that old punk rock year zero mentality...or who here likes old time music?

I think maybe I swallowed that 'no elvis no beatles no rolling stones in 1977' line a bit too enthusiastically (but then I was only 9). I've only finally admitted I do quite like some early Rolling Stones stuff. Even though long before my time they'd turned into a cynical money making machine led by the Ebeezer Scrooge of rock (and including a man who apparently had a sexual relationship with an girl under 16 and got away with it). Its hard to take all that anti-establishment posturing seriously in the light of what they turned out to really be ('street fighting man' indeed). But still, if one blots out everything you know about them the songs are good.

Anyway, as there are folks on this board who weren't born when Love Will Tear Us Apart came out, maintaining this irrational hostility to olden days music seems a bit silly now, so I was wondering what pre-77 music anyone here would recommend, and why?

I tried listening to Pink Floyd, but all that self-concious virtuoso guitar wanking really gets on my nerves. And I'm never ever going to like any band that had Phil Collins in it, so nobody mention Genesis. But there must have been some decent music before 77? Judging from the Dead Presidents soundtrack (about the only pre-punk era music I have) I guess there was plenty of good music by black acts, but what about white boy rock? The Who? Velvet Underground?

WHO'S NEXT is absolute class. The NEW YORK DOLLS The DOORS MOTT THE HOOPLE LED ZEPPELIN and LITTLE JIMMY OSMOND:D

Miles Davis pre-1960 was the fucking man. Coltrane from any period is the dog's bollocks.

Now, straight up rock, I have to give it up for the Beatles. If you don't own Revolver, I'm telling you to go get it. Right now.

I'll wait.

The Stones, from about Satisfaction, up through maybe Sticky Fingers. The Yardbirds, except that Little Games crap at the end. The Animals (first incarnation). The Kinks (pre-70's). The Who, up through Live at Leeds, Who's Next.

To the ones listed already, let me humbly add

The Band Grateful Dead (studio recordings) Johnny Cash Creedance Clearwater Revival Modern Lovers Velvet Underground

The Grateful Dead must die. 10,000 times. What a crock of shite that band is. Sorry, but somebody had to say it.

If you want a REAL sampling of the San Francisco psychedelic bands from the late 60's, try these much, much, much better bands:

Jefferson Airplane (up through Volunteers).

Quicksilver Messenger Service

Country Joe and The Fish (first three or four albums-- and this was actually a Berkeley band).

Hot Tuna (note: Hot Tuna was the bassist and guitarist from Jefferson Airplane, and was always two very different bands: an acoustic blues band, and an electric psychedelic band. Depending on their mood.)

These bands just blow that crock of shite the Grateful Dead out of the water.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr The Grateful Dead must die. 10,000 times. What a crock of shite that band is. Sorry, but somebody had to say it.If you want a REAL sampling of the San Francisco psychedelic bands from the late 60's, try these much, much, much better bands:Jefferson Airplane (up through Volunteers).Quicksilver Messenger ServiceCountry Joe and The Fish (first three or four albums-- and this was actually a Berkeley band).Hot Tuna (note: Hot Tuna was the bassist and guitarist from Jefferson Airplane, and was always two very different bands: an acoustic blues band, and an electric psychedelic band. Depending on their mood.)These bands just blow that crock of shite the Grateful Dead out of the water.

I'd agree with you if you were just discussing their live shows (I can't stand hour-long "jam" sessions, there's just something Phish-y about it), but what I've heard of their studio records is awesome. I love "Casey Jones", "Uncle John's Band", and various other tunes whose titles I can't remember right now

As for Jefferson Airplane, I've only got one thing to say to you.......WE BUILT THIS CITY ON ROCK AND ROLL! There's a crime if I ever heard one.

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr> > > I'd agree with you if you were just discussing their live shows (I can't stand hour-long "jam" sessions, there's just something Phish-y about it), but what I've heard of their studio records is awesome. I love "Casey Jones", "Uncle John's Band", and various other tunes whose titles I can't remember right now > > As for Jefferson Airplane, I've only got one thing to say to you.......WE BUILT THIS CITY ON ROCK AND ROLL! There's a crime if I ever heard one.

Young Trevor, you have much to learn...

"We Built This Shitty" is shite, sung by Starshite.

The Jefferson Airplane was a completely different band.

Try these:

"Today" (single) "Somebody to Love" (single)

After Bathing At Baxters Crown of Creation Volunteers

Quicksilver Messenger Service:

Quicksilver Messenger Service Happy Trails

Then the band changed direction:

Just For Love What About Me Quicksilver

Country Joe and The Fish:

Electric Music for the Mind and Body I Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die Together

Hot Tuna:

Hot Tuna First Pull Up, Then Pull Down Burgers

These first albums were country blues interpretations. Then the band went electric:

The Phosphorescent Rat America's Choice Yellow Fever Hoppkorv

Another band from the same era, but from Southern California:

Spirit:

"Dark-Eyed Woman" (single) "I Got A Line On You" (single) Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus

Trevor, give these a listen, and then tell me that these bands don't blow those GD mfer's out of the water.

Crikey, I forgot the obvious:

Iggy and the Stooges (especially "Raw Power")

May I repeat: The Doors - forget all that Jim Morrison shamanistic rock-god crap and just listen to the music.

Originally posted by dub May I repeat: The Doors - forget all that Jim Morrison shamanistic rock-god crap and just listen to the music.

Yeah, the music itself is great (and when Jim shows up with halfway decent lyrics, you can't beat it)

Roxy Music was fun in the beggining.

Neil Young. Gotta love him.

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope Neil Young. Gotta love him.

True. Don't know what other "older" rocker would've picked Sonic Youth to open up for him on a tour; it was great to hear all the people around me complain about SY just before Neil and Crazy Horse blasted our eardrums with their feedback

marvin gaye, 'what's going on' and 'let's get it on.'

did i mention marvin gaye?

and stevie wonder's 'talking book' and 'innervisions.'

anything by billie holiday.

velvet underground and the kinks highly recommended, as well.

Just scored a free ticket to Neil Young tomorrow night!! Saw him once before at the Phoenix Festival in 96 with Crazy Horse, but can't remember much due to festival intoxication - apparently on his current tour the first half is the Greendale album, then the classics in the 2nd half. This is a great end to a shit week.

Neil Young's one of those guys who I used to think of poorly because he was associated (in my mind, at least) with the hippie music scene of the Sixties. I was incredibly naive, he is a great musician and (whenever I get enough cash) I will plunge into some of his Buffalo Springfield days (love what little I've heard of BS over the years).

While I'm here, let me recommend the Byrds as well. Classic rock that's been reduced in the public's memory to one or two songs but there's great stuff worth checking out.

Originally posted by dub Just scored a free ticket to Neil Young tomorrow night!! Saw him once before at the Phoenix Festival in 96 with Crazy Horse, but can't remember much due to festival intoxication - apparently on his current tour the first half is the Greendale album, then the classics in the 2nd half. This is a great end to a shit week.

Yeah, I saw him on his latest tour back in Auguest or September or whenever they were in Seattle. They play the whole Greendale album with actors acting it out onstage (including Russ Tamblyn, a.k.a. Dr. Jacobi from Twin Peaks) and then an encore of older stuff (such as Rockin' in the Free World, Down By the River, My My Hey Hey (into the Black), etc.). It was the third time I've seen him; I think I also saw him back in 1996 with Crazy Horse and then a few years later on a solo acoustic tour.

Twist's fave dinosaurs Neil Young pre-darkside of the Moon Pink Floyd Beatles--Abbey Road my fave Grateful Dead--except for annoying shit David Bowie --Scary Monsters his last good album the Doors old Rolling Stones The Who Lou Reed and VU dave edmonds the Dillards--bluegrass meets rock

BTW i hate phish

OK, cheers for all the suggestions. I'll check out the Who (as soon as I see something in the library, on sale or on mp3!) and some of the others. I never really got the 'serious' beatles (find sgt pepper annoying), just liked the early simple stuff for nostalgic reasons.

Clearance Clearwater did 'bad moon rising', right? Is that typical of them?

And I've always been put off Neil Young by the fact he was such a right wing Reagan supporter, plus the cringe-worthiness of some of his lyrics I once read. Not that I've ever listened to his music, to be fair.

Originally posted by 404 error OK, cheers for all the suggestions. I'll check out the Who (as soon as I see something in the library, on sale or on mp3!) and some of the others. I never really got the 'serious' beatles (find sgt pepper annoying), just liked the early simple stuff for nostalgic reasons.Clearance Clearwater did 'bad moon rising', right? Is that typical of them?And I've always been put off Neil Young by the fact he was such a right wing Reagan supporter, plus the cringe-worthiness of some of his lyrics I once read. Not that I've ever listened to his music, to be fair.

Yes, Bad Moon Rising is typical of the CCR sound, plus their song Fortunate Son has a dis of ol' Ronnie, when he was the governor of California.

I hear ya on Neil's lyrics, I don't have many of his records, and sometimes his voice can grate, but I can distinctly recall rolling my eyes at the Neil/Sonic Youth show at a couple of songs, though Powderfinger will always remain a favorite song.

I was a huge Neil Young fan...then he came out as a Reagan supporter, and it spoiled his music for me, for years. I've never really appreciated him in the same way since. Now he just strikes me as an aging right-wing hippie.

Originally posted by Green

Yes, Bad Moon Rising is typical of the CCR sound, plus their song Fortunate Son has a dis of ol' Ronnie, when he was the governor of California.

I hear ya on Neil's lyrics, I don't have many of his records, and sometimes his voice can grate, but I can distinctly recall rolling my eyes at the Neil/Sonic Youth show at a couple of songs, though Powderfinger will always remain a favorite song.

Well I thought BMR was a great song, not the kind of sound I associate with that era (not nearly self-indulgent or pompous enough) so I'll give CCR a try...

(And I should have added 'except for 'a day in the life' to my comment on sgt pepper).

And ta again for the everyone's suggestions...

Originally posted by AgentWood marvin gaye, 'what's going on' and 'let's get it on.' did i mention marvin gaye?and stevie wonder's 'talking book' and 'innervisions.'

Agent Wood is so, so right by mentioning those two gents. Before Stevie went complete shit, he was one of the funkiest humans on the planet, and Marvin's, well, Marvin. "What's Going On" went on my personal top ten songs list and the album, as a whole, is quite possibly more relevant today. Maybe that's why all those popsters decided to butcher it.