Hooky Speaks! No, seriously, he does!

Stoo wrote: How many times does he have to say stuff like this?

The bass player left the band and they suddenly become a tribute band without him? The man's arrogance know's no boundaries. They didn’t reform behind his back and they never broke up anyway. Hooky left so surely they can do what they damn well want.

Having seen them live over the past year I can safely say they manage perfectly fine without him. I'm getting increasingly bored of his gobbing off to any paper or blog that will give him the time of day. I wish he would get over it and just move on.

See the amount of things that old Hooky is doing to make money. The name New Order is very strong and easy to make money with it. Think the old bass player deserves a piece of this pie too!

Aracri wrote: Some groups change their lineups, it's simple and quite common. And that doesn't make them tribute bands. Hooky continues his bizarre comparisons...

I really think Tom Chapman's doing a good job in New Order, but it's obvious it would be much better if Hooky's still was with them. Now New Order has a new line up and that is it.

Fook off Luis!

Will not pay you a beer ever again! kkkkkkk

What about our journey to Colombia in April?!?!?!

tarbox23 wrote:

CTB wrote:

HAH! That is really all that needs to be said. PERFECT.

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote: All I was trying to say is that the current New Order are New Order, even if they have 3/4ths of the original or 'classic' lineup. I don't think they are merely a tribute band, and I'm sure I'm not the only fan in the world who thinks this.

It's quite easy to fill stadiums, festivals, whatver with the single hits. Why not also include album songs which also deserve the fans respect? Things like that makes me think are they playing just for money. Just my opinion.

Everybody in music is in it to make a living, to some degree, but I think New Order have tact. Not all songs they play are singles, either. Naturally quite a few would be singles, but claiming they don't do any album songs is just ridiculous. I know you like Hooky, but you can look at New Order's setlists for proof. To be fair, some would be singles, because people want to hear some of the famous songs. And if it only was for the money, why would they take the time to rework the songs, or create video backgrounds?

leather-girl wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote: All I was trying to say is that the current New Order are New Order, even if they have 3/4ths of the original or 'classic' lineup. I don't think they are merely a tribute band, and I'm sure I'm not the only fan in the world who thinks this.

It's quite easy to fill stadiums, festivals, whatver with the single hits. Why not also include album songs which also deserve the fans respect? Things like that makes me think are they playing just for money. Just my opinion.

Everybody in music is in it to make a living, to some degree, but I think New Order have tact. Not all songs they play are singles, either. Naturally quite a few would be singles, but claiming they don't do any album songs is just ridiculous. I know you like Hooky, but you can look at New Order's setlists for proof. To be fair, some would be singles, because people want to hear some of the famous songs. And if it only was for the money, why would they take the time to rework the songs, or create video backgrounds?

Maybe cause I am just an old bastard fan who likes the old fookin'stuff

Oh, and most bands around the world play quite a few of their singles live. It's not really common for bands to play mainly album tracks or do album tours. So, I don't understand that criticism from Hooky's fans.

I'm getting paranoid now! my posts are vaishing!

I'll try again

I love both bands, they're both good live, but I'm bored with the album tours, some songs just don't work live, I much prefer New Orders reworking of 596 to Hooky's version with that god awful long intro where everyone will just go to the bog and miss the rest of it, but I prefer his Temptation

It all depends on the types of audiences who attend. More knowledgeable fans want variety... less knowledgeable fans just wait around for a few songs they are familiar with, and those fans want the songs to sound exactly like the recording. If you don't get enough of the hard core base, you need to patronize the casual fair-whether dweebs. At a large stage at a festival, hundreds will just walk away if they do not recognize a song. Hooky's Light Division and Barney's Old Order sort of cater to different audience demographics, with some crossover. Will the novelty wear off?

Hmmm....It just seems that Hooky is always trying to take a shot at New Order whenever he can. Even when he's been doing promo for New Order releases...

On the legal side of things Hooky dissolved his partnership with New Order Ltd and started a new company. No problem with that. The man has to earn a living and he seems to be doing alright, that's great. However my understanding of the situation is that when Mr Hook dissolved his partnership with his old company, the company (N.O) should also have been dissolved and they have no right to continue trading under that name. I don't agree with that and I think they should be allowed to continue as they are. They are 3/4 of the original line up, that's good enough for me.

But that's not my main beef with Hooky, I'm just fed up of him slagging his old band off. A lot of what he says is just plain nasty. Has he looked at their set lists? There's quite a few album tracks in there as well as the hit's. Not everyone that's gone to the gigs know all these songs but the hits they will. I thought the set's have been well balanced. Tribute band they certainly ain't.

Andy wrote: I remember the good old days when New Order never hit a bum note. Virtuosity was the order of the day. Sobriety and clinical precision is surey lacking in this, the vilest of New Odours!

It's not about bum notes, Chapman played different lines altogether.

Stoo wrote: On the legal side of things Hooky dissolved his partnership with New Order Ltd and started a new company. No problem with that. The man has to earn a living and he seems to be doing alright, that's great. However my understanding of the situation is that when Mr Hook dissolved his partnership with his old company, the company (N.O) should also have been dissolved and they have no right to continue trading under that name. I don't agree with that and I think they should be allowed to continue as they are. They are 3/4 of the original line up, that's good enough for me.

I think you've got all that completely upside down. He's very much part of the original Ltd Company, just not the new one that was formed without him for New Order (Now) going forward.

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote: All I was trying to say is that the current New Order are New Order, even if they have 3/4ths of the original or 'classic' lineup. I don't think they are merely a tribute band, and I'm sure I'm not the only fan in the world who thinks this.

It's quite easy to fill stadiums, festivals, whatver with the single hits. Why not also include album songs which also deserve the fans respect? Things like that makes me think are they playing just for money. Just my opinion.

Well, any group that plays live and you have to pay the tickets to see them perform obviously is doing it for money, right? (except benefit concerts, of course)

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Aracri wrote: Some groups change their lineups, it's simple and quite common. And that doesn't make them tribute bands. Hooky continues his bizarre comparisons...

I really think Tom Chapman's doing a good job in New Order, but it's obvious it would be much better if Hooky's still was with them. Now New Order has a new line up and that is it.

Fook off Luis!

Will not pay you a beer ever again! kkkkkkk

What about our journey to Colombia in April?!?!?!

Not confirmed yet...

When he meant it, he meant it!

"Don't play ya fookin guitar here again!"

the new (old)new order should do a uk tour playing a classic lp a night. then a encore of greatest hits that is what other 80's bands do to very critical acclaim, ie, the cure. bunnymen,simple minds.... just an idea.. oh yeah. hooky's doing it

neil larkcom wrote: the new (old)new order should do a uk tour playing a classic lp a night. then a encore of greatest hits that is what other 80's bands do to very critical acclaim, ie, the cure. bunnymen,simple minds.... just an idea.. oh yeah. hooky's doing it

Not all songs from albums work live though....New Order should just tour the songs they want to play, instead of doing 'album tours'...New Order already have decent reviews without having to do that kind of tour, you know.

leather-girl wrote: Not all songs from albums work live though....New Order should just tour the songs they want to play, instead of doing 'album tours'...New Order already have decent reviews without having to do that kind of tour, you know.

As much as I may like them to, a Republic 20th Anniversary tour just isnt gonna happen😄 .

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote: All I was trying to say is that the current New Order are New Order, even if they have 3/4ths of the original or 'classic' lineup. I don't think they are merely a tribute band, and I'm sure I'm not the only fan in the world who thinks this.

It's quite easy to fill stadiums, festivals, whatver with the single hits. Why not also include album songs which also deserve the fans respect? Things like that makes me think are they playing just for money. Just my opinion. Everybody in music is in it to make a living, to some degree, but I think New Order have tact. Not all songs they play are singles, either. Naturally quite a few would be singles, but claiming they don't do any album songs is just ridiculous. I know you like Hooky, but you can look at New Order's setlists for proof. To be fair, some would be singles, because people want to hear some of the famous songs. And if it only was for the money, why would they take the time to rework the songs, or create video backgrounds?

Maybe cause I am just an old bastard fan who likes the old fookin'stuff

In the case of a successful band as New Order, the audience of a concert doesn't consists only by huge/hardcore fans... So is quite difficult to make a balanced/decent setlist to please everybody. Hits are the only way to do a gig for most and not only for the "extremists" (including me). C'est la vie.

Beyond that, New Order is such a different band since a long time and not after Hooky's quit. I remember an interview published in Brazil in the late 80's in which Steve Morris said if New Order had changed their next record could be a "True Faith Part II" or something like that. Well, after 1993 they did "True Faith-94", "Blue Monday-95", "1963 '95" and released a handful of compilations and remixes of their back catalogue. In other words, to do a lots of money with their past isn't a post-Hooky's departure practice. Both, the record company AND the band won ($) with that.

But I'm not pissed off. I still love New Order and his different incarnations (from Joy Division to this new lineup), but of course the band that I learned to admire when I was 11 doesn't exist anymore since much time. Bands are made of human beings and they change their minds over the years...

leather-girl wrote:

Not all songs from albums work live though.

That's what I said

..but surely seeing bernard struggle to sing the whole of 'movement' or ' pc&l' would be hilarious. obviously omitting dream never end and doubts even here.

on a serious note, i just hoe they continue to vary the setlist a little. re-visit a few more old tunes. ie. hurt,village,this time of night,all day long, and anything off of technique.

now a 25 anniversary tour of technique is a goer.

I think Barney would sound fine singing Dreams Never End. It would more interesting (for everyone involved) if Chappy had a go, though.

http://digboston.com/listen/2013/02/interview-peter-hook-of-joy-division-and-new-order/?utm\_source=feedburner&utm\_medium=feed&utm\_campaign=Feed%3A+Digboston+%28DigBoston%29

“Hooky” recently spoke to me by phone from his room at the Prescott Hotel in San Francisco.

Do you still really not care if you, as you write on page 203, “piss off any journalist”?

(laughs) I’ve had journalists be wonderful and I’ve had jouralists be awful. It doesn’t stop you really. You do have to learn to cope with that. You’ve got to trust what you’re doing, and believe in what you’re doing yourself

I was surprised to read that you and Bernard Sumner (Joy Division and New Order’s guitarist) had Santana stickers on your scooters when you were teenagers.

I’m still a great fan of Santana. I think you realize that there’s a place for everything in your head, isn’t there? Santana and that album in particular [1970's Abraxas] reminds me of being 16-17 and just discovering life. I still have a great love for it, a great fondness.

I did love Deep Purple, you know. That idea of getting rid of all the old musicians and sweeping them away like sort of to create a new world was such a young and naïve way of thinking. It was actually quite weird because as a 56-year-old old fart, I wanted to get rid of myself, which is quite scary. I’m so glad I didn’t, because I enjoy being a musician just as much now as I did when I was 21, so I’m very glad I didn’t get my own way, to say the least.

Did you interact with Morrissey or Mark E. Smith (later of The Fall) at the Sex Pistols show in Manchester on June 4, 1976?

No. They were all strangers to us. There were very few people there, only about forty. The venue must have held three or four hundred.

Once the The Sex Pistols came on … you were literally in awe. It wasn’t the magnificence of it. It wasn’t like seeing Led Zeppelin do “Stairway To Heaven” or anything like that. It touched a raw nerve in your body.

Throughout the book, you make it clear that you were very proud of Joy Division’s music as well as the fact that you “managed to stay cool, credible, and independent.” Were there any bands that you considered to be worthy adversaries in terms of creativity and integrity? Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Gang of Four: They all made fantastic, fantastic first records. Siouxsie were to me the closest thing to Joy Division. On the second album, when they got the proper guitarist and the proper bass player, to me they went a bit more normal, shall we say.

Joy Division, 1980 (Ian Curtis, Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris, Peter Hook) What about The Fall? I’ve always had a very, very strange relationship with [Fall lead singer and songwriter] Mark E. Smith. I am so competitive. Because he was in Manchester, he was sort of too close and too much in competition to ever be friends. Whilst I like some of The Fall’s music, I think he’s a really clever geezer, [we] don’t have great relationship.

It took me years, actually, to admit to liking The Smiths. Until [their 1986 album] The Queen is Dead, I fucking hated them, for no other reason than that they were in competition with New Order. Morrissey was always very outspoken in his distaste for Joy Division. He thought they were miserable and gloomy, and shit basically. You sort of learn to live together. When I got to The Queen Is Dead, I heard that LP, I though, ‘Ah shit, I can’t pretend I don’t like ‘em anymore!’ I had to give in. It’s a great record.

Linus Solanki wrote:

**I was surprised to read that you and Bernard Sumner (Joy Division and New Order’s guitarist) had Santana stickers on your scooters when you were teenagers.**I’m still a great fan of Santana. I think you realize that there’s a place for everything in your head, isn’t there? Santana and that album in particular [1970's Abraxas] reminds me of being 16-17 and just discovering life. I still have a great love for it, a great fondness.

That's the best thing he (Hooky) said recently... 😂

Don't think this one has been posted yet:

PETER HOOK: WOULD ANYTHING SURPRISE YOU IN THIS WORLD?

I know you’re not a petty man, but if you really want to twist the knife…hire [former Warsaw drummer Steve] Brotherdale. Then call Stephen Morris up and say, ‘Hey, Steven … guess who’s our drummer!’ [laughs] You know, he works at McDonald’s. As a manager? I don’t think he was a manager when I went there, but he just got prosecuted for beating up his wife. Because it was in the ‘paper: Ex-Joy Division Drummer: Wife-Beater! Wild.

You know what? You got a lot of help, really. That is to say—I mean, as much as I hate to admit it, Bernard [Sumner] was a really great help in the beginning. So was Ian Curtis. And they encouraged you. I mean, the reason I played high was because I couldn’t hear the low notes—my speakers were that bad. My speakers cost $15—and they sounded like $15, even though $15 in 1976 was a lot of money. It sounded terrible, and you couldn’t hear it! The only way you could hear it was to play high. And Ian Curtis in particular said, ‘That’s what you should concentrate on. It sounds fantastic when you play high. Play high.’ And every time we came to rehearse, he’d say, ‘Hooky, play high, play high—driving along, driving along!’ And it was quite simple—and then Bernard encouraged me to get a chorus pedal, because he said, ‘Because you’re playing high, you need to fatten it up a bit,’ and that’s how I got an Electro-Harmonix chorus. And then Martin Hannett said to me, ‘Hooky, you’ve got a shit bass amp. You should have the best bass amp in the world.’

You know what it’s like? It’s like that really really hot girl in high school, that everyone says, ‘Oh, don’t go for her, she’s trouble.’ But you’ve got to fuck her. You’ve got to go for her anyway! And you do—and it’s amazing. Going back to New Order again, every so often over the years, I would see bootlegs of New Order concerts, and Gillian would every so often kind of muff it—she would be in the wrong key or something—and Stephen would come out from behind the drumkit and really sarcastically put her finger on the right key, roll his eyes, and go back behind the kit. Did that really go on, or was I just imagining that? I’m afraid so, yes. She was never the most … accomplished musician. If she hadn’t been shagging the drummer, I don’t think she would have got the gig, to be honest. That was one of the puzzles with New Order: the happiest I ever saw Bernard in New Order was when she left! And that has really puzzled me. I guess the thing is: he must hate me more! [cackles]

Found this one very interesting, and potentially controversial as well.

Posted my pearl-clutching outrage in the 'libel' thread.

The bit about Gillian is just ... And considering the reasons she left, I doubt that Bernard was glad she left.

Another day, another ill-advised Hooky interview. His constant attempts to belittle Gillian's role within the band are extremely distasteful. I used to have a lot of respect for Hooky, but that's all gone and i'm glad he's no longer part of New Order.

Volturno wrote: Don't think this one has been posted yet:

PETER HOOK: WOULD ANYTHING SURPRISE YOU IN THIS WORLD?

I know you’re not a petty man, but if you really want to twist the knife…hire [former Warsaw drummer Steve] Brotherdale. Then call Stephen Morris up and say, ‘Hey, Steven … guess who’s our drummer!’ [laughs] You know, he works at McDonald’s. As a manager? I don’t think he was a manager when I went there, but he just got prosecuted for beating up his wife. Because it was in the ‘paper: Ex-Joy Division Drummer: Wife-Beater! Wild.

You know what? You got a lot of help, really. That is to say—I mean, as much as I hate to admit it, Bernard [Sumner] was a really great help in the beginning. So was Ian Curtis. And they encouraged you. I mean, the reason I played high was because I couldn’t hear the low notes—my speakers were that bad. My speakers cost $15—and they sounded like $15, even though $15 in 1976 was a lot of money. It sounded terrible, and you couldn’t hear it! The only way you could hear it was to play high. And Ian Curtis in particular said, ‘That’s what you should concentrate on. It sounds fantastic when you play high. Play high.’ And every time we came to rehearse, he’d say, ‘Hooky, play high, play high—driving along, driving along!’ And it was quite simple—and then Bernard encouraged me to get a chorus pedal, because he said, ‘Because you’re playing high, you need to fatten it up a bit,’ and that’s how I got an Electro-Harmonix chorus. And then Martin Hannett said to me, ‘Hooky, you’ve got a shit bass amp. You should have the best bass amp in the world.’

You know what it’s like? It’s like that really really hot girl in high school, that everyone says, ‘Oh, don’t go for her, she’s trouble.’ But you’ve got to fuck her. You’ve got to go for her anyway! And you do—and it’s amazing. Going back to New Order again, every so often over the years, I would see bootlegs of New Order concerts, and Gillian would every so often kind of muff it—she would be in the wrong key or something—and Stephen would come out from behind the drumkit and really sarcastically put her finger on the right key, roll his eyes, and go back behind the kit. Did that really go on, or was I just imagining that? I’m afraid so, yes. She was never the most … accomplished musician. If she hadn’t been shagging the drummer, I don’t think she would have got the gig, to be honest. That was one of the puzzles with New Order: the happiest I ever saw Bernard in New Order was when she left! And that has really puzzled me. I guess the thing is: he must hate me more! [cackles]

Found this one very interesting, and potentially controversial as well.

First off this interview and interviewer are disgustingly sycophantic towards Hooky. I mean, did this interviewer watch Deep Throat before talking to the Hookster?

Regret the "last true New Order song." Really?????? No I think that Crystal, Someone Like You, Close Range, Primitive Notion, Here To Stay, Krafty, WFTSC, Turn, and even I'll Stay With You and Hellbent are real New Order songs...they all came out after 2000 and you can clearly hear Hooky on them.

Hooky "the soul of New Order"? Please. For real? So Bernard's songwriting, vocal, synth, and production skills don't matter in New Order? Steve's drumming and programming don't matter? Gillian's synth melodies don't matter? Heck, Phil has even contributed some cool guitar parts in latter day NO.

Lastly....

The sexism that Hooky displays towards Gilllian in this interview and the way the interviewer eats it up is truly offensive.

I don't think Hooky meant that Regret was the last New Order, I think he sees it as the last song by New Order when it still was New Order in his opinion, as for the original set of principles, formation and relations, I'd guess.