Control

Watched this again earlier for first time in a few years.

There's something about i don't like that i still can't quite explain. I dunno, i like it but but don't like it at the same time, if that's possible!

Barney's character - i can see some of Bernard in him but he's just.. i dunno he just doesn't have.. a menace maybe that Barney seem to exude (from the photos) in that JD era.Similar with Hooky's character. Steve Morris' character is possibly the least accurate out of all of them.Sam Riley is too conventionally cool and good looking to really capture Curtis. Rob Gretton should have been played by Paddy Considine and as for Tony Wilson's character, awful.For all the 1980 period sets it just seems too sterile somehow. I dunno , i guess it must be really fucking hard to get actors anywhere near close to the real people they are portraying in any music biopic to be fair.

But on a positive i was much more impressed this time around watching the gig scenes where the actors actually perform the JD songs, Leaders Of Men and Candidate in particular. Some scenes i can forget about my problem with the film and just go with it like when Ian is alone with Annik and she says "Ian, you're so depressing" lol that did raise a smile.

Atmosphere playing at the end seems just too obvious somehow but i guess it was the only song the film was ever gonna end on

Towards the end i was struck how effective New Order's "Get Out" composition for the film was in that scene where Curtis goes into a fit.

I guess my impression of Joy Division, views, image and feelings about them go back such a long way and are so set in stone that i was always going to struggle with the accuracy of a film portrayal of them.

Grant Gee's JD documentary is way better than Control, really compulsive viewing, that film.

Anyway, rant over. As you were.

I wasnt there and I dont personally know the people portrayed so I cant really comment on accuracy but I really like it. It was pretty much what I expected from Anton Corbajingle-bells - has the guy ever shot anything in colour? It was cool and respectful whilst not flinching from making me feel uncomfortable watching Ians fits. To me, that made me feel like I was intruding in someone elses misery. Powerful stuff.

And Rob Gretton was funny as fuck.

Yeah maybe i was harsh in my demand for the four band members to be closer to the real life people they are portraying. Take the film for what it is. Samantha Morton does very well playing Debbie. You can't help but feel for her, left at home looking after the baby while Ian gets closer and closer to the exotic, beautiful and interesting Annik. Morton doesn't have to say much in many scenes, you just get what she's going through without her having to say anything. You do get enveloped with the downward spiral Riley as Curtis is heading down. Really stuck with me for a good while did the film after the first few times i watched it in 2007.

Also think all of New Order's new compositions for the film are actually really good, as said before Get Out especially, the piano, synths and Steve's drumming really bring that scene to a climax

here's a snippet of trivia for those who don't know: paddy considine played RG in 24HPP, toby kebbell played RG in control, and the pair of them played brothers in shane meadows' dead man's shoes. this symmetry pleases me.

Never seen Dead Man's Shoes. Watched a film a while back with Paddy Considine in called Cry Of The Owl , it was fucking awful!

oh you should watch it. it's very very good and i think you'd like it a lot.

hmmm...ok, maybe i'll have a look if it's available on Virgin Movies On Demand one night then. Thanks

bloodynora wrote: here's a snippet of trivia for those who don't know: paddy considine played RG in 24HPP, toby kebbell played RG in control, and the pair of them played brothers in shane meadows' dead man's shoes. this symmetry pleases me.

Its not really trivia but has anyone seen Sean Haris actually make it to the end of anything hes been in?

Coops wrote:

bloodynora wrote: here's a snippet of trivia for those who don't know: paddy considine played RG in 24HPP, toby kebbell played RG in control, and the pair of them played brothers in shane meadows' dead man's shoes. this symmetry pleases me.

Its not really trivia but has anyone seen Sean Haris actually make it to the end of anything hes been in?

Ha, he was a drug dealer in that Harry Brown film starring Michael Caine. Think Harris' character died in that one if i remember right

Coops wrote:

bloodynora wrote: here's a snippet of trivia for those who don't know: paddy considine played RG in 24HPP, toby kebbell played RG in control, and the pair of them played brothers in shane meadows' dead man's shoes. this symmetry pleases me.

Its not really trivia but has anyone seen Sean Haris actually make it to the end of anything hes been in?

hahaha! he is rather a doomed fellow. he makes it to the end of this though:

(keep the sound turned down, mind. i HATE this butchery.)

bloodynora wrote: oh you should watch it. it's very very good and i think you'd like it a lot.

It's briliant!

But absolutely horrible in places.

Not a film I'd want to revisit in a hurry, it's a bit dark. A lot dark, in fact.

Apparently Harris is a proper old-skool 'method' actor, so when he played a racist in Outlaw he refused to socialise or even sit with any black crew members off camera!

El Jarvo wrote:

bloodynora wrote: oh you should watch it. it's very very good and i think you'd like it a lot.

It's briliant!

But absolutely horrible in places.

Not a film I'd want to revisit in a hurry, it's a bit dark. A lot dark, in fact.

Apparently Harris is a proper old-skool 'method' actor, so when he played a racist in Outlaw he refused to socialise or even sit with any black crew members off camera!

i'm desperately excited about this - dead man's shoes live rescored screening. it is horrible in places, but also hilarious in places. by the time i first saw it so many people had said EXACTLY that ("brilliant...a lot dark") that it wasn't actually as disturbing as i was expecting. and if memory serves, it has a sort of fairytaley/fabley quality that kind of distances the viewer. by the end, there was so much cliched religious imagery going on it felt really unreal.

or maybe the idea of vicious, bloody revenge just really appeals to me.

Coops wrote:

bloodynora wrote: here's a snippet of trivia for those who don't know: paddy considine played RG in 24HPP, toby kebbell played RG in control, and the pair of them played brothers in shane meadows' dead man's shoes. this symmetry pleases me.

Its not really trivia but has anyone seen Sean Haris actually make it to the end of anything hes been in?

Ha , just watched Prometheus again, he dies in that one too.

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Never seen Dead Man's Shoes. Watched a film a while back with Paddy Considine in called Cry Of The Owl , it was fucking awful!

Get.It.Watched 👍

Becky i knew that factoid there

El Jarvo wrote:

bloodynora wrote: oh you should watch it. it's very very good and i think you'd like it a lot.

It's briliant!

But absolutely horrible in places.

Not a film I'd want to revisit in a hurry, it's a bit dark. A lot dark, in fact.

Apparently Harris is a proper old-skool 'method' actor, so when he played a racist in Outlaw he refused to socialise or even sit with any black crew members off camera!

'Outlaw' is that the one with Danny fackin Dyer in it?

Doesnt make it to the end of that either does he??

Gazman wrote:

Becky i knew that factoid there

you may join my pub quiz team, gazzle.

bloodynora wrote:

Gazman wrote:

Becky i knew that factoid there

you may join my pub quiz team, gazzle.

Im honoured

faunt of useless knowledge me

😎

Gazman wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Never seen Dead Man's Shoes. Watched a film a while back with Paddy Considine in called Cry Of The Owl , it was fucking awful!

Get.It.Watched 👍

Becky i knew that factoid there

Well well well! Dead Man's Shoes is on tonight, Film 4 10.55pm. I'll tune in

Thanks But No Thanks wrote:

Gazman wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Never seen Dead Man's Shoes. Watched a film a while back with Paddy Considine in called Cry Of The Owl , it was fucking awful!

Get.It.Watched 👍

Becky i knew that factoid there

Well well well! Dead Man's Shoes is on tonight, Film 4 10.55pm. I'll tune in

it is indeed. also, attack the block at 9pm, and then they've got loads of good stuff on in the next week or so, inc tyrannosaur, weekend, kill list, don't look now, and submarine (which is BRILLIANT).

Yeah did see that Attack The Block is on. Haven't seen that one but will record it. Have seen Tyrannosaur and Submarine fairly recently. Not so Weekend ( don't know anything about that one) and Kill List ( heard it's pretty grim but good). Can't remember if i've ever seen Don't Look Now, prob not so will check it out

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Yeah did see that Attack The Block is on. Haven't seen that one but will record it.

well sick, innit. believe, fam.

bloodynora wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Yeah did see that Attack The Block is on. Haven't seen that one but will record it.

well sick, innit. believe, fam.

I'm not entirely sure but i'm sure i heard "that's well next" earlier. I'd just got familiar with "well dark" and "well sick" etc "well next" is the latest variation?

Not watching Dead Man's Shoes right now , watching Jools. Recording it to watch tomorrow.

Thanks But No Thanks wrote:

bloodynora wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Yeah did see that Attack The Block is on. Haven't seen that one but will record it.

well sick, innit. believe, fam.

I'm not entirely sure but i'm sure i heard "that's well next" earlier. I'd just got familiar with "well dark" and "well sick" etc "well next" is the latest variation?

Not watching Dead Man's Shoes right now , watching Jools. Recording it to watch tomorrow.

"well NEXT"?! god knows i'm not down with ver kids, but i don't think that can be right. are you sure they weren't talking about this place?

mind you, my boys have just taught me "well peng". apparently it means "very attractive". whatever next!

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Yeah did see that Attack The Block is on. Haven't seen that one but will record it. Have seen Tyrannosaur and Submarine fairly recently. Not so Weekend ( don't know anything about that one) and Kill List ( heard it's pretty grim but good). Can't remember if i've ever seen Don't Look Now, prob not so will check it out

"Attack the Block" was surprisingly good. The aliens were absolutely brilliant.

"Kill List" is a horrendous film. Not sure whether I liked it or not. A bit unnecessarily nasty in places, especially towards the end, but clever nevertheless. Reminded me of when I first watched "Eden Lake" - it got to the end and I just felt utterly drained by it. Very, very dark.

El Jarvo wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Yeah did see that Attack The Block is on. Haven't seen that one but will record it. Have seen Tyrannosaur and Submarine fairly recently. Not so Weekend ( don't know anything about that one) and Kill List ( heard it's pretty grim but good). Can't remember if i've ever seen Don't Look Now, prob not so will check it out

"Attack the Block" was surprisingly good. The aliens were absolutely brilliant.

"Kill List" is a horrendous film. Not sure whether I liked it or not. A bit unnecessarily nasty in places, especially towards the end, but clever nevertheless. Reminded me of when I first watched "Eden Lake" - it got to the end and I just felt utterly drained by it. Very, very dark.

Caught up on some of these at the weekend. Attack The Block was alright but didn't do an awful lot for me, a bit meh for me i'm afraid. Dead Man's Shoes was good but not as good as i'd thought it'd be somehow, not sure why. Kill List was probably the best of the lot for me. Yeah kind of agree with the Eden Lake comparison, left me feeling similar to when i watched that. Wasn't expecting the PLOT SPOILER ALERT twist into the occult/ sacrificial ritual stuff! Didn't see that one coming, thought it'd just be a straightforward hitmen killing people affair. Reminded me a bit of Eyes Wide Shut the way it suddenly went into the dark occult stuff out of the blue. Kind of guessed it was his son he was unknowingly stabbing to death before it was revealed

Thanks But No Thanks wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

"Attack the Block" was surprisingly good. The aliens were absolutely brilliant.

"Kill List" is a horrendous film. Not sure whether I liked it or not. A bit unnecessarily nasty in places, especially towards the end, but clever nevertheless. Reminded me of when I first watched "Eden Lake" - it got to the end and I just felt utterly drained by it. Very, very dark.

Caught up on some of these at the weekend. Attack The Block was alright but didn't do an awful lot for me, a bit meh for me i'm afraid. Dead Man's Shoes was good but not as good as i'd thought it'd be somehow, not sure why. Kill List was probably the best of the lot for me. Yeah kind of agree with the Eden Lake comparison, left me feeling similar to when i watched that. Wasn't expecting the PLOT SPOILER ALERT twist into the occult/ sacrificial ritual stuff! Didn't see that one coming, thought it'd just be a straightforward hitmen killing people affair. Reminded me a bit of Eyes Wide Shut the way it suddenly went into the dark occult stuff out of the blue. Kind of guessed it was his son he was unknowingly stabbing to death before it was revealed

i loved attack the block. it's a while since i saw it so couldn't tell you exactly why, but if memory serves it was a good mix of silly and jumpy and heartwarming and well-made/acted/written. it's probably not ground-breaking, but it's nice to see a relatively accurate portrayal of british teenagers.

never seen kill list (or eden lake) - not my cup of tea. my youngest brother and elder son watched it here recently and raved about it, but agreed i should probably give it a miss.

bloodynora wrote: never seen kill list (or eden lake) - not my cup of tea. my youngest brother and elder son watched it here recently and raved about it, but agreed i should probably give it a miss.

Both are fairly horrific.

More so, cos they're embedded in 'realism' and are not just your average horror movie with spooks and ghouls which you know are pure fantasy.

Both leave you very cold as well - not a glimmer of 'hope' in either movie.

Thanks But No Thanks wrote:

Dead Man's Shoes was good but not as good as i'd thought it'd be somehow, not sure why.

there's something oddly sentimental about it, a bit cliched - a modern morality tale. does it lose a slight edge because we are in no doubt that paddy is an avenging angel and will prevail?

(shane m is rather given to sentimental morality and daddy issues, beneath the scum and skinheads, i find.)

El Jarvo wrote:

bloodynora wrote: never seen kill list (or eden lake) - not my cup of tea. my youngest brother and elder son watched it here recently and raved about it, but agreed i should probably give it a miss.

Both are fairly horrific.

More so, cos they're embedded in 'realism' and are not just your average horror movie with spooks and ghouls which you know are pure fantasy.

Both leave you very cold as well - not a glimmer of 'hope' in either movie.

i don't watch horror as a rule, and when i have they've not seemed very scary - just gory or (as you say) far-fetched, and invariably with paper thin characters.

that said, there are exceptions - let the right one in is a wonderful film, and i loved 28 days later and invasion of the body snatchers. the original wicker man disturbed me for a very long time. but i have 'the shining' currently sitting waiting for me to watch, and though i've got it as far as the dvd drive a couple of times, i've still not managed to press play...

Watch The Shining IMMEDIATELY, go on. Do it now.

bloodynora wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

"Attack the Block" was surprisingly good. The aliens were absolutely brilliant.

"Kill List" is a horrendous film. Not sure whether I liked it or not. A bit unnecessarily nasty in places, especially towards the end, but clever nevertheless. Reminded me of when I first watched "Eden Lake" - it got to the end and I just felt utterly drained by it. Very, very dark.

Caught up on some of these at the weekend. Attack The Block was alright but didn't do an awful lot for me, a bit meh for me i'm afraid. Dead Man's Shoes was good but not as good as i'd thought it'd be somehow, not sure why. Kill List was probably the best of the lot for me. Yeah kind of agree with the Eden Lake comparison, left me feeling similar to when i watched that. Wasn't expecting the PLOT SPOILER ALERT twist into the occult/ sacrificial ritual stuff! Didn't see that one coming, thought it'd just be a straightforward hitmen killing people affair. Reminded me a bit of Eyes Wide Shut the way it suddenly went into the dark occult stuff out of the blue. Kind of guessed it was his son he was unknowingly stabbing to death before it was revealed

i loved attack the block. it's a while since i saw it so couldn't tell you exactly why, but if memory serves it was a good mix of silly and jumpy and heartwarming and well-made/acted/written. it's probably not ground-breaking, but it's nice to see a relatively accurate portrayal of british teenagers.

never seen kill list (or eden lake) - not my cup of tea. my youngest brother and elder son watched it here recently and raved about it, but agreed i should probably give it a miss.

Yes i agree Attack The Block was well made and yeah it is a relatively accurate portrayal of the British teenagers , i dunno, it's good fun but not a film i'd bother watching again.

Other films people have mentioned above, The Shining i was really mesmerised by when i first watched it back in the 80s, really chilling. 28 Days Later is great but i rank 28 Weeks Later as even better. Would love it if they did another one ( 28 Months Later?)

Oh and Let The Right One In was pretty good yeah (the original Scandinavian version, didn't bother with the remake)

El Jarvo wrote:

bloodynora wrote: never seen kill list (or eden lake) - not my cup of tea. my youngest brother and elder son watched it here recently and raved about it, but agreed i should probably give it a miss.

Both are fairly horrific.

More so, cos they're embedded in 'realism' and are not just your average horror movie with spooks and ghouls which you know are pure fantasy.

Both leave you very cold as well - not a glimmer of 'hope' in either movie.

Think it was the realism i found most scary in Kill List! The crushingly ordinary home life etc

El Jarvo wrote:

Both leave you very cold as well - not a glimmer of 'hope' in either movie.

That's what I didnt like about Blair Witch Project. I was prepared to accept the premise, but it was just bleak with no room for humour or fun, and no hope at the end.

Now a horror film that was (eventually) released in 2012 that had it's tongue firmly in it's cheek was The Cabin In The Woods. It starts out as a seemingly formualic film about some American 'kids' going to a remote cabin... so far so zzzz. But then it takes some unexpected turns. By the end of the film it has gone from predictable to highly original, and may even leave you with a smile on your face. Lots of fun.

edspess wrote: Watch The Shining IMMEDIATELY, go on. Do it now.

If you dont watch ths one, Johnny's gonna come and get you.

edspess wrote: Watch The Shining IMMEDIATELY, go on. Do it now.

I DAREN'T

Debaser wrote:

That's what I didnt like about Blair Witch Project. I was prepared to accept the premise, but it was just bleak with no room for humour or fun, and no hope at the end.

Now a horror film that was (eventually) released in 2012 that had it's tongue firmly in it's cheek was The Cabin In The Woods. It starts out as a seemingly formualic film about some American 'kids' going to a remote cabin... so far so zzzz. But then it takes some unexpected turns. By the end of the film it has gone from predictable to highly original, and may even leave you with a smile on your face. Lots of fun.

blair witch was RUBBISH. apart from the last minute or so (those final images are a touch haunting, granted). the best bit is when she's doing her big "i'm-sorry-everyone's-mum" speech and she has a dribble of snot on her nose. ha!

but i was not wildly impressed by the cabin in the woods, either. i did quite enjoy it, and it was probably a victim of all the "THIS IS A GAME CHANGER!!!" type reviews i'd seen/heard. but as i said elsewhere, i did think it was a bit too busy being clever-clever and fanboy geeky. and there weren't really any ideas i'd not seen already explored on buffy - and that was ten years ago.

Debaser wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Both leave you very cold as well - not a glimmer of 'hope' in either movie.

That's what I didnt like about Blair Witch Project. I was prepared to accept the premise, but it was just bleak with no room for humour or fun, and no hope at the end.

Now a horror film that was (eventually) released in 2012 that had it's tongue firmly in it's cheek was The Cabin In The Woods. It starts out as a seemingly formualic film about some American 'kids' going to a remote cabin... so far so zzzz. But then it takes some unexpected turns. By the end of the film it has gone from predictable to highly original, and may even leave you with a smile on your face. Lots of fun.

But the turns weren't unexpected though. We were introduced to the control room early on in the film weren't we? So we knew it wasn't your straightforward American kids in the woods fighting zombies and ghouls and stuff. They should have revealed the kids were all being controlled and set up at the end of the film to truly surprise us, no? Still, i did enjoy the film

bloodynora wrote:

loads of good stuff on in the next week or so, inc tyrannosaur, weekend, kill list, don't look now, and submarine (which is BRILLIANT).

Watched Don't Look Now at the weekend. Nope, had never seen it i'm sure. Yeah it was really good, it's good to watch an old film now and then. That sense of you don't know which way the film's going to go and who is going to die but you know someone will.Great acting by Sutherland and Julie Christie ( wow she was an attractive woman). The way the small evil woman is facing the corner of the room at the end reminded me a bit of The Blair Witch Project ( didn't the witch make her intended victims stand in the corner facing the wall in that? Though in this case it's the killer in the corner not the victim) A good analysis of Don't Look Now on Wiki

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