Info on the forthcoming (updated) Singles release

Apologies of this has been posted earlier. Sounds nice so far... _

New Order: Singles

Quadruple Vinyl Album Remastered Version

The box contains: four 180g vinyls, printed inner bags and a 12x12 printed artwork insert housed in a rigid lift-top box with a gold foil leaf design on the cover

9 September 2016

0825646069620 0825646069620 Warner Records 90 (UK) _

Link info: http://petersaville.info/sleeves/2010-2016.html

Wouldn't you think they'd do a deal with Mute and have a Singles album with the singles from Music Complete on it?

Ken Doherty wrote:

Wouldn't you think they'd do a deal with Mute and have a Singles album with the singles from Music Complete on it?

Imagine trying to get a compilation with both pre and post Hooky departure singles past the man himself. No way he'd agree to that.

Is this the promo that Kevin Cummins tweeted?

https://twitter.com/KCMANC/status/770562735276957697

A second disk of non-singles, obscurities and cover versions? Has that instrumental of WFTSC ever been released elsewhere?

Special!

GotBlueEyes wrote: Is this the promo that Kevin Cummins tweeted?

https://twitter.com/KCMANC/status/770562735276957697

A second disk of non-singles, obscurities and cover versions? Has that instrumental of WFTSC ever been released elsewhere?

That has nothing to do with Singles, I don't think there are any promos for the new Singles release.

So any ideas what it is?

He clearly said it was a "new promo"

It looks lovely!

GotBlueEyes wrote:

It looks lovely!

So do the Spice Girls. Don't have to buy the CD. They can't have a definitive Singles collection up to MC cos:

1. Hooky.
2. If they finally manage it, they can't have another 6386 shit ones and would lose money, publicity and a couple of whores.
3. If they finally manage it, fans on this forum would have nothing to talk about in the 876390 years between releases and couldn't get a boner every time something '''''new''''' is announced. Petition at Change.org: Fuck off Michael, WE WANT OUR BONERS.

GotBlueEyes wrote: So any ideas what it is?

He clearly said it was a "new promo"

It looks lovely!

I think it's a publisher's promo, like this Joy Division one: Discogs entry

Hence the rather strange selection of tracks (and remixes tacked on the end).

Hardly anyone will get these, Kevin will have got one because they've used his photos.

Singles LP box is in the house.

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Just as you'd expect really.

The 4x LPs are sleeved in blue leaf design with the original track notes on the reverse. There's the same Dave Quantick liner notes on the back of a vintage band image.

Download code included.

This old pedant was wondering whether anyone else had noticed the misplaced title on side seven and the omission of the title of 1963 on side 5.

It's been a long week!

depthcharge wrote: Singles LP box is in the house.

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Just as you'd expect really.

The 4x LPs are sleeved in blue leaf design with the original track notes on the reverse. There's the same Dave Quantick liner notes on the back of a vintage band image.

Download code included.

???? The same liner notes? The ones that describe WFTSC as New Order's latest album? Ugh. They could have at least tagged on a new paragraph at the end. I was hoping for a creative explanation of how I'll Stay With You qualifies as a "single."

Welllll.... if i spot the vinyl box set when i'm in HMV tomorrow i might buy it. From depthcharge's photo i like the blue sleeves for the x4 vinyls and i've always liked that vintage photo (circa 1989 is it? ) We'll see tomorrow if i feel like departing with £40 (+?)

NotAMod wrote: The vinyl box-set's £59.99 new from most retailers.

Really ? Oh fuck that then.Like Mr Monkhouse might have or did say they should send the new version out to all those that bought the original Singles in 2005 in compensation for that version being a pile of poo. Jeez where do these fuckers get off?

£44.99 + a fiver postage from NewOrderStore.

They sent out an email today and I honestly thought the NME quote said "pointless" rather than "peerless" when I glanced at it.

I'm guessing that the CD will be about five quid on Amazon in a few months time.

I hope close range and special are longer and even more wonderful, and maybe there are French horns oboes and mellotrons on some of the instrumentals.and maybe some electronic songs could be grafted into disc #14- feel every beat, warning sign , flicker, some distant memory, prodigal son, late at night, make it happen, etc. And a longer version of such a good thing, and recoil, sabotage, California grass , and transmission in French and Navajo, please, and more lost sirens, that's it.

keepitcoming wrote: I hope close range and special are longer and even more wonderful, and maybe there are French horns oboes and mellotrons on some of the instrumentals.and maybe some electronic songs could be grafted into disc #14- feel every beat, warning sign , flicker, some distant memory, prodigal son, late at night, make it happen, etc. And a longer version of such a good thing, and recoil, sabotage, California grass , and transmission in French and Navajo, please, and more lost sirens, that's it.

Reluctant commuter wrote: This old pedant was wondering whether anyone else had noticed the misplaced title on side seven and the omission of the title of 1963 on side 5.

It's been a long week!

Annoying, it wasn't like that on the PDF proofs. Something went wrong at manufacture I guess.

keepitcoming wrote: I hope close range and special are longer and even more wonderful, and maybe there are French horns oboes and mellotrons on some of the instrumentals.and maybe some electronic songs could be grafted into disc #14- feel every beat, warning sign , flicker, some distant memory, prodigal son, late at night, make it happen, etc. And a longer version of such a good thing, and recoil, sabotage, California grass , and transmission in French and Navajo, please, and more lost sirens, that's it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW7skJLjTJY

I like this little promo advert thingy. Anyone remember the floaty leaf they used to promote Singles the first time around? That was really nice.

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^ Don't remember a floaty leaf promo thing for the original Singles but i distinctly remember a tv advert for it.Saw it a couple of times, seem to recall it was brief clips from the Regret video but overlayed with a few audio snippets of various New Order hits like True Faith etc

Saw the CD in HMV today for £14.Didn't see the vinyl box set though.But anyway, i didn't buy.Maybe when the CD is reduced in price in a few months time.

morgan1098 wrote:

???? The same liner notes? The ones that describe WFTSC as New Order's latest album? Ugh. They could have at least tagged on a new paragraph at the end. I was hoping for a creative explanation of how I'll Stay With You qualifies as a "single."

Yeah one and the same, sadly. But did anyone really expect them to go to any effort to freshen this stuff up? Their track record with box sets and compilations is sloppy to say that least.

Imagine a day when a New Order label actually consults some hardcore fans before throwing together another compilation. Free expertise and error correction.

depthcharge wrote:

morgan1098 wrote:

???? The same liner notes? The ones that describe WFTSC as New Order's latest album? Ugh. They could have at least tagged on a new paragraph at the end. I was hoping for a creative explanation of how I'll Stay With You qualifies as a "single."

Yeah one and the same, sadly. But did anyone really expect them to go to any effort to freshen this stuff up? Their track record with box sets and compilations is sloppy to say that least.

Do you really need the text in the booklet changing too? Really? It's correct for the time that the release was originally compiled, it's not meant to be a a 'new' thing.

Imagine a day when a New Order label actually consults some hardcore fans before throwing together another compilation. Free expertise and error correction.

It's happened.

NotAMod wrote: The Perfect Kiss appears to be the original 7" edit as opposed to the slightly longer/alternate one we got on Total.

...Meaning the actual UK seven inch version (3:51) remains unreleased on CD still - the 4:23 version was a promo.

Granted, the 3:51 version was a bit of a strange edit, so I can see why they put that 7" version on there.

The vinyl is beautifully packaged and worth the money. All tracks sounding great. Nice to have this on vinyl. No complaints here.

Looking forward to the new album 2020😜

When they started plugging this a few week ago I went to play the original release...for the first time I should add...and the first cd is blank

I haven't received the CD from the New Order store yet, but 'Spooky' is the 'Republic' album version on the Spotify version of the remastered 'Singles', despite being labelled as the (Fluke) 'Minimix'. Is this the case on the LP/CD? Another tracklisting balls up?

Mr Discography wrote: I haven't received the CD from the New Order store yet, but 'Spooky' is the 'Republic' album version on the Spotify version of the remastered 'Singles', despite being labelled as the (Fluke) 'Minimix'. Is this the case on the LP/CD? Another tracklisting balls up?

The CD/LP has the Minimix. It was a late change so I guess someone messed up the digital.

Let the fuck ups begin. How to review a New Order album:

1. Listen to each song in isolation and make detailed notes on their initial impact; then, deadlines permitting, repeat a week later. Do the tracks grow steadily with each visit, or are they already wearing thin?
2. Pay particular attention to the lyrics, the 'soul' of each piece. Pinpoint if there are any cultural or historical references: if so, evaluate whether they are universalised or mere fads, which may hence seem trite after years or even months.
3. Do any songs seem to come particularly 'from the heart'? Then research the composer's personal environment at the time of writing. You can also use social networks to contact friends, business colleagues or even band members themselves. Do be discreet though: bear in mind that unless you can lavish Rolling-Stone-esque publicity and currency, you're unlikely to be their first port of call!
4. Try to remove the vocal track and objectively analyse the music itself. Maybe you locate a band trade mark or the influence of current trends: remember that the best bands are both 'a part of' yet 'apart from' the mainstream.
5. Order your thoughts into a coherent whole with a succinct introduction, detailed 'main body' and brief but satisfying conclusion; then print onto a single, double spaced A4 sheet of paper.
6. Roll up the piece of paper and shove it up your arse and write, OMG, New Order are AWESOME, they're AWESOME and I love them, they're so AWESOME, I mean HELLO? I mean I like ONLY GREW UP WITH THESE GUYS, they are MY BAND and they're AWESOME.

Johnny James wrote:

Do you really need the text in the booklet changing too? Really? It's correct for the time that the release was originally compiled, it's not meant to be a a 'new' thing.

Not "needed" but would've been a nice touch at minimal effort. They went to the trouble of updating and adding tracks, so it is now somewhat of a "new" thing. The liner notes end with talk of WFTSC; the tracks now end at Lost Sirens.

depthcharge wrote:

Imagine a day when a New Order label actually consults some hardcore fans before throwing together another compilation. Free expertise and error correction.

Johnny James wrote:

It's happened.

Do you care to elaborate? I've lost track - and interest - of the endless errors made on endless compilations over the years. Who can lay claim to what?

Seriously impressed with the sound on vinyl...wow!

My only criticism so far is some dodgy typesetting on the credits...Here to Stay and 1963, sorry, Nineteen63 seem to have gone walkies. Doesn't anyone proof these things?

But in the scheme of NO compilation fuckups that's a small price to pay ;)

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Let the fuck ups begin. How to review a New Order album:

1. Listen to each song in isolation and make detailed notes on their initial impact; then, deadlines permitting, repeat a week later. Do the tracks grow steadily with each visit, or are they already wearing thin?
2. Pay particular attention to the lyrics, the 'soul' of each piece. Pinpoint if there are any cultural or historical references: if so, evaluate whether they are universalised or mere fads, which may hence seem trite after years or even months.
3. Do any songs seem to come particularly 'from the heart'? Then research the composer's personal environment at the time of writing. You can also use social networks to contact friends, business colleagues or even band members themselves. Do be discreet though: bear in mind that unless you can lavish Rolling-Stone-esque publicity and currency, you're unlikely to be their first port of call!
4. Try to remove the vocal track and objectively analyse the music itself. Maybe you locate a band trade mark or the influence of current trends: remember that the best bands are both 'a part of' yet 'apart from' the mainstream.
5. Order your thoughts into a coherent whole with a succinct introduction, detailed 'main body' and brief but satisfying conclusion; then print onto a single, double spaced A4 sheet of paper.
6. Roll up the piece of paper and shove it up your arse and write, OMG, New Order are AWESOME, they're AWESOME and I love them, they're so AWESOME, I mean HELLO? I mean I like ONLY GREW UP WITH THESE GUYS, they are MY BAND and they're AWESOME.

What about mentioning dead singers and how often it rains in Manchester?

The newly remastered version is infinitely superior to the original release, so I honestly hate to nitpick, but...

On the US CD edition, there is a brief bit of distortion at 00:18 on "World (The Price Of Love)." It's also present on the Spotify stream.

Can someone please confirm if this glitch is also present on the UK/EU CD?

Given that the radio edit of "World" is available elsewhere, it's not a deal breaker. However, it's a bit peculiar that a selection from the London era has an audible issue, as opposed to a track from the poorly maintained Factory archives.

Shelf wrote: The newly remastered version is infinitely superior to the original release, so I honestly hate to nitpick, but...

On the US CD edition, there is a brief bit of distortion at 00:18 on "World (The Price Of Love)." It's also present on the Spotify stream.

Can someone please confirm if this glitch is also present on the UK/EU CD?

Given that the radio edit of "World" is available elsewhere, it's not a deal breaker. However, it's a bit peculiar that a selection from the London era has an audible issue, as opposed to a track from the poorly maintained Factory archives.

I can't hear anything on a rip of the UK one.

FWIW The Factory era material is all on analogue tapes and they're mostly present and correct. Analogue tape ages well if looked after and can still be transferred successfully.

On the other hand, the early London material is mostly on DAT, which has quality limitations and is prone to be unplayable.

Shelf wrote: The newly remastered version is infinitely superior to the original release, so I honestly hate to nitpick, but...

On the US CD edition, there is a brief bit of distortion at 00:18 on "World (The Price Of Love)." It's also present on the Spotify stream.

Can someone please confirm if this glitch is also present on the UK/EU CD?

Given that the radio edit of "World" is available elsewhere, it's not a deal breaker. However, it's a bit peculiar that a selection from the London era has an audible issue, as opposed to a track from the poorly maintained Factory archives.

Yes, it's also present.

I'm getting old - I caught myself preferring CD2 to CD1.

Coops wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Let the fuck ups begin. How to review a New Order album:

1. Listen to each song in isolation and make detailed notes on their initial impact; then, deadlines permitting, repeat a week later. Do the tracks grow steadily with each visit, or are they already wearing thin?
2. Pay particular attention to the lyrics, the 'soul' of each piece. Pinpoint if there are any cultural or historical references: if so, evaluate whether they are universalised or mere fads, which may hence seem trite after years or even months.
3. Do any songs seem to come particularly 'from the heart'? Then research the composer's personal environment at the time of writing. You can also use social networks to contact friends, business colleagues or even band members themselves. Do be discreet though: bear in mind that unless you can lavish Rolling-Stone-esque publicity and currency, you're unlikely to be their first port of call!
4. Try to remove the vocal track and objectively analyse the music itself. Maybe you locate a band trade mark or the influence of current trends: remember that the best bands are both 'a part of' yet 'apart from' the mainstream.
5. Order your thoughts into a coherent whole with a succinct introduction, detailed 'main body' and brief but satisfying conclusion; then print onto a single, double spaced A4 sheet of paper.
6. Roll up the piece of paper and shove it up your arse and write, OMG, New Order are AWESOME, they're AWESOME and I love them, they're so AWESOME, I mean HELLO? I mean I like ONLY GREW UP WITH THESE GUYS, they are MY BAND and they're AWESOME.

What about mentioning dead singers and how often it rains in Manchester?

The Curtis reference always cracks me up too. It's been 638063 years - do you think there's still a fan who doesn't know about it? Strange they never introduce Hooky as the brains behind Revenge, or Steve as co-Genius behind Night Voice.

Johnny James wrote: I can't hear anything on a rip of the UK one.

FWIW The Factory era material is all on analogue tapes and they're mostly present and correct. Analogue tape ages well if looked after and can still be transferred successfully.

On the other hand, the early London material is mostly on DAT, which has quality limitations and is prone to be unplayable.

Fascinating - I would have expected the opposite.

When working with Factory master tapes, I would expect the key factor to consider is "if well looked after." Although James Nice at LTM has made a cottage industry out of preserving that back catalog.

Listened to disc 1 on my commute today. 'The Perfect Kiss' is not the UK or FBN/promo seven inch version, nor the alternate seven inch mix from 'Total', but yet another variant. Listen carefully for the wobble at 0:02 (first chord after the four beat intro - also present on the 'Total' version, but not on the original seven inch). Also, at 2:06, the (much discussed) "Wh...." aborted attack from the "When you area alone at night" line present in the 'Low-Life', 'Total' and 7" edits is absent. So this version has either been created just for this compilation, or was an alternate edit from way back, incorrectly sourced for this compilation.

The promo (FBN) original seven inch was essentially the 'Low-Life' edit with the intro bongos + drum fill and four bars after both choruses edited out. And it still remains unreleased on CD - along with the actual, 3:51 UK seven inch version, of course!

All other versions on disc 1 are the correct, original seven inch mixes ('Blue Monday' excepted of course). So, not a bad attempt to correct this collection, but no cigar. They really should run their pre-masters past us fans (i.e. me) first for proper quality control!

My comments on disc 2 to follow after tomorrow's commute!

Anyone else have trouble with the download code with the vinyl edition? Screen comes up blank, no download and of course code is expired. Someone on FB complained about the same so I'm guessing it's an issue... :(

I've no interest in re-purchasing this remastered singles collection, much as it is nice to see some care being taken with the project.

However, JJ's mentioning Spooky's Minimix caused me to dust off my old 2CD Spooky single box and have a listen to the neglected Minimix & Magimix, which I had previously largely overlooked in favour of the Stadium mix, with its extra emphasis on the Hookybass. (Oh, how times change!)

What a pleasant surprise - I think I may be including Spooky Mini/Magimix on my next playlist, so thanks for that. :-)

Played disc 2 on the cycle to work today. I can confirm that all are the correct single versions. Can also confirm the audio glitch on the left channel at 0:18 into 'World (The Price Of Love)', alas.

I have my own 7" singles playlist in my iTunes, and have updated it to include (almost) all of these new remasters, which - it has to be said - do sound very good. With the exception of:

• 'The Perfect Kiss', which I replaced with a vinyl grab of 3:51 UK 7" edit - but could also have replaced it with the FBN UK Promo Edit (which isn't the version on the remastered 'Singles', as mentioned in my earlier post above)
• 'World (The Price Of Love)', which I replaced with '(The Best Of) New Order' version
• '1963 (Arthur Baker Radio Mix)', which I thought a bit tinny on the new remaster, so I replaced it with the version from the US '(The Best Of) New Order', which has a warmer lower end to it.

I can also confirm that all tracks on the compilation have left and right channels the correct way round - unlike most on the original release which had them reversed (particularly most of the Factory singles).

So, almost a definitive collection, bar 'The Perfect Kiss' being an alternate, incorrect single edit (again); a very tiny audio glitch in 'World'; and a tinny remaster of '1963'. Naturally, I've added the four 'Music Complete' radio edits to the end of my iTunes playlist (and taken off 'Turn' and 'I'll Stay With You', which weren't singles, and 'Blue Monday' 12", which wasn't a 7" version).

But... The question is... should the definitive New Order 7" singles also include 'Guilt Is A Useless Emotion', which was a single in the US, but not in the UK..? What do you think?

Mr Discography wrote:

So, almost a definitive collection, bar 'The Perfect Kiss' being an alternate, incorrect single edit (again); a very tiny audio glitch in 'World'; and a tinny remaster of '1963'. Naturally, I've added the four 'Music Complete' radio edits to the end of my iTunes playlist (and taken off 'Turn' and 'I'll Stay With You', which weren't singles, and 'Blue Monday' 12", which wasn't a 7" version).

sure i'll stay with you was a promo: https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Ill-Stay-With-You/release/4482086

promo

But... The question is... should the definitive New Order 7" singles also include 'Guilt Is A Useless Emotion', which was a single in the US, but not in the UK..? What do you think?

sure, add it, it's a single.

also, i would, and will add the japanese 7" promo edit of blue monday (or the video edit), since they were official.

there are promo edits on here anyways, so it's no different to me.

later -1

negative1 wrote:

sure, add it, it's a single.

also, i would, and will add the japanese 7" promo edit of blue monday (or the video edit), since they were official.

there are promo edits on here anyways, so it's no different to me.

later -1

I would do, but I don't have it (I own original copies of all the others). Does anyone have any of the original 'Blue Monday' 7" edits (apart from the band)?

Mr Discography wrote: So, almost a definitive collection, bar 'The Perfect Kiss' being an alternate, incorrect single edit (again)

Recreated, but with an improved edit. Is that bad thing?

Mr Discography wrote: But... The question is... should the definitive New Order 7" singles also include 'Guilt Is A Useless Emotion', which was a single in the US, but not in the UK..? What do you think?

The nearest thing to a 7" edit was Morel's Pink Noise Radio mix. You could also argue for 'Hellbent', being that it was a promo single for 'Total'.

Also, if GIAUE should be there, so should 'Someone Like You' (also a remix only release).

Where does it end?

Mr Discography wrote:

negative1 wrote:

sure, add it, it's a single.

also, i would, and will add the japanese 7" promo edit of blue monday (or the video edit), since they were official.

there are promo edits on here anyways, so it's no different to me.

later -1

I would do, but I don't have it (I own original copies of all the others). Does anyone have any of the original 'Blue Monday' 7" edits (apart from the band)?

there are plenty of recreations.

and in fact a really good copy on the recycle bootleg:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Excerpts-From-Recycle/release/885232

3 Blue Monday (Seven Inch Edit) 4:09

recycle

later -1

Johnny James wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: So, almost a definitive collection, bar 'The Perfect Kiss' being an alternate, incorrect single edit (again)

Recreated, but with an improved edit. Is that bad thing?

Mr Discography wrote: But... The question is... should the definitive New Order 7" singles also include 'Guilt Is A Useless Emotion', which was a single in the US, but not in the UK..? What do you think?

The nearest thing to a 7" edit was Morel's Pink Noise Radio mix. You could also argue for 'Hellbent', being that it was a promo single for 'Total'.

Also, if GIAUE should be there, so should 'Someone Like You' (also a remix only release).

Where does it end?

'Perfect Kiss' isn't improved, due to the 'wobble' at 0:02. And it's not either of the two original 7" mixes. 'Hellbent' and 'I'll Stay With You' had CD-R promos sent to stations to promote 'Total' and 'Lost Sirens', but didn't have dedicated single releases commercially available - so not counted as singles. Similar to 'Plastic', which was an instant grat from 'Music Complete', but not officially a single release.

The album version of 'Guilt Is A Useless Emotion' was the lead track on its US single release, so that is the single mix as well. 'Someone Like You' was a single, but twelve inch only with solely DJ remixes, and nothing close to a single mix - so not eligible for my own 'Singles' playlist.

Didn't want a song on more than once, so sticking with 'Blue Monday 1988' instead of the original 12', as that's the most commonly available "radio edit".

Mr Discography wrote:

'Perfect Kiss' isn't improved, due to the 'wobble' at 0:02. And it's not either of the two original 7" mixes. 'Hellbent' and 'I'll Stay With You' had CD-R promos sent to stations to promote 'Total' and 'Lost Sirens', but didn't have dedicated single releases commercially available - so not counted as singles. Similar to 'Plastic', which was an instant grat from 'Music Complete', but not officially a single release.

The album version of 'Guilt Is A Useless Emotion' was the lead track on its US single release, so that is the single mix as well. 'Someone Like You' was a single, but twelve inch only with solely DJ remixes, and nothing close to a single mix - so not eligible for my own 'Singles' playlist.

Didn't want a song on more than once, so sticking with 'Blue Monday 1988' instead of the original 12', as that's the most commonly available "radio edit".

the following were 7" promo edits, and only released that way:

6 Confusion (UK 7" Promo Edt) (2015 Remastered Version) 4:09 <- german 7" promo's were also released

7 Thieves Like Us (7" Promo Edit) (2015 Remastered Version) 3:56 <- with a promo edit of 'lonesome tonight' on the b-side

yes, of course they were full 12 inch singles, but the single versions were never released properly either.

later -1

negative1 wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

'Perfect Kiss' isn't improved, due to the 'wobble' at 0:02. And it's not either of the two original 7" mixes. 'Hellbent' and 'I'll Stay With You' had CD-R promos sent to stations to promote 'Total' and 'Lost Sirens', but didn't have dedicated single releases commercially available - so not counted as singles. Similar to 'Plastic', which was an instant grat from 'Music Complete', but not officially a single release.

The album version of 'Guilt Is A Useless Emotion' was the lead track on its US single release, so that is the single mix as well. 'Someone Like You' was a single, but twelve inch only with solely DJ remixes, and nothing close to a single mix - so not eligible for my own 'Singles' playlist.

Didn't want a song on more than once, so sticking with 'Blue Monday 1988' instead of the original 12', as that's the most commonly available "radio edit".

the following were 7" promo edits, and only released that way:

6 Confusion (UK 7" Promo Edt) (2015 Remastered Version) 4:09 <- german 7" promo's were also released

7 Thieves Like Us (7" Promo Edit) (2015 Remastered Version) 3:56 <- with a promo edit of 'lonesome tonight' on the b-side

yes, of course they were full 12 inch singles, but the single versions were never released properly either.

later -1

But they had accompanying single releases, unlike 'Hellbent' and 'I'll Stay With You'. Hence their inclusion on' Singles' (and on my amended/corrected 'Singles' playlist).

NotAMod wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: 'Hellbent' and 'I'll Stay With You' had CD-R promos sent to stations to promote 'Total' and 'Lost Sirens', but didn't have dedicated single releases commercially available - so not counted as singles. Similar to 'Plastic', which was an instant grat from 'Music Complete', but not officially a single release.

For me 'Hellbent' was a more natural choice for the new Singles compilation over 'I'll Stay With You' purely because the latter is just the bog standard album version whereas the former was completely remixed into - arguably - a single/radio version back in 2011. 'Plastic' was simply the album mix, released as a 'key digital track' to promote the LP so I wouldn't have included it. Hellbent had at least two promo CDs so if this were the 90s or early naughties then it almost certainly would have been put out as a single to promote Total. Even the back of the UK Hellbent promo says "Single street date June 27th":

Hellbent

I only recall the one version of 'Hellbent' - where is the radio mix/edit available? What's is running time?

Mr Discography wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: 'Hellbent' and 'I'll Stay With You' had CD-R promos sent to stations to promote 'Total' and 'Lost Sirens', but didn't have dedicated single releases commercially available - so not counted as singles. Similar to 'Plastic', which was an instant grat from 'Music Complete', but not officially a single release.

For me 'Hellbent' was a more natural choice for the new Singles compilation over 'I'll Stay With You' purely because the latter is just the bog standard album version whereas the former was completely remixed into - arguably - a single/radio version back in 2011. 'Plastic' was simply the album mix, released as a 'key digital track' to promote the LP so I wouldn't have included it. Hellbent had at least two promo CDs so if this were the 90s or early naughties then it almost certainly would have been put out as a single to promote Total. Even the back of the UK Hellbent promo says "Single street date June 27th":

Hellbent

I only recall the one version of 'Hellbent' - where is the radio mix/edit available? What's is running time?

It was lightly remixed for Total (and that 1 track CDR promo), it differs from the Lost Sirens mix.

Rhino.com

Johnny James wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: 'Hellbent' and 'I'll Stay With You' had CD-R promos sent to stations to promote 'Total' and 'Lost Sirens', but didn't have dedicated single releases commercially available - so not counted as singles. Similar to 'Plastic', which was an instant grat from 'Music Complete', but not officially a single release.

For me 'Hellbent' was a more natural choice for the new Singles compilation over 'I'll Stay With You' purely because the latter is just the bog standard album version whereas the former was completely remixed into - arguably - a single/radio version back in 2011. 'Plastic' was simply the album mix, released as a 'key digital track' to promote the LP so I wouldn't have included it. Hellbent had at least two promo CDs so if this were the 90s or early naughties then it almost certainly would have been put out as a single to promote Total. Even the back of the UK Hellbent promo says "Single street date June 27th":

Hellbent

I only recall the one version of 'Hellbent' - where is the radio mix/edit available? What's is running time?

It was lightly remixed for Total (and that 1 track CDR promo), it differs from the Lost Sirens mix.

Really? I've never noticed any differences. What are they?

NotAMod wrote: When Lost Sirens came out, Hellbent was appended (Original Mix) on some digital stores which piqued my interest and the press release at the time indicated "Hellbent will appear for the first time in its non-Radio Edit form" or something similar.

Regarding the actual Total (4:28) vs Lost Sirens (4:27) version differences...

Snare drum for a start, much beefier on the Total version. The Hooky bass on the Lost Sirens version is noticeably quieter as are some keyboard parts. On the Total version some of the guitar parts are also quieter in the mix. Overall the two just have different stereo images over headphones... on one mix the guitar is on the left and on the other the right etc. The easiest way to sum it up is that the Total version has a bit of a sheen whereas the LS version is a bit rougher'n'ready.

Extra production done by Jeremy Wheatley.

You learn something new every day... Never listened to both versions back to back before (until now). Think I prefer the 'Total' version.

Saw the CD version on sale in Fopp at the weekend - £14? Is someone having a laugh? Seeing as the newest songs on it are over 10 years old, they shouldn't be charging more a tenner for it.

Mr Discography wrote: I haven't received the CD from the New Order store yet, but 'Spooky' is the 'Republic' album version on the Spotify version of the remastered 'Singles', despite being labelled as the (Fluke) 'Minimix'. Is this the case on the LP/CD? Another tracklisting balls up?

After several emails back and forth with Warners and the people behind the vinylcollector site, I was finally able to access a digital download of Singles to complement the vinyl set. And yep, it's the 4:44 album version of Spooky (labelled as Minimix...) :(

M1 wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: I haven't received the CD from the New Order store yet, but 'Spooky' is the 'Republic' album version on the Spotify version of the remastered 'Singles', despite being labelled as the (Fluke) 'Minimix'. Is this the case on the LP/CD? Another tracklisting balls up?

After several emails back and forth with Warners and the people behind the vinylcollector site, I was finally able to access a digital download of Singles to complement the vinyl set. And yep, it's the 4:44 album version of Spooky (labelled as Minimix...) :(

Tell them it's wrong, the CD and Vinyl have the Minimix

Johnny James wrote:

M1 wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: I haven't received the CD from the New Order store yet, but 'Spooky' is the 'Republic' album version on the Spotify version of the remastered 'Singles', despite being labelled as the (Fluke) 'Minimix'. Is this the case on the LP/CD? Another tracklisting balls up?

After several emails back and forth with Warners and the people behind the vinylcollector site, I was finally able to access a digital download of Singles to complement the vinyl set. And yep, it's the 4:44 album version of Spooky (labelled as Minimix...) :(

Tell them it's wrong, the CD and Vinyl have the Minimix

iTunes (Belgium) has the real Minimix of Spooky 👍

Mr Discography wrote: You learn something new every day... Never listened to both versions back to back before (until now). Think I prefer the 'Total' version.

I prefer the Total version too. It has more synths and somehow the ending has an extra few bars, although I'm not sure how that's possible since the times are virtually identical.

On 28 February 2019, Dumb will release, 'Not Fucking AGAIN: New Order 1982 - 2016'. Dick Staines, spoked man for Fucking Thick, spouts, 'One of the songs will be from 1981, so fans will have something to talk about in the 4864 years till they can be arsed to do anything new, and the 976430985 years before they can be arsed to do anything new and worth two shits.' 'Perfect Kiss' will be marked '7"' but replaced with 'Sunrise' for no fucking reason whatsofuckingever, and Shit4Brains can reveal 3 songs will have a really annoying glitch on them, 'but we ain't decided which yet.' 'True Faith' will also be marked '7"' but replaced with 'Sunrise' for no fucking reason whatsofuckingever, and Dickie confirms: 'This is the second track marked '7"' but replaced with 'Sunrise' for no fucking reason whatsofuckingever.' You can buy it on limited edition vinyl, 43087458908644337906886985747365080897486390950808508508508508505808750854544444999097098600 copies only, which is also the cost of shipping.

You must be mad.

Hélène's Friend wrote: You must be mad.

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morgan1098 wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: You learn something new every day... Never listened to both versions back to back before (until now). Think I prefer the 'Total' version.

I prefer the Total version too. It has more synths and somehow the ending has an extra few bars, although I'm not sure how that's possible since the times are virtually identical.

i compared the two versions in a wave editor, and the song shifts by one second, although the vocals stay in sync. then at the end the extra bars are added in.

later -1

Debaser wrote:

People think I'm jolly beastly about New Order, but that's awfully unfair. I admire their indefatiguable skill in knocking out those hits - BM, TF / 1963, BM 88, TF 94, 1963 95, BM 95 - and ever-original slew of albums: Substance, Best Of, Rest Of, International, Retro, Singles, remasters, 'corrected' (but still shit) remasters, Total, '''corrected''' Singles rerelease... What's their secret? How do they do it? I guess we'll never know. But the real reason we adore New Order is they Fearlessly put their JD past well and truly behind them. NEW Order, right? It's an inspiring message to us all: Forget the past. Look ahead, look on, NEVER look back. Hence: First single JD covers 7", 12", rereleased 12", Record Day JD versions rerelease Still JD compilation Rereleased JD first Peel Session 12" 1, Peel session 2, comiled into Peel Sessions LP, rereleased LP in new cover, included in Complete BBC Sessions Atmosphere 88, Substance 88 London reissues 93 93's 'NOSory' DVD, Radio 1 and MTV documentaries include JD Love Will Tear Us Apart - 95, Permanent: Best of JD 95 Heart and Soul box set 97 Remastered Preston live, Bains Douches live, Fractured Box (Preston live and Bains Douches live), Re Fractured Box (including Preston live, Les Bains Douches live so Fractured Box) CD remastered reissues JD DVD interviews Control OST The Best Of 2008 Total: From JD to NO

• / - singles box set CD remastered reissues remastered on vinyl NO played JD sporadically through the 80s and since 98 every gig has included at least three JD tracks (the Peel gig had nothing else). Since 2009 Hook has toured JD all over the world and written his 'autobiography' only on JD... It's a potent message: Look to the future guys. Never look back, and certainly don't make a millipenny out of it. RESPECT! What an inspiring, endlessly self-recreating, AWESOME band.

Hi, I just received my vinyl box set and i did not see a coupon for mp3 download. I've been reading that this does come with one, so maybe my box set was sent without it? I do remember getting a coupon for the Music complete vinyl set so i do know what the coupon looks like. I was hoping to avoid buying a digital copy of the album, since the vinyl was not cheap. I'm pretty sure i purchased a US version of box set (Warner Bros.) and I purchased it from SoundStageDirect Vinyl. Was i mistaken about the download code, or did i just get a box set without a coupon? thanks!

44rman wrote: Hi, I just received my vinyl box set and i did not see a coupon for mp3 download. I've been reading that this does come with one, so maybe my box set was sent without it? I do remember getting a coupon for the Music complete vinyl set so i do know what the coupon looks like. I was hoping to avoid buying a digital copy of the album, since the vinyl was not cheap. I'm pretty sure i purchased a US version of box set (Warner Bros.) and I purchased it from SoundStageDirect Vinyl. Was i mistaken about the download code, or did i just get a box set without a coupon? thanks!

Mine came with one but it was useless. When they finally got back to me, one track was the wrong one (see above). I gave up and purloined a CD-Rip from elsewhere guilt-free and in higher res anyway

I lost interest in the old new release of singles experience , but sirens 7 songs have a long lastingness that make me bored with stone roses, oasis, blur ,and pulp. Those 4 old fave bands playlist combined is now 5 songs fewer than the 7 sirens , so i am pleased they were found after they were lost . And I still enjoy hellbent twice , back to back, but it is the total version both times. Oh , ,waterfall and adored are the 2 , Also of interest is that bad lieutenant, or is it leftenant, and electronic have more fun listening experiences than all the other hot bands of the 80's, and I say the same for hooky 's songs of revenge , and monaco and freebass- way way bigger playlist . Of course the bunnymen are excluded, primitives, sundays, and st. Etienne early songs also and a few other bands i can' t remember now. Also , How about that barny putting out an album called bad lieutenant , even though he could have called it new order, as Steve was there, and gillian probably came over a couple of times, But no, he knew There must be 3. He was smarter than anything ,but then hooky forgot 3 was really ok like when gillian was absent.he figured gillian would not care because he then made his lawyers make Barney and Steve and Gillian feel like 2. so, the other 2 and you was really steve Gillian , and bernard while he slept , and hooky probably . Now is the time for new good hooky songs and new new order songs ,soon, and life is better. Meanwhile maybe i can find some more interesting xtc songs, as i forgot about them for awhile. Lastly , I love the Ryder Cup, but it hurts that Bernard is not as great a golfer as he is at singing ,guitaring ,song writing, and keyboarding /melodicaing . He and rory would be so cool, or henrik.I love henrik .

Self-indulgent post, sorry for the noise...

I'm a bit torn, I'd like to pick this up, I fondled a vinyl box today and it looks nice from what I could see (albeit sealed). The potentially missing and incorrect anyway download codes is a bit of a turn-off; it's marginally more than I'd like to spend, too, and would likely not see much play itself--- and when I think about it, I own all the first half on 7" and 12" already. Still,..hmm.

So over to CD-land, which is at least, the correct version of the songs in digital form. IMHO it's a bit of a shame that the CD packaging is so boring. Even a small touch like doing it a bit like "Complete Music" would be an improvement (I realise we're talking about separate record labels here).

Current thought is to focus my money-wasting elsewhere and wait for the CD to go down a bit.

Never mind NO, I did buy Complete Music, Shellshock 7", State of the Nation 7" last week, so all is not lost.

Edit: I do want to say though, that in terms of attention to detail on song selection, the fact they've bothered to revisit Singles at all, is all a great sign, and I think the people involved (inc Jonny) have done a great job from what I can see. Thanks for the efforts!

44rman wrote: Hi, I just received my vinyl box set and i did not see a coupon for mp3 download. I've been reading that this does come with one, so maybe my box set was sent without it? I do remember getting a coupon for the Music complete vinyl set so i do know what the coupon looks like. I was hoping to avoid buying a digital copy of the album, since the vinyl was not cheap. I'm pretty sure i purchased a US version of box set (Warner Bros.) and I purchased it from SoundStageDirect Vinyl. Was i mistaken about the download code, or did i just get a box set without a coupon? thanks!

I see this was posted a while ago, sorry if you've investigated further since you posted.

I just picked up a copy a couple of weeks ago, and thought it was supposed to include a download myself. I emailed Rhino and was told that domestic U.S. copies did not include a download while overseas copies did. I emailed them back with a note saying I was disappointed in the exclusion and hoped that they would reconsider this for the future. I haven't heard a response, but don't really expect one. Sorry for the bad news.

Can anyone recommend where I can buy the vinyl box set in the UK at a decent price??

I can find only one place with it still in stock, but it's over £55 and my charity doesn't extend that far.... 😉

Edit Actually, Amazon appear to have it back in stock at £45...Slightly more reasonable...

time to get this on vinyl finally.

been thinking about it for awhile, but couldn't afford it until now.

have to add it to the long list of things to get.

later -1