best wishes to george best and family
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the guys a knob head if you ask me. Some other more deserving person could have had his transplant, and not wasted it. 
Andrew Sayer wrote: the guys a knob head if you ask me. Some other more deserving person could have had his transplant, and not wasted it.
He's made his bed alright...but I still like the guy.Get well soon Besty....
Andrew Sayer wrote: the guys a knob head if you ask me. Some other more deserving person could have had his transplant, and not wasted it.
NOT AGAIN!!! 
Andrew Sayer wrote: the guys a knob head if you ask me. Some other more deserving person could have had his transplant, and not wasted it.
Speaking as an ulsterman, and therefor one who should be rightly proud of bestie as something we exported to the mainland that didn;t explode, and didn;t suck all that bad.
However, fuck him, he's a dick. "stop drinking george or you'll die" is a fairly fucking clear choice, and he seems to have accepted it.
I do feel for his folks tho, it's not easy having a cunt in the family.
May I carefully ask what's the matter here? I don't know this guy (apparently a soccer player or such). His legs look pretty awful...
Commiserations to the family of the person who donated his 2nd liver.
And, get well soon George :)
Steve Campbell wrote:
Speaking as an ulsterman, and therefor one who should be rightly proud of bestie as something we exported to the mainland that didn;t explode, and didn;t suck all that bad.
However, fuck him, he's a dick. "stop drinking george or you'll die" is a fairly fucking clear choice, and he seems to have accepted it.
I do feel for his folks tho, it's not easy having a cunt in the family.
Well his mother died of alcoholism too. Can't imagine that gave him a great role model.
When did we all become 'holier than thou'??? The bloke fucked up big time. He admits it. Give the bloke some peace.
How long do you reckon the papers have had Bestie's obituary on hot standby? It must be over a decade at least. I think he's a fucking idiot to be honest, pissing his talent up the wall and wrecking his second-chance liver which he was lucky to get in the first place.
Mind you, you wouldn't wish what's happening to him right now on your worst enemy, it's quite sad but ultimately he's done it to himself :(
Barney Army wrote:
Andrew Sayer wrote: the guys a knob head if you ask me. Some other more deserving person could have had his transplant, and not wasted it.
NOT AGAIN!!!
what do ya mean- angry cos you are a Utd supporter?
Andrew Sayer wrote:
Barney Army wrote:
Andrew Sayer wrote: the guys a knob head if you ask me. Some other more deserving person could have had his transplant, and not wasted it.
NOT AGAIN!!!
what do ya mean- angry cos you are a Utd supporter?
yes, george best ruined his own liver, but alcoholism is an illness. just because it isn't always physically apparent doesn't make it any less real. perhaps i sympathise because i also have an illness that can be life-threatening but is not physically apparent. no, my illness is not alcohol- or drug-related, but i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, just like i wouldn't wish for anyone to become an alcoholic.
i'm sure george best didn't choose this lifestyle--i'm sure he wishes he could get pissed at the pub with his mates then go back to sobriety without getting the DTs--but he couldn't. yes he screwed up, but give the man a break...and a little bit of compassion.
and i support arsenal, in case you're wondering.
Look, I'm not saying to hell with him or anything, I'm just saying he made his choice. He should be happy with it.
He's played some great games and had some classic benders, no point getting all mopey bout him.
BTW, that picture was of him when he was in his prime (when he could play and women went mental for him) , he's considerably less good looking these days.
Rian wrote: What's the conection between his right leg and his drinking problem?
Or is the pic a fake?
Nope, same pic on a great album by a great band.
AgentWood wrote: yes, george best ruined his own liver, but alcoholism is an illness. just because it isn't always physically apparent doesn't make it any less real. perhaps i sympathise because i also have an illness that can be life-threatening but is not physically apparent. no, my illness is not alcohol- or drug-related, but i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, just like i wouldn't wish for anyone to become an alcoholic.
i'm sure george best didn't choose this lifestyle--i'm sure he wishes he could get pissed at the pub with his mates then go back to sobriety without getting the DTs--but he couldn't. yes he screwed up, but give the man a break...and a little bit of compassion.
and i support arsenal, in case you're wondering.
I hear what you're saying Christy and agree alcoholism is a terrible affliction. I know someone myself who has it and it turned their life to shit very quickly. I think the reason alot of people don't have time for Best and his problems is because he was given a second chance and screwed it up very badly and very publicly. Top that off with him being an occasional wife-beater and even more sympathy dries up, at times he just seems like an unlikeable has-been.
Alot of people, including myself, think that new liver could've gone to someone much more deserving. What about the other patients on the transplant list, the non-alcoholics born simply unlucky with defective livers? So Best gets the new liver and the other patients miserably survive on only to die in agony later while he hits the pubs and clubs.
It must stick in the throat of relatives of the other patients who know their loved ones could've had a much better shot at life every time they see a new tabloid article with Best pissing more of his life away in a bar.
I don't think he'll make 2006, I hope he finds some peace before he goes though.
Alistair wrote:
AgentWood wrote: yes, george best ruined his own liver, but alcoholism is an illness. just because it isn't always physically apparent doesn't make it any less real. perhaps i sympathise because i also have an illness that can be life-threatening but is not physically apparent. no, my illness is not alcohol- or drug-related, but i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, just like i wouldn't wish for anyone to become an alcoholic.
i'm sure george best didn't choose this lifestyle--i'm sure he wishes he could get pissed at the pub with his mates then go back to sobriety without getting the DTs--but he couldn't. yes he screwed up, but give the man a break...and a little bit of compassion.
and i support arsenal, in case you're wondering.
I hear what you're saying Christy and agree alcoholism is a terrible affliction. I know someone myself who has it and it turned their life to shit very quickly. I think the reason alot of people don't have time for Best and his problems is because he was given a second chance and screwed it up very badly and very publicly. Top that off with him being an occasional wife-beater and even more sympathy dries up, at times he just seems like an unlikeable has-been.
Alot of people, including myself, think that new liver could've gone to someone much more deserving. What about the other patients on the transplant list, the non-alcoholics born simply unlucky with defective livers? So Best gets the new liver and the other patients miserably survive on only to die in agony later while he hits the pubs and clubs.
It must stick in the throat of relatives of the other patients who know their loved ones could've had a much better shot at life every time they see a new tabloid article with Best pissing more of his life away in a bar.
I don't think he'll make 2006, I hope he finds some peace before he goes though.
some good points, ally. i think he has made some peace by allowing the news of the world (!) to take pictures of his jaundiced and bruised body (due to his failing liver), to demonstrate the dangers of alcohol abuse and what it can lead to (domestic violence, etc.). perhaps he has now come to terms with the negative side of his life.
regardless, i wish him well and i hope his situation helps open up a dialogue about alcoholism and how serious it truly is.
Alistair wrote:
Alot of people, including myself, think that new liver could've gone to someone much more deserving. What about the other patients on the transplant list, the non-alcoholics born simply unlucky with defective livers? So Best gets the new liver and the other patients miserably survive on only to die in agony later while he hits the pubs and clubs.
This isn't my specialist subject, but I do seem to recall reading that Besty actually waited longer for his transplant because he himself felt that he was not the most deserving case.
This is basically a man that didn't set out to do anyone any harm. He may have hurt people during his life, but I doubt there's ever been any real malicious intent in him. Not like a certain former United star that is sharing todays headlines with him...
Someone was telling me a story (from his biography I think) about George in the penthouse suite of a top London hotel, around the time he left United. The current Miss World was lying naked in the bed and the Room Service lad had just delivered a couple of bottles of Champagne. "Ahh Georgie" said the lad, "where did it all go wrong?"
George surveyed the scene and replied "It all seems to be going quite well, actually".
Jean-Philippe Ravier wrote: Is he the one of Best & Marsh ?
The one & the same - the other ex-footballer was Rodney Marsh, btw. :)
Does anyone know the exact facts regarding George Best's liver? Am sure this can be googled but whenever his name gets mentioned on these forums certain people just love to jump the bandwagon with their hot air and hyperbole.
I'm presuming he waited in line the same amount of time as anyone else has for a transplant? I can't imagine he queue-jumped over someone 'born' with a liver defect, who was a non-alcoholic. And, anyways, what exactly makes someone more deserving of a liver transplant than George?! How do you measure who deserves a tranplant, and who doesn't?
And as for alcoholism, I personally don't understand this. I smoked for 10+ years, then stopped smoking one day, just like that, and never looked back. George Best is an alcoholic. He knows if he drinks, he's gonna die. And yet he still drinks. It's easy just to ask why just because we'd not do it, but it's an illness with George and it doesn't appear to be anything he can control. I presume he genuinely doesn't want to die, he's not trying to kill himself on purpose, so why's he doing it? Seems no-one has the answers.
And for those of you looking on gleefully, circling his dying body like vultures ready to tell us how "he did it to himself" etc. with your smug self-satisfaction, can I just pre-empt your comments by saying what a sad bunch of cnuts you are. George Best is dying, give him a break and show some respect. What the fcuk has he ever done to you?
Al Jarvis wrote: I'm presuming he waited in line the same amount of time as anyone else has for a transplant? I can't imagine he queue-jumped over someone 'born' with a liver defect, who was a non-alcoholic. And, anyways, what exactly makes someone more deserving of a liver transplant than George?! How do you measure who deserves a tranplant, and who doesn't?
I don't think he queue jumped, I think he probably got the liver by conforming to a selection process and being medically suited. Perhaps my 'deserving' comment is a poor choice of words but even the most sympathetic person must be thinking that liver would've been better off in someone who wouldn't have gone back on the bottle. That's the benefit of hindsight I suppose and I presume at the time those in charge of the transplant weighed the odds and decided Best was a suitable candidate. Obviously this turned out to be wrong, and as you said he was told the consequences but chose to keep on drinking and destroyed the healthy organ.
I'm not circling like a vulture really, I think it's desperately sad to see anyone in that sort of condition but you can't ignore why he's in that position. As I say, I hope he finds some peace through it all, nobody deserves to end up like that and we're all flawed.
Al Jarvis wrote: Does anyone know the exact facts regarding George Best's liver? Am sure this can be googled but whenever his name gets mentioned on these forums certain people just love to jump the bandwagon with their hot air and hyperbole.
I'm presuming he waited in line the same amount of time as anyone else has for a transplant? I can't imagine he queue-jumped over someone 'born' with a liver defect, who was a non-alcoholic. And, anyways, what exactly makes someone more deserving of a liver transplant than George?! How do you measure who deserves a tranplant, and who doesn't?
And as for alcoholism, I personally don't understand this. I smoked for 10+ years, then stopped smoking one day, just like that, and never looked back. George Best is an alcoholic. He knows if he drinks, he's gonna die. And yet he still drinks. It's easy just to ask why just because we'd not do it, but it's an illness with George and it doesn't appear to be anything he can control. I presume he genuinely doesn't want to die, he's not trying to kill himself on purpose, so why's he doing it? Seems no-one has the answers.
And for those of you looking on gleefully, circling his dying body like vultures ready to tell us how "he did it to himself" etc. with your smug self-satisfaction, can I just pre-empt your comments by saying what a sad bunch of cnuts you are. George Best is dying, give him a break and show some respect. What the fcuk has he ever done to you?
I grew up with my mum as a pisshead, got taken off her for a coupla years because of it. She sobered up because someone told her "no sober, no kids". And barring a couple of relapses she's been a good girl for nearly 20 yrs. Same problem, but she got over/around it. It can be done, the world is full of recovering boozers. If a dr gives you a choice...."booze or life" it's up to you which you take, and not my place to say if you made the right choice. However you should at least stick by your choice. He chose booze, that's fair enough, that's his right, but his demise cannot be heralded as a shocking tragedy, just an inevitable consequence. Of course I feel for his family ( and for my country, whcih may have to wait 50 years before producing anyone not shit again), but for george himself I feel very little, like "it's how he wanted it, let's not be dicks about it".
Alistair wrote: Perhaps my 'deserving' comment is a poor choice of words but even the most sympathetic person must be thinking that liver would've been better off in someone who wouldn't have gone back on the bottle.
I think the assumption must surely have been that George wouldn't go back on the bottle either, once his new liver was fitted.
But why again, does there appear to be the second assumption that anyone else would have had the willpower to stay off the booze where George has failed? I don't know of any other high-profile transplants of this nature. Is George the only one who's ever fcut up immediately after? I doubt it.
Also, are people genuinely under the impression that George is sticking two fingers up at his public, and laughing, "Ha, I'm abusing this liver and still getting drunk!" cos I for one don't see that at all.
At the end of the day, who are we to judge? He's made his bed, he can lie in it. Don't see why people need to get santimonious over what-is-undoubtedly soon-to-be the passing of a once legend.
I am pretty sure that john phillips of the mama's & the papa's ruined his 2nd liver by drinking an i even think a tv film crew found him in a bar drinking and confronted him. i believe he has since passed
Return of the locked thread time!
Alcoholism is an illness rather than a choice.
You can't always stay cured, although you do have to be abstinent prior to a transplant, which George would have been.
Unfortunately his illness returned and the media were only to happy to join in the kick a man when he's down brigade- what he really needed was urgent support and relapse prevention therapy.
The wife beating thing thou', if true, isn't forgivable IMO (drunk or otherwise; he should have punched a wall / door, not his wife).
Not being a terrible one for readin the papers, I must say it hadn't occurred to me that there may be a wider public backlash.
I'm loathe to cut tha man any slack cos he's from here, it's hardcoded into the NI national psyche to hate anyone from here who has the audacity to do well for themselves, especially if they fuck it all up royally.
I was askin me mum, "who come you managed it with a bunch of ungrateful wretches sponging off you and giving you a hard time, but georgie boy with all his money can't"...her reply was very intersting...."my life kept me busy and poor, so I had neither the inclination or money to get pissed. Poor bestie on the other hand, has cash hanging out of his arse and absolutely nothing all to do all day, he's got a much harder time because of that"
fair point really, if I've got plenty to do, I would never think "I'll stop for a drink/smoke/whatever". I was also thinknig to myself that if he was addicted to anything else I'd feel more sympathy, purely because of all the drugs to be addicted to, Alcohol is the one most likely to cause you to be a cock to those around you.
I found it kinda odd Al, that were willing to grant Mr Best the title of disease sufferer for his chemical dependence, but were not so charitable about your own kicking of the ciggies. I've seen the DT's in action, and I've seen people comin off fags. While the booze is udoubtedly much worse, we are not really talking orders of magnitude.
Actually, that brings another point to mind.....his mates are a bit shit for not helping him out of it. From experience with me mum, it's a lot easier to get out of the cylce of other people are there, easier to cope with the withdrawls and harder to get any more booze. My ma hit the booze quite by accident about 6 years ago. She'd been going out with this guy, and thought she'd be ok to have a wee drink in the pub now and then, worked ok til christmas and it's related pressures came around, and off she went. I severely dislike being annoyed by pissed people, and when it's me mum it's like a soldering iron up the nose in terms of irritation. As is the way of the alco, she denied even being drunk, and also denied having a booze stash...her mistake, that just meant that the enormous bottle of vodka out the back was claimed as salvage and donated to the slightlynarrow Xmas night pissup. Meanwhile mother was sent to bed armed only with 2L of water and a small joint to help her sleep. Next few days we waited on her hand and foot, made sure she was comfortable and wanted for nothing (cept the obvious). And it didn;t even take the full 3 days, she emerge looking most sorry for herself after 2 days, and withing a week was absolutely normal again. She'd never have managed it without my combination of Nazi ass tactics and bed service. All those people who hang round george and they can't help him, or wont, it's a shame.
Good points Steve; and congrats for helping your Mum out of her hole...
Al was lucky to be able to quit the fags so easily... I and many other people I know have found it to be a living hell; nicotine withdrawal= borderline psychosis for a lot of people.
I'd still love a fag now, but I can feel my lungs / heart giving in at the thought of it and I don't want a return ticket to withdrawal city....
That's a difference between fags and booze, a recovered pisshead doesn't sit and think about drink 24/7, but an ex smoker always likes the looks of fags.....especially after a coupla drinks :)
