So she is on it!
For what it's worth, I think that it's both La Roux and DJ on backing vocals on this one, layered together. Hope DJ is on a few other tracks and given a bit more room.
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Bloody hell, that is one catchy tune.
I must've listened to is over a dozen times, only switching to the impressive RAC mix of Restless a couple of times when Youtube suggested it.
I'm not hoping for Technique Part2 but it looks like Music Complete could well be the closest thing to that slice of sonic perfection (since Acolyte.)
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Debaser wrote: Gillian retweeted:
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Ha! So i was right after all.I was sure it wasn't Elly.Thanks.Though i feel bad now for describing it as generic backing vocalist when it is in fact the wonderful Denise Johnson.Always loved her voice especially on stuff like Movin On Up by Primal Scream.And isn't that her on Electronic's Get The Message? Brilliant vocals on that song.
Spittingcat wrote: So she is on it!
For what it's worth, I think that it's both La Roux and DJ on backing vocals on this one, layered together..
Good point.Quite possibly.
Its OK - but Out Of Control did the same thing 100 times better and that was 17 years ago - it sounds more like a Technique B-side than anything to get excited about after all these years. If this and Restless are the first two things they've chosen to release, I'm beginning to think Music Complete might not be that great after all, regardless of what the press have said so far.
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It's DJ and Dawn Zee layered up together to make the backing vocals… apparently.
- They are on Nothing But A Fool as well.
Spittingcat wrote: It's DJ and Dawn Zee layered up together to make the backing vocals… apparently.
- They are on Nothing But A Fool as well.
Source?
Debaser wrote:
Source?
DJ
Song is a grower. Better with each listen. Still far prefer Restless though.
"Plastic" really got me. The female voice is unnecessary, but not a great scratch in the song. I heard it with a headphone and sounds fantastic. A song that grows up.
Really enjoy "Plastic". It's not BLT but it's easily the best dance record New Order have put out since... the first Electronic record.
Speaking of which, that record too featured a diva yelling all over the top of its most famous single. I'll tell you, every time I read "unnecessary vocal" you can really tell which fans came into New Order through dance music and which ones came in through The Cure. :)
Agree that "Restless" is a grower. Initially it sounded like total dad rock but the lead into the choruses is sublime.
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After my rather harsh words yesterday, I’d like to elaborate further – it’s obvious they really put much effort in it, the playfulness on the arrangement of the synth strings is amazing, I know no other band that is capable of doing that in such a subtle, but emotionally rich way. The song in itself, the chord structure, could also be a killer, but the sounds used are quite a letdown: the Moroder-theme as a reference has been done to death in the last 20 years in Techno/House/Synthpop, and used as directly as in „Plastic“, is bland and boring by now. You could easily alter this pattern with more diverse sounds and mixing up the rhythm structure – this is the second weak point, the drum programming/playing is standard 90ies-dance-fodder, why didn’t they make it more contemporary either by getting more minimal or at least a bit wonky, using more interesting sounds? Pet Shop Boys showed how to do it right on their last album. Finally the bass guitar-solo is kind of a joke, sounding dilettante and badly produced. After hearing what Peter Hook has played on other dance tracks like „Guilt“, „Round & Round“ or even „Jetstream“, this part from Tom is disappointing. But maybe that's the point in combination with the lyrics, a parody on the Hookster.
And yes, "Restless" is really great! Love it now after instantly liking it from first listen.
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I like it. It's more immediate than Restless which has almost universally been accepted as "a bit of a grower" but I reckon Plastic is a bit of a grower in it's own way. When I first heard Restless I didn't dislike it but like many just wasn't sure it was the Regret/Crystal-like behemoth required for a first single. Fast forward a couple of months I can't get the bloody chorus out of my head and the instrumentation fits together perfectly. Plastic's vastly different electro sound would not have been that out of place on the last Pet Shop Boys album 'Electric' which I personally really enjoyed. The hand/influence of Stuart Price is clear (although he's not producing?) is as is Richard X's involvement in the mixing.
It's clearly undergone a big revamp since the live versions... the one I (vaguely) remember in San Francisco seemed different but I can't say I'm not impressed by the final mix. Must admit, 10 out of 10 to Mute for how they've handled the release of the new material so far; they seem to have a solid attention to detail which Warners really lacked in the final years. Really looking forward to receiving the physical product(s).
Spittingcat wrote: Preorder the album on iTunes, and the early tracks are free. You only need pay “once”.
“Complete my album” means that you could buy just the early tracks now, and then get the rest of the album after release with the price of those tracks knocked off. You only need pay “once”.
Well I'll just go ahead and reign in my righteous consumer indignation right here and now.
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I dunno, this song just seems a bit charmless to me.
Nothing really jumps out (and yes it is missing something)
I like how it's completely different from Restless in that it is structured wholly around the synths. In many ways, it reminds me of Axis from the last PSB album, bit of a thumper and clearly designed for the dance floor. I quite like the outro, and the long intro into the vocals. Barney's vocals are good and the lyrics were not as cringeworthy as other songs of recent vintage. On a whole, I give it solid to strong like. I like that they are trying to show people with these first two tracks that there is a bit of diversity with this record.
Just had an email off Warner Music Store with an MP3 download of Plastic linked.
Sounds even better with a bit more clarity - thank fuck the neighbours aren't in...
Rorschach wrote: Just had an email off Warner Music Store with an MP3 download of Plastic linked.
Sounds even better with a bit more clarity - thank fuck the neighbours aren't in...
Yeah i noticed Barney's vocals and one or two other sounds are a little clearer with this download.
If you wanted to be really critical of Plastic you could (as many have) say it's very like something Pet Shop Boys would have knocked up with a not very compelling melody or lyric and a slightly tired Moroder feel.It's very slick and flash and boasts exquisite production but fans of ultra cutting edge electronic/dance music probably wouldn't give it a second listen.But it is what it is and does what the band set out to do with it i think.It's a good,fun listen despite all that and plays its part in the album as a whole (i'm guessing) .As long as there are a few songs with a more human or poignant lyric and tune on the album i'll take Plastic for the slick and flash track that it is.
Fotzepolitic wrote:
Rorschach wrote: Just had an email off Warner Music Store with an MP3 download of Plastic linked.
Sounds even better with a bit more clarity - thank fuck the neighbours aren't in...
Yeah i noticed Barney's vocals and one or two other sounds are a little clearer with this download.
It’s been said most people can’t hear the difference in a standard mp3/m4a versus one with a high sample and bit rate, but the high res download of Plastic is 235 MB, 96kHz and 24 bit. The difference in this case is definitely notable.
I’m still getting used to the song. When I first heard it, I thought it was a mess. The more I listen, the more I discover something new. For example, I just noticed that the 1:30 mark sounds like it’s about to go into PSB’s version of “Where the Streets Have No Name.” And with the lyrics, I can’t help but think it’s a dig at Peter Hook. The sardonic tone of all of the lyrics up until the end is quite interesting, then Chapman’s bass solo at 2:46 seems to say, “Look, we can sound the same with another bassist.” And, to me, how it’s not quite at the forefront of the music makes a subtle statement as well.
Then, the last lines are just like a kick in the nuts with honesty.
It’s just another example of the complexities of this band, both in music and personality.
I think I like Plastic. I have 2 problems with it though. The lyrics are daft (I mean, who is he singing about? Khloe Kardashian?), but we're kinda okay with it by now... but it's the ending that reminds me something off 'Twisted Tenderness', which I never cared about, very un-New Ordery. Someone pointed here that it also is reminiscent of Out of Control. I never understood why so many people liked the Chem Bros: to me they were repetitious and unimaginative.
The song that I'm anxiously waiting for is Singularity. I was listening to a live version over and over today and the structure, the lyrical melody all sounded fantastic. I hope the studio version is the same.
hello
i used to be a member before all the bots took over the last forum,just lurked since then but i'm half p####d and decided to re join
the first few times i heard plastic i thought it as superb...now i'm not so sure
total opposite to restless which i hated but now like😕
looking forward to the album though,a lot
One reviewer called Plastic a "weapons grade Eurodisco dance track." I agree. Restless was a shot across the bow but Plastic is a direct hit. Never cared for PSB so I won't compare it to them but definitely a homage to Moroder and Summers. Nothing wrong with that. Glad I pre-ordered the CD and Deluxe vinyl. The more I hear, the more I realize that NO is not fookin' around this time. Cannae wait to hear all the mixes. Now can they start selling the music Complete flag??
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lee wrote: hello
i used to be a member before all the bots took over the last forum,just lurked since then but i'm half p####d and decided to re join
the first few times i heard plastic i thought it as superb...now i'm not so sure
total opposite to restless which i hated but now like😕
looking forward to the album though,a lot
Restless is a really intelligent song.Though its message will predictably and inevitably completely fly over the consumerist, Kardashian loving, shopping loving, selfie loving generation.Such is, sadly, life in the 21st Century.
Love the build up in the intro, when the wobbly bass kicks in and all, but it's droning on a bit in the middle and the lyrics are daft (even for a NO song). Restless has better flow, but this is a dance song so it wins the duel for me.
Anyone know where to get this legally if you're in the EU? Can't find it anywhere, I'm going mad being stuck with the mediocre quality youtube version.
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NikacP0kac93 wrote: Love the build up in the intro, when the wobbly bass kicks in and all, but it's droning on a bit in the middle and the lyrics are daft (even for a NO song). Restless has better flow, but this is a dance song so it wins the duel for me.
Anyone know where to get this legally if you're in the EU? Can't find it anywhere, I'm going mad being stuck with the mediocre quality youtube version.
To my ears there's not a big difference between the YouTube ClipGrab rip and the NewOrder store download.Yeah Bernard's vocals are a little clearer on the official download but the YouTube rip is pretty good i think.But maybe i'm going deaf.
Really loving plastic, far better than the live versions on you tube, but that may be sound quality.
However, the song "dropped" on Tuesday and was available on itunes on Wednesday, yet despite preordering the album from the mute store the instant grat only came through friday. Surely there should be some advantage for pre ordering direct.
Im wondering when the download for full album will come through now. Hoping for midnight thursday/friday but if not may be listening to it on apple music before it comes through, which would be a shame. Anyone else staying up for it thursday?
pmep100 wrote: Really loving plastic, far better than the live versions on you tube, but that may be sound quality.
However, the song "dropped" on Tuesday and was available on itunes on Wednesday, yet despite preordering the album from the mute store the instant grat only came through friday. Surely there should be some advantage for pre ordering direct.
Im wondering when the download for full album will come through now. Hoping for midnight thursday/friday but if not may be listening to it on apple music before it comes through, which would be a shame. Anyone else staying up for it thursday?
my download of plastic hasn't arrived yet from the neworder/mute store so i doubt i'll be staying up till midnight
i've emailed them but no reply yet
pmep100 wrote: Really loving plastic, far better than the live versions on you tube, but that may be sound quality.
However, the song "dropped" on Tuesday and was available on itunes on Wednesday, yet despite preordering the album from the mute store the instant grat only came through friday. Surely there should be some advantage for pre ordering direct.
Im wondering when the download for full album will come through now. Hoping for midnight thursday/friday but if not may be listening to it on apple music before it comes through, which would be a shame. Anyone else staying up for it thursday?
I'm thinking about staying up til midnight on Thursday yes.I said earlier in this thread or maybe another one that i wonder if it may become available in iTunes at midnight long before the NewOrder store download is put up (in the morning?) but i haven't pre ordered in iTunes but i forgot but realise now that you mention it that it may be available to stream in iTunes from midnight.
