Retro Bonus CD - yippee...

Well, taken from the other site:

RETRO BONUS CD

1.  Temptation 98 (408) 
   

(P)2002 London Records 90 Ltd

2.  Transmission (Live) (359) Recorded by Triple J at the Big Day Out, Gold Coast. Live sound by Dian Barton.Recording date 20th January 2002 
   

(P)2002 London Records 90 Ltd

3.  Such a Good Thing (405) 
   

(P)2002 London Records 90 Ltd

4.  Theme from Best & Marsh (427)
   

(P)1989 Factory Communications Ltd

5.  Lets G (Extract from Instrumental used on Salvation motion picture sound track)  (201)
   

(P)1987 Factory Communications Ltd

6.  True Faith (Pink Noise Morel Edit) (429) Additional Remix and Production by Richard Morel
   

(P)2001 London Records 90 Ltd

7.  Run Wild  (Steve Osborne Original Mix) (411)
   

(P)2002 London Records 90 Ltd

8.  The Perfect Kiss (Live take recorded at video shoot) (955)
   

Recorded Live on Manor Mobile at Cheetham Hill Manchester 27th March 1985

(P)2002 London Records 90 Ltd

9.  Elegia (Full Version) (1731)
   

(P)2002 London Records 90 Ltd

l8rs,

Nick ;)

That sounds amazing, especially track 8...

is this a limited thing, or what?

According to the other site, yup - limited to the first 3,000 releases.

Sounds wonderful - Elegia long version finally on CD, Perfect Kiss long live video version, etc - great stuff!

l8rs,

Nick ;)

how can you tell if you are ordering one of the first "3000"?
is this the UK release only?
how many copies will be initially made? what is Temptation 98... a remix? by whom?

so many questions.....?

well, The Video Perfect Kiss sounds hella cool. and the whole Elegia finally... other than that a rather mixed bag to throw out as treat to get people wanting to buy it... (a good idea actually to drive up some interest in what has been a rather lame and indecisive prelude... )

the bad thing about it is that is the "eBay.com" effect, whenever you have a "limited edition", people think about making a profit.

"According to the other site, yup - limited to the first 3,000 releases"

I guess that means there will be enough for everybody :)

GOOD NEWS ABOUT THIS RETRO RELEASE??!! :D This makes my heart/soul happy, hope I can get the limited edition...

Sorry about my hyperactivity, blame those damn Frappachinos from Starbucks, folks.

Just secure all 3000 for all of us NOOL'ers

..and sell any remaining ones on EBay

Originally posted by Spotnick Retro would cost £26.90 shipped to my house from Amazon.co.ukNot bad, I'm pretty sure I paid much more for Heart & Soul from the US..BTW, if M. Jonathan Scott reads this, since I'm quite sure you are the source of this information, any leak about if there is a booklet with the boxset? à la Heart & Soul ?

it's already been stated that the book will be 70+pages

this better be shipped with the pre-orders from HMV

Sounds reasonable, in the past HMV have given away other goodies, like the Get Ready booklet and a video with the Palatine box.

This tracklist is amazing !!!

Isn't there a possibility to get around 500 of this limited retro for the NOOLiner's from London Records ??? I mean...we decided the tracklist...

I can't currently find any online records stores stocking this version yet. Surely HMV will have to have another entry on there stating it's the 'Limited Edition' version or something. Anyone know of anywhere online or "real-life" that's going to stock this version?

Andy

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Old Blue Sounds reasonable, in the past HMV have given away other goodies, like the Get Ready booklet and a video with the Palatine box.

Get Ready booklet?

Yes! In Germany HMV released "Get Ready" with a small booklet, which featured a small history of the band along with the new promopictures and a discography.

Hmm interesting, where does this 'HMV' connection come from or is this just an assumption due to past offers they have done..?

Remember Tower Recs gave away free G'Ready T-shirts, and posters with that Republic videodisc and CD so its not just HMV that give away goodies as release promotion...

If i go to HMV.co.uk and pre-order my copy of Retro now, what are my chances of getting this free bonus disc when retro (finally) comes out?

Get Ready German booklet:

CLICK here for a picture

The discography part was knicked pretty much wholesale from the Ivarsson discography site, as was the above picture!!

Well, i just ordered it... that'll be no food for a week when that comes out... but at least i'll be hungry and listening to the 16 minute version of elegia (hopefully)

What are the chances of us plebs downunder gettin a bonus disc? Much the same as England regaining the Ashes I guess

I've pre-ordered mine from Amazon.co.uk so i want to check with them that it will be included. It sounds like someone has been reading these boards!

Originally posted by Spotnick

Best & Marsh - Well, you have it if you have the R&R CD5 /b]

Is it the 7" or the 12" version I wonder? Three guesses which was the only country to get the 12" version on the cd single...

1. Bulgaria
2. Norway
3. Runcorn

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I just tried talking to someone at HMV regarding this limited lovely, but they weren't able to shed any light on this.

Anyone have a definitive on pre-ordering the ltd package?

I told you that there would be something of a result if you showed a little patience.

As Al J. & Candy the Bear will testify, I knew about this but couldn't really say anything - I all but told the forum over the last couple of days anyway.

Other than "Such a Good Thing" - which Barney insisted on including on this, I thought it wasn't that bad a collection at all.

By way of an explanation;

Andy Robinson called me here at work a couple of weeks ago asking what I thought might put a smile on some of your moaning faces. I passd on many of your comments and hey presto - your "rarities" disc appears courtesy of HMV.

I'm not a total cunt all the time y'know?

So if I order from MHV I shall get the Bonus disc? Sorry to bother you but where I live it's not easy to walk into the HMV?

... it isn't where I live either ... the parking facilities are terrible.

Originally posted by FourFortyFive I told you that there would be something of a result if you showed a little patience.As Al J. & Candy the Bear will testify, I knew about this but couldn't really say anything - I all but told the forum over the last couple of days anyway.Other than "Such a Good Thing" - which Barney insisted on including on this, I thought it wasn't that bad a collection at all.By way of an explanation;Andy Robinson called me here at work a couple of weeks ago asking what I thought might put a smile on some of your moaning faces. I passd on many of your comments and hey presto - your "rarities" disc appears courtesy of HMV.I'm not a total cunt all the time y'know?

Nice work JS :)

Originally posted by mmh I just tried talking to someone at HMV regarding this limited lovely, but they weren't able to shed any light on this.Anyone have a definitive on pre-ordering the ltd package?

not here, hmv and virgin know nothing about it, amazon sent me an incomprehensible reply that seemed to suggest they didn't understand the question.

Considering that many of the disgruntled fans are abroad, I'll see what I can do about getting a number of these additional discs just for the forum members - being that it's nearly Christmas and all that...Bah Humbug!

www.amazon.com has retro for a December 17th release, While www.amazon.co.uk has retro for a December 9th release. How can a person in the states secure the bonus CD?

Maybe this "limited" edition is on the same vein as some other "limited" releases... take the "LOTR:TFOTR special edition- Collector's edition" (the longest DVD title in history?): I've seen LOADS of them on my local FNAC (I won't buy the fucker, of course! Who needs an Argonath bookend? Please!) so what's "limited" about it?

Originally posted by FourFortyFive Considering that many of the disgruntled fans are abroad, I'll see what I can do about getting a number of these additional discs just for the forum members - being that it's nearly Christmas and all that...Bah Humbug!

This tends to suggest that behind the stony silent exterior the band has a modicum of interest in the NooL'ers views on such matters?

Can you confirm this JS ??

Originally posted by FourFortyFive Considering that many of the disgruntled fans are abroad, I'll see what I can do about getting a number of these additional discs just for the forum members - being that it's nearly Christmas and all that...Bah Humbug!

That would be so wonderful!!!!

Any help in getting the bonus disc for those of us outside the UK would be very much appreciated.

Cheers.

Originally posted by Tracey Spivey Any help in getting the bonus disc for those of us outside the UK would be very much appreciated.Cheers.

I have only recently bothered to order cds from online, cuz I can find most rare cds in the live music capitol of the world.....but I would order this collection with the ltd edition cd if i can, no matter how much the shipping is. My question is: WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS FOR US AMERICANOS GETTING THIS LTD EDITION CD COLLECTION? Thanks.

I'll tell you exacty what happened so you know what I know.

Miles (DVD director) called a couple of weeks ago and asked if he could give Andy Robinson my office number. He said Andy wanted to talk to me about something. Obviously I said yes and about 15 minutes later, Andy called and started talking about this extra disc. He talked for about 90 minutes about all manner of stuff and asked what I thought would make up for the shortcomings on the "Retro" release. Shortcomings as far as you lot were concerned that is. I mentioned various tracks and he agreed with some but not with all - no demos - remember now? I did ask...I should also point out that it wasn't only reaction on this forum that prompted Andy to get in touch.

As far as I know, it's only HMV in the UK. Not sure how that effects foreign orders. I can only ask for extra copies for the fans here - I cannot promise anything. I am hopeful however...

Anyway, there you have it - there is a bit more I can't say yet but that I hope comes to fruition.

Yours,

Jonathan S.

Originally posted by FourFortyFive I'll tell you exacty what happened so you know what I know.Miles (DVD director) called a couple of weeks ago and asked if he could give Andy Robinson my office number. He said Andy wanted to talk to me about something. Obviously I said yes and about 15 minutes later, Andy called and started talking about this extra disc. He talked for about 90 minutes about all manner of stuff and asked what I thought would make up for the shortcomings on the "Retro" release. Shortcomings as far as you lot were concerned that is. I mentioned various tracks and he agreed with some but not with all - no demos - remember now? I did ask...I should also point out that it wasn't only reaction on this forum that prompted Andy to get in touch.As far as I know, it's only HMV in the UK. Not sure how that effects foreign orders. I can only ask for extra copies for the fans here - I cannot promise anything. I am hopeful however...Anyway, there you have it - there is a bit more I can't say yet but that I hope comes to fruition.Yours,Jonathan S.

You did a great job Mr JS! I just hope this bonus CD will cross the Channel to land in Belgium ;).

That wasn't directed at you Nic - any conversation I had with the bands manager related ONLY to views expressed on this forum.

I asked for the original accoustic demo of "60 MPH" & the rehearsal session for "Hurt" but was told that it just wouldn't happen but I agreed that you'd all like the rambling version of "Elegia" etc.

Originally posted by FourFortyFive That wasn't directed at you Nic - any conversation I had with the bands manager related ONLY to views expressed on this forum.I asked for the original accoustic demo of "60 MPH" & the rehearsal session for "Hurt" but was told that it just wouldn't happen but I agreed that you'd all like the rambling version of "Elegia" etc.

First of all, thank you for making this happen and second, what is the acoustic demo of 60MPH? Is that the Dave Kahne mix or the version on the premix promo?

Well, as long as us die-hard fans can all get our hands on a copy, this is a bit of a result. Well done. To keep all of us completeists happy, it would have needed about another four or five limited edition discs, but the stuff that's on there is certainly sought after, that's for sure.

Any news on if we'll get copies with the free disc if we've already pre-ordered from HMV?

Andy.

I cannot claim anything other than a little involvement in this - but I was asked and that's really nice I have to say...

As for the "60 MPH" demo question;

Neither - it was the first demo recorded at David Potts house and indeed Pottsy plays keyboards on the track. There is even a "1,2,1,2,3,4" count at the start.

I've got it on CD already anyway, but can I ask why it's an "excerpt" from 'Let's Go' on this bonus disc?

Andy.

FOUR FORTY FIVE....cheers and well done for ANY involvement.I hope to get a copy but even if i am not lucky enough to get a copy 3000 will!So nice one and this is a great PRESENT to NOOL's for XMAS. Good un Rocket Mick

Yes, indeed, SAGT is probably even worse than WAS.

Indeed, excellent work there young Johnathan. E-mailed HMV.co.uk before about getting hold of the bonus disc, no reply yet though. Somehow I have a slight fear that they'll say "sod off, you're already getting a 4-disc box set for £16.99, you'll get the bonus disc if you order it for £35.99". Then I may start crying, what with me being a poor first-year student and all. Then, when I pull myself together, I might start going a bit mental :violent2:

Originally posted by Spotnick Well, I'm happy since if I get that bonus CD, I won't have to buy WIM2002 to get all New Order tracks.. ;)But well, uh, I don't have them anyway..There is still many things missing.. the original mix of Crystal

That was just a faded in-and-out excerpt from the original 7:08 version which you can get hold of on the 'Here To Stay' UK 12". I think it's on there by mistake, as the running time on the sleeve is the album version, but it definitely is longer - the one on the 'Get Ready' rough mixes bootleg.

Andy.

firstly congrats in assisting in this little bonus disc mr scott...

daft question but do you have any idea how these 3000 discs will be distributed amongst the shops or will they all go to pre-ordered packages??? basically what i am asking is if i go to hmv in derby on day of release...will i get blank expressions from some spotty shop assistant when i mention the bonus disc???

where can i get the Get Ready rough mixes? were there rough mixes of all the tracks on the album?

rich

Rich - check your e-mail.

The recording of "Elegia" which is due to appear on this disc was referred to as the "20 minute version" by Andy and will come from the master recording - I have no idea what re-mastering it may or may not require. What I do know is that New Order do not have an endless well of cash to draw upon when it comes to re-recording or mastering or indeed any "post" work. It all adds up and it's cash that could be better spent elsewhere. I had hoped that the original recordings of "Ode to Joy" would be in there too - Andy & I agreed it would be perfectly apt for a Christmas release but it's a recording many of you already own - no matter how shit it is quality wise.

The Area One shows were mentioned as Andy liked the idea of a live JD track being used. I know there has been alot of cross talk about the "promos" that appeared via REPRISE - not all of it good. It was a leak at that end that caused alot of problems and indeed, it was that leak that saw me wrongly blamed for the "release" of the original monitor mixes of "Crystal" & "60 MPH". Andy was NOT happy about that at all.

Apparently, any cunt with even the remotest interest in New Order could get a hold of these tracks over in L.A. If you recall, I mentioned them on or around the 6th January - many months before their intended release - and it's true that I received them from the United States.

Maybe now some of you will see why I was so vocal about what we should or rather souldn't be talking about so openly within the forum - it is viewed/read by all and sundry and not always with the most favourable outcome - except this time of course!

Andy was quite dismayed at the thought that many of you think they don't give a fuck - they do, but they are a business as well as our favourite band and they have to operate as one in order that we get the best return from them in future.

As for helping our foreign friends (ex UK that is) get a hold of the "bonus" CD - I cannot promise anything and as such any extras I get will go to non-UK fans only and this would have to be done privately - no "official" site tie in I'm afraid. Once again, NO PROMISES - I will do my best. It would be a shame if the disc didn't go straight to those it was specifically intended for but the main reason I want to "help" on this occassion is to stop the Esprit & Ebay vultures cashing in...which they will anyway.

Obviously now I'm worried about my pre-order on HMV's website (yes, for that lovely cheap price!!!!), as in, will HMV be providing me with the limited edition version with this bonus disk, or will I just get a bog-standard release? Is this thing limited to the stores themselves, or is it applying for ordering over the net at HMV.co.uk? So many questions, I'll be pissed if I don't get the bonus disk in the post with the box set.

Regarding the critisicm of New Order, I think its pretty much spot on, lets not forget that this box-set is a way of saying sorry for the RECYCLE cock up of a few years back. As a die hard fan I feel not only have N.O. totally sold out (London Records suck, admit it), but now they are releasing poor quality stuff that us fans already have in our collection anyway.

I hope I'm wrong, I'm actually fucking gutted that New order aren't the kick ass Manchester band that I loved, and as a fellow Manc it pains me to say it.

How abouts getting Barney and Hooky on this website to answer our questions/issues about releases?

I'm also pissed that as a born and bred Manc, we who live in this city, and are die hard fans of N.O. get no special treatment of any kind regarding releases, and I thought Hooky was "fuckin' proud to live 'ere", bastard!

Bring back the hacienda, Factory records, and Ian, I know he's alive, I've been in his bar in Spain.

must say, with this extra disc i'm really looking forward to the box set now. just a shame it couldn't be fitted in the box as a "rare" disc to go with "live", "pop", "fan" etc.hope everyone here manages to track down their copy. i'm assuming it'll be a separate cd stored behind the counter in hmv to give away to buyers, rather than part of the set. i know a chap who works in hmv so i'll see what i can find out...

well done JS

Its great to know our opinions are heard! (god, i hope barney didn't see all those "fat" pictures i did a while back....)

i'm keeping my fingers crossed for my pre-order (at £35) having the free CD! :D :D

I don't really know what the financial set-up is with HMV and the "bonus" disc but I do know that some of the tracks I suggested for inclusion on the CD were out of the question due to legal constraints; I said that the "Celebration" version of "Dreams Never End" or clean versions of the latest PEEL recordings (including "Transmission") would be brilliant extras but the recordings belong to GRANADA TV/BBC and NOT the band and as such would have incurred third party costs. This would have caused a problem...blah, blah, blah...the point I'm making is that the band truly wanted to give "us" something more and they've made a genuine effort to do this - I SUSPECT that HMV stumped up the cash for the CD as it's in their best interests to have done so but I'm really not too sure how that sort of deal works.

There has to be some way to get "the happy one" on there without anyone noticing! :D

Jonathon, thanks for making us all drool with anticipation. But, alas, I am but a 20 New Order fan from across the big lake in little ole USA. I can hope for a CD, but I won't get my hopes too high. You are my only hope for it. There is no way I will walk into a store in Michigan and find the extra disk version. I am not going to spend $60 US to order from HMV at the outside chance that maybe I will get it. I will pick up my box set from the local record store and sell you my firstborn child for the bonus CD.

There is good new on the horizon for fans in territories outwith the UK so please don't lose faith JUST yet!

I'm gonna start charging for this stuff I can tell ya'!

Thanks for giving those outside the UK hope!

Yep - thanks for the hope... hopefully hope grows into something great! I would love to have the full Elegia alone on a real CD

[ As for helping our foreign friends (ex UK that is) get a hold of the "bonus" CD - I cannot promise anything and as such any extras I get will go to non-UK fans only and this would have to be done privately - no "official" site tie in I'm afraid. Once again, NO PROMISES - I will do my best. It would be a shame if the disc didn't go straight to those it was specifically intended for but the main reason I want to "help" on this occassion is to stop the Esprit & Ebay vultures cashing in...which they will anyway.

Don`t forget us downunder in Aust and NZ.

By the way if anyone downunder needs a copy of the French International Ltd ed, let me know I have a few to trade or share cost of importing, about AU$50ea.

Originally posted by murv_hughes [As for helping our foreign friends (ex UK that is) get a hold of the "bonus" CD - I cannot promise anything and as such any extras I get will go to non-UK fans only and this would have to be done privately - no "official" site tie in I'm afraid. Once again, NO PROMISES - I will do my best. It would be a shame if the disc didn't go straight to those it was specifically intended for but the main reason I want to "help" on this occassion is to stop the Esprit & Ebay vultures cashing in...which they will anyway.

Don`t forget us downunder in Aust and NZ.

By the way if anyone downunder needs a copy of the French International Ltd ed, let me know I have a few to trade or share cost of importing, about AU$50ea. MURV....when i get mine i could always buy another one(just nicked my sons CREDIT CARD...hehe) send it you and then VOILA...food for thought. Cheers Rocket Mick

that totally rocks about the bonus disc, 4:45. i haven't really posted here in a while but that disc has certainly piqued my interest. glad to know that the band and their management do care about what we think. i was quite disappointed with the box set's list and wasn't sure how well it would sell. seems a little expensive for someone just getting into NO and, as has been repeated extensively here, most people that dedicated to our fav band have most of the stuff on them. i guess it was just a hard call all around.

cheers,

iain

Originally posted by Rocket Mick > Originally posted by murv_hughes> [> As for helping our foreign friends (ex UK that is) get a hold of the "bonus" CD - I cannot promise anything and as such any extras I get will go to non-UK fans only and this would have to be done privately - no "official" site tie in I'm afraid. Once again, NO PROMISES - I will do my best. It would be a shame if the disc didn't go straight to those it was specifically intended for but the main reason I want to "help" on this occassion is to stop the Esprit & Ebay vultures cashing in...which they will anyway.

Don`t forget us downunder in Aust and NZ.

By the way if anyone downunder needs a copy of the French International Ltd ed, let me know I have a few to trade or share cost of importing, about AU$50ea. MURV....when i get mine i could always buy another one(just nicked my sons CREDIT CARD...hehe) send it you and then VOILA...food for thought. Cheers Rocket Mick

Run that by me again RM, I bowl under arm these days

Originally posted by FourFortyFive There is good new on the horizon for fans in territories outwith the UK so please don't lose faith JUST yet!I'm gonna start charging for this stuff I can tell ya'!

Thanks Johan it's very nice of you to think of us people from overseas, just wanted to remind you how sunny, warm, full of bars and beautiful girls Barcelona is! ;)

Originally posted by murv_hughes > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> > > > Originally posted by murv_hughes> > [> > As for helping our foreign friends (ex UK that is) get a hold of the "bonus" CD - I cannot promise anything and as such any extras I get will go to non-UK fans only and this would have to be done privately - no "official" site tie in I'm afraid. Once again, NO PROMISES - I will do my best. It would be a shame if the disc didn't go straight to those it was specifically intended for but the main reason I want to "help" on this occassion is to stop the Esprit & Ebay vultures cashing in...which they will anyway.>

Don`t forget us downunder in Aust and NZ.

By the way if anyone downunder needs a copy of the French International Ltd ed, let me know I have a few to trade or share cost of importing, about AU$50ea. MURV....when i get mine i could always buy another one(just nicked my sons CREDIT CARD...hehe) send it you and then VOILA...food for thought. Cheers Rocket Mick

You`re a gentleman and a scholar, cheers RM

Originally posted by FourFortyFive There is good new on the horizon for fans in territories outwith the UK so please don't lose faith JUST yet!I'm gonna start charging for this stuff I can tell ya'!

That would be so fantastic, i can't even put it in words !!! i already pre-ordered a copy of "Retro" from Amazon germany and it's labelled as an UK-import, but i really doubt that this is going to be a limited one...if there's any possibility to get any limited edition copies for the NOOLiner's from outside the UK i would appreciate this !!!

Eil.com have there 'retro' stock listed as limited edition 57 tracks at £29.99. Haven't counted if that's the difference between the bonus c.d. and the regular release. The promo they're trying to off-load for £75.00 has 51 tracks.

hmmm, just checked and there's 9 tracjs on the bonus disc Does the promo just have less stuff than the regular release?

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© hmmm, just checked and there's 9 tracjs on the bonus disc Does the promo just have less stuff than the regular release?

A question for you Hank, Ive often been tempted to buy promo CDs acetates, how long do these acetates last? Remain playable? Are they a waste of money?

NME report:

http://www.nme.com/news/103560.htm

Originally posted by murv_hughes > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©> hmmm, just checked and there's 9 tracjs on the bonus disc Does the promo just have less stuff than the regular release?

A question for you Hank, Ive often been tempted to buy promo CDs acetates, how long do these acetates last? Remain playable? Are they a waste of money?

I'm sure 4:45 has mentioned many times there's no such thing as a cdr acetate. I've only ever bought promos on vinyl. Vinyl acetate deteriorates very rapidly and is probably only good for a dozen or so plays if that.

Originally posted by FourFortyFive There is good new on the horizon for fans in territories outwith the UK so please don't lose faith JUST yet!I'm gonna start charging for this stuff I can tell ya'!

Jonathan - thanks for this heart-warming news regarding non-UK fans - very intrigued... played telephone tag with HMV UK all yesterday afternoon to ensure the limited one could be ensnared and had no joy - reminds me of the search for Substance ltd double cassette box - was it really only available at Woolies or is that a distortion of the truth?!

looking forward to further news with baited breath. Many thanks.

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© > Originally posted by murv_hughes> > > > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©> > hmmm, just checked and there's 9 tracjs on the bonus disc Does the promo just have less stuff than the regular release?>

A question for you Hank, Ive often been tempted to buy promo CDs acetates, how long do these acetates last? Remain playable? Are they a waste of money?

I'm sure 4:45 has mentioned many times there's no such thing as a cdr acetate. I've only ever bought promos on vinyl. Vinyl acetate deteriorates very rapidly and is probably only good for a dozen or so plays if that.

So an acetate CD is only term to describe a promo cd, and they have longevity?

In general, I'm always wary of anything with "CD-R" in the title, be it acetate or promo. I mean, any idiot can record something on to CD-R, knock up a genuine looking label and sell it at an inflated price.

NB Any resemblance between that statement and eil.com is purely coincidental.

I feel I must join the masses and congratulate JS on his efforts - many many thanks.

Love the NME tracklisting ("Let's G" was from the 'Salvador' soundtrack, eh?)!! BTW, finally got hold of a second hand VHS copy of this the other day - crap film, great music is all I can say there - some of the songs sound different from the soundtrack, but I could be wrong...

Oh, and btw, Esprit's tracklisting for the promo misses off the last 5 live tracks off it's tracklisting, but it is on the promo for those completely insane people like myself who must own everything...

l8rs,

Nick ;)

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Not for you Major T.. but for the quote ;)

The german online-magazine www.intro.de also reports (in their latest newsletter) that there is going to be limited bonus-CD "Retro". BUT...I don't know if this is an official confirmation for germany or just a "copy & paste"-job from NOOL or worldinmotion.net or even the NME...

i spoke to a clerk at hmv-atlanta. they have no listing for the retro ltd edition, either domestic or import. he suggested calling an hmv uk store directly and ordering over the phone. the numbers for the stores can be found with the store locations on the hmv uk web site. i think i will wait and see a couple days before i pay international long distance. this might work.

Originally posted by hoover i spoke to a clerk at hmv-atlanta. they have no listing for the retro ltd edition, either domestic or import. he suggested calling an hmv uk store directly and ordering over the phone. the numbers for the stores can be found with the store locations on the hmv uk web site. i think i will wait and see a couple days before i pay international long distance. this might work.

I asked in the local (UK) HMV in person, and they only had the 'normal' retro listed on their computer, they didn't seem to know anything about the ltd edition.

David Sultan has just written in WIM that the bonus CD will be bundled together with the first 3000 CD's with no HMV tie in.

All together now:

Confusion, Confusion, Confusion

You cause me confusion, you told me you care It's calling the changes they'll last till the end Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies The past is the present, the CD is mine

CDR acetates;

These items are no more than cheap promos that scratch easily and in no way merit the vast sums charged over at EIL or Ebay - avoid.

"Vinyl" acetates;

These are aluminium discs coated with a thin layer of "acetate" or wax and carry the test pressing of a.n.other track for test-listening purposes. They last all of 2 plays accurately.

These are very rare as they cost a fortune to produce - usually only 1 or 2 would be pressed.

Shaun Carruthers = cock!

Latest on the "RETRO" bonus CD is that it IS an HMV tie in that SHOULD extend to all territories. Furthermore, despite the fact that the packaging was not designed for 5 discs, it will be included within the "RETRO" box....turgid...turgid...turgid...

Originally posted by FourFortyFive Latest on the "RETRO" bonus CD is that it IS an HMV tie in that SHOULD extend to all territories. Furthermore, despite the fact that the packaging was not designed for 5 discs, it will be included within the "RETRO" box....turgid...turgid...turgid...

Erk. sounds messy.

Is the glue for the CD holders going to be a bit better than heart&soul? mine fell to bits....

hi guys, i'm a long time forumer, first time poster...

so, is that 3000 spread out all across the world OR will it be the first 3000 for every country:

uk- 3000 france - 3000 canada - 3000

etc.

from hmv.ca website: "Thank you for your message.

We would like to inform you that we are in the process of checking with our suppliers to see if the item is available to Canada. We will notify you as soon as possible.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to reply to this message. "

Good job Nic, thats what Mod's are for

there was no need to sour such a positive and helpful thread.

im just as excited as (almost) everyone else about this upcoming treat :)

Nice one quarter to five!! :D

what do you think? preordering the retro box at amazon.co.uk what are the chances getting the extra cd?

well...i really don't know what to do. I pre-ordered "retro" from Amazon Germany where it's labelled as an UK-import. But, is this "HMV only" officially confirmed ??? I have a HMV in Frankfurt...damn...should i delete my order at Amazon? DAMN, I MUST HAVE THE LIMITED EDITION grrrrrrrrrr

Originally posted by Spotnick Consider shaun carruthers to have his posting previledges suspended until further notice.. I will delete his messages.Thank you very much.

Originally posted by Spotnick This thread is almost the most popular in NOOL's history. If New Order wanted to cause some interest, I think they did!

its also created about 20 new members in the last few days!

the tracklisting sounds suspiciously familiar though. kinda like what was posted in an earlier thread giving a "fantasy" retro tracklisting. in fact, exactly like if i remember correctly. hmmmm. either someone is finally listening to the fans, or this is all a hoax.

hi all -

i'm also hoping to get my hands on this...especially the limited edition. anyone know of ties to north america?

also, i'm really embarassed to ask, but...

what the heck is "hmv" :)

thx,

ted

ahh..thx happy one. as much as they were mentioned in this thread i thought they were somehow affiliated with NO.

H.M.V. = "His Masters Voice". The most famous record label in the world I reckon with the most recognisable centre labels of any record company - the one with the dog listening to the old 78 rpm "gramophone"...

Originally posted by FourFortyFive H.M.V. = "His Masters Voice". The most famous record label in the world I reckon with the most recognisable centre labels of any record company - the one with the dog listening to the old 78 rpm "gramophone"...

Seriously? Or are you being British? Not that being British is bad... since I am that.

Unfortunately HMV only has stores in 4 different states in the US (Georgia, NY, Mass. and Ohio). So if the limited edition 5th CD makes it to the US through HMV they won't be widely available to most of us.

Hi fellow NOOLers:

I e-mailed HMV.ca about the Ltd Ed of Retro and received the following reply:

"Thank you for your message. The New Order "Retro/4 CD set" that is in your order is the only "Retro" CD that HMV.com is offering; we are unaware of any 'limited edition' printed sets. Nevertheless your item has 57 songs which include rarities, B-sides and live tracks."

I hope they have it or else I'll be mighty :\pissedoff:

Hello..new member to the board, long time NO fan. As a canadian citizen i do hope I get a chance to purchase the retro bonus set and not have to resort to ebay for it :|

As can be seen on the HMV website that we've all been visiting a lot lately:

is retro out in the uk on the 2nd or the 9th of december? it seems to be down as one or the other date in different places.

Originally posted by jezk is retro out in the uk on the 2nd or the 9th of december? it seems to be down as one or the other date in different places.

well...check the "postponed" thread then ;)

there is one of those blue plaques for the dog in the hmv label in park avenue in bristol showing where he used to live - ridiculous - its a dog!

HMV do a lot of exclusives, the dvd for 24 had one for instance, usually these are advertised in advance so hopefully the adverts will appear shortly...

Originally posted by Chris Nash > Originally posted by Spotnick> > > > Originally posted by FourFortyFive> > H.M.V. = "His Masters Voice". The most famous record label in the world I reckon with the most recognisable centre labels of any record company - the one with the dog listening to the old 78 rpm "gramophone"...>

It's that RCA? Dog & gramphone?

No - HMV is a subsidiary of Thorn/EMI. The record label came first and the 'logo' was so widely identified with music, that the company adopted it (and the name) for the music chain.

I had the same understanding as Nicolas. What's going on here? How does RCA fit in?

i too emailed hmv.ca and their response was: "Unfortunately, we have contacted a number of our suppliers and we are unable to obtain the Retro/5set Box that you are looking for. We apologize for the inconvenience and hope that you will visit us again in the future."

:(

Nice work once more, JS. It's refreshing to have some feedback from those less removed from the band and management.

Rest assured your efforts are widely appreciated. For financial renumeration, see the fanbase high rollers: Dave Sultan, Big Al, Rocket Mick, etc.

;)

Is the retro album to be released in the uk or is it on import

it will be a uk release Lee see almost every other thread for details!

Sirendisc.com is showing 5 disc set for $52.99.

The bonus disc is great... but... I was really looking forward to the 7" Ceremony and Temptation versions. Also, MTO would have been nice. I do own MP3's of all these already, but I just seems like they could have pulled it off and finally put them on CD for the first time.

Can anyone confirmed that the preorders from HMV.UK are getting the bonus disc? I ordered mine at the 16.99 price. If not, I'm offically changing my name to the Grinch this X-mas.

The webmaster blokey (David Sultan) from WIM site had this to say on his forum:

"London Records confirm that they will be giving away the bonus disc for a limited period of time in all stores that are stocking the box set - it is not exclusive for HMV at all. The Bonus Disc will be packing it in with the booklet inside the box set - not separately."

So then it is London Records' word against the band's management. Who the hell do we trust?!!?? I'd have to go with der management based on London Records' past history.

that is pretty steep. plus their shipping prices are kind of high :| i wonder how they're able to secure stock?

Not really new, been reading the board for a while, but never really posted and had to re-register. i guess that serves me right...yeah, ok, enough of that... HMV in the UK, lists retro as 4 CD's for £27.99, however, scroll down and the limited CD is track-listed and then down at the bottom of the page is this, "Available for a limited time only with 9-track bonus disc." with a scheduled release date of 2/12/02.

i guess i better put in my order....

That must be a new addition. Now if I only I knew if amazon or hmv.com/ca will offer this..argg...

www.hmv.com does not mention the extra CD and the post at the top of the page shows a response someone recieved from www.hmv.com that states they will not be able to get the version with the extra CD...

From HMV.co.uk -

Bonus Disc

1. Temptation 98  
   

2. Transmission (Live At the Big Day Out, 2002)  
   

3. Such A Good Thing  
   

4. Theme From Best & Marsh  
   

5. Let's Go (From 'Salvation' soundtrack)  
   

6. True Faith (Pink Noise Morel Edit)  
   

7. Run Wild (Steve Osborne Original Mix)  
   

8. The Perfect Kiss (Live Take From A Video Shoot)  
   

9. Elegia (Full Version)  
   

Available for a limited time only with 9-track bonus disc

SO does this mean that my pre-order (at the price of £16.99) will definately have this disk?

Also, are HMV.co.uk pre-orders distributed before the allocation to the high street shops themselves? What I mean is, as I have pre-ordered, am I guarenteed the first pick so to speak?

thanks

Matt.

Originally posted by Matt Hicks SO does this mean that my pre-order (at the price of £16.99) will definately have this disk?

I'd imagine almost definately not Matt. Odd though you never mentioned before your pre-order was at £16.99!!! I suppose it makes up for it being a 4 disk set though!!

In all seriousness though I suspect there's just no way you'll know. I suggest waiting for it to arrive through the post and if it's only got 4 CDs run off and look in every shop for a 5 disk set and give the 4 disk one to someone for Christmas. Or maybe HMV will take it back as part of some 'if you are not 100% satisfied deal'.

Drew

amazon.com is listing retro with [extra tracks] could this be the bonus cd? the # is ASIN: B00007FZIN ... is there a way to match this up?

Originally posted by Paresh Pandya amazon.com is listing retro with [extra tracks]could this be the bonus cd?the # is ASIN: B00007FZIN ... is there a way to match this up?

Hmmm well Amazon.co.uk have this Retro listed as Retro [BOX SET] [IMPORT] with that same ASIN. £46.99. So that's all not very clear.

I just preordered it from hmv.co.uk. Hope I get the 5 CD set, otherwise I don't see the point in mentionning it.

I love (I mean loathe) how everyone keeps asking the same question "Is the version that I pre-order from ___ going to have the bonus disk?" Let me answer this REALLY repetative question once and for all... why the heck are you asking us? How the hell would we know? The websites you are ordering from don't even know. When your package arrives in the mail, you will know... until then, please stop asking questions that no one here can accurately answer. It gets annoying after a while, I think I would rather have all the threads go back to complaining about Retro than to see that question a bazillion more times over the next couple of months. You pay your money and you take your chances.

If anyone is going to order from hmv.co.uk buy a Toblerone. You get a £2 off voucher inside the wrapper. Also available with Terry's Chocolate Orange and Dime bars, I assume. Or find a student with a current NUS card; they get 10% off. Nice.

I pre-ordered from HMV.co.uk last week, at a cost of £35, the price has now dropped to £27, and the bonus disc added to the tracklisting... how much am i going to end up paying and will i get the disc?!

Originally posted by Major Tarantino I pre-ordered from HMV.co.uk last week, at a cost of £35, the price has now dropped to £27, and the bonus disc added to the tracklisting... how much am i going to end up paying and will i get the disc?!

Dont be such a lazy git Major!! get ya lazy arse out of bed and down to HMV at the crack of dawn on release day!!!

Originally posted by DoN > Originally posted by Major Tarantino I pre-ordered from HMV.co.uk last week, at a cost of £35, the price has now dropped to £27, and the bonus disc added to the tracklisting... how much am i going to end up paying and will i get the disc?!

Dont be such a lazy git Major!! get ya lazy arse out of bed and down to HMV at the crack of dawn on release day!!!

And while you're at it.....

Originally posted by Budvar Huber

Originally posted by DoN

Originally posted by Major Tarantino I pre-ordered from HMV.co.uk last week, at a cost of £35, the price has now dropped to £27, and the bonus disc added to the tracklisting... how much am i going to end up paying and will i get the disc?!

Dont be such a lazy git Major!! get ya lazy arse out of bed and down to HMV at the crack of dawn on release day!!!

And while you're at it.....

You almost deserve a copy for simply being so quick off the mark their Budvar!!!!

Originally posted by DoN > Originally posted by Budvar Huber> > > > Originally posted by DoN> > > > > > > Originally posted by Major Tarantino > > > I pre-ordered from HMV.co.uk last week, at a cost of £35, the price has now dropped to £27, and the bonus disc added to the tracklisting... how much am i going to end up paying and will i get the disc?!

Dont be such a lazy git Major!! get ya lazy arse out of bed and down to HMV at the crack of dawn on release day!!!

And while you're at it.....

You almost deserve a copy for simply being so quick off the mark their Budvar!!!!

I couldn't agree more!

Originally posted by Budvar Huber

Originally posted by DoN

Originally posted by Budvar Huber

Originally posted by DoN

Originally posted by Major Tarantino I pre-ordered from HMV.co.uk last week, at a cost of £35, the price has now dropped to £27, and the bonus disc added to the tracklisting... how much am i going to end up paying and will i get the disc?!

Dont be such a lazy git Major!! get ya lazy arse out of bed and down to HMV at the crack of dawn on release day!!!

And while you're at it.....

You almost deserve a copy for simply being so quick off the mark their Budvar!!!!

I couldn't agree more!

Now theres a surprise!! ;)

Originally posted by DoN > Originally posted by Major Tarantino I pre-ordered from HMV.co.uk last week, at a cost of £35, the price has now dropped to £27, and the bonus disc added to the tracklisting... how much am i going to end up paying and will i get the disc?!

Dont be such a lazy git Major!! get ya lazy arse out of bed and down to HMV at the crack of dawn on release day!!!

I've ordered it now....

I sent an email to HMV.co.uk to see if I was getting the bonus CD. Their reply:

Dear xxxx,

Thank you for your recent email.

Re:NEW ORDER - RETRO BOX SET + BONUS CD.

It is likely that we will be able to send you the bonus CD, however we cannot guarantee this. We are waiting to hear from Warner Brothers who will be supplying us with the stock.

Kind regards

Sharon Lane CUSTOMER SERVICES HMV.co.uk

I am so excited about getting the extra disk - It will be even cooler in 2 years when people are paying $80 for the 5 disk set, and there is weeping and nashing of teeth.