Turn will be released on February 20 - CONFIRMED

my only question is:

Are There Remixes?

Spotnick wrote: Just got a scoop from a pretty unusual source...

The Turn promos are in reproduction stage and there should be something on the Warner website pretty soon...

And trust me, this is pretty solid info ;)

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

bring it on ,turn me out!

Was that us or uk promos of turn spotnick?

...By no less than CTB if I'm not mistaken.

Is this for real?

I'll have to start pestering our friend at Warner AU.

:\pimp3:

Oh, this is great news to read. Please make it a proper release, please make it a proper release. Make me proud!

At the very least, make it a proper enough release so I can get people to hound local radio stations for airplay.

Spotnick wrote:

the Turn sleeve is a tern - as predicted by one of your posters on your forum

Should appeal to BSP fans then...

Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease don't let me have to get this on ebay.

Spotnick wrote: Let's say the source doesn't know about the remixes, and it were not their job.

But they told me this, and which is funny:

the Turn sleeve is a tern - as predicted by one of your posters on your forum

Ha HA! I was right, excuse my while I gloat, I so rarely get things accurate....props to Depthy for actually reading and remembering my post from months ago

I can't search the site effectively enough to find the evidence though, but it was similar to the picture posted above. Anyone with the ability to find the thread where I suggested this design half-seriously, feel free to add the link.

I think I deserve a free promo at least for giving them the idea. Coincidentally, I'll be doing a version of Turn for CII....

Great to see such a great track finally getting single release, thanks for the news Spotto!

CTB

I have been waiting for this for a long time.

CANDY the BIRD

Spotnick wrote: Wait a minute, stern is a BIRD?

I thought it was a qualifier... english lesson #1 of the day...

And the guys who corrects me speaks spanish... oh the shame...

;)

Not Stern, Nicos - Tern. It's a seabird related to gulls and the like. The fact that it's a seabird kind of resonates too, as my suggested cover had a photo of a tern on a beach, making another connection with the marine theme that keeps popping up on WFTSC.

Nicos, can you do me a favour and see if you can dig up the thread where we discussed this?

Who would've thought of a connection between Ornithology and New Order? Except for 'Do the Ostrich' and possibly 'Murder' (the "Crows, crows - I hate them!" sample from Caligula - and a collective term for crows is...a Murder of crows, the plot thickens...)

OK, back to work for me.

CTB

Spotnick wrote: Evidences that CTB was right (or influenced Mr Wakefield and Saville) can be found [innerurl=http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=23799]HERE[/innerurl].

Cheers Nicos! CTB

Rocket Mick wrote: CANDY the BIRD

CANDY the TURD, more like, Mickler

great news.

About bloody time!!!

They best also reinstate the part of the intro they lobbed off for the Singles album. Fookin lunacy. Completely fooked up the impact of a cracking opening 30 seconds.

And no fookin attempt to make it more up tempo with warbling, mad bitch in backgraound a la Anna Mantronic on Jizzstream, puuurlllleaaaaze.

Like the tern reference, if true. Absolutely barmy!

One of the best songs of the album yes!!!!!:)

CTB wrote: Not Stern, Nicos - Tern. It's a seabird related to gulls and the like. The fact that it's a seabird kind of resonates too, as my suggested cover had a photo of a tern on a beach, making another connection with the marine theme that keeps popping up on WFTSC.

Who would've thought of a connection between Ornithology and New Order? Except for 'Do the Ostrich' and possibly 'Murder' (the "Crows, crows - I hate them!" sample from Caligula - and a collective term for crows is...a Murder of crows, the plot thickens...)

CTB

It's not often that CTB gets to parade his bird brain on these boards but good on him for making the most of the opportunity.

In celebration of the Wakefield re-appropriation of CTB's design work, I'm gonna follow Nic's lead and pay a little homage with my avatar.

It'd be great to see others do the same. Terns flooding the boards here, what a sight.

:\pimp3:

Spotnick wrote:

Barcaboy99 wrote: About bloody time!!!

They best also reinstate the part of the intro they lobbed off for the Singles album. Fookin lunacy. Completely fooked up the impact of a cracking opening 30 seconds.

That's the whole point of a radio edit.. get right to the point, avoid too long intro.

I thought the edit on Singles basically ruined the track.

It was awful, horrible, dreadful, and bad.

The edit was a little too brutal, I'd agree.

I'm interested in this new tautological tactic of yours though Pats. A new addition to your 2006 repertoire?

:\pimp3:

I'm not convinced.

As Shug say's the 4rth, should have been the 1st or second,as its the best track on the album for me.

Here Here.

London kicking the arse out of it now to extort more money from the "die hard fans"

But as you do you will buy it for the collection!

About time

Is this from Warner Music UK? Wonder what WMG US has anything up their sleeve.

I wonder what new mixes & tracks will appear. I hope it's a physical release and not a bloody digital-only release.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? whats fookin happenin spotnick? Is it going to be a us only release or r.o.tw. or what?

Erm forget the above,i've had a few shandies and i dont know what i'm on about,but my name is

Great new. my dreams are:

Turn cd 1 Turn (single version) EGG (cicada mix) Temptation secet machine mix) GIAUE (bil hammer mix)

Turn cd 2 Turn (new mix) GIAUE (DJ Dan Club Mix) GIAUE (Mac Quayle Extended) GIAUE (Morel's Pink Noise mix)

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF RELEASING IT? JUST SELL OUT SHITES 4 SINGLES? THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK ANYMORE AND HAVENT IN A LONG TIME. OLD CUNTS

I hope it gets a slew of remixes so that the purists get their panties in a bunch. :)

REMIXES RULE - without them, New Order wouldn't have the status and club cred that they have today. And that goes DOUBLE for the United States.

If I could have a 10-minute Leama & Moor remix of 'Turn' that'd make my 2006.

MTO - you beat me to wishing for a very welcomed treatment L&M of Turn for the forthcoming release.

On the flip we could have those elusive Planet Funk mixes of WFTSC (this would be the promo 12")either vocal or dub

Then the proper commercial 12" would be a double single of those two tracks with 2 mixes of GIAUE (Richard Morel and Bill Hamel). CD would have all these tracks plus original version of Turn and GIAUE

This would work very well, Warners could tie the Grammy Nomination onto the release.

Who cares? We have the track already on the LP and have live versions too.

Good news

Am I the only one who ISN'T too overjoyed about them milking the album and bringing out a fourth single? This is going to spoil the nice run they have had with all of the three previous singles reaching the top 21 in the UK: something no other album of theirs has managed. Turn is going to spoil it and stiff around the 40s or summat now. That law of diminishing returns is going to kick in with a vengeance.

And what's the fucking point in hoping for [dance] remixes of it anyway? It's a guitar song and most of the times all [dance] remixes of New Order "guitar" songs (yes, even Regret but most especially that dreadful one of 60MPH) are a bit on the sucky side.

Spotnick wrote:

Diggy Mike wrote: Who cares? We have the track already on the LP and have live versions too.

But you don't have the sleeve...

well im a bit fed up buying new order singles for substandard sleeves.just so that i complete my collection.

[orange]depthcharge[/orange] wrote: The edit was a little too brutal, I'd agree.

I'm interested in this new tautological tactic of yours though Pats. A new addition to your 2006 repertoire?

:\pimp3:

Are you talking about my variations on the theme of bad, DC?

I don't think I've been labeled tautological since high school.

Spotnick wrote: I just got the confirmation by Warner that it's scheduled for February 20.

At last - excellent!! Should release it a week earlier for Valentines - may appeal to singletons who have recently gone through a split

Patrick wrote:

Are you talking about my variations on the theme of bad, DC?

I don't think I've been labeled tautological since high school.

Yes, I heard that grammar was a serious issue during those Truman years. Kids today probably wouldn't know a subject from a predicate to save their lives.

I was unsure whether it was executed for dramatic effect, or perhaps as a result of no one remembering to re-stock the coffee at your office over the break, P.

Trust you had a satisfying holiday, it's been rather quiet in these parts.

:\pimp3:

Great song, great single, great track... Good News!

Roll on friday...

[orange]depthcharge[/orange] wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Are you talking about my variations on the theme of bad, DC?

I don't think I've been labeled tautological since high school.

Yes, I heard that grammar was a serious issue during those Truman years. Kids today probably wouldn't know a subject from a predicate to save their lives.

I was unsure whether it was executed for dramatic effect, or perhaps as a result of no one remembering to re-stock the coffee at your office over the break, P.

Trust you had a satisfying holiday, it's been rather quiet in these parts.

:\pimp3:

I was simply trying in my little way to express my feelings about the Singles edit of Turn.

When you say "these parts," DC, are you speaking of your own personal geographical location, or of NOOL?

It was more of a reference to not seeing you on the NOOL forums for a while, Pats. Your posting has been less than it's usual levels of prodigiousness.

Getting this ship back on course, I wonder what they'll cook up for us in the way of B-sides for this single? Surely a clutch of the recent WFTSC and GIAUE remixes would be preferable to some awkward house reworkings of Turn.

:\pimp3:

Finally! Their best song since Technique!

Better late than never, but it should have been released much earlier. And the edit on Singles, which I suppose will be the single version (seems logical to me...), really spoils the song, which was already short enough for the radio.

GIVE ME ONE DECENT REASON WHY THEY ARE RELEASING THIS SINGLE? AND AS FOR REMIXES....WHO GIVES A FUCK, THEY NEVER GET LISTENED TO AFTER YOU HEAR THEM ONCE, IM NOT INTERESTED IN SOME PRICK I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF FANNYING ABOUT WITH A NEW ORDER TRACK AND IM MEANT TO BE PLEASED WITH IT???? MAYBE I HAVE THE JANUARY BLUES

[orange]depthcharge[/orange] wrote: It was more of a reference to not seeing you on the NOOL forums for a while, Pats. Your posting has been less than it's usual levels of prodigiousness.

Getting this ship back on course, I wonder what they'll cook up for us in the way of B-sides for this single? Surely a clutch of the recent WFTSC and GIAUE remixes would be preferable to some awkward house reworkings of Turn.

:\pimp3:

The UK chart rules seem to dictate these decisions, and seem to bar what you hope for, DC.

Ben wrote: Finally! Their best song since Technique!

Better late than never, but it should have been released much earlier. And the edit on Singles, which I suppose will be the single version (seems logical to me...), really spoils the song, which was already short enough for the radio.

Eh? When was there ever a NO song called "Technique"?? ;)

As for the "radio edits" - they fucking suck! We've had some really crummy ones in the past - World / Ruined come to mind (why the need to snip bits off the intro anyway on those two? - there's also a dreadful one of Regret which again shortens the intro and goes straight into the first verse. I don't think it was ever commercially released but when I hear it on the radio it makes me annoyed!) but the worst one by far was the edit of 1963 we got on "the Best Of" (not the Arthur Baker guitar mix, but the other '94 one) - that was fucking crap!

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote:

Ben wrote: Finally! Their best song since Technique!

Better late than never, but it should have been released much earlier. And the edit on Singles, which I suppose will be the single version (seems logical to me...), really spoils the song, which was already short enough for the radio.

Eh? When was there ever a NO song called "Technique"?? ;)

As for the "radio edits" - they fucking suck! We've had some really crummy ones in the past - World / Ruined come to mind (why the need to snip bits off the intro anyway on those two? - there's also a dreadful one of Regret which again shortens the intro and goes straight into the first verse. I don't think it was ever commercially released but when I hear it on the radio it makes me annoyed!) but the worst one by far was the edit of 1963 we got on "the Best Of" (not the Arthur Baker guitar mix, but the other '94 one) - that was fucking crap!

Technique was aa stunning single. Shame it was never released over here.

But seriously, the edited version of 1987's glorious 1963 song is atrocious, in the sense of Perfect Kiss (album version) editing suite shocker.

Why?

whats the point?

it will only sell to noolers.

album came out yonks ago.

sense?

CTB wrote:

Not Stern, Nicos - Tern. It's a seabird related to gulls and the like.

Actually in the scientific terminology it is Sterna spp. indeed :)

Am very surprised it is to be finally released even though it was included on Singles.

Just hoping for some of the GIAUE mixes i've yet to hear will be included.

They surely won't be doing any TV promotion for it though will they?

My Favorite song from WFTSC..

BALDRICK wrote: My Favorite song from WFTSC..

My favorite song from New Order.

WFTSC was the soundtrack to my whole year. Many of the songs seemed like they were written about things going on in my life at the time, and Turn was definitely the climax.

Patrick wrote:

BALDRICK wrote: My Favorite song from WFTSC..

My favorite song from New Order.

And mine, I would like to see a remix of Turn but also the remixes of Guilt... but knowing Warner they will come up with some way to piss us all off.

Every time I hear the riff from Turn I start singing 'Sleeping My Day Away' by DAD.

If John Denver can claim songwriting credits....

I Think that GIAUE will includes on Turn Single

Post about.

But you don't have the sleeve...

You can't play a sleeve !

CTB wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Wait a minute, stern is a BIRD?

I thought it was a qualifier... english lesson #1 of the day...

And the guys who corrects me speaks spanish... oh the shame...

;)

Not Stern, Nicos - Tern. It's a seabird

It is a tern but terns belong to the family sternidae which is where the confusion may arise.

There are 44 species of tern so which one? Black Noddy anyone?

Spotnick wrote:

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: Am I the only one who ISN'T too overjoyed about them milking the album and bringing out a fourth single? This is going to spoil the nice run they have had with all of the three previous singles reaching the top 21 in the UK: something no other album of theirs has managed. Turn is going to spoil it and stiff around the 40s or summat now. That law of diminishing returns is going to kick in with a vengeance.

And what's the fucking point in hoping for [dance] remixes of it anyway? It's a guitar song and most of the times all [dance] remixes of New Order "guitar" songs (yes, even Regret but most especially that dreadful one of 60MPH) are a bit on the sucky side.

It's the 5th song released from the album though ;)

But you see, I don't know if the press release was right, but it was considered as a single for SINGLES, not for the album..

Actually, it's the 31st single released from SINGLES, isn't it?

Spotnick wrote:

gerry jamieson wrote: GIVE ME ONE DECENT REASON WHY THEY ARE RELEASING THIS SINGLE? AND AS FOR REMIXES....WHO GIVES A FUCK, THEY NEVER GET LISTENED TO AFTER YOU HEAR THEM ONCE, IM NOT INTERESTED IN SOME PRICK I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF FANNYING ABOUT WITH A NEW ORDER TRACK AND IM MEANT TO BE PLEASED WITH IT???? MAYBE I HAVE THE JANUARY BLUES

Then you are simply not interested in singles.

The idea behind the single is to get airplay to promote the ALBUM and to keep New Order in the talk because they are working for a 2006 album AND are nominated for a Grammy, as simple as that.

Plus, I have no idea what will be on it, but if it's the remixes of Guilt Is A Useless Emotion, I'm sure a lot of people will be happy.

i simply am interested in singles....NEW SINGLES. not fleecing punters for more money wake up facts are facts they are riping us off

If the remixes of Guilt are on it I'll be well happy!!!!!!!!!

The Gullibility of us all, heh?! I suspect a certain functional dyslexia, a tern of events that allow's us to associate images completely different from ...... what ever! Turn is a superior track, almost country and wesTern even - a vocal source, that seems Nashville inspired almost - don't be insulted Elvis and Costello both frequent/d there, plus 'they' rather like Martin H's drum licks. If country is the the root of rock - and NO are restarting their band, this is not shameful - but hopefully it annoy the small minded! To source from music, from wherever is ok by me.

Alistair wrote:

Oooh, me brain's capsizing... if they do another 3x7" only job I'll be livid.

If they do that again, I can vouch for at least one scathing letter being written from my desk and sent to Warner's.

it will only be released on minidisc........

Ben wrote: . . . .the edit on Singles, which I suppose will be the single version (seems logical to me...), really spoils the song, which was already short enough for the radio.

Agree totally - i don't understand why they now seem so keen to bastardize good songs to pare them down to 3-4 minutes - it wont get any extra radio play; the edits sound reletavely crap & leave out most of the best instrumental sections & often the best lyrical sections. Anyone hearing Turn for the first time in edit form will not be impressed, wheras the album version would have people phoning radio stations asking for it to be re-played.

This is NewOrder - the people who released 7minute pop songs - whats the problem??????

turn= N.O. vs. mr. orbison.

For Alistair, I would say: If WFTSC is the 1st single off 'Singles' then why the heck didn't GIAUE appear on 'Singles'? It was only nomintaed for a Grammy.

As I told mysilentface in an e-mail, if New Order had released 'Singles' like Pet Shop Boys released 'Discography' in 1991 (with two NEW unreleased songs) THEN I could consider WFTSC the 1st single off 'Singles'. But all those songs on 'Singles' have been released already.

They shoulda put out 'Turn' and THEN 'Singles' (with GIAUE on it) and then released it after the Grammys or something.

In my opinion, and I'm sure I'm alone here, but 'Turn' is the fifth single off the album 'WFTSC"....and so what? Def Leppard had SEVEN singles off 'Hysteria' - Janet Jackson had SEVEN singles off 'Rhythm Nation 1814' and what, Gwen Stefani has had at least 4 singles off 'Love.Angel.Music.Baby'.

Just a thought, that's all. I'm another NOOL who's bitching this Monday. :)

f the remixes (I cannot buy singles for the remixes alone, and definitely not for the trimmed down radio mixes) how about some B-sides?? I loved Player in the League, Sabotage, Behind Closed Doors from the Get Ready singles. WFTSC.. nothing to make me want to buy a single. :\ohwell:

Unfortunately, the consensus on this website (I believe) is that they are "saving" the B-sides for the new album.

The thought of THAT is another thread entirely!!! :)

A few new B-sides would be awesome, ESPECIALLY if they were instrumentals. Those New Order, Electronic, Revenge, and The Other Two B-sides circa 1988-1993 were simply AMAZING!

Come to think of it, I ought to make a CD of those only.

CuanaD wrote:

Anyone hearing Turn for the first time in edit form will not be impressed, wheras the album version would have people phoning radio stations asking for it to be re-played.

Oh, come on, lobbing about 10-20 seconds off the beginning of the song will hardly make people dislike it! Still has the same verses, choruses and tune!

Andy

Mr Discography wrote:

CuanaD wrote:

Anyone hearing Turn for the first time in edit form will not be impressed, wheras the album version would have people phoning radio stations asking for it to be re-played.

Oh, come on, lobbing about 10-20 seconds off the beginning of the song will hardly make people dislike it! Still has the same verses, choruses and tune!

Andy

The Singles edit ruins it.

Patrick wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

CuanaD wrote:

Anyone hearing Turn for the first time in edit form will not be impressed, wheras the album version would have people phoning radio stations asking for it to be re-played.

Oh, come on, lobbing about 10-20 seconds off the beginning of the song will hardly make people dislike it! Still has the same verses, choruses and tune!

Andy

The Singles edit ruins it.

Not so much ruins it but it should have been left alone.

MTO wrote: Unfortunately, the consensus on this website (I believe) is that they are "saving" the B-sides for the new album.

The thought of THAT is another thread entirely!!! :)

A few new B-sides would be awesome, ESPECIALLY if they were instrumentals. Those New Order, Electronic, Revenge, and The Other Two B-sides circa 1988-1993 were simply AMAZING!

Come to think of it, I ought to make a CD of those only.

yeah, I know I'm dreaming when I say I want B-sides for WFTSC and will have to wait like the rest of us for the new album to get a taste.. Just want some new NO tracks to listen to.. those B-sides must be pretty good for all of them to be album worthy eh... high expectations are set now for me.

Yeah, a CD of all those would be nice. :D

MTO wrote: As I told mysilentface in an e-mail, if New Order had released 'Singles' like Pet Shop Boys released 'Discography' in 1991 (with two NEW unreleased songs) THEN I could consider WFTSC the 1st single off 'Singles'. But all those songs on 'Singles' have been released already.

They shoulda put out 'Turn' and THEN 'Singles' (with GIAUE on it) and then released it after the Grammys or something.

In my opinion, and I'm sure I'm alone here, but 'Turn' is the fifth single off the album 'WFTSC"....

Agreed! Technically, Turn is the 31st single off SINGLES.

More seriously, it doesn't make sense to speak about whether a single is off the album it originally appeared on or off the singles compilation that followed a few months later, does it?

Now, for those still wanting to be anal, please observe that the design (font, etc.) of the WFTSC single was similar to that of the WFTSC album, not to that of SINGLES, which obviously makes it a single to promote the album and not the compilation.

I preferred the g'd ol' times when New Order released non-album singles and albums with no singles on it.

Technically, WFTSC and Turn are singles from WFTSC Album, not Singles. (At least the way I see it). They're being used to PROMOTE Singles at this point in time, but they're still from WFTSC, as they are originally from the album. Singles is a compilation of just that, their singles...therfore releasing a single from Singles, well, it just gets too complicated!

They're just getting extra promotion for Singles through WFTSC and Turn. It's just like when a new DVD is released in the middle of an album era, and you see promotion for the DVD on the singles. Doesn't mean the singles are FROM the DVD, just promoting it. Since New Order didn't include anything new on Singles, they're just using the rest of the WFTSC singles to promote it.

That's the way I see it, at least.

Dave

PHD wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

CuanaD wrote:

Anyone hearing Turn for the first time in edit form will not be impressed, wheras the album version would have people phoning radio stations asking for it to be re-played.

Oh, come on, lobbing about 10-20 seconds off the beginning of the song will hardly make people dislike it! Still has the same verses, choruses and tune!

Andy

The Singles edit ruins it.

Not so much ruins it but it should have been left alone.

Fair enough, i've just taken the time to listen to the 'Singles' edit - its not bad at all!(far better than all the radio edits they've had in the last few years) - only problem is the instrumental section between the 1st chorus & second verse - sounds very 'cut&paste' (from 1.30-1.45ish). Anyway it does sound radio friendly, so hopefully . . . .

Alistair wrote:

Oooh, me brain's capsizing... if they do another 3x7" only job I'll be livid.

I was happy with the 3x7" of WFTSC.But i did get hold ofthem and the slipcase quickly.Would have been irritated if i'd had trouble getting them.And they all sound great on my turntable.

As for the edit of Turn.I just think it makes it sound like the 'needle' jumping at the start.But i've gone off the track period, recently, anyway.Loved it at first but find it a bit MOR dross lately.

JOHN SLIMIN wrote: it will only be released on minidisc........

If that's the case, some of us that have MD's will be the first to be able to make CD-r clones for the rest of ya

Sher[gold]GOLD[/gold] Six wrote:

JOHN SLIMIN wrote: it will only be released on minidisc........

If that's the case, some of us that have MD's will be the first to be able to make CD-r clones for the rest of ya

shane, thank you very much for the offer.

Crumbs, N/o announce a single release and it gets almost as much negative reaction as positive! For those who don't want Turn released I say...How bout this for a point of view: It's a free market; you want it you buy it, you don't want it, you don't buy it. There's no obligation to buy every single N/O release. You won't die! ( at least not for this).

I think NOOLers should congratulate themselves that they've got better taste than say, Marrillion fans. Whilst NOOL is sorting out a second tribute album, Marillions fan-website had the fans making contributions to fund the making of the actual band's own most recent album (I have no idea what it was called). If they wanted to see 'em live they had to save up for some convention at a Butlins or something. (Probably spent most of their time playing Dungeons & Dragons). What's my point? Well if Turn help keep N/O in the limelight (even a little) then it keeps the band relevant. As long as they're relevant (and making some dosh for London/Warners), they can justify their existance and we won't be stumping up cash to help them make their next album.! As the tagline/lyric above this submission says,"What's the use in complaining when you've got what you don't need"