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For those in the know - EzTorrent R.I.P

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It was too good to last, it was only matter of time until some boring old farts stuck their noses in where they wern't required:

April 6, 2005, 16:00 GMT

Hello gals and guys,

We're very sorry having to tell you that we had to shut down EZT just a couple of minutes ago.

We got a call from our provider, they had received a few letters from a couple of lawyers. They requested EZT to be shut down immediately, otherwise we and the hosting service would be sued.

As you may imagine, we do not have the funds to fight a battle we most probably can't win anyway.

We would like to thank everyone here for their contributions to EZT, one way or the other, for sharing the music, sharing an ideal, for all your mails, rants, praises...

To say it with Joan Armatrading:

We had fun, fun, fun, fun fun, fun, fun, fun we had fun -- while it lasted... --"Tall in the Saddle"-- You all take good care!

The EZT team:

diana_woei dnbmusic erwe featfanmike fredgermany harm JimmyMack jupiter2101 MissMarple nightshifted nullmodem phantom51 Penix059 raytobe simplex

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I have yet to hear any coherent explanation as to why it's OK to steal from artists.

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... 'bleep-bleep' --- no coherent explanation available --- (please insert a coin to continue the call - please insert a coi.......... toodlebeep)... :music:

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:laugh:

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Where to next?

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bLuE oRdEr wrote: I have yet to hear any coherent explanation as to why it's OK to steal from artists.

is it a crime to steal from thieves?? most artists ,well in fact99% of em have been stealing a living as it is. and now that joe public has a chance to "sample" their wares before forking hard earned cash for whatever it may be , DVD?CD ect and deciding whether to purchase an item or not,is hardly stealing. factomundo ,more cds,and dvds have been sold in the last 12 months in the uk than in any other 12 month period before?? online downloading is killing music,film ect my ass. i can remember back in the 70s when 7"single had stickers on the sleeves stating (home taping is killing music) thats the exact phrase. the greedy media industry wants to drop its prices in the uk and then they may have a case for whining. interesting point,why does a cd in the u.s.a cost less than half the cost in the u.k.?

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mike powell wrote:

bLuE oRdEr wrote: I have yet to hear any coherent explanation as to why it's OK to steal from artists.

is it a crime to steal from thieves?? most artists ,well in fact99% of em have been stealing a living as it is. and now that joe public has a chance to "sample" their wares before forking hard earned cash for whatever it may be , DVD?CD ect and deciding whether to purchase an item or not,is hardly stealing. factomundo ,more cds,and dvds have been sold in the last 12 months in the uk than in any other 12 month period before?? online downloading is killing music,film ect my ass. i can remember back in the 70s when 7"single had stickers on the sleeves stating (home taping is killing music) thats the exact phrase. the greedy media industry wants to drop its prices in the uk and then they may have a case for whining. interesting point,why does a cd in the u.s.a cost less than half the cost in the u.k.?

I don't believe for a nanosecond that most people who download are "sampling the wares" before making a purcahse decision. I just read a news article about the growing incidence of muggings on NYC subways. The objects of the thieves' attention are ipods. One whiner complained that he lost 12,000 songs when his ipod was jacked. 12,000. Does anybody seriously believe this guy purchased 12,000 songs at what, $1 a pop? Does anybody seriously believe that the whiner was only "sampling the wares" before deciding what to purchase? Poor little whiner. He committed 12,000 individual acts of theft, and now some thief stole it all from him. Boo fucking hoo.

If people think the artists are "thieves," why patronise them at all? Why not boycott them? The simple fact is, the artists have created something people want, and given a choice between paying the artists, or jacking it out the backdoor, a lot of the artists' "fans" apparently feel perfectly fine about jacking it out the back door, all the while complaining about what thieves the artists are.

I don't like the price of CD's either, but the artists only get a miniscule percentage of the total price. There's a lot more in the price of a CD than the artist's share. For example, labels have to pay for overhead, promotion, signing fees, pressing, recording time... Not every artist on a label returns a profit to the label, either. The successful artists pump enough money back into the label to enable the label to take chances on other artists that aren't guaranteed sellers. Take any label, think about the artists on that label, and then ask, which of those artists are guaranteed to return a profit, and which of those artists the label is taking a chance on, because they have million-selling artists pumping enough money into the label to support the risk. Does any music lover really believe that music would be better if only the artists guaranteed to sell could get signed? Would the world be a better place if Warners dropped New Order and kept the likes of Madonna and Eric Clapton?

I don't like buying a CD and discovering that there's only one good song on the entire CD, either. That's when I feel ripped off. Here's a simple solution to separate the "samplers" from the thieves: Free downloads of 45 second samples of every song on every CD. That's enough sampling time for someone to decide if they like the CD enough to fork over their hard-earned cash. Then, anybody who downloads the entire CD isn't "sampling" before making a "purchasing decision," they're stealing.

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Good idea Blue, the 45 second sampling thingie. But EZT was not about stealing released material. It was about sharing stolen live recordings that the bands never released no matter how shitty they (the recordings) were.

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twist wrote: Good idea Blue, the 45 second sampling thingie. But EZT was not about stealing released material. It was about sharing stolen live recordings that the bands never released no matter how shitty they (the recordings) were.

Correct, which is why I don't understand why record company lawyers are getting their knickers in a twist.

The only people who are losing a source of income are bootleggers who sell their wares at places like Camden Market. Why are corporate lawyers defending them?

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maybe the guy who was mugged owned 1,200 cds.

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Could be.

Still, all those downloads end up somewhere...how many people who download to "sample before purchasing" delete everything that they decide not to purchase?

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Kevin Smith wrote:

twist wrote: Good idea Blue, the 45 second sampling thingie. But EZT was not about stealing released material. It was about sharing stolen live recordings that the bands never released no matter how shitty they (the recordings) were.

Correct, which is why I don't understand why record company lawyers are getting their knickers in a twist.

The only people who are losing a source of income are bootleggers who sell their wares at places like Camden Market. Why are corporate lawyers defending them?

I'm taking a guess here that it's because the labels have an exclusive right to all recordings by artists on their roster. I'm taking a guess that allowing someone else to distribute unauthorized recordings probably puts them in a legal position of losing the exclusive rights they have if they don't enforce those rights.

I think from the artist's perspective, they want artistic control over what's released.

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Some bands encourage it. Look at The Grateful Dead. Look at New Order. Why did Hooky leave all those SBDs in a hotel room?

But some asshat selling them on Ebay breaks the bootlegger code. They were not sharing the groove anymore.

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Well, I agree with you there. If the band lets or encourages the fans to trade tapes, I think that's within the bands rights, and there's nothing wrong with that. If that's the case, it makes more sense to prosecute the asshat selling on Ebay than to shut down a site the band tolerates/encourages.

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EZT was not shut down. It was run off by threats from lawyers.

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bLuE oRdEr wrote:

Kevin Smith wrote:

twist wrote: Good idea Blue, the 45 second sampling thingie. But EZT was not about stealing released material. It was about sharing stolen live recordings that the bands never released no matter how shitty they (the recordings) were.

Correct, which is why I don't understand why record company lawyers are getting their knickers in a twist.

The only people who are losing a source of income are bootleggers who sell their wares at places like Camden Market. Why are corporate lawyers defending them?

I'm taking a guess here that it's because the labels have an exclusive right to all recordings by artists on their roster. I'm taking a guess that allowing someone else to distribute unauthorized recordings probably puts them in a legal position of losing the exclusive rights they have if they don't enforce those rights.

You never see them down a market or car boot sale...where money is being made off the bands name, whereas no cash was being exchanged on easytree. It's when people sell the downloads they got for free and stick them on ebay that the whole spirit of it is broken, but at the same time, it is the same (il)legal status as a market bootlegger which brings us full circle.

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bLuE oRdEr wrote: I have yet to hear any coherent explanation as to why it's OK to steal from artists.

If the gigs were available to buy it would be theft, if they're not, it can't be. If you heard of arrests being made down a market where bootlegs are being sold, then your statement would hold water. The bootlegger is "stealing" the music as well and no action is taken against him.

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