waiting for the sirens call mixes (again)

ok, looking over this promo from 2016:

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-NewOrder/release/10588672

NewOrder* ?– NewOrderLabel:Universal Music Publishing ?– noneFormat:2 x CD, Compilation, PromoCountry: Released:2016Genre:Electronic, RockStyle:New Wave, Electro, Synth-pop, Indie RockTracklistNewOrder Singles1-1	–New Order	True Faith 12" Version	5:541-2	–New Order	Temptation 7" Version	5:241-3	–New Order	Bizarre Love Triangle Album Version	4:221-4	–New Order	Crystal	Radio Edit 4:211-5	–New Order	Ceremony First Recording	4:391-6	–New Order	Blue Monday 12" Version	7:261-7	–New Order	Confusion Rough Mix (Singles Edit)	4:561-8	–New Order	Thieves Like Us	7" Promo Edit 3:571-9	–New Order	The Perfect Kiss Album Version	4:511-10	–New Order	Touched By The Hand Of God 7" Version	3:431-11	–New Order	Everything's Gone Green	7" Version 4:10n1-12	–New Order	Here To Stay Radio Edit	3:471-13	–New Order	Round And Round	7" Version 4:001-14	–New Order	Regret Album Version	4:111-15	–New Order	Fine Time 7" Edit	3:121-16	–New Order Feat. Ana Matronic	Jetstream Radio Edit	3:451-17	–New Order	World In Motion	Single Mix 4:32n Here to stay edit is 10 sec shorter than singles editNewOrder Selection2-1	–New Order	Elegia	Album Version 4:552-2	–New Order	Your Silent Face Album Version	5:582-3	–New Order	Special	4:51 Album Versionx2-4	–New Order	Waiting For The Sirens' Call (Instrumental) 5:452-5	–New Order	Close Range Album Version	4:112-6	–New Order	The Beach (Blue Monday Extended Instrumental)	7:102-7	–New Order	Who's Joe? Album Version	5:472-8	–New Order	Thieves Like Us (Instrumental)	6:382-9	–New Order	Let's Go (Instrumental)	3:442-10	–New Order	Vanishing Point (Instrumental)	5:12====================================================================2-11	–Iron & Wine*	Love Vigilantes	3:272-12	–Moby	Temptation	4:562-13	–S.C.U.M	5-8-6	5:582-14	–Lapsley*	Blue Monday	2:102-15	–Destroyer (4)	Leave Me Alone	4:31Total Time:		2:32:23Companies, etc.Copyright (c) – Universal Music PublishingManufactured By – www.keyproduction.co.ukGlass Mastered At – TAKT – 2100006327762Glass Mastered At – TAKT – 2100006327793CreditsDesign – Howard Wakefield, Peter Saville (2)Photography By – Kevin CumminsProducer, Compiled By – Adrian McKinneyWritten-By – Ana Matronic (tracks: 1-16), Arthur Baker (tracks: 1-7, 1-8, 2-8), Joy Division (tracks: 1-5), Keith Allen (tracks: 1-17), New Order (tracks: 1-1 to 1-4, 1-6 to 2-15), Stephen Hague (tracks: 1-1, 1-14, 2-3), Stuart Price (tracks: 1-16)NotesReleased in a A4 gatefold sleeve.The audio mastering on individual tracks suggest that they have come from a variety of sources.The instrumental version of "Waiting For The Sirens' Call" on CD 2 is the sole previously unreleased track here (to date). A Rich Costey instrumental mix of the song was released in 2005 on a CDr promo but the version here is different and based on the original album version.

so most of the tracks aren't anything new.

i've already recreated these promos now, with almost all the tracks.

if you're going to do it, use the remasters, including singles.

you will have to edit down 'here to stay' by 10 seconds, unless they messed up and used the standard 3:57 edit, which is what it should have been.

i didn't bother with the cover songs, although i had 2 of them.

i was hoping it would show up on the internet at some point, or maybe i just missed out.

and for the good stuff, the album instrumental of 'waiting for the sirens call', so here's my attempt:

waiting for the sirens call(album instrumental):

and a dub:

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of course, the rich costey instrumental is still out there somewhere.

so my attempt again:

and a dub:

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and lastly, NO i don't have it, because apparently only 2 people do: https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Waiting-For-The-Sirens/release/859960

New Order ‎– Waiting For The Sirens Label: Not On Label (New Order) ‎– none Format: CDr, Promo, Sampler Country: UK Released: 2005 Genre: Electronic, Pop Style: Electro, Synth-pop, Tech House TracklistShow Credits 1 Waiting For The Sirens (Guy Gerber Remix) 7:10 2 Waiting For The Sirens (Asle Original Remix) 8:23 3 Waiting For The Sirens (Asle Dub Remix) 9:24 4 Waiting For The Sirens (Filterheadz Remix) 7:19 5 Waiting For The Sirens (Punkrok Remix) 6:42 Total Time: 38:58

Tracks 1, 5 are the ones of interest. 1 Waiting For The Sirens (Guy Gerber Remix) 7:10 5 Waiting For The Sirens (Punkrok Remix) 6:42 So keep looking.

tried contacting guy gerber about the remix, but dont' have facebook or twitter, so maybe someone can ask him: https://soundcloud.com/guygerber

same with punkrok (james algate): https://www.beatport.com/artist/james-algate/23973

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negative1 wrote: ok, looking over this promo from 2016:

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-NewOrder/release/10588672

Got it

Mr. Disco wrote:

negative1 wrote: ok, looking over this promo from 2016:

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-NewOrder/release/10588672

Got it

The packaging is very nice. Prices have been all over the place on this, but it doesn't show up often anymore. I remember when it came out, but i wasn't looking to buy anything for the last few years.

sometimes things show up eventually.

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I have this too. Still wrapped.

Prices have relaxed a little since initial availability.

depthcharge wrote: I have this too. Still wrapped.

Prices have relaxed a little since initial availability.

most went for $100-$150, the only copy i see out there is $300+

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Grace Jones was the first artist to cover JD, with her Cuntrol Bside. Before the glut of YouTube, it appeared with a dub on the double Private Life collection. If you want to hear it, don't. It is total and utter shit.

Got it

Love that Destroyer cover of 'Leave Me Alone'. And nice they put Special up on a pedestal...brilliant track.

Mr. Disco wrote: Got it

Utter crud innit? Grace Jones is too soppy and namby pampy for me. More balls, please. The hilarious thing is it's a Shite n Robbie track, like those beyond appaling RIAD disasters. See you after covid, lads?

M1 wrote: Love that Destroyer cover of 'Leave Me Alone'. And nice they put Special up on a pedestal...brilliant track.

You might like https://www.google.com/amp/s/madmackerel.org/2012/01/01/mojos-new-order-covers-cd/amp/

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

M1 wrote: Love that Destroyer cover of 'Leave Me Alone'. And nice they put Special up on a pedestal...brilliant track.

You might like https://www.google.com/amp/s/madmackerel.org/2012/01/01/mojos-new-order-covers-cd/amp/

I have it and I really do ;)

Saw Destroyer play a low-key gig at a local pub here a couple of years ago. Rather brilliant imo though quite on another planet. Which is no bad thing.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Utter crud innit? Grace Jones is too soppy and namby pampy for me. More balls, please.

Not my cup of tea for sure, but I've found it more ballsy than the majority of JD/NO covers

I was joking. Grace Jones makes Arnold Schwarzenegger look like Baby Spice. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XLLtS50UCBQ That cover just doesn't work though. As a reviewer pointed out, it provides about as much insight into mentale disorder as They're Coming To Take Me Away, HaHa. Give me Mel C and True Faith. Actually, just the first half.

So what was the story with this promo set? I vaguely remember a thread about it on here some years ago , seeing the pics and stuff . Shocked to realise it was nearly 5 years ago though, time flies and all that eh? But what was the reason and timing for its release? Just seemed quite a random thing. No I don’t own a copy and haven’t tried to obtain one. Just trying to get my round what the point of it was. I guess I’m at risk of sounding like sour grapes that I don’t have a copy but that’s really not the case, I’m just curious about the point of it.

Money. That's what I want. Which is why I finally get into a studio and perform someone else's song and sacrifice half the royalties.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Money

A lazy, predictable, and incorrect, answer. Try harder, Michael.

Cash.

Harder, Michael, harder.

As my scout mistress said.

Fotz wrote: Harder, Michael, harder.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: As my scout mistress said.

This made me laugh. So thank you both.

Wow, a laugh. That's three more than usual.

Fotz wrote: So what was the story with this promo set? I vaguely remember a thread about it on here some years ago , seeing the pics and stuff . Shocked to realise it was nearly 5 years ago though, time flies and all that eh? But what was the reason and timing for its release? Just seemed quite a random thing. No I don’t own a copy and haven’t tried to obtain one. Just trying to get my round what the point of it was. I guess I’m at risk of sounding like sour grapes that I don’t have a copy but that’s really not the case, I’m just curious about the point of it.

Bands release inhouse promos, and company promos as thank you to specific people or for specific events. Nothing more than that. Sure there are anniversary releases.

Look at the tons of special factory promos that are worth a fortune now, flexis, flipbooks, rulers, statues, stationary, and every other thing you can think of.

This is a small time peanuts to put out a limited cd set.

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NotAMod wrote: Fairly certain these sets weren't produced to make money but were simply given away to industry insiders, A&R folk etc.

Apparently it got to the right hands, given the fair amount of Hollywood movies and/or ads that featured NO songs (i.e. Blue Monday) in recent years.

I don't think it's specifically connected to that, Mr Disco. What's your first name? New Order have been used on loads of soundtracks. Sometimes they're even relevant. NotAMod is probably right. A lot of artists do in-house bonuses, even McCartney with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never\_Stop\_Doing\_What\_You\_Love

Agreed... it's a long shot, of course they've been on a lot of soundtracks through the years but there were a lot in the past 3 or 4 years. Ready Player #1, Atomic Blonde and the Wonder Woman trailer come to mind. A coincidence probably, but still...

My name's Paulo.

Hello Paulo!

Just dropping into this thread to comment that this site has had a wonderful flurry of activity these last few days. Long may it continue! :-)

NotAMod wrote:

Fotz wrote: So what was the story with this promo set? I vaguely remember a thread about it on here some years ago , seeing the pics and stuff . Shocked to realise it was nearly 5 years ago though, time flies and all that eh? But what was the reason and timing for its release? Just seemed quite a random thing. No I don’t own a copy and haven’t tried to obtain one. Just trying to get my round what the point of it was. I guess I’m at risk of sounding like sour grapes that I don’t have a copy but that’s really not the case, I’m just curious about the point of it.

The set was intended to mark the acquisition of the NO catalogue's publisher rights by Universal Music in 2015: New Order Signs Worldwide Publishing Deal With Universal Music

Fairly certain these sets weren't produced to make money but were simply given away to industry insiders, A&R folk etc. A quantity ended up being resold on eBay, Discogs etc. Or perhaps a batch was never given out and made their way into sellers' hands through other means.

Like anything marked "Promotional Only" they were never really intended for Joe Public hence their ridiculous value nowadays when copies do surface.

Same with the JD one from 2007.

Many thanks for the info, NotAmod. An informative and helpful post . I knew it had to be something a bit more than Monkhouse’s lazy and half arsed “ Money” theory.

You're just jealous because I know so many interesting facts about the Spice Girls. Anyway, I was right in a way cos ultimately it's all about business innit. Why didn't they give me One, after all my useful contributions?

perspexorange wrote: Hello Paulo!

Just dropping into this thread to comment that this site has had a wonderful flurry of activity these last few days. Long may it continue! :-)

well, i discovered the neworder reddit, and there's the steve hoffman forum album thread, and tons of discussions going on with new order.

every week, every month, there is news, new music, live streams, the boxset,

there has been more new order news and releases in the last year, than there has been in a decade, at least to me.

that's why there's a discussion.

also, it's a good time to look back.

i haven't touched my new order stuff in a decade or two, so it's good to see what i actually have, and finally add to it, and get all those releases i've meaning to get, but couldn't find, or afford.

you've been posting a lot of good topics too. that helps.

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There's one going on eBay for £132

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125933572381

negative1 wrote: ok, looking over this promo from 2016:

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-NewOrder/release/10588672

The audio mastering on individual tracks suggest that they have come from a variety of sources.

The instrumental version of "Waiting For The Sirens' Call" on CD 2 is the sole previously unreleased track here (to date). A Rich Costey instrumental mix of the song was released in 2005 on a CDr promo but the version here is different and based on the original album version.

so most of the tracks aren't anything new.

This thread reminded me to look for the set and I recently picked it up. I am currently A-B testing the individual tracks against previous releases (Factory/Qwest/Rhino) and there are some unique masters on the second disc.

"The Beach" is in many respects similar to the "B.M. Instrumental Outtake" on the box set but fades earlier and is a considerably different mix. Individual elements are much more distinct here, more dynamic, making for a different listening experience. Since work on the box sets began around 2016, quite possibly this is unmastered, or mastered independently of the PCL box by different people.

Hmm. Would definitely be interested to hear that Beach variant and, indeed, anything else different on this compilation.

Fractured wrote: "The Beach" is in many respects similar to the "B.M. Instrumental Outtake" on the box set but fades earlier and is a considerably different mix. Individual elements are much more distinct here, more dynamic, making for a different listening experience. Since work on the box sets began around 2016, quite possibly this is unmastered, or mastered independently of the PCL box by different people.

Could it be the same mix from the bonus CD on the 2008 two-disc reissue of PC&L?

perspexorange wrote: Hmm. Would definitely be interested to hear that Beach variant and, indeed, anything else different on this compilation.

Mine is still sealed, but a mate ripped the WFTSC instrumental for me... I'll try to get him to rip The Beach as well.

Fractured wrote:

This thread reminded me to look for the set and I recently picked it up. I am currently A-B testing the individual tracks against previous releases (Factory/Qwest/Rhino) and there are some unique masters on the second disc.

"The Beach" is in many respects similar to the "B.M. Instrumental Outtake" on the box set but fades earlier and is a considerably different mix. Individual elements are much more distinct here, more dynamic, making for a different listening experience. Since work on the box sets began around 2016, quite possibly this is unmastered, or mastered independently of the PCL box by different people.

The Beach had an edit section that should be used in the master. The mix from the Britannia Row sessions isn't the final version/edit. That edit section doesn't exist on the analogue reels (as we found out) and the U-Matic with it on doesn't play anymore. For the recent reissue single we had to use an analogue production master reel.

I've no idea what they actually used for this set, it's probably some old transfer of the unfinished mix down (probably the same as the PCL Collector's Edition).

Johnny James wrote:

Fractured wrote:

This thread reminded me to look for the set and I recently picked it up. I am currently A-B testing the individual tracks against previous releases (Factory/Qwest/Rhino) and there are some unique masters on the second disc.

"The Beach" is in many respects similar to the "B.M. Instrumental Outtake" on the box set but fades earlier and is a considerably different mix. Individual elements are much more distinct here, more dynamic, making for a different listening experience. Since work on the box sets began around 2016, quite possibly this is unmastered, or mastered independently of the PCL box by different people.

The Beach had an edit section that should be used in the master. The mix from the Britannia Row sessions isn't the final version/edit. That edit section doesn't exist on the analogue reels (as we found out) and the U-Matic with it on doesn't play anymore. For the recent reissue single we had to use an analogue production master reel.

I've no idea what they actually used for this set, it's probably some old transfer of the unfinished mix down (probably the same as the PCL Collector's Edition).

Does this mean the only way to get the remastered version of the proper mix is by buying the re-released 12"?

Andy wrote:

Johnny James wrote:

Fractured wrote:

This thread reminded me to look for the set and I recently picked it up. I am currently A-B testing the individual tracks against previous releases (Factory/Qwest/Rhino) and there are some unique masters on the second disc.

"The Beach" is in many respects similar to the "B.M. Instrumental Outtake" on the box set but fades earlier and is a considerably different mix. Individual elements are much more distinct here, more dynamic, making for a different listening experience. Since work on the box sets began around 2016, quite possibly this is unmastered, or mastered independently of the PCL box by different people.

The Beach had an edit section that should be used in the master. The mix from the Britannia Row sessions isn't the final version/edit. That edit section doesn't exist on the analogue reels (as we found out) and the U-Matic with it on doesn't play anymore. For the recent reissue single we had to use an analogue production master reel.

I've no idea what they actually used for this set, it's probably some old transfer of the unfinished mix down (probably the same as the PCL Collector's Edition).

Does this mean the only way to get the remastered version of the proper mix is by buying the re-released 12"?

Yes, that's the only source right now (and digital obviously).