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What do you think? Is Roman just spending vast amounts of money buying the title or not?
I feel its a bit of both really. They seem to buy an awful lot of players to just sit on the bench. Joe Cole would be first choice at nearly any other Prem club,but is left out most times at Stamford Bridge.
steveone wrote: What do you think? Is Roman just spending vast amounts of money buying the title or not?
I feel its a bit of both really. They seem to buy an awful lot of players to just sit on the bench. Joe Cole would be first choice at nearly any other Prem club,but is left out most times at Stamford Bridge.
fuck remember that Dutch fullback they had. the black fella. what was his name? played for Barca. bad bench warmer on big big bucks.
only three players have come thru the youth system. Terry, Carlton Cole and Jodie Morrison. Terry sole survivor. You can't build a club like that.
Exactly. My best mate supports Liverpool,and i was ribbing him about you falling short on saturday and he replied "Win,lose or draw-come May Chelsea will at the top anyway". Seems like Yourselves,Arsenal and United are all resigned to the idea of fighting it out for 2nd place.
I dont like this "As long as we are in the Champions League" attitude.
Winston Bogarde is the fella, £40,000 a week for doing nowt.
Before starting on one club I'll state my belief that football is rotten to the core with ludicrous wages being paid to 'professionals' and their hangers on. Unless the game takes a reality check it will ruin itself and become a TV sport. Although attendances are supposedly increasing, I'd love to see a chart showing average age of paying spectator over the years, it must be going up.
For me Chelsea are ruining the game, but only at a faster rate than any other clubs Buying all the 'best', ie high profile players doesn't guarante success but will eventually be as close as you can get.
What is also of concern is the way Chelsea have tried to hoover up all the best junior players at Leeds, who have relied on sales of Lennon, Walton, Robinson, Kewell etc to keep them afloat. If these players were lost at youth level as has now happened then Leeds would have gone under. If Chelsea buy up the best young talent this country has to offer they are also financially underminiig every club in the country.
Chelsea have the money to make any fines meaningless and as a result are doing pretty much as they like. Until the FA and UEFA are prepared to hit them with more serious sanctions they will continue to do the same.
ta J
its been burnin me head out all morning. haha where's he now? Saudi or the Emirates. must be.
little kids can't even become a mascot these days without the clubs charging big fuck off fees by the sponsors.
I guess Ridsdale's blow out on the goldfish was one example of how not to run a club. Shame. because Leeds were good to watch then. Semi finals of the CL and all that. Great to see Bates telling him he aint welcome anymore.
As far as the league goes, it's Chelsea's to lose. The fact is they've got loadsamoney and an half-decent manager, so even when they have a bad day it doesnt make much difference because ManU and Liverpool are gonna have more bad days (like at Sheffield on Saturday).
They wont win the European Cup tho. Luck usually favours the underdogs (and cos Rafa's THE MAN!)
It'll all come crashing down for them eventually (soon hopefully)
Papa Bendi wrote: As far as the league goes, it's Chelsea's to lose. The fact is they've got loadsamoney and an half-decent manager, so even when they have a bad day it doesnt make much difference because ManU and Liverpool are gonna have more bad days (like at Sheffield on Saturday).
They wont win the European Cup tho. Luck usually favours the underdogs (and cos Rafa's THE MAN!) It'll all come crashing down for them eventually (soon hopefully)
Chelsea could be 5 points clear - ALREADY - by the weekend.
Oh FUCK!!!
J.A.K wrote:
Papa Bendi wrote: As far as the league goes, it's Chelsea's to lose. The fact is they've got loadsamoney and an half-decent manager, so even when they have a bad day it doesnt make much difference because ManU and Liverpool are gonna have more bad days (like at Sheffield on Saturday).
They wont win the European Cup tho. Luck usually favours the underdogs (and cos Rafa's THE MAN!) It'll all come crashing down for them eventually (soon hopefully)
Chelsea could be 5 points clear - ALREADY - by the weekend.
Oh FUCK!!!
We coulda been closer last year if we'd beat the Mancs and Chelsea. This year i reckon we'll beat them two but we'll keep gettin slapped by the likes of Sheffield and Bolton (especially if we keep playing weeds likes Kromkamp, Garcia and Zenden) ahhhh well.......
Papa Bendi wrote:
We coulda been closer last year if we'd beat the Mancs and Chelsea. This year i reckon we'll beat them two but we'll keep gettin slapped by the likes of Sheffield and Bolton (especially if we keep playing weeds likes Kromkamp, Garcia and Zenden) ahhhh well.......
Garcia had a quiet game didn't he? Probably because he was in a suit in the stand... 
Zenden has looked good so far to me, like a Stevie McMahon in the making, but they're still short of ideas getting into the box. Why did Fowler start?
As for Chelsea......just watching Lamp Frankard kiss his knuckles says it all to me about them 
If Chelsea manage to win the big Cup this season, who's to say Abramovic won't walk away leaving them right in the shite.
Papa Bendi wrote: As far as the league goes, it's Chelsea's to lose. The fact is they've got loadsamoney and an half-decent manager, so even when they have a bad day it doesnt make much difference because ManU and Liverpool are gonna have more bad days (like at Sheffield on Saturday).
They wont win the European Cup tho. Luck usually favours the underdogs (and cos Rafa's THE MAN!) It'll all come crashing down for them eventually (soon hopefully)
Boss Avatar there pal.
where's that hanging?
J.A.K wrote:
Papa Bendi wrote: As far as the league goes, it's Chelsea's to lose. The fact is they've got loadsamoney and an half-decent manager, so even when they have a bad day it doesnt make much difference because ManU and Liverpool are gonna have more bad days (like at Sheffield on Saturday).
They wont win the European Cup tho. Luck usually favours the underdogs (and cos Rafa's THE MAN!) It'll all come crashing down for them eventually (soon hopefully)
Boss Avatar there pal.
where's that hanging?
Me mate e-mailed me it. think he said it was on the side of a car park in cardiff at the west ham game:)
your's isnt bad either!
why thank you RED BROTHER.
KOP's BIRTHDAY ON SATURDAY. A century of being the loudest & most humorous fans in the world. and with THE best flags and banners.
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James Thomas wrote: Winston Bogarde is the fella, £40,000 a week for doing nowt.
Before starting on one club I'll state my belief that football is rotten to the core with ludicrous wages being paid to 'professionals' and their hangers on. Unless the game takes a reality check it will ruin itself and become a TV sport. Although attendances are supposedly increasing, I'd love to see a chart showing average age of paying spectator over the years, it must be going up.
For me Chelsea are ruining the game, but only at a faster rate than any other clubs Buying all the 'best', ie high profile players doesn't guarante success but will eventually be as close as you can get.
What is also of concern is the way Chelsea have tried to hoover up all the best junior players at Leeds, who have relied on sales of Lennon, Walton, Robinson, Kewell etc to keep them afloat. If these players were lost at youth level as has now happened then Leeds would have gone under. If Chelsea buy up the best young talent this country has to offer they are also financially underminiig every club in the country.
Chelsea have the money to make any fines meaningless and as a result are doing pretty much as they like. Until the FA and UEFA are prepared to hit them with more serious sanctions they will continue to do the same.
Nail pretty much hit on the head there Jim. It's not just Chelsea though, the whole game is caught in this vortex of greed, from the individual player to the PLCs manifesting as clubs.
Ten years ago I was U16 Youth Team Manager at Worcester City. We played a useful side in the Youth League with a decent striker. After the match I put in 7 days notice to approach him with a view to signing him, as per league and FA rules for non-contract players. I was contacted by an agent representing this kid, spelling out what the fees would be. For a 16 year old who had been rejected by WBA as a trainee and was playing for Oldbury. Ten years ago, who had got into this kid's head that he needed a bloody agent? I shudder to think what the situation is like now with kid's heads being turned by the vague notion of big cash, even the ones a couple of rungs down the ladder and who have already been turned down by the bigger clubs.
Needless to say, I put the phone down and the kid never got the chance to play for us. Three of my squad that season got taken on at league clubs, one of them made a few appearances but has now ended up back in non-league.
James Thomas wrote: Winston Bogarde is the fella, £40,000 a week for doing nowt.
Before starting on one club I'll state my belief that football is rotten to the core with ludicrous wages being paid to 'professionals' and their hangers on. Unless the game takes a reality check it will ruin itself and become a TV sport. Although attendances are supposedly increasing, I'd love to see a chart showing average age of paying spectator over the years, it must be going up.
For me Chelsea are ruining the game, but only at a faster rate than any other clubs Buying all the 'best', ie high profile players doesn't guarante success but will eventually be as close as you can get.
What is also of concern is the way Chelsea have tried to hoover up all the best junior players at Leeds, who have relied on sales of Lennon, Walton, Robinson, Kewell etc to keep them afloat. If these players were lost at youth level as has now happened then Leeds would have gone under. If Chelsea buy up the best young talent this country has to offer they are also financially underminiig every club in the country.
Chelsea have the money to make any fines meaningless and as a result are doing pretty much as they like. Until the FA and UEFA are prepared to hit them with more serious sanctions they will continue to do the same.
Chelsea are much like the New York Yankees here in baseball. One team with more resources than anyone buying all the best players, using money to overcome all in pursuit of a championship. Some of the stuff you worry about has happened here in the US to an extent. A TV league? Well, TV has far too much say over things like the starting time of games over here. Soon, you'll have no more afternoon games, everything will be on fookin "Prime Time". Ticket prices? Yes, regular people have been largely priced out of the games as well. The good seats, especially in basketball, go to corporate suits who sit on their asses and occasionally clap politely. OK, a bit of exaggeration but you get the idea. So without being a Premiership expert, I know what you guys are worrying about.
One concept used here to combat this, with tremendous success, is the salary cap. American football & basketball have it. Each team can only spend X million dollars on player salary per year. I can't see that happening in the Premiership, though. Perhaps something like baseball would be better, where a cap is set, and teams that exceed it pay a penalty, which is in proportion to the amount they go over. Then that money goes to the other teams in some sort of distribution. Another thing American football does is split TV revenue more or less equally between all of the teams. Rather communist, but it's worked very well for the league. I think there's an even greater disparity between Premiership teams than between NFL teams, so maybe that ain't such a good idea either.
We don't have youth systems the way England does, so nothing comparable, but yes, huge fins would be in order. Perhaps better written rules, too. I mean, are Chelsea actually breaking any rules? If not, or if it's inclear, then the rules need to be rewritten first.
Oh well, my two cents' worth, which probably isn't even worth two cents.
It's hard to swallow some of the aspects of the modern game.
But come kick off time it's all forgotten and it could be 1982 again, apart from the grounds dont stink of piss anymore.
Thats why we keep coming back.
Well, loyal fans do.
Shellshocker wrote:
Chelsea are much like the New York Yankees here in baseball
nah man,
3 years ago my club was called the NY Yankees of football. Richer than the rest with money generated from the club itself. That was possibly a fair comparison.
Chelsea is a very different sitution. To be honest most people I know arent that bothered. Chelsea are largely ignored. Its fake.
They are the Jordans tits of football.
Noodleman wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Chelsea are much like the New York Yankees here in baseball
nah man,
3 years ago my club was called the NY Yankees of football. Richer than the rest with money generated from the club itself. That was possibly a fair comparison.
Chelsea is a very different sitution. To be honest most people I know arent that bothered. Chelsea are largely ignored. Its fake.
They are the Jordans tits of football.
anyway, I still have a crack on matchday, still passionate, so I couldnt give a crap about the 'state of football' :\ohwell:
Why's it different? Your team's revenues aren't generated from the club?
Shellshocker wrote:
Why's it different? Your team's revenues aren't generated from the club?
trust me. Its very different.
We generate our money based on history and success.
Chelsea dont need to generate money. They are an Oligarch's toy. Well, for now.
Noodleman wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Why's it different? Your team's revenues aren't generated from the club?
trust me. Its very different.
We generate our money based on history and success.
Chelsea dont need to generate money. They are an Oligarch's toy. Well, for now.
I was just wondering, not questioning the veracity of your statement. :)
J.A.K wrote: why thank you RED BROTHER.
KOP's BIRTHDAY ON SATURDAY. A century of being the loudest & most humorous fans in the world. and with THE best flags and banners.
WOo hoo!!
true story...
Traditionally, the Stretford End housed United's diehard supporters. In the days before all-seater stadia, it was the main standing area of the ground, accommodating 20,000 standing United fans. The noise and atmosphere of the ground on matchdays still comes mainly from Stretford End, and it was once measured that the roar from the crowd was louder than a jumbo jet taking off.
Flags? 
Only flags you see at OT are in the Family stand attached to kids. 
EDIT: oh and the humorous USA flags in the Muppet corner.
Nah, it stopped being 'beautiful' the first time Peter Beardsley kicked a ball...
Snorri xxx
Salary caps could never work in the Premiership because the teams there take part in the European competitions so unless the caps were set by UEFA there would be no level playing field at that level. In any case, unless the authorities were prepared to ban clubs that breached the salary cap, clubs like Chelsea, Real Madrid and everyone in Italy would just pay over the odds and then any fine on top. UEFA are too scared of G14 or whatever they call themselves to do that.
That lot's domination in the 90's was at least funded by their own success and good financial management and they had a good ticketing policy that kept prices well below most other clubs.
Just been to see Leeds v Chester and met up with a lad I used to go all over with in the eighties. He's started going away a lot more since relegation because it's more like the old days - a right good laugh rather than the sterile trips away in the premiership. Apparently all the old faces have started to surface because of this, many had been put off travelling for years because of the Premiership package, now it's a good day out with a bit of football thrown in. Still can't afford it though
J.A.K wrote:
steveone wrote: What do you think? Is Roman just spending vast amounts of money buying the title or not?
I feel its a bit of both really. They seem to buy an awful lot of players to just sit on the bench. Joe Cole would be first choice at nearly any other Prem club,but is left out most times at Stamford Bridge.
fuck remember that Dutch fullback they had. the black fella. what was his name? played for Barca. bad bench warmer on big big bucks.
only three players have come thru the youth system. Terry, Carlton Cole and Jodie Morrison. Terry sole survivor. You can't build a club like that.
winston bogarde
It's more than just Roman's spending sprees, Mourinho's arrogance really seems to tick people off. You just want to strangle the guy with his scarf. Chelski are becoming to the Premiership what Juventus was to Serie A. I don't think Chelsea are actually cheating, but people do love to hate them.
At the other end of the spectrum, Man U fans are upset with Glazer because they're afraid he'll run the club too much like a business. The sad truth of the matter is that football is a business and the fans are merely cheering for players who really have little allegiance to their teams beyond their paychecks. If you think about it too much, you're bound to become cynical. Like most professional sports, gambling is largely what keeps interest alive.
Some owners are in it for the ego, others are in it for the money. I guess that's what makes the World Cup so great. You can't just buy one; your country actually has to have the talent.
D'oh! wrote:
At the other end of the spectrum, Man U fans are upset with Glazer because they're afraid he'll run the club too much like a business.
oh no no no no....
bit wide of the mark that.
I dont think they`re cheating,just maybe there should be a limit on how much you can spend each season on players.
J.A.K wrote:
I guess Ridsdale's blow out on the goldfish was one example of how not to run a club. Shame. because Leeds were good to watch then. Semi finals of the CL and all that. Great to see Bates telling him he aint welcome anymore.
For the first time in aeons we won at Elland Road and broke the hoodoo and then they got relegated. Would like to see them back in the Prem though the Man U matches always got a bit lively.
PHD wrote:
J.A.K wrote:
I guess Ridsdale's blow out on the goldfish was one example of how not to run a club. Shame. because Leeds were good to watch then. Semi finals of the CL and all that. Great to see Bates telling him he aint welcome anymore.
For the first time in aeons we won at Elland Road and broke the hoodoo and then they got relegated. Would like to see them back in the Prem though the Man U matches always got a bit lively.
yeah...leeds are one the biggest clubs in the land. no doubt. much bigger than say Chelsea, Magpies etc.
not one the old big five though, of:-
Us Youse Arse Yoo and Spurs.
bring back the old BIG FIVE days. then we'd have a proper Championship battle.
Well done to Boro 
I'm sure it'll give Mr. Mickle just another reason for 
because of increased expectations, you won't be able to quit following them just yet 
Dunno about Chlesea ruining the beautiful game, but Yakubu should have broke the net with that free header,he must have a fifty pence piece where his head should be....
Happy with this one Hub?
