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I'm pretty sure Bernard forgets the second 'I' in his little spelling lecture at the end. Nice to hear a decent quality version. I would agree with a previous comment that it's a decent album track. Doesn't sound like a 'single' to me but maybe it's the best of the new stuff that they've got...
Professionally filmed video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ5idkbbSno
What I like so much is how all the band members all have very distinct elements they add to the song: Steve's drum solo at 5.20, Tom's bass line, Phil's recurring guitar riff, Bernard's riff at 5.36 and even some clear keyboard parts from Gillian!
It's a grower though they could comfortably afford to shave off 2 minutes no probs. I like Gillian's keys, esp that weird squelchy sound. Some of Barney's phrasing is a little odd dontcha think?
M1 wrote:
Some of Barney's phrasing is a little odd dontcha think?
Really??
I like it quite a lot. Hopeful for the next album/EP/'tever.
Rorschach wrote:
M1 wrote:
Some of Barney's phrasing is a little odd dontcha think?
Really??
I like it quite a lot. Hopeful for the next album/EP/'tever.
I agree.
No need to edit it down, either.
The song style is un-neworderly, seems much more standard alterna-lite rock. At least not repeating himself, but not quite the epic jam it tries to be IMO.
Seems like a good live song, as everyone in the band gets involved. If some of the new songs are more "electronic" in style, they may be harder to play live.
0_o wrote: The song style is un-neworderly, seems much more standard alterna-lite rock. At least not repeating himself, but not quite the epic jam it tries to be IMO.
Seems like a good live song, as everyone in the band gets involved. If some of the new songs are more "electronic" in style, they may be harder to play live.
Sequencers will sort that I presume
M1 wrote: It's a grower though they could comfortably afford to shave off 2 minutes no probs.
Cun't say I agree, I like the epic ones more than the radio-friendly shorties. Money makes you happy. Tell that to Victoria Beckham.
surface wrote:
0_o wrote: The song style is un-neworderly, seems much more standard alterna-lite rock. At least not repeating himself, but not quite the epic jam it tries to be IMO.
Seems like a good live song, as everyone in the band gets involved. If some of the new songs are more "electronic" in style, they may be harder to play live.
Sequencers will sort that I presume
I don't see why not. New Order have had experience in that department.
i love the new song. anyone else think drop the guitar is better song title then singularity
Andy wrote:
surface wrote:
0_o wrote: The song style is un-neworderly, seems much more standard alterna-lite rock. At least not repeating himself, but not quite the epic jam it tries to be IMO.
Seems like a good live song, as everyone in the band gets involved. If some of the new songs are more "electronic" in style, they may be harder to play live.
Sequencers will sort that I presume
I don't see why not. New Order have had experience in that department.
It just seems like the current New Order era, as well as the 2005-6 version, are not exactly into improv. Everything is planned and prepared in advance to sound more like a studio recording. This new song has obviously been set up well before hand and put in sync with the video display. I don't think they want to play songs and wing it, and figure it out as they go along like they often seemed to try back in the early 80s.
0_o wrote: The song style is un-neworderly, seems much more standard alterna-lite rock. At least not repeating himself, but not quite the epic jam it tries to be IMO.
Seems like a good live song, as everyone in the band gets involved. If some of the new songs are more "electronic" in style, they may be harder to play live.
It would be an anachronism if the New Order's sound of today sounded exactly as it was in the early days, their music would sound dated. The best thing in New Order in the 80s was how their music sounded fresh and modern. One of the things that makes me happy when Get Ready came out in 2001 was how they still sounded contemporary inserting electronics in a more organic guitar driven songs. In my opinion, "Singularity" has the authentic New Order's signature, even not repeating their old and epical 12" writing style.
0_o wrote:
Andy wrote:
surface wrote:
0_o wrote: The song style is un-neworderly, seems much more standard alterna-lite rock. At least not repeating himself, but not quite the epic jam it tries to be IMO.
Seems like a good live song, as everyone in the band gets involved. If some of the new songs are more "electronic" in style, they may be harder to play live.
Sequencers will sort that I presume
I don't see why not. New Order have had experience in that department.
It just seems like the current New Order era, as well as the 2005-6 version, are not exactly into improv. Everything is planned and prepared in advance to sound more like a studio recording. This new song has obviously been set up well before hand and put in sync with the video display. I don't think they want to play songs and wing it, and figure it out as they go along like they often seemed to try back in the early 80s.
While the setlists hadn't yet become static, after Brotherhood, the days of loose, experimental (I wouldn't use the term improv) performances were gone. We can mourn the loss, but would be crazy to expect them to return at this point.
In defence of "Singularity", this was the first performance of new, unheard material in ages (in front of festival crowds, no less) so I can understand the band not exactly throwing caution to the wind. In the current era of cell cameras and YouTube, just imagine if they debuted an unrehearsed shambles of the track. People would be writing the obituary for the new album/ep/whatever months before it was released.
I like the track, certainly better than Lost Sirens / Bad Lieutenant, probably on a par with the better moments of Sirens. If the rest of the ep/album matches this I won't be disappointed.
Re: title, Singularity is a bit of a mouthful, not exactly catchy, Drop The Guitar I'd say is better!
Subcultured wrote: I like the track, certainly better than Lost Sirens / Bad Lieutenant, probably on a par with the better moments of Sirens. If the rest of the ep/album matches this I won't be disappointed.
Re: title, Singularity is a bit of a mouthful, not exactly catchy, Drop The Guitar I'd say is better!
I don't like either myself.
What about "Lost Souls", "Seven Inches" or "Dracula's one bedroom Studio Flat"?
It was 'Drop Guitar' not 'Drop The Guitar' FYI.
Regarding their 80s habit of debuting half finished tracks, you're never going to get any band doing stuff like that any more these days, not while it's seen on You Tube within the day and reviewed by all and sundry worldwide in no time. Especially anything that isn't pretty well rehearsed and arranged/written.
However, there is still plenty of time for this track to change before release (next year?).
Johnny James wrote: It was 'Drop Guitar' not 'Drop The Guitar' FYI.
Regarding their 80s habit of debuting half finished tracks, you're never going to get any band doing stuff like that any more these days, not while it's seen on You Tube within the day and reviewed by all and sundry worldwide in no time. Especially anything that isn't pretty well rehearsed and arranged/written.
However, there is still plenty of time for this track to change before release (next year?).
After the gig in Chile, a mate - Ricardo - got a copy of the set list with Dian Barton... In that piece of paper was written "Drop Guitar", but Dian told him that the correct working title was "Drop THE Guitar".
Well it's not, it was 'Drop Guitar', and it's not even that now having been quickly named whilst on tour.
Aracri wrote:
0_o wrote: The song style is un-neworderly, seems much more standard alterna-lite rock. At least not repeating himself, but not quite the epic jam it tries to be IMO.
Seems like a good live song, as everyone in the band gets involved. If some of the new songs are more "electronic" in style, they may be harder to play live.
It would be an anachronism if the New Order's sound of today sounded exactly as it was in the early days, their music would sound dated. The best thing in New Order in the 80s was how their music sounded fresh and modern. One of the things that makes me happy when Get Ready came out in 2001 was how they still sounded contemporary inserting electronics in a more organic guitar driven songs. In my opinion, "Singularity" has the authentic New Order's signature, even not repeating their old and epical 12" writing style.
I disagree. I think electronic music is more relevant than ever, and rock is a thing of the past. Just listen to the radio or look at what songs have been charting in the past few years.
Singularity is a bit lite-alternative rock, but I don't mind as long as most of the album is electronic/synth based songs.
I think what you mean is there's room for development, new sounds mixed with old. but it almost comes across as you (Aracri) don't want them doing electronic music.
Sage_ wrote:
Aracri wrote:
0_o wrote: The song style is un-neworderly, seems much more standard alterna-lite rock. At least not repeating himself, but not quite the epic jam it tries to be IMO.
Seems like a good live song, as everyone in the band gets involved. If some of the new songs are more "electronic" in style, they may be harder to play live.
It would be an anachronism if the New Order's sound of today sounded exactly as it was in the early days, their music would sound dated. The best thing in New Order in the 80s was how their music sounded fresh and modern. One of the things that makes me happy when Get Ready came out in 2001 was how they still sounded contemporary inserting electronics in a more organic guitar driven songs. In my opinion, "Singularity" has the authentic New Order's signature, even not repeating their old and epical 12" writing style.
I disagree. I think electronic music is more relevant than ever, and rock is a thing of the past. Just listen to the radio or look at what songs have been charting in the past few years.
Singularity is a bit lite-alternative rock, but I don't mind as long as most of the album is electronic/synth based songs.
I think what you mean is there's room for development, new sounds mixed with old. but it almost comes across as you (Aracri) don't want them doing electronic music.
I didn't say that really. I just think they should look ahead and it seems they're doing it. And this is not a question of doing electronic music or not, or if rock'n roll is a overfashioned sound. But the wonderful thing in Get Ready is they didn't repeat themselves. And I never saw New Order as an electronic music band - as Kraftwerk, which I love so much - but a musical group who incorporated electronics and dance floor influences in its formula. And they're still doing that. "Singularity" really sounds like New Order because that song truly has some of its trademarks even not resembling exactly to "Blue Monday" or "Perfect Kiss". If they were doing that, they're doing a kind of pastiche of themselves. Play synthesizers to emulate/recreate de mid-80s sound is something as rooted in the past as rock also is. If the new song sounds like lite-alternative rock, is because the lite-alternative bands sounds as New Order.
I think the beauty of New Order is the group is as much semi rock as they are semi electronic. I wish they continue exploring and mixing both styles.
The other important thing is: does the charts are really relevant as measure to discussing anything? I really don't think so. In the past few years, as you said, electronic music or pop music based on electronics has been charted a lot... But the tracks on the charts are like waves: they come and go. Some become classic (so much guitar driven songs as electronic based tracks). Some not.
Aracri wrote:
Sage_ wrote:
Aracri wrote:
0_o wrote: The song style is un-neworderly, seems much more standard alterna-lite rock. At least not repeating himself, but not quite the epic jam it tries to be IMO.
Seems like a good live song, as everyone in the band gets involved. If some of the new songs are more "electronic" in style, they may be harder to play live.
It would be an anachronism if the New Order's sound of today sounded exactly as it was in the early days, their music would sound dated. The best thing in New Order in the 80s was how their music sounded fresh and modern. One of the things that makes me happy when Get Ready came out in 2001 was how they still sounded contemporary inserting electronics in a more organic guitar driven songs. In my opinion, "Singularity" has the authentic New Order's signature, even not repeating their old and epical 12" writing style.
I disagree. I think electronic music is more relevant than ever, and rock is a thing of the past. Just listen to the radio or look at what songs have been charting in the past few years.
Singularity is a bit lite-alternative rock, but I don't mind as long as most of the album is electronic/synth based songs.
I think what you mean is there's room for development, new sounds mixed with old. but it almost comes across as you (Aracri) don't want them doing electronic music.
I didn't say that really. I just think they should look ahead and it seems they're doing it. And this is not a question of doing electronic music or not, or if rock'n roll is a overfashioned sound. But the wonderful thing in Get Ready is they didn't repeat themselves. And I never saw New Order as an electronic music band - as Kraftwerk, which I love so much - but a musical group who incorporated electronics and dance floor influences in its formula. And they're still doing that. "Singularity" really sounds like New Order because that song truly has some of its trademarks even not resembling exactly to "Blue Monday" or "Perfect Kiss". If they were doing that, they're doing a kind of pastiche of themselves. Play synthesizers to emulate/recreate de mid-80s sound is something as rooted in the past as rock also is. If the new song sounds like lite-alternative rock, is because the lite-alternative bands sounds as New Order.
I think the beauty of New Order is the group is as much semi rock as they are semi electronic. I wish they continue exploring and mixing both styles.
The other important thing is: does the charts are really relevant as measure to discussing anything? I really don't think so. In the past few years, as you said, electronic music or pop music based on electronics has been charted a lot... But the tracks on the charts are like waves: they come and go. Some become classic (so much guitar driven songs as electronic based tracks). Some not.
Yeah I guess you're right. I wouldn't want to discourage them from doing Blue Monday no.2 considering it's their biggest song.
Dreams_Never_End wrote: Professionally filmed video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ5idkbbSno
What I like so much is how all the band members all have very distinct elements they add to the song: Steve's drum solo at 5.20, Tom's bass line, Phil's recurring guitar riff, Bernard's riff at 5.36 and even some clear keyboard parts from Gillian!
Yeah, why's there always one 'Don't like' tosser? I reckon it's Andy off Little Britain.
I like it more now than i did a few weeks ago.The lyris don't seem as trite as they did on first listen.Bit concerned though that the guitar bit at 1.36 to around 1.50 ( in the professional, webcast shot footage in Sau Paulo) reminds me of I Will Follow by U2.
Bill wrote: I like it more now than i did a few weeks ago.The lyris don't seem as trite as they did on first listen.Bit concerned though that the guitar bit at 1.36 to around 1.50 ( in the professional, webcast shot footage in Sau Paulo) reminds me of I Will Follow by U2.
The riff may begin in the same key but that's where the resemblance ends for me.
Try not to let it play on your mind.
Andy wrote:
Bill wrote: I like it more now than i did a few weeks ago.The lyris don't seem as trite as they did on first listen.Bit concerned though that the guitar bit at 1.36 to around 1.50 ( in the professional, webcast shot footage in Sau Paulo) reminds me of I Will Follow by U2.
The riff may begin in the same key but that's where the resemblance ends for me.
Try not to let it play on your mind.
OK.Boss.Not sure i like your tone but it's so hard over the computer inter web.
the record release will obviously have superlative vocals by sumner, and i suspect all of the new songs will be of great quality. these still very young old wonders will never release anything less than great , as they are writing for themselves , not us .
Bill wrote:
Andy wrote:
Bill wrote: I like it more now than i did a few weeks ago.The lyris don't seem as trite as they did on first listen.Bit concerned though that the guitar bit at 1.36 to around 1.50 ( in the professional, webcast shot footage in Sau Paulo) reminds me of I Will Follow by U2.
The riff may begin in the same key but that's where the resemblance ends for me.
Try not to let it play on your mind.
OK.Boss.Not sure i like your tone but it's so hard over the computer inter web.
I'm still trying to get the hang of this TV-Typewriter contraption.
keepitcoming wrote: all of the new songs will be of great quality.
Thanks for clearing that one up.
Michael Monkhouse wrote:
keepitcoming wrote: all of the new songs will be of great quality.
Thanks for clearing that one up.
But will they have a certain je ne sais quoi?
Andy wrote:
Michael Monkhouse wrote:
keepitcoming wrote: all of the new songs will be of great quality.
Thanks for clearing that one up.
But will they have a certain je ne sais quoi?
I can assure you, they will certainly have a certain "whatcha doing?".
