Remixes YAWN

Why does everyone get so Giddy about remixes? They are nothing to do with New Order, some twat takes a song that New Order wrote and how they wanted it to sound (their song) and fucks about with it and adds 20 seconds and the world goes mad. SAD SAD SAD.

When is the Fluffy Woofy Duffy Muffy flash clean wipe remix of the game coming out i hear it is a whopping 1 second longer than how New Order wanted it to sound ?

I hear it comes as a limited edition sleeve in blue vinyl and costs a fortune.... where do i sign up?

Digital Mike Binoche wrote: Why does everyone get so Giddy about remixes? They are nothing to do with New Order, some twat takes a song that New Order wrote and how they wanted it to sound (their song) and fucks about with it and adds 20 seconds and the world goes mad. SAD SAD SAD.

When is the Fluffy Woofy Duffy Muffy flash clean wipe remix of the game coming out i hear it is a whopping 1 second longer than how New Order wanted it to sound ?

I hear it comes as a limited edition sleeve in blue vinyl and costs a fortune.... where do i sign up?

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This topic is like diarrhea, it runs and runs. I had the bad luck to be a completist in the mid-90s and some of the shitty remixes I spent beer and porn money on... The nadir for me were those 1963 Lionrock mixes - 100% Lionrock and 0% 1963. The worst mixes are ones that are too similar to the originals to warrant purchase ('94) or too different to please the fans (Rest Of). There have been some successful ones - Spooky-Stadium, World-Perfecto, Pineapple Face-can't fucking remember - but I really can't be arsed these days. Youtube's a free-for-all anyway and I just don't have the space, money or interest.

Have you seen the running length of the forthcoming Richard X mix of Tutti Frutti? It's about a bloody fortnight. Jesus wept.

EDIt - Sorry, not Richard X, it's by Hot Chip. I don't want to start the anoraks scouring the tinterweb for a non-existent remix.

I generally prefer extended mixes to full on remixes. More of what you enjoyed I the first place & less 'outsider padding'. (Round & Round Kevin Sanderson 12" & Run2 12" being fine examples.)

This is why the idea of producing extended mixes or all 11 tracks is an absolute winner to me - (if only I didn't have to purchase the redundant vinyl.....zzz...yawn, I know...)

What's wrong with people enjoying them? To each his own.

Digital Mike Binoche wrote: Why does everyone get so Giddy about remixes? They are nothing to do with New Order, some twat takes a song that New Order wrote and how they wanted it to sound (their song) and fucks about with it and adds 20 seconds and the world goes mad. SAD SAD SAD.

When is the Fluffy Woofy Duffy Muffy flash clean wipe remix of the game coming out i hear it is a whopping 1 second longer than how New Order wanted it to sound ?

I hear it comes as a limited edition sleeve in blue vinyl and costs a fortune.... where do i sign up?

Boringly obvious contrary opinion...yawn.

Apparently there's a Robert Hood remix of Tutti Frutti looming?

That should at least be decent.

A Robert Hood mix of Tutti Frutti!? Is this true!?

VanGelder wrote: A Robert Hood mix of Tutti Frutti!? Is this true!?

Are you calling Al a liar?

Some remixes are enjoyable if they stay true to the spirit of the song; although they are really boring if too like the original. When people used to go out and buy physical CD singles, remixes had a place as good value; especially before they brought in that law on the maximum length of time for a single. My favourite remix out of any artist, I think, is Ruined in a Day by K-Klass - there's something special about that one...

In a similar vain, I don't see the point of live recordings. I never feel like I'm there. The New Order ones are usually ropey anyway - but that's probably preferential to artists who sound almost the same live...

NO Fan wrote: Some remixes are enjoyable if they stay true to the spirit of the song; although they are really boring if too like the original. When people used to go out and buy physical CD singles, remixes had a place as good value; especially before they brought in that law on the maximum length of time for a single. My favourite remix out of any artist, I think, is Ruined in a Day by K-Klass - there's something special about that one...

In a similar vain, I don't see the point of live recordings. I never feel like I'm there. The New Order ones are usually ropey anyway - but that's probably preferential to artists who sound almost the same live...

I believe you meant "vein". As in "I once bit into a hot dog and found a vein in it."

One of the appealing aspects of live recordings is shared with remixes: A fresh take on a song with which you've become familiar. For instance, I'm becoming wary of listening to Music Complete too much and don't want to get burnt out.

There's been some great remixes but a hell of a lot of crap ones. Loved the Pettibone mixes of True Faith back in the day - remember them coming out about a month after and giving the song an incredible new take and new lease of life. Regret - Fire Island, Ruined In Day -K Klass, World - Perfecto all great. Lee Coombs remix of Crystal was well worth the effort. Also Felix Da Housecat's take on Here To Stay ,though that like a few others I liked the music regardless of if it was a remix of a NO track; same with some of the Restless remixes, I'd probably listen to the track and like it even if it wasn't a NO remix. The Agoria mix is maybe even ruined a bit by having Bernard's vocals on it! There's a few like that.I don't think a song like Restless should be remixed, I mean it's not really a dance/ club track I n the first place is it.

Oh and a few of the Krafty mixes were great - Gilmmers and the Morel's Pink Noise Vocal.

Blue Monday 95 Hardfloor mix was a little pointless and that mix of BLT on the Rest Of compilation ( can't recall who did it) - think I must have only listened to it twice ever .

So in summary- some NO remixes are brilliant some not. Like the poster earlier said though, this old discussion is like dihoreah ( can never spell that word right)

Andy wrote:

I believe you meant "vein". As in "I once bit into a hot dog and found a vein in it."

Thanks, I don't like using the wrong word.

If people don't like remixes, then fair enough, don't listen. Simples.

The idea that it's just NO on the album is a little simplistic though. The word remixer can often be interchanged with producer. Look at at what Hague did with the original version of True Faith. We think of that as New Order but undoubtedly Hague had a hand in the final sound of the track.

Go back further; look at Hannet. Was that just Joy Division or did Hannett put his own stamp on the sound? Course he did. So if that wasn't just JD, perhaps we should only listen to the live bootlegs in order to get just the band?

If I remember corectly New Order were quite taken with dance music from New York in the early 80's. They worked with Arthur Baker who undoubtedly had a hand in the sound of Confusion. Maybe that's not New Order then. Just listen to the albums right?

On the current album there are various people involved with a number of tracks. Maybe we should skip those, as they're not just New Order.

I happen to think that the coming together of Hot Chip and New Order is a good thing and improves on the original track. But if you don't want it, just ignore it.

Debaser wrote: If people don't like remixes, then fair enough, don't listen. Simples.

The idea that it's just NO on the album is a little simplistic though. The word remixer can often be interchanged with producer. Look at at what Hague did with the original version of True Faith. We think of that as New Order but undoubtedly Hague had a hand in the final sound of the track.

Go back further; look at Hannet. Was that just Joy Division or did Hannett put his own stamp on the sound? Course he did. So if that wasn't just JD, perhaps we should only listen to the live bootlegs in order to get just the band?

If I remember corectly New Order were quite taken with dance music from New York in the early 80's. They worked with Arthur Baker who undoubtedly had a hand in the sound of Confusion. Maybe that's not New Order then. Just listen to the albums right?

On the current album there are various people involved with a number of tracks. Maybe we should skip those, as they're not just New Order.

I happen to think that the coming together of Hot Chip and New Order is a good thing and improves on the original track. But if you don't want it, just ignore it.

I think the difference is the artist and producer (and whoever else) are working together to produce a product that they agree is the record, whereas remixes are post hoc...

Just cos they're post hoc doesn't mean they have nothing to offer though.

NO Fan wrote:

Debaser wrote: If people don't like remixes, then fair enough, don't listen. Simples.

The idea that it's just NO on the album is a little simplistic though. The word remixer can often be interchanged with producer. Look at at what Hague did with the original version of True Faith. We think of that as New Order but undoubtedly Hague had a hand in the final sound of the track.

Go back further; look at Hannet. Was that just Joy Division or did Hannett put his own stamp on the sound? Course he did. So if that wasn't just JD, perhaps we should only listen to the live bootlegs in order to get just the band?

If I remember corectly New Order were quite taken with dance music from New York in the early 80's. They worked with Arthur Baker who undoubtedly had a hand in the sound of Confusion. Maybe that's not New Order then. Just listen to the albums right?

On the current album there are various people involved with a number of tracks. Maybe we should skip those, as they're not just New Order.

I happen to think that the coming together of Hot Chip and New Order is a good thing and improves on the original track. But if you don't want it, just ignore it.

I think the difference is the artist and producer (and whoever else) are working together to produce a product that they agree is the record, whereas remixes are post hoc...

Good point ... but how many remixes must there be.... looks like they exploit the collector in people .. only my view

El Jarvo wrote: Apparently there's a Robert Hood remix of Tutti Frutti looming?

That should at least be decent.

I second that, great track maker. Be nice to wheel out some other Detroit legends. An underground resistance mix would be my choice. They were Kraftwerks choice of remixer for expo 2000. No betterdetroit label than UR

Digital Mike Binoche wrote:

NO Fan wrote:

Debaser wrote: If people don't like remixes, then fair enough, don't listen. Simples.

The idea that it's just NO on the album is a little simplistic though. The word remixer can often be interchanged with producer. Look at at what Hague did with the original version of True Faith. We think of that as New Order but undoubtedly Hague had a hand in the final sound of the track.

Go back further; look at Hannet. Was that just Joy Division or did Hannett put his own stamp on the sound? Course he did. So if that wasn't just JD, perhaps we should only listen to the live bootlegs in order to get just the band?

If I remember corectly New Order were quite taken with dance music from New York in the early 80's. They worked with Arthur Baker who undoubtedly had a hand in the sound of Confusion. Maybe that's not New Order then. Just listen to the albums right?

On the current album there are various people involved with a number of tracks. Maybe we should skip those, as they're not just New Order.

I happen to think that the coming together of Hot Chip and New Order is a good thing and improves on the original track. But if you don't want it, just ignore it.

I think the difference is the artist and producer (and whoever else) are working together to produce a product that they agree is the record, whereas remixes are post hoc...

Good point ... but how many remixes must there be.... looks like they exploit the collector in people .. only my view

Take your point about Hannett, personally I am a fan of the live gigs, always thought the albums lacked something, but live WOW, however MUSIC COMPLETE best production of a new order album ever and not a bad song

Digital Mike Binoche wrote: Good point ... but how many remixes must there be.... looks like they exploit the collector in people .. only my view

I wouldn't really say that. Much like how a "single edit" serves the purpose of trimming down a song short enough to be played on the radio, the main purpose of a remix is to get the song out into a club environment. If people hear the remix in a club, it acts as an advertisement for both the album and single. No one is being exploited since there's the choice not to buy any additional remixes you don't want. No one is any less of a fan for just owning the main albums. It's all about what you chose to enjoy.

Some are great, some otherwise, but I have to confess that some I like equally to or eventually even more than the original or album version. (e.g. the Tom Neville of Jetstream, Biff and Memphis Touched, Supermen Lovers 60 mph, Someone Like You Funk d’void, Pump Panel Reconstruction of Confusion, a couple of the World ones, the b side of World in Motion, which is a bit crackly at the start since it’s from a tape of the vinyl, Blue Monday Hardfloor, Armand Van Helden BLT, etc… ) Though of course I would not be without the originals.

I love a lot of the Factory era remixes because virtually all of them did something to expand upon the original song. Once they moved to London Records, it was almost like 75% of the remixes ended up being a new song entirely with just the vocals a few bass lines dropped in. Lest us forget all those Sly & Robbie "Ruined in a Day" mixes... lawd have mercy.

When I was a proud owner of a turntable and cassette recorder I could edit out vocals I didn't like. my remixes satisfied no one, but me. If someone could remix superheated by editing Justin fllowers out of the last verses and make Bernard bleat them I would not mind . Meanwhile superheated is relegated to a playlist of songs featuring Bernard and somebody else. Apologies to flowers fans , yes , I know he was cute in the crystal video, but new order songs should have Minimized time for invited guests. Except Iggy of course . one more thing -- anyone know how many different ladies sing on neworder or electronic songs? and I think Gillian could have sung more backing , as she can sing as well as the numerous invited ladies

keepitcoming wrote: one more thing -- anyone know how many different ladies sing on neworder or electronic songs? and I think Gillian could have sung more backing , as she can sing as well as the numerous invited ladies

The singer Rowetta did most of the backup singing on the Electronic albums. She also did some stuff with Peter Hook & The Light and also does backup vocals on two of the new MC tracks (Plastic & Nothing but a Fool).

Moderne Decay wrote:

keepitcoming wrote: one more thing -- anyone know how many different ladies sing on neworder or electronic songs? and I think Gillian could have sung more backing , as she can sing as well as the numerous invited ladies

The singer Rowetta did most of the backup singing on the Electronic albums. She also did some stuff with Peter Hook & The Light and also does backup vocals on two of the new MC tracks (Plastic & Nothing but a Fool).

Don't think she's been anywhere near Electronic. You're probably thinking of Denise Johnson. Denise and Dawn Zee are the backing vocalists on Music Complete (Elly Jackson credited more as "guest vocalist" along with Iggy and Brandon). Elly is not on Plastic, that's an error in the LP credits.

Rowetta is best known for work with Happy Mondays and I don't think she'll appear on any New Order material, considering her work with The Light.

keepitcoming wrote: and I think Gillian could have sung more backing , as she can sing as well as the numerous invited ladies

Although this is steering off topic, I agree they may as well have saved some money and utilised Gillian's singing on some of the tracks. Gillian has said in a recent interview that she's sang lead on a track which hasn't come out yet. Could this be the return of The Other Two, or will it be as New Order? Only time can tell... (did you see what I did there?)

Moderne Decay wrote: Sly & Robbie "Ruined in a Day" mixes

They were appalling... When I first expectantly put the CD on I thought it was jammed and playing the same (awful) track again and again. That cost me two porn mags, you bastards. The Factory mixes tended to be similar but extended - often they'd actually start with the 12" and edit down the 7". There was one awesome so-called 12" mix of Round and Round (not the vinyl 12") on a 3" CD - in classic NO style, this gem is now harder to find than a virgin in light entertainment, but shit like Rest Of is still available. With London the originals tended to be just a pretext for some over-paid DJ hack to indulge its ego at the song's (and fans') expense. I'd be interested to know how far (if at all) the band was actually involved in 'The Rest Of'.

Digital Mike Binoche wrote:

Good point ... but how many remixes must there be.... looks like they exploit the collector in people .. only my view

Well, yeah. Most of it is just marketing. In '93 Steve himself said B-sides were usually rejects or dubs cos they couldn't be arsed to do something worthwhile, and it was a shame '1963' was just a B-side (yes I know 1995 etc). One of the reasons I stopped being a completist was because I was bored of rehashes, compilations etc. Re: Gillian singing - she did sing a track recently but not for the album.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: There was one awesome so-called 12" mix of Round and Round (not the vinyl 12") on a 3" CD - in classic NO style, this gem is now harder to find than a virgin in light entertainment

Seventeen for sale from £5.83

People keep mentioning the recent Gillian sung track… but it wasn't a New Order track… it was a Koshi & Hush track.

I think New Order are REALLY missing out not using Gillian's voice more. Crazy! A wasted asset.

Right, I'm off to listen to Procession…

Also… next I listened to Doubts Even Here… a real shame that New Order ever chose to have just “one” vocalist at all. Should have made more use of both Gillian and Hooky.

Remixes: you don't have to listen to them, some are great, some okay, many pointless… some are absolute classics I would't want to do with out. So far, the Hot Chip mix is the only one from this period that I'll be listening to lots, although the RAC one is pretty good.

Spittingcat wrote: Also… next I listened to Doubts Even Here… a real shame that New Order ever chose to have just “one” vocalist at all. Should have made more use of both Gillian and Hooky.

I was in a band where the four of us all took turns on singing lead. For this reason our album didn't stick together right. I prefer one main voice on a record. Hook did do some backing in New Order, which I think is as far as it should have gone. IMO, he murdered a good song: Dreams Never End.

NO Fan wrote:

I was in a band where the four of us all took turns on singing lead. For this reason our album didn't stick together right. I prefer one main voice on a record.

If only you'd been around to tell the Beatles and Abba where they were going wrong…

Right, I'm off to listen to My Bloody Valentine, Pink Floyd, Spacemen3, Sonic Youth, Jesus and Mary Chain, The Cribs, Beach Boys, Beautiful South, Depeche Mode… and lots of other bands who might have made something worth listening to if only they just had one singer…

I've changed my mind… I'm going to listen to Monaco and Bad Lieutenant instead…

Spittingcat wrote:

NO Fan wrote:

I was in a band where the four of us all took turns on singing lead. For this reason our album didn't stick together right. I prefer one main voice on a record.

If only you'd been around to tell the Beatles and Abba where they were going wrong…

Right, I'm off to listen to My Bloody Valentine, Pink Floyd, Spacemen3, Sonic Youth, Jesus and Mary Chain, The Cribs, Beach Boys, Beautiful South, Depeche Mode… and lots of other bands who might have made something worth listening to if only they just had one singer…

It's just my opinion, formed through personal experience, as I made clear in the part of my post you actually quoted! The only one of the artists I like off your list is Depeche Mode. They are are a different case, as Dave Gahan is the lead singer for most of time, and Gore sings on average, a couple of tracks - so they do have a lead singer.

Gillian singing "one or two" songs, and Barney singing on all the songs, would do me fine. New Order are clearly happy for other people to sing on their recent albums… at least on this one the additional singers add rather than subtract from the overall effect! Anyway, my point stands, they should have made more of using Gillian (and in the past. Hooky) on vocals… that doesn't stop Barney being the “lead singer”, and nor should it.

keepitcoming wrote: ............ If someone could remix superheated by editing Justin fllowers out of the last verses and make Bernard bleat them I would not mind . Meanwhile superheated is relegated to a playlist of songs featuring Bernard and somebody else. Apologies to flowers fans , yes , I know he was cute in the crystal video,.......

It's Brandon Flowers, not Justin (timberlake)...hahah

Btw, I think one of Brandon's assets is his pair of lungs....he got a decent powered voice, IMO, it even rivals Freddie Mercury.

The Killer's 'Sam's Town' tour concerts were the best I've ever experienced. It was sooo good on first night that I forced my missus to come along for the second gig on the next night

Though their cover of Shadowplay was pretty crap 💀

Spittingcat wrote: People keep mentioning the recent Gillian sung track… but it wasn't a New Order track… it was a Koshi & Hush track.

I don't know for sure but I think there might be more than one track she has done vocals for.

Back in 2012 Gillian tweeted about doing a vocal for a "ravie-ish tune" with "Alex Hush" as I think she put it at the time (I'm not inclined to scroll back that far through her tweets). Then in November 2014 she tweeted this:

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Could be two different things...

ps I realised at some point last year that Koishi & Hush had a "contact us" section on their website, so I politely asked if it was them, and if so what could they tell me about the track. I got this email reply back from MNGMT: "The guys are being cagey about this so we will have to wait and see. Wish I could have been more help and once they let me know more I will pass it on". Never heard any more.

Debaser wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: There was one awesome so-called 12" mix of Round and Round (not the vinyl 12") on a 3" CD - in classic NO style, this gem is now harder to find than a virgin in light entertainment

Seventeen for sale from £5.83

19.58 - 19.59 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0GHgdG7EEw

Of course different remixes are made for different reasons. A lot of time for the dance floor in DJ sets, but other times for personal use and some personal reasons we'll never know. I love remixes. Sometimes a mix needs more song elements left in, and sometimes the vocals themselves stand apart. And sometimes its the remixer themselves. I'm a big RAC fan and know his sound, and I was very happy with his remix. I love me some Richard X so almost anything he does can go on and on and i'll be happy. NIN - Only and DM- Enjoy the Silence being a few.

As far as completionism goes - these days its not worth trying. There are so many mixes out there because the stems are leaked more, or when an artists mix does not get chosen it will often be leaked eventually. Where does the line end?

For those less likely to visit Music for Pleasure, Koishi & Hush was also mentioned in this thread...

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Incidentally re: my reply #41 above, Koishi & Hush have just replied to my old email. Nice of them to remember. Alas my hopes that there were two tracks are gone; both Gillian's 2012 & 2014 tweets referred to this track.