WHO IS NEW ORDERS GREATEST FAN? — Forum Archive

3 Mar 2003, 23:59

Originally posted by Grell > Originally posted by CONVICT # FACD.50 > > > > Originally posted by Grell> > wow, you have to listen to more music than new order. as great as they are, there is so much more out there--that is completely relevant to the now. > > .yeah.>

Name me another band that can make you feel GLAD,SAD,MAD AND BAD IN 6 minutes.I just might listen to it. Grell, are you on the heavy drugs yet?

hmmm. not sure what you mean by the heavy drug usage comment. :shrug: don't take my comment as a personal assault, as it was not. NO is one of my all time favourite bands(if not my favourite, that title could be usurped by JD though), so its not as if i *don't* relate to the feelings evoked by their music. simply put, there is other music out there that is exciting etc. and it could be worthwhile to search it out, sorry if it came out as arsehole-ish. and of course i can't recommend music that compares to NO. :)

Grell,how can you be an arsehole, your a new order fan? I read your profile it states that one of your passions is drinking steinlagers. ALCOHOL KILLS.My proffesion during the day is as a chemist i prepare around 150 scripts a week for alcohol related diseases. Trust me the hard shit is better.

4 Mar 2003, 00:44

... ahhh, nevamind then! but the harder stuff, its a work in progress. j/k! :)

4 Mar 2003, 03:07

Originally posted by -1 did you ever notice that i never talkfondly/positively of anything past 'touched by the hand of God',there's a reason for that (and the fact i haven'treally listened to them/taken them seriously) inthe last, oh say, 15 years..later|| | || | ||ne g ativ e1

Then why bother at all? You post fairly heavily across a variety of forums - how can you say you don't care when you spend so much time posting everywhere, and obviously take a lot of time analysing their work.

I'd hate to see how much time you spend on something you genuinely DO care about!!

4 Mar 2003, 09:53

Has anyone done a comparison of the water in Cairns and Chorley?

:\pimp3:

4 Mar 2003, 10:50

Originally posted by depthcharge Has anyone done a comparison of the water in Cairns and Chorley?:\pimp3:

No way, Depthy!

4 Mar 2003, 12:12

Originally posted by Al Jarvis Then why bother at all? You post fairly heavily across a variety of forums - how can you say you don't care when you spend so much time posting everywhere, and obviously take a lot of time analysing their work. I'd hate to see how much time you spend on something you genuinely DO care about!!

kraftwerk is my number 1 favorite band, period..

however, they haven't done much in the last 17 years or so (since their last real studio album).. but i haven't done much with their work yet (posting, mixes, etc..as most of its rather easy to find)..

when i say i don't care about 'new order', i mean i don't care about their latter works, or what they've been doing currently...

the release of 'retro' reminded me about how cool they used to be, and how some of the music was really innovative..

and seeing how they missed out on great opportunity to re-release a lot of good material, that's why i'm posting a lot of those mixes/tracks, and making discussion about them..

however, i'm not even going to get into albums like 'brotherhood', 'technique','republic', or 'get ready'....because they don't do anything for me..same with the singles from those..

i collected almost all those releases for the sake of collecting them, but i hardly ever listen to them ...

later

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4 Mar 2003, 12:40

That does seem a touch blinkered from where I'm standing - dismissing whole swathes of music because they were released after a random date. I think most New Order fans would prefer the likes of Brotherhood's BLT or a Regret or Crystal over something along the lines of We All Stand. I don't see why you like some tracks, and not others simply because of the year in which they were released.

Is someone now going to tell us they only like New Order tracks with the letter 't' somewhere in their title? It does seem as churlish.

Maybe you were a hardcore New Order fan from 80-85, perhaps as far as 87, then lost interest in the band (let's face it, quite a few did) and all the output thereafter. However, you post enough on various forums to suggest otherwise but I do find it a tad unreal that you still have a passion for tracks from nigh-on twenty years ago, and little since.

4 Mar 2003, 13:38

Originally posted by depthcharge Has anyone done a comparison of the water in Cairns and Chorley?:\pimp3:

:jawdrop: DEPTHY...Spit it out!What are you trying to say.I ain't had a real drinking session for 7 weekends!NO ALCOHOL at all over the weekends but 1 pint per day at lunch.So come on...credit were credits due!And i am drinking lots of water and playing badminton(i kid you not) so this could be the NEW REVIVED ROCKET you are dealing with.So quit the insults!:D

4 Mar 2003, 14:07

Originally posted by Al Jarvis That does seem a touch blinkered from where I'm standing - dismissing whole swathes of music because they were released after a random date. I think most New Order fans would prefer the likes of Brotherhood's BLT or a Regret or Crystal over something along the lines of We All Stand. I don't see why you like some tracks, and not others simply because of the year in which they were released. Is someone now going to tell us they only like New Order tracks with the letter 't' somewhere in their title? It does seem as churlish.Maybe you were a hardcore New Order fan from 80-85, perhaps as far as 87, then lost interest in the band (let's face it, quite a few did) and all the output thereafter. However, you post enough on various forums to suggest otherwise but I do find it a tad unreal that you still have a passion for tracks from nigh-on twenty years ago, and little since.

:nod: I agree, I'm sure I mentioned something like this on WIM, I find it equally hard to believe someone can congest so many MP3's for people and not care. I suppose he's entitled to his opinion, but I wish the eet the breed would stop clattering boards up with MP3's......Negative, do us a favour and post all yer MP3's in one fucking place.

4 Mar 2003, 14:09

Originally posted by Al Jarvis That does seem a touch blinkered from where I'm standing - dismissing whole swathes of music because they were released after a random date. I think most New Order fans would prefer the likes of Brotherhood's BLT or a Regret or Crystal over something along the lines of We All Stand. I don't see why you like some tracks, and not others simply because of the year in which they were released. Is someone now going to tell us they only like New Order tracks with the letter 't' somewhere in their title? It does seem as churlish.Maybe you were a hardcore New Order fan from 80-85, perhaps as far as 87, then lost interest in the band (let's face it, quite a few did) and all the output thereafter. However, you post enough on various forums to suggest otherwise but I do find it a tad unreal that you still have a passion for tracks from nigh-on twenty years ago, and little since.

:nod: I agree, I'm sure I mentioned something like this on WIM (about not liking stuff after 87) I find it equally hard to believe someone can give many MP3's for people and not care. I suppose he's entitled to his opinion, but I wish the eet the breed would stop clattering boards up with MP3's......Negative, do us a favour and post all yer MP3's in one fucking place :nod:

4 Mar 2003, 15:11

it would be nice to post the mp3's on one site...(however, it would be way too much bandwidth)..

my own site was brought down by people stealing the links, posting them elsewhere..etc... when they were only supposed to be accessed by fans..

imagine if this board had all of them (we would never be able to get on, it would be slow, etc...)

i did not pick a random date to stop liking the group..

here in the US, they never really toured (ok, i saw them twice)... they weren't really promoted until 'bizarre love triangle' and 'true faith' (which i didn't care for)..so there really wasn't a presence or even any news to keep up with them...until 'technique' came out..

i had already moved on..

don't forget, there were other bands worth listening too...in the 90's i got more into electronica/industrial stuff (underworld, 808 state, shamen, deep dish, fluke, skinny puppy, cabaret voltaire, cj bolland, josh wink, dave clarke, darren emerson, etc, etc...)

so the output from 'new order' did not appeal to me, it wasn't going in the direction i was...(NOTE: there's an interesting cross-section of mixes from 'the rest of', that i did like, since some of those mixers actually did some from 'new order'...)...

anyways, after the 'sub-culture' mixes, there's only 'shellshock', and 'state of the nation', 'true faith', 'blue monday 88', and 'touched by the hand of God'.. vinyl/edit/video mixes..

which should just about wrap it up for them..

after that, you're on your own..

yes, i know thats only about 40% of their mixes...but i'm not sure how many other people want all the rest of them...

we'd be here doing this, until the summer, to get the rest of them..

and i would like to finish off my own versions of:

international 2 - 4 disc set w/all the singles
recycle - 25+ disc set w/all the mixes

so i'm going to take time off for that..

later

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4 Mar 2003, 21:46

Originally posted by depthcharge Has anyone done a comparison of the water in Cairns and Chorley?:\pimp3:

The water up here in cairns,it will get you flying......

4 Mar 2003, 22:24

man, i couldn't imagine not listening to new order's 'more recent' material (i.e. post-1987). sure, not everything they've done since has been fantastic, but neither was everything they did before--hell, nobody's perfect. however, what's so wonderful about new order is their consistency: they produce very few marbles of poo and bagfulls of diamonds.

neg. 1: if you don't like what they've put out during the past 15 years or so, that's your prerogative, i just hope it's not due to some silly reason like 'they've become too popular,' translated: 'too commercial.' i'm not saying this is your reason for shunning 'new' NO, but to me those who do adopt this mindset are in fact subliminally shouting: 'i'm trying very, very hard to be different'--which makes them, paradoxically, just like so many others out there.

4 Mar 2003, 22:24

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4 Mar 2003, 23:28

agentwood,

i think in most cases,

its not the group that changed (if in fact their music has retained the 'essence' of 'new order'..)...

ever since the split, and the influence of all their solo projects....(by the way, i do like the 'electronic' side project)...

its me that's changed..

i don't knock the group for trying to continue..(ok, i knock the remixes)...

but the biggest impact from them occurred in the earlier years for me..

if they go that route again, and try to re-invent themselves, perhaps i will listen to them again..

later

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5 Mar 2003, 02:50

Hello Kitty sucks.

5 Mar 2003, 03:49

Originally posted by N21 Hello Kitty sucks.

come now...was that really called for???

5 Mar 2003, 11:49

Originally posted by N21 Hello Kitty sucks.

ooh! someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning! MEOW!

BTW, very profound, very profound.

5 Mar 2003, 16:57

That's not a fan, that's a pity...

5 Mar 2003, 16:59

Go now and buy Stone Roses first album, and VU's first album, and many others. Please...

5 Mar 2003, 17:36

Originally posted by CONVICT # FACD.50 I believe that i am, for one reason alone. I have been listening to new order for 22 years now and i can truthfully say, that my music collection only consists of new order material.In the 22 years that i have been purchasing music I have not spent one cent on any other artists. Music to me is NEW ORDER. All other music to me is just a noise, it causes my brain great pain. Is there anyone out there who has not spent one cent on any other music apart from new order?, and i mean one cent or what ever you currency is.

Obsessed much? Only buying music from one artist is not a sign of a great fan. It is the sign of a fan that thinks their band is the best because they never listen to anyone else's music. If i only read one book, it would be the best book ever... to me, but that doesn't make it so. Without taking in the material from other sources you have no frame of reference to judge one against another. Saying that all music other than NO is noise is really an ignorant comment. Ignorance is not possessing necessary knowledge about a subject, and concerning music, by your own admission, you are ignorant. Devotion is admirable, but blind acceptance without question is not wise... that is one of the main causes of the dark ages. The church and law kept written knowledge to themselves, hoarding books and the like, so they could tell people whatever they wanted... and people would have to accept it because they couldn't research it for themselves and come to their own conclusions. Eventually people realized this and rose up against the church and the law. If you look at many cults in the world, they function under the same thought - expose people to one perspective, then tell them that they will be persecuted for investigating anything else. That way, because they have 1/100000000 of a percent of facts, they can be easily controlled. By excluding all other music (which is really really sad) you have built yourself a nice self fulfilling prophecy. Only investigate one band, think they are the best, never get anyone else's music, which reinforces your belief.

5 Mar 2003, 17:47

Maybe there should be a thread or poll first to determine what the criteria are for being voted the greatest NO fan. Perhaps my cat can be voted for? Doesn't blink an eye whatever song is played at whatever volume; she is just plain happy always (it seems).

5 Mar 2003, 17:52

Originally posted by Positone Maybe there should be a thread or poll first to determine what the criteria are for being voted the greatest NO fan.Perhaps my cat can be voted for? Doesn't blink an eye whatever song is played at whatever volume; she is just plain happy always (it seems).

Yeah, or maybe if they redid Clockwork Orange and made the guy listen to every other band (other than the Order) while showing him terrible disgusting dismemberments and deaths we could create the most loyal fan. Every other band would make him throw up. That would be loyal.

6 Mar 2003, 10:30

This is turning into a wee bi of a ganging up session. Give the fella a break. If your only ever gonna listen to one band it might as well be New Order! Wouldn't we all agree?

6 Mar 2003, 10:46

Originally posted by CONVICT # FACD.50 > Originally posted by Grell> > > > Originally posted by CONVICT # FACD.50 > > > > > > > Originally posted by Grell> > > wow, you have to listen to more music than new order. as great as they are, there is so much more out there--that is completely relevant to the now. > > > .yeah.> > >

Name me another band that can make you feel GLAD,SAD,MAD AND BAD IN 6 minutes.I just might listen to it. Grell, are you on the heavy drugs yet?

hmmm. not sure what you mean by the heavy drug usage comment. :shrug: don't take my comment as a personal assault, as it was not. NO is one of my all time favourite bands(if not my favourite, that title could be usurped by JD though), so its not as if i *don't* relate to the feelings evoked by their music. simply put, there is other music out there that is exciting etc. and it could be worthwhile to search it out, sorry if it came out as arsehole-ish. and of course i can't recommend music that compares to NO. :)

Grell,how can you be an arsehole, your a new order fan? I read your profile it states that one of your passions is drinking steinlagers. ALCOHOL KILLS.My proffesion during the day is as a chemist i prepare around 150 scripts a week for alcohol related diseases. Trust me the hard shit is better.

Whoahhh! Hang on a minuite there geezer. Sure alcohol CAN kill if abused but so can driving your car too fast and eating red meat that's been pumed full of steroids. I'm a big fan of alcohol, I sell it for a living and I consume it on a regular basis. I've done my fair share of recreational drug use in the past as well and I'm of the opinion that alcohol is defineately the lesser of all the evils when it comes to drugs.

Plus, nothing competes with an ice cold pint of Stella on a warm summer afternoon, not even listening to New Order!

6 Mar 2003, 11:05

Originally posted by Grahame&nbspFerguson This is turning into a wee bi of a ganging up session. Give the fella a break. If your only ever gonna listen to one band it might as well be New Order! Wouldn't we all agree?

Yes sure! No problem with that at all I think. My previous reaction was to encourage people to come up with their definition of greatest NO fan. Seems more fun maybe? Define greatest as:

only listen to NO: at least 1 candidate in this category
know 1 or more bandmembers from kindergarten
acquired most band material (CD's, video's, bootlegs, shirts etc.)
attended most gigs
posted most messages to this site
... Just to make sure: I don't think I am the greatest fan and I don't have to be either. Enjoying their music is enough.

6 Mar 2003, 11:10

Originally posted by Grahame Ferguson This is turning into a wee bi of a ganging up session. Give the fella a break. If your only ever gonna listen to one band it might as well be New Order! Wouldn't we all agree?

FUCK, it's taken three days but finally there is someone with sense....I don't have a problem with beer i just prefer chemicals, no street shit here. I'll get you flying on cough lollies...

6 Mar 2003, 11:11

Originally posted by Grahame Ferguson > Originally posted by CONVICT # FACD.50 > > > > Originally posted by Grell> > > > > > > Originally posted by CONVICT # FACD.50 > > > > > > > > > > Originally posted by Grell> > > > wow, you have to listen to more music than new order. as great as they are, there is so much more out there--that is completely relevant to the now. > > > > .yeah.> > > > > >

Name me another band that can make you feel GLAD,SAD,MAD AND BAD IN 6 minutes.I just might listen to it. Grell, are you on the heavy drugs yet?

hmmm. not sure what you mean by the heavy drug usage comment. :shrug: don't take my comment as a personal assault, as it was not. NO is one of my all time favourite bands(if not my favourite, that title could be usurped by JD though), so its not as if i *don't* relate to the feelings evoked by their music. simply put, there is other music out there that is exciting etc. and it could be worthwhile to search it out, sorry if it came out as arsehole-ish. and of course i can't recommend music that compares to NO. :)

Grell,how can you be an arsehole, your a new order fan? I read your profile it states that one of your passions is drinking steinlagers. ALCOHOL KILLS.My proffesion during the day is as a chemist i prepare around 150 scripts a week for alcohol related diseases. Trust me the hard shit is better.

Whoahhh! Hang on a minuite there geezer. Sure alcohol CAN kill if abused but so can driving your car too fast and eating red meat that's been pumed full of steroids. I'm a big fan of alcohol, I sell it for a living and I consume it on a regular basis. I've done my fair share of recreational drug use in the past as well and I'm of the opinion that alcohol is defineately the lesser of all the evils when it comes to drugs.

Plus, nothing competes with an ice cold pint of Stella on a warm summer afternoon, not even listening to New Order!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Pure Genius! Grahame goes all softly when it comes to New Order, asking everyone to give the lad a break, then reads criticism about alcohol and goes ballistic! ;)

And I do agree with you Grahame, nothing´s better than a cold beer after work on a warm afternoon. In one of these chilled glasses... mmmm... beer...

8 Mar 2003, 08:13

What is :beer: ?Never touched it :wink:

9 Mar 2003, 08:41

It has to be either Luciano Pavarotti or failed pop idol, now pro-flab whipping boy, Rik Waller. After all, because of their influence Hooky and Barney are trying their utmost best to try and look like them aren't they?