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LE BLANC-MESNIL, France - Young rioters set fire to at least 50 vehicles in an eighth night of unrest in the impoverished suburbs of northeastern Paris as exasperated local officials criticized politicking by national leaders.

Rioting erupted again late Thursday despite hopes that festivities ending the fasting month of Ramadan would calm rioters, many of them Muslims of North African origin protesting against race bias they say keeps them in second-class status.

About 1,000 riot police patrolled poor areas, but gangs of hooded youths roamed the streets threatening to strike again later in the night.

“It seems a bit calmer than previous nights, but about 50 vehicles have been torched since nightfall,” said a police spokesman in the Seine Saint Denis area.

French media also reported attacks on a school and a bus in northern Paris and on vehicles in two poor areas to the west of the capital. Several cars were also reported to gave been set ablaze in Dijon, the first city outside Paris to be hit.

On Thursday evening, local officials complained loudly about dithering and politicking among national officials after Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin briefed them about an “action plan for the suburbs” he aimed to present later this month.

Fears of riots spreading “Many of us told him this isn’t the time for an umpteenth plan,” said Jean-Christophe Lagarde, mayor of Drancy in the riot-hit region. “All we need is one death, and I think it will get out of control.”

Manuel Valls, mayor of Evry south of the capital, said: “We’re afraid that what’s happening in Seine Saint Denis will spread. We have to give these people a message of hope.”

Rioting among young men of North African and black African origin — mostly locally-born citizens who feel cheated by France’s official promises of liberty, equality and fraternity — began last week after two teenagers of African origin died while fleeing the police.

Jacques Brinon / AP A car dealership in Aulnay-sous-Bois is seen on Thursday after it was destroyed overnight by a raging fire.

It escalated on Wednesday evening when police and fire crews were shot at with live ammunition on three occasions.

Villepin and Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, whose bitter political rivalry has overshadowed the government’s reaction, teamed up in the French Senate on Thursday to announce that restoring order was their “absolute priority.”

Villepin indirectly blamed the riots on gangs he said terrorized residents and sought to keep police out of their neighborhoods.

“I refuse to accept that organized gangs are laying down the law in certain neighborhoods, I refuse to accept that crime networks and drug traffickers profit from this disorder, I refuse to accept that the strong intimidate the weak,” he said.

“Law and order will have the last word,” he told senators.

Sarkozy seconded him, saying: “There is only one political line, that set by the prime minister.”

143 detained for rioting Sarkozy, accused by opponents of inflaming passions with his outspoken attacks on the “scum” behind the violence, said on Thursday that 143 people had been detained in the past week for rioting.

The unrest in France comes despite Sarkozy’s anti-crime drive following President Jacques Chirac’s re-election in 2002, which was won largely on law and order issues.

His two-pronged approach — a crackdown on rioters combined with proposals to promote minorities and help fund mosques — has provoked rearguard attacks from rivals in the conservative government who accuse him of stoking extremism.

Villepin has struggled to end cabinet squabbling over how to handle disturbances that forced him to cancel a trip to Canada and Sarkozy to call off a visit to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Moscow warned Russians against visiting Paris suburbs.

The ruling Union for a Popular Majority is split between a pro-Sarkozy camp and rivals who support Chirac and Villepin, handing the opposition Socialists a rare chance to attack the conservatives on their much-vaunted record on crime.

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So, how does this type of violence rear it's ugly head in such a perfect social model?

What are the root causes? Racism? Religious bigotry? Intolerance?

The real question is will the French government have the balls to crack some skulls and quell this mini rebellion?

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Last time we had to elect the President, we had the choice between Chirac – less popular President since 1958, and Jean-Marie Le Pen, paratrooper during Algerian war and quite nazi-like. French people chose Chirac with 82%… best score in French elections ever… Most of French people issued from immigration voted Chirac because they feared Le Pen and some kind of III Reich behaviour of “White French”.

Sarkozy understood it. So, as Chirac dislikes him because of one of his numerous betrayals, Sarkozy has chosen to stand between Chirac and Le Pen. The ministry he has in charge is the Interior one, so he is the Chief of the Police. Since then, French police has become more violent. Sarkozy let them do, encourage them and that is bad… Sometimes it feels like we were back by the sixties…

Every French town has its ghetto. Most of the people living there are from Nothern Africa. Unemployment is twice more important than anywhere else in the country. Even graduated people are on the dole…

So, if I may use New Order’s words “now they have grown up together, they’re afraid of what they see…”

And now we are in a vicious circle. Sarkozy needs TV to exist as a candidate for the elections which are to be held in 2007. So TV has to talk about disorders. The more disorder is, the more Sarkozy is rude and the more cars are set on fire – so simple than that…

Fact is that France is no more a country of “liberté, égalité and fraternité” just the same way as Brits are to have a National ID nowadays and be videoed everywhere they go…

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Thank you for the insight into the politics of the situation.

However, I wonder what te solution will be. The latest reports state that the violence and destruction of property by the rioters seems very well organized.

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A little late but get the economy growing and curb immigration. Same issue here in the States but the immigrants find jobs. We only burn cars after football games and when members of the Nazi party threaten to speak.

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There was a time when French TV was proud to report how the allied air attacks on Kosovo helped stop the Serbian genocide in that province and encouraged the Alabanians to take it over. One point was forgotten: once the critical mass of incomers, alien to the vernacular culture and with the lack of respect to this culture, is reached, then you get what you're getting in France right now (like in Kosovo, where almost all Serbs are gone): all the more insistent demands of state-in-state privileges for immigrants (who don't give a damn about the land that gave them a new home, but who won't refuse to accept government social benefits).

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|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: There was a time when French TV was proud to report how the allied air attacks on Kosovo helped stop the Serbian genocide in that province and encouraged the Alabanians to take it over. One point was forgotten: once the critical mass of incomers, alien to the vernacular culture and with the lack of respect to this culture, is reached, then you get what you're getting in France right now (like in Kosovo, where almost all Serbs are gone): all the more insistent demands of state-in-state privileges for immigrants (who don't give a damn about the land that gave them a new home, but who won't refuse to accept government social benefits).

I remember a Serbian living in France saying that by the end of the nineties. "What would people think if American army bomb Parisian Suburbia as the immigrants of these places claim that they want to live freely in an islamic republic ?"

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I would like you to take notice of that :

  • at first teenagers looked for shelter in an electric "transformer"... well a very hazardous place anyway. They died there... they were followed by the Police...
  • secondly some Policemen threw gases in a full mosquee (end of the Ramadan). why ?
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