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What the? 
Robbie Williams beats Joy Division to win "Best song of the last 25 years" at the Brit awards? Shocking behaviour!
I'm going to immediately melt down all my vinyl and bury my head in it before it sets....
The judges have gone fookin' mad, I say, fookin' mad!
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Nobody with half an ounce of musical taste credits the Br(sh)it awards having anything serious to say about what's both legendary and timeless in music. It's simply a vehicle for the scum who run the majors to have a great big back-slapping shindig and celebrate themselves. As for the nominees, I guarantee that five years from now Franz Ferdinand will be getting interviewed for an "I Love 2004" documentary as they will surely have bled Bowie's "Low"/Roxy Music of all the inspiration they could and hopelessly stalled. Scissor Sisters too have a dangerously short shelf life, it's not like I can see their next LP will having a stunning change of direction. It may not be the nominees fault the music press (NME especially guilty) hugely overexposes them, but that doesn't change the fact I'm fucking sick of their mugs cropping up so frequently in every entertainment paper I pick up 
Having said that, I would shag Joss Stone senseless :D but her voice and records really do get on my nerves something rotten.
Anyway, LWTUA is so obviously the superior pop song there. In melody, in lyrics and in sheer background. The day the fat dancer from Take That is definitively named a superior artist even to Hooky's dog is... well.. unlikely. Angels is a crude, heart on your sleeve pub jukebox number, it's an ordinary song voted for by the ordinary masses. I used to cringe when the twats at my old halls of residence used to pile in at 4am belting out "And threw it ALLLLLLLELELELLELLE SHE OFFERS ME PROTeECTIOnNNnNN" Dreadful song.
If any international (i.e. outside the UK) folks are reading this thinking it's mightily cynical... Please take my word for it that the music industry in this country really is that bad! (and worse)
Ally.
Originally posted by Ally3000 Nobody with half an ounce of musical taste credits the Br(sh)it awards having anything serious to say about what's both legendary and timeless in music. It's simply a vehicle for the scum who run the majors to have a great big back-slapping shindig and celebrate themselves. As for the nominees, I guarantee that five years from now Franz Ferdinand will be getting interviewed for an "I Love 2004" documentary as they will surely have bled Bowie's "Low"/Roxy Music of all the inspiration they could and hopelessly stalled. Scissor Sisters too have a dangerously short shelf life, it's not like I can see their next LP will having a stunning change of direction. It may not be the nominees fault the music press (NME especially guilty) hugely overexposes them, but that doesn't change the fact I'm fucking sick of their mugs cropping up so frequently in every entertainment paper I pick up
very well said i agree with everything you say,couldn'nt have put it better.someone called Guy chambers wrote that song for kareoke williams aswell,same as all his stuff until recently.now he probably has an army of others to help exagerate his modest talent.lets keep it real.too many people give credence to the brit awards.they are a con,end of story.i did'nt watch them,but it was all franz ferdinand this and that,and they are poor too.
Originally posted by Spotnick Must be quite a song... I never heard it !!!!!!!!!!!!
Me either...
ladies and gentlemen, the ego has landed.
I vividly remember MTV trying to push that shite 'Millenium' single on the U.S. market in '98-ish. We shot down Williams over here almost as fast as we did the brothers Gallagher.
Originally posted by Jeff The Chef What the?
it's a damn shame.
well the awards are total bullshit. I never go by that. Sure be great if JD gets recognise. but the fans recognise them and thats good enough.
Cant understand why anyone is suprised? Do you think Sumner,Morris and Hook wouldve gone up on stage and accepted it on Ians behalf-of course not. But the fat dancer from Take That will. Knobhead artist for people so sad they think they`ve got their finger on the pulse of cutting edge music by listening to Robbie,Dido and The Corrs. The Brits? More like The Shits!
Do people on this thread honestly then believe that Love Will Tear Us Apart IS the best song from the last 25 years?!
I for one, don't.
I don't think it's even Joy Division New Order's finest moment from the past 25 years.
You're mugs if you ever think it's likely to beat a track like "Angels".
It's quite good I suppose, but didn't have the commercial and general public awareness impact that Angels did. And no it isn't their best song in the last 25 years, let alone the UKs!
Originally posted by Dashiell Hannett We shot down Williams over here almost as fast as we did the brothers Gallagher.
Indeed, you've really shot Oasis down. Forgive me, but THESE sound like decent-sized venues to me, and wouldn't Madison Square Gardens be quite a prestigious gig for the band?
Whats the chances that Williams gets up to accept the award & namechecks JD/NO - he'd do anything 4 a bit of credability
This 'award' was voted for by the listeners of Radio 2, therefore a shoe-in that the fat dancer from stoke would win
[irony]Robbie Williams beating Joy Division makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? He's so good that New Order was an opening slot for him, remember?[/irony]
Originally posted by The Haçienda must be (re)Built This 'award' was voted for by the listeners of Radio 2, therefore a shoe-in that the fat dancer from stoke would win
A win for STOKE-yer avin a LAUGH!
Originally posted by The Haçienda must be (re)Built This 'award' was voted for by the listeners of Radio 2, therefore a shoe-in that the fat dancer from stoke would win
The award was voted for by anyone who logged on to the Brits website - I posted enough reminders
I myself must have voted 15-20 times
Didnt help tho'
I know its beneath any normal person's dignity to pay any attention to the Brits at all, but this did have me choking on my coffee. They really are taking the mickey - 'best song of the last 25 years'!!! Never mind LWTUA, what about Unfinished Sympathy? Anything by the Stone Roses, The Smiths, etc there must be a million tracks of more merit than the 'winner'. I'm so annoyed that they've managed to be _so_ ridiculous as to actually make me notice them!
And to compound my mood the people downstairs were playing Whitney's 'I will always love you' loudly in the middle of the night last night.
Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Dashiell Hannett> We shot down Williams over here almost as fast as we did the brothers Gallagher.
Indeed, you've really shot Oasis down. Forgive me, but THESE sound like decent-sized venues to me, and wouldn't Madison Square Gardens be quite a prestigious gig for the band?
4 shows is hardly impressive. Any decent band with the marketing has received in the past should be able to sell out MSG in a city or 8 million people. They could be more successful here considering how much they were being compared to the fucking Beatles. Oarses haven't had a successful song here since Champagne Supernova. They may be able to sell out gigs to their core of fans, but they are hardly at the level U2 has unfortunately risen to in the States.
Originally posted by SteveOne Cant understand why anyone is suprised? Do you think Sumner,Morris and Hook would
ve gone up on stage and accepted it on Ians behalf-of course not. But the fat dancer from Take That will. Knobhead artist for people so sad they think they`ve got their finger on the pulse of cutting edge music by listening to Robbie,Dido and The Corrs. The Brits? More like The Shits!
They did get on stage however, I have the picture in my inbox!
http://brits.co.uk/static/pages/shows/brits25/photos/podium/popup.php?photo=22
Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by SteveOne Cant understand why anyone is suprised? Do you think Sumner,Morris and Hook would
ve gone up on stage and accepted it on Ians behalf-of course not. But the fat dancer from Take That will. Knobhead artist for people so sad they think they`ve got their finger on the pulse of cutting edge music by listening to Robbie,Dido and The Corrs. The Brits? More like The Shits!
They did get on stage however, I have the picture in my inbox!
http://brits.co.uk/static/pages/shows/brits25/photos/po dium/popup.php?photo=22
sUITS you SIR!
Originally posted by Al Jarvis Do people on this thread honestly then believe that Love Will Tear Us Apart IS the best song from the last 25 years?!I for one, don't. I don't think it's even Joy Division New Order's finest moment from the past 25 years. You're mugs if you ever think it's likely to beat a track like "Angels".
Al - I think the point is that LWTUA was better than the other nominated tracks.
I would have nominated stuff by Teardrop Explodes, Julian Cope, House Of Love, Chameleons, etc...
Thing is, out of the 5 nominated, the S**t awards were relying mainly on Radio 2 listeners...
Originally posted by CuanaD Whats the chances that Williams gets up to accept the award & namechecks JD/NO - he'd do anything 4 a bit of credability
Sadly, I saw about an hour of the Brits show at the pub tonight (a couple of healthy scoops after playing 5 a side) and we'd been taking the piss out of the 'rivals' for the best song of the last 25 years... when... RW & Joss Stone come on & perform a duet of said 'best song'... as he walks off stage, RW sings into his mike "Love, love will tear us apart, again..." probably as some kind of namecheck stunt for a bit of credibility one might suggest:D
Oh and by the way, Franz Ferdinand played their hit "Take me out" dressed in a post punk manner very reminiscent of a certain band you may be familiar with;)
Apart from that, it was all about The Biz whoring itself around etc etc
Just watched the Brit Awards tonight having no prior knowledge of what was going to happen. Nearly dropped me supper when I heard about 3 seconds of Love Will Tear Us Apart. I was actually glad it didn't win. We'd start to get people covering it on reality shows. Keep it aloof and beyond mass acceptance.
I nearly put my foot through the tv when the fat tap dancer from Stoke sung the line LWTUA at the end of his lacklustre version of "Shingles". Was he taking the piss? Hope Hooky had a word.
Fell off the sofa when Hooky & Bernard walked on. Liked the way Bernard corrected Chris Evans on the intro ("You forgot legends"). Hope he called him a ginger c---, off mike, too. Wouldn't surprise me.
That was surreal. Will they get lifetime achievers award next year ?
Bang on about Franz Fredinand. I too was thinking they are much more Hitler Youth than New Order ever were.
Originally posted by HaciendaThat Fell off the sofa when Hooky & Bernard walked on. Liked the way Bernard corrected Chris Evans on the intro ("You forgot legends"). Hope he called him a ginger c---, off mike, too. Wouldn't surprise me.
Just to correct you slightly...Evans said legends and Barney corrected him and said "LIVING legends"! 
Originally posted by Chris Nash > > Al - I think the point is that LWTUA was better than the other nominated tracks.> > I would have nominated stuff by Teardrop Explodes, Julian Cope, House Of Love, Chameleons, etc...> > Thing is, out of the 5 nominated, the S**t awards were relying mainly on Radio 2 listeners...
The point is though, it isn't. Angels won because the majority of people think it's a better song. Them's the facts. I ain't gonna get a gob on and call Robbie Williams fat and sulk as a result. WE might think LWTUA is a better song but general concensus says Nope, sorry, it's not. And the very people here whinging that Robbie beat 'their' band would probably be crying into their cornflakes if the roles had been reversed and mums and dads and grannies and kids starting getting massively into New Order themselves and took away the mystique. You just can't win.
I've seen New order and Robbie perform together. Say one thing for the lad, he's a fantastic entertainer. Makes me laugh that some people think they're above that sort of music just because it's 'pop'.
Originally posted by Chris Nash > Originally posted by Al Jarvis Do people on this thread honestly then believe that Love Will Tear Us Apart IS the best song from the last 25 years?!I for one, don't. I don't think it's even Joy Division New Order's finest moment from the past 25 years. You're mugs if you ever think it's likely to beat a track like "Angels".
Al - I think the point is that LWTUA was better than the other nominated tracks.
I would have nominated stuff by Teardrop Explodes, Julian Cope, House Of Love, Chameleons, etc...
Thing is, out of the 5 nominated, the S**t awards were relying mainly on Radio 2 listeners...
The point is though, it isn't. Angels won because the majority of people think it's a better song. Them's the facts. I ain't gonna get a gob on and call Robbie Williams fat and sulk as a result. WE might think LWTUA is a better song but general concensus says Nope, sorry, it's not. And the very people here whinging that Robbie beat 'their' band would probably be crying into their cornflakes if the roles had been reversed and mums and dads and grannies and kids starting getting massively into New Order themselves and took away the mystique. You just can't win.
I've seen New order and Robbie perform together. Say one thing for the lad, he's a fantastic entertainer. Makes me laugh that some people think they're above that sort of music just because it's 'pop'.
I have no fcuking idea what happened there but I appear to have created a post within a post. Tops! 
No for the first time, I find myself in agreement with the sagely Mr. Jarvis. LWTUA WAS NOT the best song in the best of the Brtis shortlist. "Wuthering Heights" is the one for me.
Just as an aside though Al, aren't New Order already loved by mums, dads and grandparents?! Just not "the kids"!
I didn't watch the Brits but my two-year-old apparently jumped out of his seat when they played a clip of "First of the gang to die"! It's his big sister's favourite song (and she's 6!) [After March 28th they'll have 6 copies of WFTSC in the multi CD changer just to be sure they get the message!]
Originally posted by Al Jarvis The point is though, it isn't. Angels won because the majority of people think it's a better song. Them's the facts. I ain't gonna get a gob on and call Robbie Williams fat and sulk as a result. WE might think LWTUA is a better song but general concensus says Nope, sorry, it's not. And the very people here whinging that Robbie beat 'their' band would probably be crying into their cornflakes if the roles had been reversed and mums and dads and grannies and kids starting getting massively into New Order themselves and took away the mystique. You just can't win. I've seen New order and Robbie perform together. Say one thing for the lad, he's a fantastic entertainer. Makes me laugh that some people think they're above that sort of music just because it's 'pop'.
Don't know if any argument about what's "The Best Song" is actually sustainable is it? Surely it's all utterly subjective. Just because a majority of Brit voters selected Robbie, what does that mean? A majority of voters would probably also say that Friends is the best ever TV show, Bush should be president or Titanic's the best movie. Maybe even McDonalds is the best food going. Because these sorts of things cater for pretty basic tastes, they win popular support. Sociologists will tell you that most punters simply aren't capable of intellectually 'appropriating' more complex arrangements or artforms because they don't have the analytical skills to do so. I'm not comparing Joy Division to Brahms here, but what did we expect? Something with broad base, lowest common denominator appeal will always win out. Unless it's voted for by critics and even then it's all so subjective and contextual.
I for one think Robbie is an overrated knobhead and this award has nothing to do with it. I question how much vocal and songwriting talent he actually possesses and his alleged charm just screams self-absorbed c*nt to me. But let the masses have him and their Brit awards, I'm happy to keep the last vestiges of JD cred in the popular culture fringes. Al's air of 'JD mystique' is going to be sucked pretty dry once the Curtis films start rolling into the multiplexes.
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If 24 Hour Pary People is anything to go by, it'll hardly register on the Williams voter's radars.
Lest we forget, it was Gareth Chambermaid who penned the song 'Angelwind' and not the tatto friendly Robert Winkler. Itself a stomach churning collapse of perspective towards the musically challenged one.
Alongside our own JD, there are copious chickens flocking in their crib primed for the plucking. I'm no Gambacini, but even Junior Senior rank above Robert Winkler.
