meant to say about PCL, Wank, was that it certainly has a quality of pureness that was lost and never regained in later material, but as I said and I think you agreed, other new and important qualities entered.

As I've said many times now, Wank, I think Leave Me Alone is by far their best thing ever. And listening to 586 just makes me so happy.

I understand the defense of PCL.... AOC is one awesome song....Sounds very similar to the Cure's "Closedown" if you ask me though hehe...

My personal favorite is Movement. I'll probably get torn apart for this but as more of a JD fan you can understand where I'm coming from. DNE, Truth, ICB, Doubts Even Here create a claustrophobic sound that is still played heavily from by bedroom....

The absolute worst: REPUBLIC.

That whole album sounded dated the minute it was released....sure Regret is catchy tunewise, (lyrics stupid) and I dig Touched by the Hand of God (It came out around same time right?)

2 cents

Originally posted by Michele Racicot My personal favorite is Movement. I'll probably get torn apart for this but as more of a JD fan you can understand where I'm coming from. it was released....sure Regret is catchy tunewise, (lyrics stupid) and I dig Touched by the Hand of God (It came out around same time right?)

Wait a minute...... I should have known that only LOVE will tear me apart.....I feel safer in my opinion now.

Michele, Touched was 1987, Republic 1993.

Knowing how happy my own little ditties make me, I can imagine how good it must feel to have an album that goes from 586 to Your Silent Face, just imagine being in the studio going 'top that! world', and no-one has ever, yet. Did someone say P.C.L. was less influential on dance culture than Technique I'd argue that Technique was less influential on dance culture as House was already an unstoppable juggernaut by 1989. The formative years of those influenced would have been much earlier.

You know, Wank, just THINKING about Leave Me Alone makes me cry; I don't even have to actually hear the song; it's enough to just play it in my head.

I think I'm right that Fine Time was released the same week as Innercity's-Good Life. I was also a bit dubious on first hearing it, thinking are they jumping on a bandwagon or consuming themselves with something they had more right than anyone to be involved in.

Originally posted by Patrick You know, Wank, just THINKING about Leave Me Alone makes me cry; I don't even have to actually hear the song; it's enough to just play it in my head.

I think I speak for everyone in quoting the "and that's why I love you" line,cue some puke from Briggsy

Nah nah not at all Hank. Thats why I love New Order and their influences on me. No other group makes me feel any real emotion however much I may like them.

Leave Me Alone, Dream Attack, Blue Monday, Round and Round, Procession, Temptation, Ceremony, Crystal, Subculture, Ecstasy, Weirdo, Regret and Primitive Notion to name but a few all take me to different places in a way that no other music can.

Agree with you fully about PCL - certainly more influential on dance - I just slightly prefer the tunes of my faves of Technique - not much in it mind you.

Thanks, Wank, same to you for things like your earlier post about highest highs.

i hate to be a killjoy and i do really love PCL loads but really was it that influential? the only dance act ive ever heard rave about it is the chemical brothers. was it being cited alot by 80s dance acts/synthpoppers? cmon give me a history lesson...

VG, I think groups tend to cite Blue Monday (just a few recent acts include Twatboy Slim, Chems, Underworld, Pet Shops, Leftfield). And Blue Monday is obviously a bi-product of PCL