New Old Songs for North America

Great interview here from Bestival backstage:

Crossing my fingers for new old songs to be played soon.

More Joy Div songs for North America? Nooooooooooo!

very cosy indeed [:eek]

great interview - surprise in store for number 6? I won't hold my breath ...

M1 wrote: More Joy Div songs for North America? Nooooooooooo!

must have missed that bit, I didn't hear anyone say that 😕

Geri wrote:

M1 wrote: More Joy Div songs for North America? Nooooooooooo!

must have missed that bit, I didn't hear anyone say that 😕

It's towards the end of the interview somewhere.

What I like is how quickly Bernard slurps down his wine (I'm guessing it's wine) throughout the interview. Quite a drinker and getting more and more chummier.

ersatz01 wrote:

Geri wrote:

M1 wrote: More Joy Div songs for North America? Nooooooooooo!

must have missed that bit, I didn't hear anyone say that 😕

It's towards the end of the interview somewhere.

What I like is how quickly Bernard slurps down his wine (I'm guessing it's wine) throughout the interview. Quite a drinker and getting more and more chummier.

Probably it's been done before in a poll but I really want to hear more New Order...there's so much that hasn't been played in a looong time(Jetstream, Working Overtime, Hellbent....the list of untapped classics just goes on).

And dare I say it, somehow playing JD tracks without Hooky feels more weird than an NO set without him. Regardless of the deceased horse he continues to flog himself.

Most JD tunes are easier to relearn and learn than NO songs. Why not something from Movement instead, part of yer past, right Barney?? ICB, Denial. For that matter, any guitar heavy NO song with easy lyrics. Broken Promise, Sunrise. Love to see Primitive Notion live. Imagine what the 5 piece band could do with STYT or Hurt? Phil is pretty good at adding guitar where there was none.

Pyrtwist wrote: Most JD tunes are easier to relearn and learn than NO songs. Why not something from Movement instead, part of yer past, right Barney?? ICB, Denial. For that matter, any guitar heavy NO song with easy lyrics. Broken Promise, Sunrise. Love to see Primitive Notion live. Imagine what the 5 piece band could do with STYT or Hurt? Phil is pretty good at adding guitar where there was none.

I get the impression Bernard isn't so fond of Movement. And as for additional songs, maybe some don't work well live. Or maybe they don't have time to drastically change the set in this late stage of their tour. Even if the fans want certain songs, if the band thinks they won't work well, or if they've tried it whilst rehearsing and it didn't work well, they won't play them. They might add or subtract some songs within what they're playing in this tour, but drastically changing the setlist at this stage in the tour is unrealistic. It's not the 80s any more; they're not going to play a totally different setlist every night. Let's be more realistic.

leather-girl wrote:

Pyrtwist wrote: Most JD tunes are easier to relearn and learn than NO songs. Why not something from Movement instead, part of yer past, right Barney?? ICB, Denial. For that matter, any guitar heavy NO song with easy lyrics. Broken Promise, Sunrise. Love to see Primitive Notion live. Imagine what the 5 piece band could do with STYT or Hurt? Phil is pretty good at adding guitar where there was none.

I get the impression Bernard isn't so fond of Movement. And as for additional songs, maybe some don't work well live. Or maybe they don't have time to drastically change the set in this late stage of their tour.

The obvious track (and enduring live favourite) from Movement was Dreams Never End. I don't foresee them revisiting it in their current incarnation.

As did others, I also looked forward to more Technique tracks appearing in honor of the recent duo of Balearic gigs. Apart from Round & Round this year, that album has been ignored live since 1998. Fine Time and Dream Attack were usually excellent live, but my choices would be Vanishing Point and Mr. Disco, which sounded monumental on the 2 occasions I experienced them performed.

M1 wrote: More Joy Div songs for North America? Nooooooooooo!

I don't think the majority of concert goers anywhere in the world need the lesson that New Order were Joy Division [sic]. US fans like Joy Division, but that's not why they like New Order. A couple of JD tracks per show is more that enough.

did I just read the words Jetstream and classic in the same sentence ?!? [eek2]

Geri wrote: did I just read the words Jetstream and classic in the same sentence ?!? [eek2]

You're not mistaken. I read that too. And I don't think it's a classic.

leather-girl wrote:

Geri wrote: did I just read the words Jetstream and classic in the same sentence ?!? [eek2]

You're not mistaken. I read that too. And I don't think it's a classic.

I read that as sarcasm..

Cranelane wrote:

leather-girl wrote:

Geri wrote: did I just read the words Jetstream and classic in the same sentence ?!? [eek2]

You're not mistaken. I read that too. And I don't think it's a classic.

I read that as sarcasm..

I thought he sounded quite serious. Maybe that's just me.

Sorry, how about if I add a ;)

M1 wrote: Sorry, how about if I add a ;)

It's not your fault I sometimes have trouble understanding the tone of people talking online.

I predict She's lost Control and Atmosphere. Why Atmosphere? Because every time I go see them They play the song. Not only that, they start the stinking concert with it as well. I hope HTS stays in the line up as that's the main song I want here.

Cranelane wrote:

leather-girl wrote:

Geri wrote: did I just read the words Jetstream and classic in the same sentence ?!? [eek2]

You're not mistaken. I read that too. And I don't think it's a classic.

I read that as sarcasm..

so did I , couldn't help commenting

leather-girl wrote:

M1 wrote: Sorry, how about if I add a ;)

It's not your fault I sometimes have trouble understanding the tone of people talking online.

No no, my fault, I was being a smart arse.

Actually if they did play Jizzstream (I can't think of a more wretched track in the catalogue, side projects and all) I'd like to think I'd walk out, but in truth I'd probably just shed a quiet tear.

In the words of a track I would MUCH rather hear, don't do it!

In A Lonely Place to start out the encore set. Phil can do the extra precussion bit. Chapman's a smart lad, he can pick up that bass line in about a quarter hour. Bernard has the autocue. Gillian's keys are that difficult to relearn.

Pyrtwist wrote: Gillian's keys are that difficult to relearn.

Do you mean: they aren't that difficult to relearn?

Is this a bit like when Americans say "I could care less"? If you think about it, it means that they do care. When what they really mean is: "I couldn't care less".

Odds these songs get played at some point in the US (feel free to comment)

Atmosphere 2:1 (they all know it, enough said) Thieves Like Us 20:1 (even though I tweet @Newordernow every other day pleading for it to be played in Oakland, I doubt it) Round and Round 1:2 (will get played in NY or Toronto on 2nd night) Confusion 12:1 (would not be shocked to see this drop as a surprise in NYC with some witty remark by Bernard about Arthur Baker) Love Vigilantes 5:1 (appears to have been dropped for Isolation) Any othe Technique track 50:1 (if it happens, I'll eat my favorite hat) She's Lost Control 10:1 (most likely Joy Division song to be added after Atmosphere) Everything Gone Green 25:1 (something tells me this may be re-worked and would sound great as a 5 piece)

Give me your odds......

Debaser wrote:

Pyrtwist wrote: Gillian's keys are that difficult to relearn.

Do you mean: they aren't that difficult to relearn?

Is this a bit like when Americans say "I could care less"? If you think about it, it means that they do care. When what they really mean is: "I couldn't care less".

Yeah "are not."

I do care. Wish I had the foresight to travel to Europe back in 1984 to witness that mini-tour. I cannot wait to see them in a month but It would be a pleassant surprise if they dug from the vault some of their older stuff, darker songs. IALP is a JD song that they made their own and has not been done for quite a long time.

Who's Joe? wrote: Odds these songs get played at some point in the US (feel free to comment)

Atmosphere 2:1 (they all know it, enough said) Thieves Like Us 20:1 (even though I tweet @Newordernow every other day pleading for it to be played in Oakland, I doubt it) Round and Round 1:2 (will get played in NY or Toronto on 2nd night) Confusion 12:1 (would not be shocked to see this drop as a surprise in NYC with some witty remark by Bernard about Arthur Baker) Love Vigilantes 5:1 (appears to have been dropped for Isolation) Any othe Technique track 50:1 (if it happens, I'll eat my favorite hat) She's Lost Control 10:1 (most likely Joy Division song to be added after Atmosphere) Everything Gone Green 25:1 (something tells me this may be re-worked and would sound great as a 5 piece)

Give me your odds......

I think the biggest stumbling block for getting anything other than the current crop of tracks is the videos.

Looks like more and more work is going into the videos for the current tracks than attempting to do anything different 'musically' with new/old tracks. The videos/lights for the likes of Isolation and Here to Stay have come on leaps and bounds in the past couple of months. Even Ceremony has its own backing video now too ... and of course we've all see the 'Joy Division Forever' video for the encore, which has morphed subtly over the past few gigs (but still looks like it needs a helluva lot more work).

Given that, if anything new/old gets added it'll be 1963, seeing as it already comes with its own backdrop - you left that one off your list!

El Jarvo wrote:

Who's Joe? wrote: Odds these songs get played at some point in the US (feel free to comment)

Atmosphere 2:1 (they all know it, enough said) Thieves Like Us 20:1 (even though I tweet @Newordernow every other day pleading for it to be played in Oakland, I doubt it) Round and Round 1:2 (will get played in NY or Toronto on 2nd night) Confusion 12:1 (would not be shocked to see this drop as a surprise in NYC with some witty remark by Bernard about Arthur Baker) Love Vigilantes 5:1 (appears to have been dropped for Isolation) Any othe Technique track 50:1 (if it happens, I'll eat my favorite hat) She's Lost Control 10:1 (most likely Joy Division song to be added after Atmosphere) Everything Gone Green 25:1 (something tells me this may be re-worked and would sound great as a 5 piece)

Give me your odds......

I think the biggest stumbling block for getting anything other than the current crop of tracks is the videos.

Looks like more and more work is going into the videos for the current tracks than attempting to do anything different 'musically' with new/old tracks. The videos/lights for the likes of Isolation and Here to Stay have come on leaps and bounds in the past couple of months. Even Ceremony has its own backing video now too ... and of course we've all see the 'Joy Division Forever' video for the encore, which has morphed subtly over the past few gigs (but still looks like it needs a helluva lot more work).

Given that, if anything new/old gets added it'll be 1963, seeing as it already comes with its own backdrop - you left that one off your list!

Another point to think about...do any of you seriously think they have enough time to figure out what song would work well live, then rehearse it enough so they can play it, plus figure out the video/visual effects? What you want them to play might be different from what is realistic (whether it works well live and time issues).

leather-girl wrote: Another point to think about...do any of you seriously think they have enough time to figure out what song would work well live, then rehearse it enough so they can play it, plus figure out the video/visual effects? What you want them to play might be different from what is realistic (whether it works well live and time issues).

I'd be intrigued to know why they obviously don't think songs work well live? When I say 'they' I'm guessing it's just Barney's decision anyway.

What prompted him to decide 'Thieves Like Us' wasn't worth pursuing? And why did Here To Stay disappear then return with such force? And what's the issue with Round & Round - gets aired for Ibiza (they had to play it there really), but why does it play second fiddle to the likes of Krafty and 1963?

El Jarvo wrote:

leather-girl wrote: Another point to think about...do any of you seriously think they have enough time to figure out what song would work well live, then rehearse it enough so they can play it, plus figure out the video/visual effects? What you want them to play might be different from what is realistic (whether it works well live and time issues).

I'd be intrigued to know why they obviously don't think songs work well live? When I say 'they' I'm guessing it's just Barney's decision anyway.

What prompted him to decide 'Thieves Like Us' wasn't worth pursuing? And why did Here To Stay disappear then return with such force? And what's the issue with Round & Round - gets aired for Ibiza (they had to play it there really), but why does it play second fiddle to the likes of Krafty and 1963?

Well, I don't know. But I still think there's a difference between a fan's 'ideal' setlist vs what they can or will play, whether people like that or not.

El Jarvo wrote:

Who's Joe? wrote: Odds these songs get played at some point in the US (feel free to comment)

Atmosphere 2:1 (they all know it, enough said) Thieves Like Us 20:1 (even though I tweet @Newordernow every other day pleading for it to be played in Oakland, I doubt it) Round and Round 1:2 (will get played in NY or Toronto on 2nd night) Confusion 12:1 (would not be shocked to see this drop as a surprise in NYC with some witty remark by Bernard about Arthur Baker) Love Vigilantes 5:1 (appears to have been dropped for Isolation) Any othe Technique track 50:1 (if it happens, I'll eat my favorite hat) She's Lost Control 10:1 (most likely Joy Division song to be added after Atmosphere) Everything Gone Green 25:1 (something tells me this may be re-worked and would sound great as a 5 piece)

Give me your odds......

I think the biggest stumbling block for getting anything other than the current crop of tracks is the videos.

Looks like more and more work is going into the videos for the current tracks than attempting to do anything different 'musically' with new/old tracks. The videos/lights for the likes of Isolation and Here to Stay have come on leaps and bounds in the past couple of months. Even Ceremony has its own backing video now too ... and of course we've all see the 'Joy Division Forever' video for the encore, which has morphed subtly over the past few gigs (but still looks like it needs a helluva lot more work).

Given that, if anything new/old gets added it'll be 1963, seeing as it already comes with its own backdrop - you left that one off your list!

You are too right I did forget to include 1963 on my odds list. Odds for 1963 is as follows:

1963 2:1 (stong feeling it will get aired at some point)

As for Atmosphere, they have a video they can mine for a backdrop. Works great.

I did not take into account the video aspect of things, and for that I would be remiss from pointing out the videos for the following songs could all be translated quite nicely to back drops (a la True Faith).

Touched by the Hand of God (cut the band performance use the Bill Paxton scenes) 35:1 Fine Time (would be insane) 500:1 Spooky (never gonna happen) 500:1 Waiting for the Sirens Call (the kid running on loop) 30:1

At the end of the day, its all fun and games really, isn't? I can probably guess 14 of the 16 songs they will play every night and I don't care. I saw them in the US last time around in 2005 and they weren't playing 586, 1963, Ceremony, Age of Consent, The Perfect Kiss, Isolation, 1963, Here to Stay, Round & Round, or Thieves Like Us. I can only go once this time around, unlike the 4 times in 2005. You get married and have kids, things change, etc. I'm pumped at least 1/3 of the set will be different. I'll enjoy dreaming they will play Thieves Like Us in Oakland, until they don't and I'll be happy with Here to Stay (which has really improved since its first airing in Australia oh so many months ago) and the 5 piece Blue Monday which as somone else pointed out is brilliant since Phil is playing the digi-pads and Tom is jamming.

Would be very happy to hear TLU

No I'd prefer not to hear it -- in 05 at the US Dates I attended - I heard LWTUA, Atmosphere, She's Lost Control and Transmission. I'm good. I'd actually echo sentiments I've read that they play an all NO set with no JD tracks. I guess you won't escape LWTUA but I would gladly have them put the likes of Love Vigilantes, Round & Round, etc. in for the JD tracks.

As for Atmosphere, I was referring to the clip with the druids carrying Ian's big picture.

NotAMod wrote: Sorry let me rephrase, does anyone really want to them to make a video for Atmosphere?

They could have a '+' and a '-' and use marquee in Word to have a huge scrolling 'A T M O S P H E R E'.

It would look WICKED!

Oh, and as Who's Joe says, throw in a couple of tiny Jawas from Star Wars, playing at being monks. Or something.

NotAMod wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Oh, and as Who's Joe says, throw in a couple of tiny Jawas from Star Wars, playing at being monks. Or something.

LOL. [:eek]

NotAMod wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Oh, and as Who's Joe says, throw in a couple of tiny Jawas from Star Wars, playing at being monks. Or something.

😄

Hey, by the way... the songs they did play in Europe, were they more like Substance versions or the original singles?

68Pontiac wrote: Hey, by the way... the songs they did play in Europe, were they more like Substance versions or the original singles?

Ceremony is always pretty straightforward. Temptation now has an intro that reveals its' musical inspiration but otherwise is an excellent hybrid of the muscular substance version and the beautiful arpeggios of the original 12". Blue Monday gets a few more bass riffs. Thieves Like Us was edited down. The Perfect Kiss is a bit shorter but sounds similar. Bizarre Love Triangle is the same hybrid of the 12" and 7" versions that they've played on the last few tours. True Faith incorporates elements of the Perfecto Mix.

Isn't there a guitar solo of sorts instead of the last verse of TPK?

68Pontiac wrote: Hey, by the way... the songs they did play in Europe, were they more like Substance versions or the original singles?

A couple of more Substance tracks I forgot:

Transmission is also pretty similar but a different guy now sings lead. Love Will Tear Us Apart is similar to recent tours with the occasional Tourette's-like "come on" added randomly.

Jul wrote: Isn't there a guitar solo of sorts instead of the last verse of TPK?

True. The "kiss of death" verse is missing.

Andy wrote: Temptation now has an intro that reveals its' musical inspiration but otherwise is an excellent hybrid of the muscular substance version and the beautiful arpeggios of the original 12".

You forgot the clapping section.

It has a clapping section now.

(Damn, didn't we used to have a clapping smiley on the old forums?)

El Jarvo wrote:

Andy wrote: Temptation now has an intro that reveals its' musical inspiration but otherwise is an excellent hybrid of the muscular substance version and the beautiful arpeggios of the original 12".

You forgot the clapping section.

It has a clapping section now.

(Damn, didn't we used to have a clapping smiley on the old forums?)

And the thumbs up smiley and the shrugging smiley. And a tank one. Dissapointed with the selection of smilies on the new forum.

Jul wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Andy wrote: Temptation now has an intro that reveals its' musical inspiration but otherwise is an excellent hybrid of the muscular substance version and the beautiful arpeggios of the original 12".

You forgot the clapping section.

It has a clapping section now.

(Damn, didn't we used to have a clapping smiley on the old forums?)

And the thumbs up smiley and the shrugging smiley. And a tank one. Dissapointed with the selection of smilies on the new forum.

(sad smiley)

I´d wish this

1.Crystal 2.Regret 3.All The Way 4.Age Of Consent 5.Turn 6.Everyone Everywhere 7.Atmosphere 8.24 Hours 9.The Village 10.Mr. Disco 11.Here To Stay 12.True Faith 13.BLT 14.Perfect Kiss 15.Blue Monday 16.Temptation

Encore

17.Ceremony 18.LWTUA

Do i ask for too much??

Andrés Londoño wrote: I´d wish this

1.Crystal 2.Regret 3.All The Way 4.Age Of Consent 5.Turn 6.Everyone Everywhere 7.Atmosphere 8.24 Hours 9.The Village 10.Mr. Disco 11.Here To Stay 12.True Faith 13.BLT 14.Perfect Kiss 15.Blue Monday 16.Temptation

Encore

17.Ceremony 18.LWTUA

Do i ask for too much??

You're not coming the LA concert are you Andres?

A little birdie told me Sunrise may be added for the US dates.

68Pontiac wrote:

Andrés Londoño wrote: I´d wish this

1.Crystal 2.Regret 3.All The Way 4.Age Of Consent 5.Turn 6.Everyone Everywhere 7.Atmosphere 8.24 Hours 9.The Village 10.Mr. Disco 11.Here To Stay 12.True Faith 13.BLT 14.Perfect Kiss 15.Blue Monday 16.Temptation

Encore

17.Ceremony 18.LWTUA

Do i ask for too much??

You're not coming the LA concert are you Andres?

i'm not mate New York & Chicago

50 Pound Note wrote: A little birdie told me Sunrise may be added for the US dates.

Age of Consent was a surprise, but Sunrise would be Chappy's true test.

50 Pound Note wrote: A little birdie told me Sunrise may be added for the US dates.

Please --- don't play Sunrise. Without Hooky on the basslines, Sunrise won't be the same.

50 Pound Note wrote: A little birdie told me Sunrise may be added for the US dates.

It's on twitter so it must be true!

LETS_PLAY_HOOKY wrote:

Please --- don't play Sunrise. Without Hooky on the basslines, Sunrise won't be the same.

Maybe not the same, but Tom will nail it.

I can't wait to hear his take on it.

LETS_PLAY_HOOKY wrote:

50 Pound Note wrote: A little birdie told me Sunrise may be added for the US dates.

Please --- don't play Sunrise. Without Hooky on the basslines, Sunrise won't be the same.

It wouldn't be the same anyway, mate. Hooky is gone - let it go.

Sunrise would be quite the surprise and very welcome, but what spot would it take -- the 1963, Round & Round, mystery spot? It had better not be at the cost of AOC for us Americans....I'd still like Thieves Like Us.

Also, listening to the brilliant remastered live shows from TPIT, I'd love to hear Let's Go as a five piece with the 1994 vocals.

It might not be Sunrise, wait and see.

Loved AOC at #6.

News in from Oakland. kW1 and Close Range.

Close Range - what a bag of shite that is [:eek]

Piss break, Mike.

Atmosphere now.

Biginoil wrote: Piss break, Mike.

Atmosphere now.

COME ON ! handclapping

Everythings Gone Green / 586 / Temptation medley

or.. The Happy One with just Tom and a bunch of sequenced kit. Open with that. Really rub it in.

Biginoil wrote: News in from Oakland. kW1 and Close Range.

Oh, dear God, NO!