The American Election

Originally posted by Clockwork C I’m not interested in finishing my dinner for the sake of a starving kid, or self righteousness, I just know that there is enough resources to go around, and its not going round. Our economic system of management is primitive - and our economies - although competitive, are not efficient. We live in very primitive, inefficient times - but not as primitive as your knowledge. Go and read more and stop accusing me of some sort of self appointed "nobility".

All that I am saying is that I hope you become financially successful and are able to help the poor of this world.

Originally posted by Tristan > Originally posted by Clockwork C> I’m not interested in finishing my dinner for the sake of a starving kid, or self righteousness, I just know that there is enough resources to go around, and its not going round. Our economic system of management is primitive - and our economies - although competitive, are not efficient. We live in very primitive, inefficient times - but not as primitive as your knowledge. Go and read more and stop accusing me of some sort of self appointed "nobility".

All that I am saying is that I hope you become financially successful and are able to help the poor of this world.

By becoming financhially successful - as you would have it, I am most proberbally doing so at the expense of the poor of the world. That pretty much a certainty in free market capitalism.

Originally posted by Clockwork C > Originally posted by Tristan> > > > Originally posted by Clockwork C> > I’m not interested in finishing my dinner for the sake of a starving kid, or self righteousness, I just know that there is enough resources to go around, and its not going round. Our economic system of management is primitive - and our economies - although competitive, are not efficient. We live in very primitive, inefficient times - but not as primitive as your knowledge. Go and read more and stop accusing me of some sort of self appointed "nobility".>

All that I am saying is that I hope you become financially successful and are able to help the poor of this world.

By becoming financhially successful - as you would have it, I am most proberbally doing so at the expense of the poor of the world. That pretty much a certainty in free market capitalism. You are correct.

Originally posted by Clockwork C > Originally posted by Tristan> > > > Originally posted by Clockwork C> > I’m not interested in finishing my dinner for the sake of a starving kid, or self righteousness, I just know that there is enough resources to go around, and its not going round. Our economic system of management is primitive - and our economies - although competitive, are not efficient. We live in very primitive, inefficient times - but not as primitive as your knowledge. Go and read more and stop accusing me of some sort of self appointed "nobility".>

All that I am saying is that I hope you become financially successful and are able to help the poor of this world.

By becoming financhially successful - as you would have it, I am most proberbally doing so at the expense of the poor of the world. That pretty much a certainty in free market capitalism.

Ugh, this argument can go forever and has an endless amounts of offshoots and subtopics to debate. You seem to care for the poor of the world, and I hope you can help them in some shape or form.

Sally Struthers cares about the poor also.

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope Sally Struthers cares about the poor also.

She likes to fatten them up, so that when she eats them later on, they are more meaty.

Had a good laugh while driving around Portland early this morning. I was listening to an AM station for a bit to catch the traffic reports. While waiting, the Rush Limbaugh minute came on; in that segment, he started commenting on how Kerry supposedly has lineage with some of the noble families of Europe, even "the Shahs of Persia", and then made some smart ass comment about Kerry's possible cousin, the Ayatollah. If that was supposed to be a joke, it wasn't funny, and Rush should've known better than to say something that like and to place in the minds of his listeners the name of the man most Americans first associated with the modern version of radical Islam with that of Kerry.

It's not that I ever took Rush that serious to begin with, just made me laugh and shake my head.

Originally posted by Green Had a good laugh while driving around Portland early this morning. I was listening to an AM station for a bit to catch the traffic reports. While waiting, the Rush Limbaugh minute came on; in that segment, he started commenting on how Kerry supposedly has lineage with some of the noble families of Europe, even "the Shahs of Persia", and then made some smart ass comment about Kerry's possible cousin, the Ayatollah. If that was supposed to be a joke, it wasn't funny, and Rush should've known better than to say something that like and to place in the minds of his listeners the name of the man most Americans first associated with the modern version of radical Islam with that of Kerry. It's not that I ever took Rush that serious to begin with, just made me laugh and shake my head.

What's even worse is that both Bush and Kerry come from a common ancestor. They are distant relatives... no wonder he doesn't attack Iran...

I believe bush and kerry are neck and neck.

Sorry to get technical, but any presidential election where the current president is standing is more a referendum on the incumbent than anything else. So whether Kerry is popular or not is a tough question, but you are right, he is a boring cunt.

Originally posted by Uncle Liam I believe bush and kerry are neck and neck. Sorry to get technical, but any presidential election where the current president is standing is more a referendum on the incumbent than anything else. So whether Kerry is popular or not is a tough question, but you are right, he is a boring cunt.

further to that, you could argue that theres essentially no difference who wins .

Originally posted by Uncle Liam I believe bush and kerry are neck and neck. Sorry to get technical, but any presidential election where the current president is standing is more a referendum on the incumbent than anything else. So whether Kerry is popular or not is a tough question, but you are right, he is a boring cunt.

He's boring, and no matter what he does, he'll never change his poll numbers (as evidenced by the DNC). By the time of the Republican National Convention, where we will hear Bush speak to the nation and present his case for reelection, then maybe there will be some changes in the polls. Not even ridiculously high oil prices seem to affect Bush's poll numbers.

To answer Shug's question:

Sean Hannity is a right-wing bigot who is a secret homosexual. This should not be held against him, as he is quite open about it when he goes clubbing with his longtime companion, Ollie North (of Iran-Contra fame). They dress as French maids and take turns shoving each other up the ass with well-placed dusters. On weekdays, however, Sean is a staunch defender of the right to free speech. He speaks his mind, you have to listen. And he personally sees to it that as long as he's speaking, whatever comes out of your mouth in response will be label "liberal", the Right's new variation on the "n-word lover" tag that they attached to anyone post-1865 who dared speak against them.

Sean enjoys water-skiing, table tennis, French ticklers, overwrought gesticulating with a phallic pen in one hand, defending America from godless Muslims who don't share his skin color, reaming innocent young Cub Scouts at his summer house, watching autoerotic porn with the whole family, and blowing Pat Robertson. He's never served in war, but he has served in the heady conservative-unfriendly confines of Fox News, a well-known organ for Rupert Murdoch's bile.

Sean is one of Murdoch's biggest studs, and his kennel is decorated with many instances of Sean praising himself. He is above all humble about himself, as his article "How I Won The Iraq War" (Gun and Ammo, February 2004) shows. A friend to all those poor upper-class neo-cons who wet themselves at the very mention of participating in the wars they endorse, Sean needlepoints and designs quilts in his spare time.

Overall, Shug, you're lucky not to know who this jackass is. If you do see him out in the wild, however, don't feed him. He may take that as a sign to dry hump your leg while he rambles on about how dynamic Bush is

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 To answer Shug's question:Sean Hannity is a right-wing bigot who is a secret homosexual. This should not be held against him, as he is quite open about it when he goes clubbing with his longtime companion, Ollie North (of Iran-Contra fame). They dress as French maids and take turns shoving each other up the ass with well-placed dusters. On weekdays, however, Sean is a staunch defender of the right to free speech. He speaks his mind, you have to listen. And he personally sees to it that as long as he's speaking, whatever comes out of your mouth in response will be label "liberal", the Right's new variation on the "n-word lover" tag that they attached to anyone post-1865 who dared speak against them.Sean enjoys water-skiing, table tennis, French ticklers, overwrought gesticulating with a phallic pen in one hand, defending America from godless Muslims who don't share his skin color, reaming innocent young Cub Scouts at his summer house, watching autoerotic porn with the whole family, and blowing Pat Robertson. He's never served in war, but he has served in the heady conservative-unfriendly confines of Fox News, a well-known organ for Rupert Murdoch's bile.Sean is one of Murdoch's biggest studs, and his kennel is decorated with many instances of Sean praising himself. He is above all humble about himself, as his article "How I Won The Iraq War" (Gun and Ammo, February 2004) shows. A friend to all those poor upper-class neo-cons who wet themselves at the very mention of participating in the wars they endorse, Sean needlepoints and designs quilts in his spare time.Overall, Shug, you're lucky not to know who this jackass is. If you do see him out in the wild, however, don't feed him. He may take that as a sign to dry hump your leg while he rambles on about how dynamic Bush is

Hannity is generally makes some smart points in his debated with Allan (sp?) Colmes on his Fox News Show, but as with most political commentators, he tends to exaggerate and be illogically extreme on some other points.

Originally posted by Tristan > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> To answer Shug's question:> > Sean Hannity is a right-wing bigot who is a secret homosexual. This should not be held against him, as he is quite open about it when he goes clubbing with his longtime companion, Ollie North (of Iran-Contra fame). They dress as French maids and take turns shoving each other up the ass with well-placed dusters. On weekdays, however, Sean is a staunch defender of the right to free speech. He speaks his mind, you have to listen. And he personally sees to it that as long as he's speaking, whatever comes out of your mouth in response will be label "liberal", the Right's new variation on the "n-word lover" tag that they attached to anyone post-1865 who dared speak against them.> > Sean enjoys water-skiing, table tennis, French ticklers, overwrought gesticulating with a phallic pen in one hand, defending America from godless Muslims who don't share his skin color, reaming innocent young Cub Scouts at his summer house, watching autoerotic porn with the whole family, and blowing Pat Robertson. He's never served in war, but he has served in the heady conservative-unfriendly confines of Fox News, a well-known organ for Rupert Murdoch's bile.> > Sean is one of Murdoch's biggest studs, and his kennel is decorated with many instances of Sean praising himself. He is above all humble about himself, as his article "How I Won The Iraq War" (Gun and Ammo, February 2004) shows. A friend to all those poor upper-class neo-cons who wet themselves at the very mention of participating in the wars they endorse, Sean needlepoints and designs quilts in his spare time.> > Overall, Shug, you're lucky not to know who this jackass is. If you do see him out in the wild, however, don't feed him. He may take that as a sign to dry hump your leg while he rambles on about how dynamic Bush is

C'mon, Tris, stand up to that! I thought S.H. was your boy

:p

Hannity is a pretty smart guy; on Foxnews he seems to be right on many points (as long as he doesn't talk about family values and such :barf: ). Maybe he seems smart just because Colmes is such an idiot. I don't know how he is on his radio show.

BTW, did anyone catch the NY Times article connecting everyone involved with the Kerry swift boat attack ad to Karl Rove, who happens to be probably the most influential Bush advisor.

Originally posted by Tristan Hannity is a pretty smart guy; on Foxnews he seems to be right on many points (as long as he doesn't talk about family values and such :barf:). Maybe he seems smart just because Colmes is such an idiot. I don't know how he is on his radio show.

He's an ass either way

I don't know, he's too much of a "Rush's golf caddy" to me. I think Limbaugh's a dick, but he's been at it longer, he's a master craftsman of BS. Hannity, by comparison, seems like the eager little kiss-ass who wants to impress Big Hero Rush and (I think) makes himself out to be a Johnny-Come-Lately. I'll take the cranky old man schtick of P.J. O'Rourke any day over the puppy-tail-wagging eagerness of Hannity any day.

Originally posted by Tristan BTW, did anyone catch the NY Times article connecting everyone involved with the Kerry swift boat attack ad to Karl Rove, who happens to be probably the most influential Bush advisor.

I had not heard that.......but it's just another lie of the liberal media, of course. You can't trust a left-wing organ like the NY Times.....

Sincerely, National Review readers

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by Tristan> BTW, did anyone catch the NY Times article connecting everyone involved with the Kerry swift boat attack ad to Karl Rove, who happens to be probably the most influential Bush advisor.

I had not heard that.......but it's just another lie of the liberal media, of course. You can't trust a left-wing organ like the NY Times.....

Sincerely, National Review readers

What I don't trust about the NY Times report is that most of their evidence state that Rove and these people were in contact in some campaigns in 1986, but they really fail to connect the guy in Texas to Rove & Bush today.

Originally posted by Tristan > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> > > > Originally posted by Tristan> > BTW, did anyone catch the NY Times article connecting everyone involved with the Kerry swift boat attack ad to Karl Rove, who happens to be probably the most influential Bush advisor.>

I had not heard that.......but it's just another lie of the liberal media, of course. You can't trust a left-wing organ like the NY Times.....

Sincerely, National Review readers

What I don't trust about the NY Times report is that most of their evidence state that Rove and these people were in contact in some campaigns in 1986, but they really fail to connect the guy in Texas to Rove & Bush today.

Who knew there were so many damn Danes in the Retardican Party today? Cnuts every one.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr > Originally posted by Tristan> > > > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> > > > > > > Originally posted by Tristan> > > BTW, did anyone catch the NY Times article connecting everyone involved with the Kerry swift boat attack ad to Karl Rove, who happens to be probably the most influential Bush advisor.> > >

I had not heard that.......but it's just another lie of the liberal media, of course. You can't trust a left-wing organ like the NY Times.....

Sincerely, National Review readers

What I don't trust about the NY Times report is that most of their evidence state that Rove and these people were in contact in some campaigns in 1986, but they really fail to connect the guy in Texas to Rove & Bush today.

Who knew there were so many damn Danes in the Retardican Party today? Cnuts every one.

Hey I bet you just love what Dole said about Kerry.

President Mofo: Leader of the free world? Nah.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr President Mofo: Leader of the free world? Nah.

Eh, this'll have no bearing on the election. There hasn't been a president with great foreign policy for ages. I bet after four years of Kerry (and more bombings of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade ), the world would love to see Kerry lose the 2008 election.

Clinton seemed to keep the peace in Israel. Bush dropped the ball there. Took Clinton to save the Bosnians.

But 911 was planned under his watch. Deals with North Korea allowing them to work on nukes. Sudan offering to had over bin Laden. Iraq telling the UN and everyone else to fuck off.