the price of gas

it's very difficult to have a viable intercity public transportation system outside of the bowash corridor because of the distances involved. but within cities i would like to see more focus on building and expanding safe (meaning less crime!), extensive public transport instead of building more freeways.

i didn't buy my first car until i was 28, and that was only out of necessity. living in new york city and in the UK one doesn't really need a car (well, if one lives in west wales it might be a different story...), and i don't feel particularly attached to mine. but without it it would take me lord knows how many hours to get from point A to point B, not to mention the buses don't reach all points in orange county.

for an interesting take on americans and our dependence on cars read this short essay. we read it in 7th grade without knowing about whom we were reading. we all agreed that these were uncivilized savages...until we found out what the article was referring to. then it came as quite a shock!

bLuE oRdEr wrote:

Tex wrote:

AgentWood wrote: .

i think we should have to pay more, then we could focus more on public transportation.

or................

foucs more on home grown renewable bio-fuels. It would help the consumer. It would help the American Farmer. And, it would help with national security.

We agree on something?

Of course, "The American Farmer" could mean the American Family Farm, or more likely, a trans-national corporate agribusiness. Are we talking about helping the family farmer stay in business? Or the transnational corporate agribusiness? If we're talking about helping the latter, they don't need any more "help," they've grown fat enough manipulating public policy to help themselves. Once they get their hooks in transportation policy, we'll NEVER shift to an ecologically sound transportation system. They'd cut down the last rainforests to grow soy beans for biofuels, all the while telling us how ecological their product is.

Blue,

Not even I think the likes of ADM need any help. When I say "American farmer", I mean a family owned farm.

How do we keep a bio-fuel revolution out of the hands of Big Farm? I don't really know. Maybe through *cough* *hack* government *wretch* regulation????

Bloody heck. It just went up 10 cents today.

As a comparison, gas where I live is about $0,95 the liter. Near here I can find at 0,81 the liter.

102.9c (euro) here for a litre of ULSD, 104.9 for 95 RON petrol.

Thank feck my car does just under 60MPG. On ULSD. And I was still able to take a Porsche 996 and have him spend 45 miles trying to get past me...

What the feck are you driving?

bLuE oRdEr wrote: What the feck are you driving?

a delorean, you idiot. can't you see his avatar?

Canberra being the marvel of modern 1960's and 70's planning is almost completely dependant on the motor car. It is very suburban, and although only just over 300 000. in population, one is able to drive 50 km from one end to the other end. The only public transport we have are a very slow bus system. A 25 min car journey can easily become a 1.5 hour+ bus trip. Plus they stop running at about 11pm, and Taxis are very expensive because of the distances involved. So,unfortunately a car is essential here.

MYOB wrote: 102.9c (euro) here for a litre of ULSD, 104.9 for 95 RON petrol.

Thank feck my car does just under 60MPG. On ULSD. And I was still able to take a Porsche 996 and have him spend 45 miles trying to get past me...

Did the guy know his gear has more than 3 speeds?

Ronald Kirsch wrote: Canberra being the marvel of modern 1960's and 70's planning is almost completely dependant on the motor car. It is very suburban, and although only just over 300 000. in population, one is able to drive 50 km from one end to the other end. The only public transport we have are a very slow bus system. A 25 min car journey can easily become a 1.5 hour+ bus trip. Plus they stop running at about 11pm, and Taxis are very expensive because of the distances involved. So,unfortunately a car is essential here.

i have a friend from grad school who went to ANU (he's from toowoomba, queensland) and he seemed to like canberra somewhat, but then would say the crappiest things about it. i think he's back there now, working for the government in some capacity (but he could be in brisbane--dunno).

he did hold the best ANZAC day party i ever went to, though.

Ronald Kirsch wrote: Canberra being the marvel of modern 1960's and 70's planning is almost completely dependant on the motor car. It is very suburban, and although only just over 300 000. in population, one is able to drive 50 km from one end to the other end. The only public transport we have are a very slow bus system. A 25 min car journey can easily become a 1.5 hour+ bus trip. Plus they stop running at about 11pm, and Taxis are very expensive because of the distances involved. So,unfortunately a car is essential here.

Driving from my apartment to school is a 10-15 minute trip. The bus is a 1.5 - 2 hour trip. As long as that's the case, it's not likely that many people will willingly commute by public transit.

AgentWood wrote:

bLuE oRdEr wrote: What the feck are you driving?

a delorean, you idiot. can't you see his avatar?

AgentWood wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: Canberra being the marvel of modern 1960's and 70's planning is almost completely dependant on the motor car. It is very suburban, and although only just over 300 000. in population, one is able to drive 50 km from one end to the other end. The only public transport we have are a very slow bus system. A 25 min car journey can easily become a 1.5 hour+ bus trip. Plus they stop running at about 11pm, and Taxis are very expensive because of the distances involved. So,unfortunately a car is essential here.

i have a friend from grad school who went to ANU (he's from toowoomba, queensland) and he seemed to like canberra somewhat, but then would say the crappiest things about it. i think he's back there now, working for the government in some capacity (but he could be in brisbane--dunno).

he did hold the best ANZAC day party i ever went to, though.

Don't get me wrong. Canberra is a great place to live, grow up and study etc. Even with what I wrote above. It just is dependant on the car. Other negatives are that it is a bit quiet/boring and a bit too cool in winter. But hey the forecast for tomorrow is 17 degrees C. Time to get the shots and t-shits out.

Ronald Kirsch wrote: Time to get the shots and t-shits out.

whoa. you've got some strange habits down there!

ok shorts. Am I turning into Spike?

i was driving into Oban 'Sunshinne Capital of the world' TM. yesterday and i went past a petrol station and it was the first time i've ever seen petrol a t £1 a litre it was quite shocking. petrols abit of rip off anyway up these parts being so far out from real civilisation but its still bloody pricey, i hope theres another petrol strike soon! but a bit of pressure on tony and the boys to cut fuel tax

I put the Jag in the garage and been biking to work. Fortunately it is a twenty minute bike ride to work. Two weeks ago I put $40 USD into the tank and barely got over a quarter tank. NJeed to get a Miata that runs on diesel.

$2.61 a gallon

If it hits the big 3.00, I will be contacting my friends Mr. Gas and Mr. Dash

what i don't understand is why gas is so much cheaper in rural areas than large cities. at the moment its almost 10-15 cents cheaper in smaller communities!

reformulated? sounds suspicious to me.

One odd thing about this is that it'll give the people who want self-service here less ammunition (Oregon is one of two states where you can't pump your own, New Jersey the other). I've noticed consistently higher prices at the pumps in Washington and California than here. I don't mind letting someone else do the work, though I do fuel up for our companies rigs at a commerical pump. Besides, it gives OSU grads something to do.

[darkgreen]Green[/darkgreen] wrote: One odd thing about this is that it'll give the people who want self-service here less ammunition (Oregon is one of two states where you can't pump your own, New Jersey the other). I've noticed consistently higher prices at the pumps in Washington and California than here. I don't mind letting someone else do the work, though I do fuel up for our companies rigs at a commerical pump. Besides, it gives OSU grads something to do.

Price is falling. $2.39 for 89 octane Ethynol. Iowa lowers the tax on Ethyl because it is made from something our farmers produce.

I love 1987 wrote: well...it allegedly burns cleaner...

"Allegedly" is right. There has been no real proof that reformulated gasoline reduces emissions.

From a cost perspective, refineries must produce many different formulas. In some cases, for specific urban areas. So combine high demand, refinery capacity (the USA hasn't built a new refinery in almost 30 years)and delivery of at least 17 different formulations * of gasoline and you end up with $$$$$ at the pump.

* 17 states require reformulated gaoline. There are formulations for specific urban areas within each state.

because 95% of oil production in the gulf of mexico has ceased. it's going to go even higher, my friend.

i look at it this way: at least i have my home and my life...and a car left.