New Order's Waiting For The Sirens' Call and Homer's Odyssey (Revision # 1)

Track 2: (Hey Now What You Doing) “Banging on an open gate”This is one of the most memorable lines on the album, but so far I have not been able to assign an Odyssey parallel to this line. Any assistance on this point would be most appreciated.

Cursory inspection (if indeed the marriage of two such words is not oxymoronic) would place Troy close to the neck of the Bosphorus, the gate to the east. The Trojan Horse opened that gate.

Track 3: (Waiting for the Sirens’ Call) “Gotta catch the midnight train” Of course there are no railroad trains in The Odyssey, but the reference to a “midnight train” suggests dangerous and surreptitious journeys, of which there are many in The Odyssey.

Not all trains are motorised, wagon trains typified Eastwood's millions, and convoy would be required to cross from Hellenic mainland to the foothills of the Dardanelles.

“Travel with a document/ All across the continent”I have not so far identified a precise parallel in the Odyssey for these lines, but the general notion of a messenger carrying an important document on a long and dangerous journey is certainly not foreign to the body of literature of which The Odyssey is a part.

With or without document? Without may be a better fit in the lyrical scheme of things. Stone tablets were transportable, but only in smaller size.

RE: P's earlier question:

The only thing you may find interesting is that the ring is actually the top of the well (the shape of the well) where the girl was imprisoned.

I took the film reversal effect as a metaphor for how lives are a series of events based on coincidence. If life were reversed, would different events have taken place.

oldmonkey wrote: Track 2: (Hey Now What You Doing) “Banging on an open gate”This is one of the most memorable lines on the album, but so far I have not been able to assign an Odyssey parallel to this line. Any assistance on this point would be most appreciated.

Cursory inspection (if indeed the marriage of two such words is not oxymoronic) would place Troy close to the neck of the Bosphorus, the gate to the east. The Trojan Horse opened that gate ...

... cue the greek aficionado, hair windswept, walking into the fray from the forest.

oldmonkey wrote: Track 2: (Hey Now What You Doing) “Banging on an open gate”This is one of the most memorable lines on the album, but so far I have not been able to assign an Odyssey parallel to this line. Any assistance on this point would be most appreciated.

Cursory inspection (if indeed the marriage of two such words is not oxymoronic) would place Troy close to the neck of the Bosphorus, the gate to the east. The Trojan Horse opened that gate.

Track 3: (Waiting for the Sirens’ Call) “Gotta catch the midnight train” Of course there are no railroad trains in The Odyssey, but the reference to a “midnight train” suggests dangerous and surreptitious journeys, of which there are many in The Odyssey.

Not all trains are motorised, wagon trains typified Eastwood's millions, and convoy would be required to cross from Hellenic mainland to the foothills of the Dardanelles.

“Travel with a document/ All across the continent”I have not so far identified a precise parallel in the Odyssey for these lines, but the general notion of a messenger carrying an important document on a long and dangerous journey is certainly not foreign to the body of literature of which The Odyssey is a part.

With or without document? Without may be a better fit in the lyrical scheme of things. Stone tablets were transportable, but only in smaller size.

I'm glad to see you are entering into the spirit of things, OM. If you're not careful, you may start revealing personal details.

I feel that these responses will require careful study on my part before being incorporated, probably inaccurately, in my little piece.

I thank you most warmly for your expert contribution, kind sir.

Feel free to continue, or not, as you choose.

Huntsman wrote: RE: P's earlier question:

The only thing you may find interesting is that the ring is actually the top of the well (the shape of the well) where the girl was imprisoned.

I took the film reversal effect as a metaphor for how lives are a series of events based on coincidence. If life were reversed, would different events have taken place.

It took me about twelve viewings to arrive at the understanding you achieved with one, H.

Pastry, I've had a response on the lotus eaters section - has that been resolved yet?

Huntsman wrote: Pastry, I've had a response on the lotus eaters section - has that been resolved yet?

Only that it's probably track 6. That's as far as we've gotten.

Huntsman wrote: RE: P's earlier question:

The only thing you may find interesting is that the ring is actually the top of the well (the shape of the well) where the girl was imprisoned.

I took the film reversal effect as a metaphor for how lives are a series of events based on coincidence. If life were reversed, would different events have taken place.

Is this the subtitled original or the remake?

Two films in discussion today Hanksford; The Hollywood Rings and Rules of Attractiveness.

If there are any horror-genre poseurs ... ?

Lotus-eaters, H?

I'm currently clarifying P - I haven't forgotten.

Huntsman wrote: Two films in discussion today Hanksford; The Hollywood Rings and Rules of Attractiveness.

If there are any horror-genre poseurs ... ?

Am I right in thinking The Ring and it's sequel were originally Japanese but remade in English?

I fell asleep half way through each one last week. Managed to piece together what happened in the 1st one from the start of the 2nd. Are they planning a 3rd?

Hank Wiseass© wrote:

Huntsman wrote: Two films in discussion today Hanksford; The Hollywood Rings and Rules of Attractiveness.

If there are any horror-genre poseurs ... ?

Am I right in thinking The Ring and it's sequel were originally Japanese but remade in English?

I fell asleep half way through each one last week. Managed to piece together what happened in the 1st one from the start of the 2nd. Are they planning a 3rd?

I hope not.

There are, I think, '3' Japanese 'Ring' movies. Hollywood re-made a combination of two of them and then released Ring 2 which comprised elements of the Japanese Ring which was released during their first effort.

Are you following this?

The Japanese versions are perceived to be scarier, but I thoroughly enjoyed the Hollywood re-makes.

Patrick really enjoyed The Ring movies and I'm certain will be delighting in his thread being an open forum for discussions about them.

Huntsman wrote: Patrick really enjoyed The Ring movies and I'm certain will be delighting in his thread being an open forum for discussions about them.

You're quite right, H, Peter Jackson's trilogy are among my favorite films, along with ROA of course.

Patrick wrote: Lotus-eaters, H?

I'm going out on a limb here with appropriations of text and interpretations from the expert but here goes ...

The Ciconians populated an island which offered hospitality to Homer's homeys. After crash landing their sea vessel H and the gang proceeded to scoff pigs, sup tea, slaughter geese and be downright nasty to the Ciconians.

When the C's asked the homeys to get stuffed, the stubborn homeys ate and drank even more, and even used the tennis courts when the sign clearly stated that they were being refurbished.

After a while the Cpeople got some of their own neighboring crew on board and took vengeance on most of the homeys - although some made it back to the wagon.

The 'lotus-eater' motif is something to do with eating / drinking and never coming back ... a bit like visiting a McDonald's for the first time.

Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote: Lotus-eaters, H?

I'm going out on a limb here with appropriations of text and interpretations from the expert but here goes ...

The Ciconians populated an island which offered hospitality to Homer's homeys. After crash landing their sea vessel H and the gang proceeded to scoff pigs, sup tea, slaughter geese and be downright nasty to the Ciconians.

When the C's asked the homeys to get stuffed, the stubborn homeys ate and drank even more, and even used the tennis courts when the sign clearly stated that they were being refurbished.

After a while the Cpeople got some of their own neighboring crew on board and took vengeance on most of the homeys - although some made it back to the wagon.

The 'lotus-eater' motif is something to do with eating / drinking and never coming back ... a bit like visiting a McDonald's for the first time.

That was a delight to read, H, as your compositions always are. Could you point out a little more clearly the lines in track 6 or elsewhere on WFTSC that reference these incidents?

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote: Lotus-eaters, H?

I'm going out on a limb here with appropriations of text and interpretations from the expert but here goes ...

The Ciconians populated an island which offered hospitality to Homer's homeys. After crash landing their sea vessel H and the gang proceeded to scoff pigs, sup tea, slaughter geese and be downright nasty to the Ciconians.

When the C's asked the homeys to get stuffed, the stubborn homeys ate and drank even more, and even used the tennis courts when the sign clearly stated that they were being refurbished.

After a while the Cpeople got some of their own neighboring crew on board and took vengeance on most of the homeys - although some made it back to the wagon.

The 'lotus-eater' motif is something to do with eating / drinking and never coming back ... a bit like visiting a McDonald's for the first time.

That was a delight to read, H, as your compositions always are. Could you point out a little more clearly the lines in track 6 or elsewhere on WFTSC that reference these incidents?

Who cares? It's a cracking story!

I've had an update, I'll recompile.

Patrick wrote: Did you have those thingies on the other one, DC?

Somehow I failed to notice them. Must have been a weekend.

I'm glad to see you're in an apparently friendly mood today, DC.

By "thingies" I assume you refer to the UFO gunships?

No, there were no UFOs in the other thread, it was a disaster far more topical. You need to re-check it and wait for the doom to unfold before your eyes Pats.

:\pimp3:

Again, this is a paraphrase / text acquisition / limbo dance routine ...

Homeboy's arrival at the Ciconian gig marked a low point in his career. He had become lazy on vast profits gained from record sales on his new label. Having also been recently featured on Cribs all of the homey's wanted to laze around with Homer-boy and they didn't realise that the 'lotus-fruit' or blow was making them even more placid. As they 'hung-out' they forgot their families back in the hood and all the while rivaling gangs were brandishing their weaponry. With record sales sliding, the C's released a Euro-pop anthem that just about obliterated H and the Homey's ... who duly scarp-erred back to their ride.

The postscript to this is that H and the gang then took it upon themselves to visit the Cyclops wedging a piece of wood in his one good eye.

Huntsman wrote: Again, this is a paraphrase / text acquisition / limbo dance routine ...

Homeboy's arrival at the Ciconian gig marked a low point in his career. He had become lazy on vast profits gained from record sales on his new label. Having also been recently featured on Cribs all of the homey's wanted to laze around with Homer-boy and they didn't realise that the 'lotus-fruit' or blow was making them even more placid. As they 'hung-out' they forgot their families back in the hood and all the while rivaling gangs were brandishing their weaponry. With record sales sliding, the C's released a Euro-pop anthem that just about obliterated H and the Homey's ... who duly scarp-erred back to their ride.

The postscript to this is that H and the gang then took it upon themselves to visit the Cyclops wedging a piece of wood in his one good eye.

It's beginning to sound like the Biggy and Tupac story, with a guest appearence by that Gabrielle woman.

Is there a rap album entitled 'Homey's Odyssey'?

The English equivalent may be 'Benjamin's Quest for Lightly Buttered Scones'

Norman, have you ever seen the hit film; 'Ghost Rig'?

Huntsman wrote: Is there a rap album entitled 'Homey's Odyssey'?

The English equivalent may be 'Benjamin's Quest for Lightly Buttered Scones'

Pat is phat, Whattock is nasty, DJ DC's buying, A mother f*****g pastie.

Peace out!

Huntsman wrote: Norman, have you ever seen the hit film; 'Ghost Rig'?

My wife saw it. She says it's shit.

It's time for me to eat my lunch.

What's gotten into DC?

He's so mild today.

Do you suppose he's ill?

His posting has been erratic at the extreme. When he ventures back to comment on a back catalogue number of almost no consequence I might ask him if he has seen Ghost Rig, the hit movie.

Patrick wrote: It's time for me to eat my lunch.

What's gotten into DC?

He's so mild today.

Do you suppose he's ill?

What are you having for lunch?

I had a yogurt and then thought of the answer to Who's Joe.

Certainly the best things to happen since I put my underpants on this morning.