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Uefa backtracks on Liverpool fans

Platini does not want a repeat of the confusion from Athens Uefa president Michael Platini has denied that Liverpool fans are the worst-behaved in Europe. Uefa spokesman William Gaillard made the claim after trouble at the Champions League final, but Platini has now backtracked on those remarks.

"No they are not the worst behaved in Europe," said Platini. "It's official, they are not the worst behaved."

Platini was speaking after a meeting with Sports minister Richard Caborn about the problems in Athens.

Interview: Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard Interview: Uefa spokesman William Gaillard

Platini wants to make sure we don't have a repeat of events in Athens

Sports minister Richard Caborn

The Frenchman added: "This is an old story. We know about this, it is just that more English fans follow their clubs than those from other countries.

"It is not as if one set of fans are good or one set bad. This is not the question in the end. We cannot go around saying that."

Uefa says it will use Caborn's suggestions to try to avoid a repeat of the problems at the final between Liverpool and AC Milan.

Caborn met Platini to receive a report on the problems caused by ticketless Reds fans at the Olympic Stadium.

Platini approved of Caborn's idea for a working party to be set up by Uefa to find suitable venues for future finals.

Caborn said: "It was a very useful and constructive meeting."

Platini's report outlined 25 incidents involving Liverpool away from home in Europe since 2003.

Before meeting Platini in Brussels, Caborn had appealed for Uefa to stop blaming Reds fans for the ticket problems which had dogged the final in Athens.

606: DEBATE What is the best way to avoid similar problems in the future?

Caborn said: "Platini wants to make sure we don't have a repeat of events in Athens. We want to learn from the past and make sure we can have safe grounds for supporters.

"I suggested they set up a working party, which was well-received by Platini, and I have offered the expertise of the Football Licensing Authority who are respected on a worldwide basis.

"They'll be looking at major European finals and I hope they can start setting some standards for clubs entering the competitions that they have to meet certain criteria."

Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks had reacted angrily to Gaillard's condemnation of fans' behaviour.

He said: "The guy from Uefa who said that doesn't know what he's talking about.

"Uefa did not handle this right at all. To give 17,000 tickets to the two teams, particularly knowing Liverpool are going to bring 40,000 fans, is insane.

"It's a classic case of a bureaucrat trying to take the pressure off himself. They didn't handle it right, they didn't have proper ticketing procedures and unfortunately there were counterfeit tickets.

"There were fans who paid their hard-earned money to get their tickets and they get to the stadium and are told there is no more room."

Meanwhile, Steven Gerrard has laid the blame at Uefa's door, despite fierce criticism of Liverpool supporters who got into the stadium in Athens for their 2-1 defeat without tickets.

Maybe a minority of Liverpool fans have let themselves down

Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard

Gerrard, however, claims his friends and family who went to the final all found the organisation lacking - and even the club's hotel facilities laid on by Uefa were not good enough.

"It upsets me because we've travelled everywhere together for the six or seven years I've been in the first team," he said.

"From what I've seen their behaviour has been fantastic. So it surprises me to hear that.

"I had friends and family at the final. Their opinion was that the organisation wasn't good enough.

"I'm sure when it all gets broken down they will conclude that the organisation wasn't good enough and maybe a minority of Liverpool fans have let themselves down.

"But as far as I'm concerned the European Cup final has got to be in a bigger stadium with better organisation.

"Our set-up wasn't good enough either. Our hotel facilities weren't good enough."

Uncle Liam wrote: Wkipedia- incredibly neutral.

Yeah, because Lord Justice Taylor and the Health and Safety Executive are both liars aren't they?

And if you think the Wikipedia entry is wrong, maybe you should edit it so it fits in with your totally arrogant and ignorant view of what happened at Hillsborough. But somehow I don't think you will.

recycle wrote: Uefa backtracks on Liverpool fans

You've just spent the last few days telling us what lying bastards UEFA are. You may have a point.

Uncle Liam wrote: Wkipedia- incredibly neutral.

What source are you using incidentally, The Sun, Red Issue, someone down at Sam Platts?

football and being at the match can do strange things to a normally law-abiding citizen.

At least Uefa got it WRONG, and admitted it.

I wonder where Liam gets his experience of all these disasters from. Coz he sure as hell wasn't there, and I'd bet he knows no one that was there either.

As mentioned previously, John, at least four Nottingham Forest fans who were there. Funny how none of their fans were involved, isnt it?

nutjob.

massive club Forest. massive.

just sack it now.

No more slagging off LFC and its fans gobshite.

you know nothing about football.

King John Honest John wrote: nutjob.

massive club Forest. massive.

just sack it now.

No more slagging off LFC and its fans gobshite.

you know nothing about football.

What a truly fantastic argument!

Uncle Liam wrote: As mentioned previously, John, at least four Nottingham Forest fans who were there. Funny how none of their fans were involved, isnt it?

What would they know of our experiences getting into the smaller section of the ground, we were earmarked despite having a far larger number of fans?

I have no idea what went on at their end.

forest got the Kop.

we got Leppings.

and who took the most fans i wonder

Why were so many ticketless Liverpool fans over in Athens? (3 times the amount that would be able to legally gain access to the stadium)?

Why were Liverpool "fans" stealing tickets from other fans (including kids)and fighting amongst themselves over tickets?

I guess all clubs have their share of tw$ts. And its a shame that this minority tarnishes the reputation of their club.

UEFA made mistakes but my take on it is that Liverpool fans made a rod for their own back.

NO Regret wrote: Why were so many ticketless Liverpool fans over in Athens? (3 times the amount that would be able to legally gain access to the stadium)?

Why were Liverpool "fans" stealing tickets from other fans (including kids)and fighting amongst themselves over tickets?

I guess all clubs have their share of tw$ts. And its a shame that this minority tarnishes the reputation of their club.

UEFA made mistakes but my take on it is that Liverpool fans made a rod for their own back.

Dont say that or Kershaw will beat you up!

NO Regret wrote: Why were so many ticketless Liverpool fans over in Athens? (3 times the amount that would be able to legally gain access to the stadium)?

Why were Liverpool "fans" stealing tickets from other fans (including kids)and fighting amongst themselves over tickets?

I guess all clubs have their share of tw$ts. And its a shame that this minority tarnishes the reputation of their club.

UEFA made mistakes but my take on it is that Liverpool fans made a rod for their own back.

Pretty much the same reason the Mancs were doing most of that at a game with far less significance against Lille. Why no recriminations against them?

King John Honest John wrote: forest got the Kop.

we got Leppings.

and who took the most fans i wonder

Again, someone elses fault.

I wasn't there in 1989, I don't know anyone who was but in 1987 I was at the corresponding game. Coventry City have a much smaller fan base than Leeds United, they got the Kop, we got the Leppings Lane end. While Leeds could have sold the tickets twice over there were empty seats in the Coventry end.

I have to say that the Leppings lane end was packed, too full but I also have to say that from a policing point of view the organisation was excellent. There were plenty of police, all around the ground slowing people up and directing them to the sides. I was not far to the left of the goals and was uncomfortably crushed but at the end of the match everyone got home. I'm not saying mistakes weren't made on a different day but the argument that it was the solely the fault of the police is just crap and as I've said before, with Liverpool fans it's always someone elses fault.

High time Liverpool fans got tht chip off their shoulder and took their share of responsibilty.

Leeds were the worst of the lot in the 80's.

Remember 1990 when Leeds got promoted to the top flight after a weekend of mayhem in Bournemouth.

the only reason there's not much of a mention of the Leeds fans behaviour any more, is coz the teams fuckin crap now, and no one cares about the lower divisions.

James Thomas wrote:

King John Honest John wrote: forest got the Kop.

we got Leppings.

and who took the most fans i wonder

Again, someone elses fault.

I wasn't there in 1989, I don't know anyone who was but in 1987 I was at the corresponding game. Coventry City have a much smaller fan base than Leeds United, they got the Kop, we got the Leppings Lane end. While Leeds could have sold the tickets twice over there were empty seats in the Coventry end.

I have to say that the Leppings lane end was packed, too full but I also have to say that from a policing point of view the organisation was excellent. There were plenty of police, all around the ground slowing people up and directing them to the sides. I was not far to the left of the goals and was uncomfortably crushed but at the end of the match everyone got home. I'm not saying mistakes weren't made on a different day but the argument that it was the solely the fault of the police is just crap and as I've said before, with Liverpool fans it's always someone elses fault.

High time Liverpool fans got tht chip off their shoulder and took their share of responsibilty.

Why is it crap?

The policing was far from excellent, a different inexperienced officer was 'in charge'. Fans weren't directed away from the central pens. No officers slowed people down and none of them knew to close the gate blocking access to the central pens, once they were already full.

To compound this, there was chaos outside, where for over an hour before the game queues built up to a point were it was considered dangerous enough outside that the order was given to open the exit gates.

The fatalaties could easily have been avoided, even at this late stage, as the outer pens weren't anywhere near capacity, as the following pictures illustrate.

You'd do well to click on this and get your facts straight before mouthing off.

James Thomas wrote:

King John Honest John wrote: forest got the Kop.

we got Leppings.

and who took the most fans i wonder

Again, someone elses fault.

I wasn't there in 1989, I don't know anyone who was but in 1987 I was at the corresponding game. Coventry City have a much smaller fan base than Leeds United, they got the Kop, we got the Leppings Lane end. While Leeds could have sold the tickets twice over there were empty seats in the Coventry end.

I have to say that the Leppings lane end was packed, too full but I also have to say that from a policing point of view the organisation was excellent. There were plenty of police, all around the ground slowing people up and directing them to the sides. I was not far to the left of the goals and was uncomfortably crushed but at the end of the match everyone got home. I'm not saying mistakes weren't made on a different day but the argument that it was the solely the fault of the police is just crap and as I've said before, with Liverpool fans it's always someone elses fault.

High time Liverpool fans got tht chip off their shoulder and took their share of responsibilty.

I agree JT. For the record, when Forest played there in 1989, their end was apparently a total sell out. No trouble at their side.

don't respond to the sad cunt Hank.

he knows nothing. we know that.

King John Honest John wrote: don't respond to the sad cunt Hank.

he knows nothing. we know that.

Aye, arguemnts full of holes backed up with nothing of substance.

Is Liam the fat kid who goes to all the shite gigs?

Hank Wiseass© wrote:

King John Honest John wrote: don't respond to the sad cunt Hank.

he knows nothing. we know that.

Aye, arguemnts full of holes backed up with nothing of substance.

Is Liam the fat kid who goes to all the shite gigs?

Liam.... just drop it for fuck sake.

At the end of day 96 football fans never can home from a match. It could have been any team, anyones fans, and anyones father, brother, sister, cousin.

What if it had been any one of your family on that dreadful afternoon??????

Please, lets jst drop this subject now.

King John Honest John wrote:

Leeds were the worst of the lot in the 80's.

Don't tell me, whatever violence Liverpool supporters were involved in it wasn't their fault because there was someone else who was worse.

Pretty strange definition of 'worst' you have. If you must descend to the gutter and set up some comparison of the 80's I don't really see a number of very well publicised riots and two deaths (both Leeds supporters, one murdered by rival supporters and one crushed by a collapsing wall) stands up against 39 dead Juve supporters in one go.

King John Honest John wrote: Remember 1990 when Leeds got promoted to the top flight after a weekend of mayhem in Bournemouth.

Yes I remember it, and it wasn't the worst incident they took part in. A fixture like that was crackers especially after the last match of the season five years before, which did result in the worst incident they took part in. But Leeds fans were responsible for what happened. Still pales into isignificance though.

King John Honest John wrote:

the only reason there's not much of a mention of the Leeds fans behaviour any more, is coz the teams fuckin crap now, and no one cares about the lower divisions.

Yes, they're crap but we were in the lower divisions in the eighties then, so you were watching.

John, your arguments are shite, but now you mention football when was the last time Liverpool won the league?

recycle wrote: Liam.... just drop it for fuck sake.

At the end of day 96 football fans never can home from a match. It could have been any team, anyones fans, and anyones father, brother, sister, cousin.

What if it had been any one of your family on that dreadful afternoon??????

Please, lets jst drop this subject now.

Amen to that.

I find it incredible that anyone can take such glee from the events of Hillsbrough on these boards-and not for the first time in Uncle Liam's case.

What was Al's previous observation? Something like,-the'Uncle' part of Liam's online persona is bordering on Scumbag-or words to that effect.

Well now he is oozing scuzz. He's gone right down in my estimation,with all his Hillsbrough gloating.

And on another serious note...I'll be very interested in the lower leagues soon enough,the way the transfer merry-go-round is knacking the the Boro:(

If anyone sees a bloke by the name of Viduka in a Barcode shirt,put a bullet in the cunt for us would yer?

gloating? get of your high horse will you? I'll quote myself

I'm not suggesting that the people who died were hooligans. No, they were the decent ones who had tickets and got to the match in good time. Not the pissed up ticketless ones who barged in at kick off.

I'd hardly call that gloating. I'm being critical of a certain element and mentality that exists within a certain clubs fans. Spot the Difference?

Only if you mean it Liam,only if you mean it.

You are entitled to your opinion on Liverpool or whatever.. But I was refering more to an earlier post and thread by you, regarding the journalist Kelvin Mckenzie and your overall smugness in reference to the tragedy. You came across as a total loin Beyond that I am not arsed.