equipment they used, please

Hello,

im doing a uni assagnment on artists using technology in music, i had to pick an artist, and i picked massive attack. no not realy i actualy picked New Order, thats why im hear.

anyway any imformation on what equipment they used i.e synths samplers drum machines ect. would be a great help. iv got quite a bit of info on the 1980 to 1985 period but i cant find info anywere for the Technique, republic get ready era.

if you no the specific songs that would be great altho iv got shitloads on blue monday.

lastly if anyone knows what synth was used on isolation by joy division that would be great.

thaks for anyones help.

Yu spel wel for a unie stoodent.

Yu must be post-grad, no?

Well, you could start with the Speak and Spell. That might help........................

Is the OP an example of the Queen's English?

I wish we Americans understood our Mother Tongue as well as you Natives. Sometimes, I find it hard to understand what you write!

Ahh well, the abuse is keeping your thread on top until someone sensible comes along

Have a trawl through past threads. People are always speaking about equipment on here.

You can use the search function on the LHS. It works like Google. Type in the names of some equipment you do know and you'll soon come across some threads. Or just type in Martin Hannett, most techy threads will mention him.

Come back and ask more specific questions and someone's bound to know the answers.

Don't expect us to write your homework for you.

Fucking students. Never do any work. Always in the fucking pub. Wasn't like that in my day.

Edit: Search for "Clone Theory". And learn to spell proper

nice helpful replies them.

Blue Monday was done with oberhiem DMX for drums, a couple of mini moogs, prophet 5 and emu emulator, roughly (I'll probably get ripped to shreds for that).

most stuff post BM used octave plateau voyetra synth, which was used a lot until the re grouping in 1994 when I think they started using kerzwiel.

Emulators have always been knocking around, as have other bits and bobs by yamaha and roland, have a look at some live footage and you'll see the gear, and they've used apple macs for years.

the most noticable new order sound comes from peter hook, using an electro harmonix clone theory chorus pedal, and playing in the high register on the bass.

for studio gear, google martin hannett and you'll find all sorts of stuff. barney even used to build his own synths!!

Hope that helps, now I'll get back to being a sarcastic bastard, like everyone else...

Bloody students...have you seen that gay video etc...

Peter Hook's Wikipedia page has some information on the gear he uses.

If you travel down to your local newsagent, one of the Bass Magazines has an interview with Hooky...

He's on the front cover, you can't miss it! :)

Nick King wrote: If you travel down to your local newsagent, one of the Bass Magazines has an interview with Hooky...

He's on the front cover, you can't miss it! :)

or save your legs and see it here: Hooky interview

i theek dey used som drum and vari geetar wid a liddl lecky stuff. oh an an ampy outatoone voice

hope that helps

Neil,

You are going to be attributing everything you find to the proper sources, aren't you, and you are going to check it for spelling and grammar before you submit it, right?

I'll start you off with "Closer":

"The keyboards on "Closer" were basically a Sequential Circuits Pro One, a Powertran Transcendent 2000 and an ARP Omni - in fact, mostly the Omni." Bernard Sumner, quoted in Electronics & Music Maker, March 1985, interview by Matthew Vosburgh

Yous should read these for "Technique": Music Technology April 1989 - interview with Stephen Micro Music January 1990 - interview with Stephen

and these for "Republic": Music Technology issue 90 - interview with Stephen & Gillian Sound On Sound January 1994 - interview with Stephen & Gillian

If you've found these already, fine; if you haven't, it doesn't matter but you should read more.

Peter

Ghost written

If you Youtube New Order's appearance on Rapido in 89 - you can see Stephen in his studio - I think he has a Roland D50 amongst other things, also check their Top of the Pops Fine Time performance in 88.

I know they also used a Roland JD 800 around 1993

If you Youtube New Order's appearance on Rapido in 89 - you can see Stephen in his studio - I think he has a Roland D50 amongst other things, also check their Top of the Pops Fine Time performance in 88.

I know they also used a Roland JD 800 around 1993

If you Youtube New Order's appearance on Rapido in 89 - you can see Stephen in his studio - I think he has a Roland D50 amongst other things, also check their Top of the Pops Fine Time performance in 88.

I know they also used a Roland JD 800 around 1993

If you Youtube New Order's appearance on Rapido in 89 - you can see Stephen in his studio - I think he has a Roland D50 amongst other things, also check their Top of the Pops Fine Time performance in 88.

I know they also used a Roland JD 800 around 1993

If you Youtube New Order's appearance on Rapido in 89 - you can see Stephen in his studio - I think he has a Roland D50 amongst other things, also check their Top of the Pops Fine Time performance in 88.

I know they also used a Roland JD 800 around 1993

If you Youtube New Order's appearance on Rapido in 89 - you can see Stephen in his studio - I think he has a Roland D50 amongst other things, also check their Top of the Pops Fine Time performance in 88.

I know they also used a Roland JD 800 around 1993

That's what happens if you try and wipe snot off a Mac

Thanks for everyones help, especialy the last one, so good it had to be said so many times. Ive already got quite abit of info, just thought it would be good to come to the hardcore fans. As for the spelling, im realy not arsed apout a few mistakes over the internet. But i am however a product of the text and spell check generation. Technology does it for us these days.

Thank you

Emile Strunz wrote: That's what happens if you try and wipe snot off a Mac

snot! on a mac? you perv!

neil williams wrote: Thanks for everyones help, especialy the last one, so good it had to be said so many times. Ive already got quite abit of info, just thought it would be good to come to the hardcore fans. As for the spelling, im realy not arsed apout a few mistakes over the internet. But i am however a product of the text and spell check generation. Technology does it for us these days.

Thank you

Ha ha nice one.

Will you come back and let us know how you get on with your project?

They used to use a guitar lead soldered to the arm of Barney's Nan's record player

Hope this helps.

Emile Strunz wrote: If you Youtube New Order's appearance on Rapido in 89 - you can see Stephen in his studio - I think he has a Roland D50 amongst other things, also check their Top of the Pops Fine Time performance in 88.

I know they also used a Roland JD 800 around 1993

The most glaring example of the D50 is the little melody that plays when the drums drop out on vanishing point. Tis an architypical Roland noise, very nice, very clean, and with a very controlled spectrum (Roland sounds are SO easy to mix with). Ths sound in particular appears on all the D series, and most of the E series and quite a few of the soundcanvas units.

BYW.... BM was a Moog Source, not a Mini. the sound very different...the source can do "sequelchy" the mini can't. The Emulator was mainly used for the spot samples, but is also responsible for (at least) the 2nd string part the enters before the vocals. EMU still ship the same sample set....well at least up until the ES32i, an example of which I own, complete with BM strings on the factory discs.

Biginoil wrote: They used to use a guitar lead soldered to the arm of Barney's Nan's record player

Hope this helps.

Can you IMAGINE what that would sound like? Remember that while the tone arm's pickup would be producing roughly the same level as a guitar or bass, it also feeds through an RIAA pre-amp which whacks fucking TONS of bass boost into the signal....honestly it's a stupendous amount, something like 60dB at 100 Hz for example. WOuld have made Hooky sound like Jah Wobble.

Barney used an autocue

they have used pretty much every synth released since 1978, all of them are stacked up against a wall in steves studio, its a pile about 12 to 13 feet high 20 feet across and about 5 foot deep

I think Barney has used a lot of gear!

This is like the sixth time I've seen people come to the board to write college papers on NO... what type of unis and degrees require thesis' on NO? Now THAT folks is money well spent...

This request comes up a fair bit and I thought there was a sticky elsewhere due to that. Still, once more with feeling, Al...

As my esteemed colleague said, BM is a triumph of the technology of the time: Steve programming the DMX with all of them contributing to the pushes (the drum programme is a real four-way collaboration!), the Moog Source background bass, the Prophet 5 bits and the Emulator samples: c'est magnifique! Confusion was basically a celebration of the Roland TR808 and the Pro-One and the DMX reappeared on Thieves Like Us and This Time Of Night. The DMX had a volatile memory: a roadie tripped over the power cable before a gig, it wiped five songs they were due to play and they were forced to drop them from the set!

The synths in Joy Division were mainly the Powertran Transcendent 2000 which Barney built from a kit, a Sequential Circuits Pro-One (which is the same one which later turned up on Confusion and was sold on Ebay a while back) and an ARP Quartet which was later replaced by a Quadra. All of this lot was used on Closer, Movement, Everything's Gone Green and Temptation...and was later nicked in New York (except the Pro-One which I think was being fixed). They also used a EMS vocoder which appeared on The Beach and Ecstacy but frequently broke down and eventually stopped working, despite having a fortune spent on it.

Their most reliable synth was the infamous Octave Plateau Voyetra, the one you can see Gillian playing in The Perfect Kiss video (mmmm...lovely blusher). They then went Yamaha mad and bought DX816s (eight DX7s in a rack) which is all over Low-Life which was sequenced by a hideous QX1 sequencer.

I think Technique signalled a move to Mac-based sequencing etc and they've been able to slim down their live kit since then, using Roland A50 master keyboards and XP50 workstations . Check the new live DVD to compare what they used years ago and what they used at the cessation of live action in 2006?

Hope this helps a bit. Good luck!

it's Tx816 (or Tx81z maybe), only keyboards bore the title DX. Fuckin rancid things, hateful hateful, hateful, thin, washy, and reeking of all that was shit about the 80's. Their saving graces are light, washy strings, bell sounds and very thin solo instrument sounds, just the sort of thing NO used them for, although SOTN and 1963 stink of DX bass (ironically I think it may be the Emulator actually doing those tho). And as for the QX1....Gillian has bigger balls than me if she took that cnut on, it's like dealing with MS-Windows using a 2 line LCD, it's just pain upon convoluted shift-menu-pain.

The above also omits the Kurzweils, a bloody clever purchase, as the K2000 can do a bloody good impression of any other synth, ever, giving them access to noises off their back catalogue without having to maintain stroppy steam powered gear. (and if you need a measure of how good it's impressions are, check out Pink Floyd using it to "be" an EMS Putney on On The Run live.)

Old Lead Foot wrote: they have used pretty much every synth released since 1978, all of them are stacked up against a wall in steves studio, its a pile about 12 to 13 feet high 20 feet across and about 5 foot deep

I feel your pain leady, in fact I'm glad I've not had to walk away from that pile as you have :(

I'd be straight in digging for the Casios, to remind Steve to actually use them (and then nicking them, cos my CZ3000 is tatey-bread and I'm still always keeping an eye out for another one or a VZ1). Must be some oddities and rarities among them too, things that were the "next big thing" that fell flat on their arse.

I always suspected Steve would bore ME with geek talk

(and I'm fairly sure, that if he could ever be coaxed into it, Bernard could geek-talk until even Robert Moog woulda told him to F* up.)

He'd need a medium to do this as Dr. Rob has been dead a few years!

Sorry to omit the Kurzweil and yes, they are plenty useful. It's the bugger that Steve has beside him on the drum riser. Am I right in thinking that the drum machine parts are not programmed as such but are actually samples of patterns which are actually triggered live by Steve on the Kurzweil? I suppose they must be because if they were recorded onto the hard drive recorder they also use live, he'd not have much to do on songs like BM!

One of the reasons I love Low-Life so much is the overuse of Yamaha stuff of the time. Songs like the 12" of The Perfect Kiss and Subculture are great examples of Steve getting into the rather naff latin percussion sounds and I think he used an RX11 which, when running the QX1 and TX816s amounted to almost a total solution, albeit one without sampling capabilities.

Hooky once said that the QX1 was far from spontaenous and would start "warming up and getting into it after three hours' use". I'm not therefore suprised they went over to Mac sequencing just as I wasn't surprised when the genius Vince Clarke later described Roland's MC4 sequencer as "a pig to use". I was even thinking of buying one before he said this and I thought "If Vince found it a total bastard to programme, what chance do I have?!".

The joys of music technology can also be a double-edged sword...