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indiearchivist wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: LFO did WIFM? That could be ace...
They're probably talking about Mark Bell's mix on The Beautiful Game comp ('96)... Not as much as a hint of LFO in that - is it really the same Mark Bell?
Hmmm, yeah, I'd forgotten about that! 
As to whether it's the same Mark Bell, I'd guess so? :)
Nice project, but I really don't understand why the tracklistings are in this order ... brrr... why not use the albums and singles as the basis and add all the remixes/versions as some kind of bonus tracks. Now it's like using a New Order discography and burn all the titles.
It's nice to see all these remixes, almost complete... indeed almost, but far from complete. As someone said before, it seems every minute a new New Order remix surfaces. I have already a couple of mixes (some officially released) that could easily fill disc number 64 and/or 65...
Funny to see you've put twice the same 7" of Bizarre Love Triangle after each other. Some people still can't hear there is NO difference between the UK and Canadian 7" remix/version. The only thing is that the Canadians have speed up the bpm a bit, so it seems this one is a few seconds shorter. It's actually the US promo 7" that contains an unique edit/mix on one side!
Finally, I'm worried about the quality, as there are digital quality and lots of vinyl tracks mixed together on one disc.
Anyway, I can imagine it has been taking a lot of time, and the result, well you may be proud of it! I guess this box-set is meant to be some kind of reference-book/cd-ish and not to sit down, relax and listen to for a couple of months in a row, right? And Linda, don't reply to every comment, ignore some of these (jealous??) pedants! (hmmm... I hope I didn't sound too argumentative?)
So who wants to trim up that list to only official releases (including official promos - aka no bootleg mixes)? :)
musicoloog wrote: Nice project, but I really don't understand why the tracklistings are in this order ... brrr... why not use the albums and singles as the basis and add all the remixes/versions as some kind of bonus tracks. Now it's like using a New Order discography and burn all the titles.
It's nice to see all these remixes, almost complete... indeed almost, but far from complete. As someone said before, it seems every minute a new New Order remix surfaces. I have already a couple of mixes (some officially released) that could easily fill disc number 64 and/or 65...
Funny to see you've put twice the same 7" of Bizarre Love Triangle after each other. Some people still can't hear there is NO difference between the UK and Canadian 7" remix/version. The only thing is that the Canadians have speed up the bpm a bit, so it seems this one is a few seconds shorter. It's actually the US promo 7" that contains an unique edit/mix on one side!
Finally, I'm worried about the quality, as there are digital quality and lots of vinyl tracks mixed together on one disc.
Anyway, I can imagine it has been taking a lot of time, and the result, well you may be proud of it! I guess this box-set is meant to be some kind of reference-book/cd-ish and not to sit down, relax and listen to for a couple of months in a row, right? And Linda, don't reply to every comment, ignore some of these (jealous??) pedants! (hmmm... I hope I didn't sound too argumentative?)
Thanks for the kind comments!
Your approach re 7" & 12" was considered, but the large amount of material not connected to a particular "official release" seemed to me to make that unworkable. You're right, it is effectively like listening to the discography.
I've seen the debate on the UK/CN BLT 7", but thought I would include both to be on the safe side. Same with the (maybe we now have consensus that they are different)rerecorded/original versions of In a Lonely Place.
On quality, with the improvement in computer audio recording/mixing software, I was able to clean up the vinyl sources reasonably well (even out the levels to equal digital source material, etc.) Certainly still some pops and clicks, here and there.:)
Sad to say, I have listened to the whole thing in my car several times. The Crystal remixes get to be a little much.
On my general approach for this box set, I would direct you to the linear notes to the collection, they are set out above.
linda montanari wrote: On quality, with the improvement in computer audio recording/mixing software, I was able to clean up the vinyl sources reasonably well (even out the levels to equal digital source material, etc.) Certainly still some pops and clicks, here and there.:)
Sad to say, I have listened to the whole thing in my car several times. The Crystal remixes get to be a little much.
So is this post simply for bragging rights, or as a means to point us in the direction toward a digital source or future auction?
I still find the idea of a 60+ CD box set a bit far fetched. The entire set all the way through would take about four days of non-stop listening, not to mention like a three foot case to hold them all. A picture showing the entire set and every CD would be a bit more convincing than the close up and cut off pictures shown here.
I think the best way of thinking about/appreciating this undertaking is to think of it as sort of work of conceptual art. Inclusivity is the principle that gives it its meaning. The mania of it brings to mind Roman Opalka making his life’s work until he dies the painting of numbers in counting sequence, or Piero Manzoni producing “drawings” of single lines many metres in length, which then get rolled up and sealed into tubes, never to be unfurled again. I don’t think anyone’s seriously going to suggest this as something to sit down and listen to in the normal way. It’s an accretion; an object d’art (bit of a shame therefore about the choice of font – Bauhaus – which, despite its name and origins, has more of a Happy Mondays/Central Station Design vibe about it, in my opinion. The wooden box is a nice touch though!). A fine tribute of sorts to Rob, as well.
I still find the idea of a 60+ CD box set a bit far fetched. The entire set all the way through would take about four days of non-stop listening, not to mention like a three foot case to hold them all.
I just wouldn't have the time for all those 'Crystal' mixes, it took me about six months to get through Throbbing Gristle's "24 Hours" box set....
9 3 2 wrote: I think the best way of thinking about/appreciating this undertaking is to think of it as sort of work of conceptual art. Inclusivity is the principle that gives it its meaning. The mania of it brings to mind Roman Opalka making his life’s work until he dies the painting of numbers in counting sequence, or Piero Manzoni producing “drawings” of single lines many metres in length, which then get rolled up and sealed into tubes, never to be unfurled again. I don’t think anyone’s seriously going to suggest this as something to sit down and listen to in the normal way. It’s an accretion; an object d’art (bit of a shame therefore about the choice of font – Bauhaus – which, despite its name and origins, has more of a Happy Mondays/Central Station Design vibe about it, in my opinion. The wooden box is a nice touch though!). A fine tribute of sorts to Rob, as well.
galgo23 wrote: I just wouldn't have the time for all those 'Crystal' mixes, it took me about six months to get through Throbbing Gristle's "24 Hours" box set....
Try the 52 disc Merzbow box!
Aries wrote:
galgo23 wrote: I just wouldn't have the time for all those 'Crystal' mixes, it took me about six months to get through Throbbing Gristle's "24 Hours" box set....
Try the 52 disc Merzbow box!
Here's a Merzbow classic, only one disc, but where does it fit on the CD shelf?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noisembryo
Anyway, back to New Order....
Re-Member wrote:
linda montanari wrote: On quality, with the improvement in computer audio recording/mixing software, I was able to clean up the vinyl sources reasonably well (even out the levels to equal digital source material, etc.) Certainly still some pops and clicks, here and there.:)
Sad to say, I have listened to the whole thing in my car several times. The Crystal remixes get to be a little much.
So is this post simply for bragging rights, or as a means to point us in the direction toward a digital source or future auction?
I still find the idea of a 60+ CD box set a bit far fetched. The entire set all the way through would take about four days of non-stop listening, not to mention like a three foot case to hold them all. A picture showing the entire set and every CD would be a bit more convincing than the close up and cut off pictures shown here.
Honestly, I saw the debate about doing a Recycle collection in protest of the poor quality of the new "remastered" albums and thought people would be interested in the Recycle collection I had put together (still bragging, I guess). :\ohwell:
Anyway, it is sitting on my shelf right now. I took a look and the five boxes with the 64 CDs takes up about 3 1/2 feet (good estimate!)Do I really have to take pictures of the whole thing? With photoshop (assuming someone wanted to work that hard), you could fake the additional pics anyway. Does the existence of this collection really seem that unlikely? It just took time and perseverance.
9 3 2 wrote: I think the best way of thinking about/appreciating this undertaking is to think of it as sort of work of conceptual art. Inclusivity is the principle that gives it its meaning. The mania of it brings to mind Roman Opalka making his life’s work until he dies the painting of numbers in counting sequence, or Piero Manzoni producing “drawings” of single lines many metres in length, which then get rolled up and sealed into tubes, never to be unfurled again. I don’t think anyone’s seriously going to suggest this as something to sit down and listen to in the normal way. It’s an accretion; an object d’art (bit of a shame therefore about the choice of font – Bauhaus – which, despite its name and origins, has more of a Happy Mondays/Central Station Design vibe about it, in my opinion. The wooden box is a nice touch though!). A fine tribute of sorts to Rob, as well.
Now seeing this as performance art. That's a view I can get behind.
Have to disagree on one point, though - no font say New Order like Bauhaus(even has that wiff of the early JD germanic obsession).
Thanks for the nice thoughts regarding Rob and the box.
Nick King wrote:
Tony Wilson wouldn't have minded me babbling pretentiously on! Oh Tony, Tony, please come back to us!
linda montanari wrote: Honestly, I saw the debate about doing a Recycle collection in protest of the poor quality of the new "remastered" albums and thought people would be interested in the Recycle collection I had put together (still bragging, I guess). :\ohwell:
Anyway, it is sitting on my shelf right now. I took a look and the five boxes with the 64 CDs takes up about 3 1/2 feet (good estimate!)Do I really have to take pictures of the whole thing? With photoshop (assuming someone wanted to work that hard), you could fake the additional pics anyway. Does the existence of this collection really seem that unlikely? It just took time and perseverance.
Not saying that it's fake, just that the pictures don't show the set in it's entirety. The few pictures that are posted only show half a wooden case, the same inner sleeve of one disc twice, then close ups of a few discs. Nothing looks Photoshopped, just seeing the whole set would be more convincing/jaw dropping. I just find it a bit unrealistic to even have the source for every single one of these songs unless one is truly OCD stricken, which if that was the case, I would think we'd be looking at more elaborate pictures here.
Disc 61, track 1 - is MY DUBstream mix of Jetstream - done for the UMyx competition (whatever happened to that comp - did anyone win?)
A) it feels GREAT to be included on anyone's RECYCLE
B) where did you get a copy of my track/mix?
where is the :shocked&amazed: smilie?
:D
Re-Member wrote:
linda montanari wrote: Honestly, I saw the debate about doing a Recycle collection in protest of the poor quality of the new "remastered" albums and thought people would be interested in the Recycle collection I had put together (still bragging, I guess). :\ohwell:
Anyway, it is sitting on my shelf right now. I took a look and the five boxes with the 64 CDs takes up about 3 1/2 feet (good estimate!)Do I really have to take pictures of the whole thing? With photoshop (assuming someone wanted to work that hard), you could fake the additional pics anyway. Does the existence of this collection really seem that unlikely? It just took time and perseverance.
Not saying that it's fake, just that the pictures don't show the set in it's entirety. The few pictures that are posted only show half a wooden case, the same inner sleeve of one disc twice, then close ups of a few discs. Nothing looks Photoshopped, just seeing the whole set would be more convincing/jaw dropping. I just find it a bit unrealistic to even have the source for every single one of these songs unless one is truly OCD stricken, which if that was the case, I would think we'd be looking at more elaborate pictures here.
I don't doubt that its real, and as I said, I think the packaging looks nicely done (a shame warners don't take such pains, the poster's liner notes seem better proof-read than theirs).
What I want to hear though is that the, er, artist, _suffered_ for their art! i.e. that it involved the expense and effort of hunting down legitimate sources for as much as possible of it. Getting most via mp3 just isn't nearly as impressive (or as mad) a feat - you could just log onto one of those many dodgy Russian sites and buy most of it for 5c a track at one go (they have a lot of vinyl rips, I've noticed, though I've never gone that route, a bit nervous as to where the money would end up)
PS you haven't got TBTHoG stannard and rowe mix! Admittedly I'd never heard of it myself till I saw it in the discography just now.
9 3 2 wrote:
Nick King wrote:
Tony Wilson wouldn't have minded me babbling pretentiously on! Oh Tony, Tony, please come back to us!
No, do carry on - it's far more entertaining that a lot of posts here (including mine, I might add)! :)
Please can i have ALL 64 Discs if DUST free sent to Faultless Towers.I am bust running my new pub but have TIME to listen to them all.I could send you an autographed DUSTER in return.PRICELESS :p 
Ps i do mean BUST not BUSY.........
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Re-Member wrote:
linda montanari wrote: Honestly, I saw the debate about doing a Recycle collection in protest of the poor quality of the new "remastered" albums and thought people would be interested in the Recycle collection I had put together (still bragging, I guess). :\ohwell:
Anyway, it is sitting on my shelf right now. I took a look and the five boxes with the 64 CDs takes up about 3 1/2 feet (good estimate!)Do I really have to take pictures of the whole thing? With photoshop (assuming someone wanted to work that hard), you could fake the additional pics anyway. Does the existence of this collection really seem that unlikely? It just took time and perseverance.
Not saying that it's fake, just that the pictures don't show the set in it's entirety. The few pictures that are posted only show half a wooden case, the same inner sleeve of one disc twice, then close ups of a few discs. Nothing looks Photoshopped, just seeing the whole set would be more convincing/jaw dropping. I just find it a bit unrealistic to even have the source for every single one of these songs unless one is truly OCD stricken, which if that was the case, I would think we'd be looking at more elaborate pictures here.
I don't doubt that its real, and as I said, I think the packaging looks nicely done (a shame warners don't take such pains, the poster's liner notes seem better proof-read than theirs).
What I want to hear though is that the, er, artist, _suffered_ for their art! i.e. that it involved the expense and effort of hunting down legitimate sources for as much as possible of it. Getting most via mp3 just isn't nearly as impressive (or as mad) a feat - you could just log onto one of those many dodgy Russian sites and buy most of it for 5c a track at one go (they have a lot of vinyl rips, I've noticed, though I've never gone that route, a bit nervous as to where the money would end up)
PS you haven't got TBTHoG stannard and rowe mix! Admittedly I'd never heard of it myself till I saw it in the discography just now.
Well. Let’s try to respond to the latest queries.
You want pics of all 64 CDs? That seems like a lot of work. Anyway the pics don’t prove the existence of all the tracks – if one wants to be skeptical. Incidentally, you can see the other half of the pics by moving the slider at the bottom of the page.
Too bad there aren’t any NO conventions, I could stand at a table and everyone could touch the boxes for themselves. Someone might get healed.
Now, on the issue of artists and suffering.
The source material for all of the official material would be official vinyl or official CD. ( I have all of this – in both formats for reissues.) I produced MP3s from these sources and burned the MP3s.
On the remixes, 70% are from original vinyl or original CD. These would be the usual suspects - Razormaid, Hot Tracks, Art of Mix, Dance Traxx, Promix, etc. Or White label dance stuff. Again, I produced MP3s from these sources and burned the MP3s.
The rest are MP3s sent to me by remixers, friends or found on Napster (back in the day). The quality of the latter varies.
Note – no Russian mobsters was involved in any of this.
Lastly, I kinda think the TBTHoG stannard and rowe mix is a myth.
michael preda wrote: MP3's? Oh lordy, im a picky cunt.
Micheal,
If your in Winter Haven, shouldn't you be a Gram Parsons guy?
linda montanari wrote:
michael preda wrote: MP3's? Oh lordy, im a picky cunt.
Micheal,
If your in Winter Haven, shouldn't you be a Gram Parsons guy?
Not in this lifetime, perhaps another?
W
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i really appreciate your effort linda. But in my opinion, i rather have all of it on mp3 rather than in 63 CDs. if my calculations are correct, compressing the 63 CDs at 128 kbps would be more or less 4.7GB. Or to be safe, it would fit in a DVD-9 at 192 or 224 kbps.
that's why i'm putting my version of the tracks on DVD-9..
that way i can include them in WAV format..
later -1
linda montanari wrote: Incidentally, you can see the other half of the pics by moving the slider at the bottom of the page.
Didn't see the scroll bar down there, haha. With my PC resolution, I was only seeing a little less than half of the left side of each picture.
The spirit of Recycle has moved me, and now I am a BELIEVER! Deliver these Warner remasters from evil! Hallelujah!
Lastly, I kinda think the TBTHoG stannard and rowe mix is a myth.
Not really, it was retitled on release. It's better known as the Biff & Memphis Remix (Stannard/Rowe being their real names).
