Letter from Australia (Jarvo's texts) — Forum Archive

28 Jan 2002, 10:57

Got a whole load of texts from Jarvo again this morning..

Messages to releate...

BDO was good, but rather odd...

Apparently some guy got thrown out for a) Shouting for a song between tracks and b) Dancing

Apparently people complained down the front and then clapped when he was thrown out...

Jeez, if thats the case most of us would have been fucked....

Having said that Jarvo said the guy was doing a very bad air bass, so perhaps its reasonable....

Set List was Crystal Trasmission Regret Rock The Shack 60MPH KW1 Close Range BLT Temptation LWTUA BM

Right, i will keep you all informed of any more Jarvis communication....

Liv :angel:

28 Jan 2002, 11:04

thanx Liv. Shocking news about that guy being thrown out. I wonder how it is possible to be properly heard shouting for songs inbetween when there is lots of noise around you??Is every one in seats or something??Weird...

28 Jan 2002, 11:07

Originally posted by obviously it has to be SUPERMARIO thanx Liv.Shocking news about that guy being thrown out. I wonder how it is possible to be properly heard shouting for songs inbetween when there is lots of noise around you??Is every one in seats or something??Weird...

Tis all very odd isnt it Mario?! I was amazed when Jarvo said that.... still, different people, different rules i guess...

Liv :angel:

28 Jan 2002, 11:14

There must've been more to it than dancing and making calls for song titles.. We all would have been turfed.

It's almost all-standing, ala Reading, etc.

28 Jan 2002, 11:33

THats what i say. People should be thrown out when they are NOT dancing and shouting. Maybe there is another meaning in the words Down Under??

28 Jan 2002, 12:29

Hey Mario! (and hello Liv!!, how's life?)

All well? OK!

Well, if I read this and this is true, we would have been kicked out out of the London and/or Cologne concert some 1,453,877 times (rough estimate) :D

DJ

28 Jan 2002, 12:31

or was it 1,453,878 times (cannot recall exactly anymore).

Aussie's measures for all people dancing: :violent:

Aussie's measures for all people shouting: :headoff:

28 Jan 2002, 12:32

oh my.... still 11 to go (I will never reach 1000, I'm afraid..... :cry: )

28 Jan 2002, 12:41

Relax Jim, with your multiple posting attitude you'll be there very soon:D I am still upset about Jarvo's message to liv...somebody's pullin' our leg, must be :lol: On the other hand...you also get these concerthalls where everyone is in seats.I believe you'll find a lot of them in our beloved Us of A. Never really understood that either.It's allright for a classical concert, but no more than that!!

28 Jan 2002, 14:05

yeah Mario...

I've never figured it out...

"Let's put in seats that no one will use"...

I take that back...I used mine quite a bit at Area One, waiting for the order...but then I didn't use it again once they came on stage...so maybe they serve a purpose!

28 Jan 2002, 16:50

To keep everyone up to date on the guy getting kicked out thing, and if they saw it they must have been close. This guy was a complete tosser, jumping all over everyone and knocking around some of the smaller people with the foresight to get to the front early, he was a distraction and may have reduced some peoples enjoyment of the set (there were some oldies up the front). Funnily enough he was kicked out at the start of Your Silent Face, quite ironic for the poor guy. It was not that he was jumping around and dancing, shit everyone was doing that, it was that he was not respecting anyones space, one minute he was 10 metres away from you the next you were getting knocked around with his bad air bass impersonation, and it was very bad. Well i enjoyed myself, check out my thread for more info

28 Jan 2002, 17:12

Thanx for your further explanation on this mindblowing report. After reading your description of that guy, its all clear to me now. He fully deserved what happened to him. He should have been shot! on stage!!!Now that would have been something. Or have him gangbanged by a dozen mature kangaroos. I like to dance wild too, but i always try to respect other people and their way of enjoying concerts(as long as they don't drink gallons of water)

28 Jan 2002, 17:46

Man I know what your all talking about with that guy. He was a fucker. People told him to settle, but he was just a looser. He would hug people so hard and then push him self infront of them. And his singing..... man his singing, it was so annoying. He would sing louder than the band and was a word late. I would of killed him if he had of stayed. It was for his own safety that he was kicked out.

28 Jan 2002, 18:00

Guess we all know where Marty's been then !! Swimming to Oz :lol:

28 Jan 2002, 18:01

Originally posted by obviously it has to be SUPERMARIO On the other hand...you also get these concerthalls where everyone is in seats.I believe you'll find a lot of them in our beloved Us of A. Never really understood that either.It's allright for a classical concert, but no more than that!!

Yeah Ive been to a few gigs in Aust were people are sitting, but no one ever stays in their chair, at the Travis gig people rushed the stage and busted a groove with Fran and the boys. But that was an excellent theater, used majoritly for opera's and the such. The Forum is also lovely with a fake celing of stars, that also has rows of seats, but a huge dance floor, so you can wonder back to and forth. Festival Hall aslo has heaps of seats, but right now i'm wondering why im talking about seats... Oh yeah In Melbourne we are not big on sitting either, but some of these venues are mighty pretty and no one stops you from dancing like a fool and rushing up close the stage and dancing with the rest of them.

28 Jan 2002, 18:06

Well, im glad this has been cleared up... The guy must have been a right cretinous tosspot (to coin a phrase)...Jarvo just said exactly as i explained in my first post.

As for people getting rowdy at gigs, ive got a tale or two about gigs and tossers... but hey, thats another thread... lol

Liv :angel:

28 Jan 2002, 18:39

Originally posted by Gemma Patford Man I know what your all talking about with that guy. He was a fucker. People told him to settle, but he was just a looser. He would hug people so hard and then push him self infront of them. And his singing..... man his singing, it was so annoying. He would sing louder than the band and was a word late. I would of killed him if he had of stayed. It was for his own safety that he was kicked out.

So you must have been quite close to the front. Where were you standing? Were you anywhere neer a tall guy in a red Get Ready t-shirt and a shorter guy in a Dylan t-shirt with a floppy hat?

28 Jan 2002, 18:49

Liv, you missed out Toothache, babe. It was on the text. Came after BLT and b4 Temptation (where else would it be?)

As for this guy getting thrown out, please BEHAVE people! I was stood 6ft from him down the front and he didn't bother me one iota. There's a huge gap before YSF and he's repeatedly shouting for 'Temptation' (believe me, this Aussie crowd was so quiet he's the ONLY ONE shouting) and security lean up over the barriers and tell him to shut up cos he's spoiling everyone else's fun! How many X thousands of people there?! The crowd around us actually CLAP security! How Rock & Roll! The guy is genuinely apologetic but then during said YSF he's trying to get in front of Hooky and pulling the worst air bass poses imaginable and next thing you know people are complaining, security are hauling him out and everyone's CLAPPING again. Surely people post on a site like this for the camaraderie - please put that into practice next time you're near the front. And if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Honestly, none of you would last one track into a New Order gig on English soil. I was disgusted at people's attitudes last night, hence the text to Liv telling her what I saw! It was comical, to be blunt. Oh, and for the record, the bloke was perhaps 5'6 tops. An English babe like Liv could've eaten three of him for breakfast.

Anyway, as for the gig - we got a set-change! So happy for small mercies these days but RTS came in 4th with KW1 6th, making this different to the other BDO sets. Indeed, I got the set-list off Diane (sound woman) at the end of the gig and it was simply the original BDO set with Lov Vig and Atmosphere crossed out and 'Shack' and 'KW1' scrawled over the top (well, actually, KW1 was scrawled in next to Atmos so perhaps Atmos was dropped due to time restrictions?).

Couple of other points from last night's gig - Hooky had a Pavement t-shirt on. They support Luton, you know. Well, their manager does and they're Yanks, aren't they, but they're listed as 'famous fans' of our anyways!

Watched Phil C a lot. What does he do? Watched him closely during Transmission and he didn't play a solitary note, just threw lots of Pete Townsend raaaack poses.

Hooky's Mrs was trying to get his daughter to dance during Rock the Shack. Little Miss Hook wasn't having any of it, mind. How sweet.

LFC was STILL in day-glo at the side of the stage. And thankfully we didn't get any MUFC trite off the Barnster last night.

Low-sun at the start of the set meant Barney could hardly read his monitors - he was squinting for about 5 songs in - so he even cocked up the lyrics for Crystal. HOW?!

Oh, and I dunno if anyone else has noticed that the Specials 'Nite Klub' has been played straight after Blue Monday at all BDO's (cue hilarious Rude Boy dancing from the roadies at Sydney) but that's NOTHING to do with the Order. It's actually the Prodigy's sound man who starts with that one.

Watched the first few songs of the Prodigy's set. Used to have a lot of respect for them but they appear to have re-invented themselves as Slipknot now! Which would go down well with Aussies - have seen no end of Slipknot T's at these gigs but did actually saw a record number of Neworder T's at yesterday's BDO. THREE! And one of them belonged to Johnny Giles! But at least the Prodigy got the crowd 'jumping'. What's all that about then? Heathens.

Perhaps see some of you at the Metro? Remember now, no dancing, some of us are trying to send text messages to Engerland!!

;)

28 Jan 2002, 18:49

or near that bloke who had a red carnation in his lapel ?

28 Jan 2002, 21:32

I have to admit the crowd was pretty sedate, but it was always going to be the way for fogie bands at the big day out. And for that guy, you can defend him but he was a tosser, plain and simple. After coping a slight friendly headbutt from one of his attrocious air bass manuevers he was lucky i did not clock him one, but according to the security rules!!!! i would have been ejected at this point. I would hope the crowd on wednesday night is not as sedate, but having a crowd wait all day can tire out the most rabid NO fan

29 Jan 2002, 09:49

Oh such comedy at the Melbourne BDO.

Lets get some perspective around the, shall we call him, Air Bass Guy.

Ok, ABG was playing some fairly embarrassing AB, I would even expect him to cause some raised eye brows at a Status Quo gig for that display. Next time ABG, get it out of yer system with a tennis racket in front of the bathroom mirror before you leave the house.

He was also a harmless fan, understandably enthusiastic about seeing the most pioneering & influencial rock band since the Beatles, appearing in his town for the first time in ~ 15 years. Agreed ?

Shouting between songs? jumping around? well, there but for the grace of God goes...etc etc

There is perhaps some context needed. Once again, as reported from the Gold Coast & Hordern shows, the crowd was about as rowdy as an Old Folks Home after a big Sunday dinner so anyone caught scratching their arse with both hands was liable to have a searchlight shone at them.

When the security guy bollocked him for shouting out Temptation & calling to the band, this was surely influenced by how quiet the rest of the audience were & this made him look slightly out of place. I also feel some people sensed that as he was effectively on a 'yellow card' at this stage he would be an easy target to get ejected. Sure enough during the next track a couple of people pointed him out to security - for no more than repeating his bad AB - & the band wagon was quickly jumped on by a further 10 - 15 people & this proved sufficient popular opinion for security to take the easy option & chuck ABG out of the gig.

I was stood directly behind ABG for a couple of tracks & no more than 10 yards away when he was ejected. To brand him a 'tosser' or a 'loser' is harsh to say the least, at worst he was slightly irritating & if he'd been at the vast majority of NO gigs I've attended he would have gone completely unnoticed in a sea of heaving ecstatic bodies.

The manner in which a small number of people managed to get this guy ejected was disappointing & I have to say I don't think I've seen such a pathetic scene at any gig anywhere let alone a NO show.

Please, lets demonstrate a modicum of tolerance & not persecute people for showing a degree of individuality however it may disagree with what we think is 'normal' behaviour.

Gemma & Obi, I respect your views but would strongly endorse Allen Jarvis' recommendation that you don't come to any NO gigs in the UK. Fcuk me you'd get the shock of your sheltered lives.

29 Jan 2002, 10:02

Too right on the last para at least - I've still got a dent in my head from a monitor from 1985 !!

29 Jan 2002, 10:04

And, if shouting out tracks you want to hear was a red card offence at gigs in the UK, I'd have hung me boot(legs) up years ago :)

29 Jan 2002, 10:45

Think it was the most battered I've ever been in my life down at Brixton shows this year. I went on holiday with the missus the day after and she spent the whole week worrying about showing off all the bruises in her bikini that she'd gained in concert! The fact they'd put the thermostat up to about 35c didn't help.

I'd much prefer that to a sedate polite crowd any day though

29 Jan 2002, 11:16

Well Allen, thanks a lot for finally clearing up the story of the removed young man(it has become quite a story here , hasn't it). With your report added that makes nearly 3 versions of mentioned "abduction". I must admit that i value yours the most simply because you are always very reliable in your newsscoops and storys(even the rumorous ones like bar cuba:D). And now that i've heard your story i feel very sorry for that guy and like to withdraw what i said about him being shot on stage. (i kinda liked the kangaroo part so i'll leave that in :lol: :lol: I hope this fella will read this thread one of these days and in case he does: Don't let them get you down mate, just keep being yourself and enjoy gigs the way you want to. Cheers :smoking: :cool2:

My god , what a day this gonna be...!

29 Jan 2002, 17:34

One thing to add - Hooky very nearly KILLED a security guard at said gig. He accidentally (although to be honest, it didn't look too much like an accident) kicked a light off the stage during Temptation (I think?) which dropped - what? - 12 or 15ft down to hard earth, just whizzing past this security guard's head. One foot to the left and that light would've split the guards head wide open. Close call.

29 Jan 2002, 18:05

Originally posted by Seb Briggs Think it was the most battered I've ever been in my life down at Brixton shows this year. I went on holiday with the missus the day after and she spent the whole week worrying about showing off all the bruises in her bikini that she'd gained in concert! The fact they'd put the thermostat up to about 35c didn't help.I'd much prefer that to a sedate polite crowd any day though

Totally agree Sebsy :nod: I've been to a few rough one's - but the last night in Brixton was fuckin' banana's mate, I was right at the front (in front of Barney) had to jump over the barrier during BLT - couldn't fuckin breathe - worked me way through the bodies to the Bar - got a pint - back down to the front where I watched Temptation from the side - downed the beer and jumped straight back to the front to be squashed for the last 2 or 3 songs - Fuckin Brilliant :lol:

30 Jan 2002, 04:21

Shugsy boy, I was right on the fence in front of Barney too. Probably spent the entire night trading elbows!

30 Jan 2002, 05:26

I somehow always manage to get stuck behind the snogging couple at gigs. Quite distasteful. Or the bloke that took a wrong turn on his way back to the institution. I guess I must just be a weirdo magnet. (all the people around me at footie are nuts as well.)

30 Jan 2002, 05:32

So you must have been quite close to the front. Where were you standing? Were you anywhere neer a tall guy in a red Get Ready t-shirt and a shorter guy in a Dylan t-shirt with a floppy hat?

30 Jan 2002, 05:45

Originally posted by Obi >

So you must have been quite close to the front. Where were you standing? Were you anywhere neer a tall guy in a red Get Ready t-shirt and a shorter guy in a Dylan t-shirt with a floppy hat?

Ok I dont know what happend with the last post... Yeah I saw the guy in the Dylan t-shirt. I was at the front, between the 'M' and 'A' in 'YAMAHA'. twas fait exciting having the prime possie. I didn't see the tall chap however.

The Lad yelling out "Temptation" wasnt the poor sap that was thrown out, (and I stand by my earlier remarks of him being a tosser) that was young David, and another spectator reasured him that it would be played, and Davie was subdued.

And to drag out this thread a little more, I can handle roudyness at a gig, i just cant handle shit heads disrespecting peoples space and me paying 85 doooolars to listen to an over excited dero who would rather hear the sound of his own (out of time) voice than the excelent and talented NO.

See you all later, Keep it real and who was at the Gaslight signing?

30 Jan 2002, 06:18

Obvious joke time....

Barney must have been shitting himself if someone got booted out for dancing badly and singing out of tune....

30 Jan 2002, 06:37

:lol:

30 Jan 2002, 06:57

Originally posted by Seb Briggs Obvious joke time....Barney must have been shitting himself if someone got booted out for dancing badly and singing out of tune....

:lol: :laugh: :lol:

31 Jan 2002, 05:45

& I always thought that aussies were a fun loving lager swilling lot! just goes to show...

can't believe you can get thrown out of a gig for having fun & getting into the spirit of it.

there was one guy in manchester on the first night that was tw@tted who got thrown out, but he was leaning all over people for support & couldn't stand up....