BEWARE DODGY EMAILS PURPORTING TO BE FROM NOOLERS

JW wrote:

Barney Army wrote: Steve & Melly..stop scaring people.

I use XP & Outlook bareback (no firewall & anti-virus to slow down my Reason stuff) and never had a virus.

OK, I work in computer security

but, doesn't XP have a complete security line of defense all set up? that's part of the conflicting power struggle that ensues when setting up. even shutting down? still, knock on wood.

the problem a lot of people have is that by the time you patch and upgrade all the bits of a virgin XP install...the thing is already infected with something. And as usual wth ALL things microsoft, the builtin stuff almost but not quite, totally fails to work right, or if it DOES work, it does so in a way that drives you gaga. I have to use IE and OE in work and it amuses my colleagues no end as I sit there and just spout a CONSTANT stream of hatred and abuse at it...puntuacted by comments like "come on come on life's too short for windows" Not been there in nearly 2 years but the memory still burns.

EDIT: the way to avoid the setup catch22 is as SOON as you DO get the thing installed and patched...scan it and BACK IT UP before it's even finished pricking around with your hardware. Use a disc imaging program....something like norton ghost, acronis trueimage (hmmmmm Linux in windows dDROOOOOOOOOOOL) or ust download a 10mb linux boot cd and do

dd if=/dev/hda1 | gazip>backup.img

Shug wrote: That Miss Jem gets about a bit. I opened one thinking it was pics from the gig as well.

Feck all - nothing's up with me computer though.

Also mailed Jem to tell her what happened. Glad to see other fuckers are getting dodgy emails as well.....it's usually just Rocket playing games (when he's not banged up)

:D

Jem aint the source, cos I mail her a fair amount and I've had none of these.

I asked Bonz if she had any...nope so we're looking for an address book containing Jem's bansheemans, Lucyjane's yours, JT's

we couldnarrow this down and give the bugger a kicking if we had more info :D

Ya sad fookers, it is I !!!! :evil:

Footballer's wife wrote: Ya sad fookers, it is I !!!! :evil:

Fuck right off Maya, your mail account's barely holding it's head above water, it's in no position to take on the world :D

Steve Campbell wrote:

Footballer's wife wrote: Ya sad fookers, it is I !!!! :evil:

Fuck right off Maya, your mail account's barely holding it's head above water, it's in no position to take on the world :D

oh poo, don't fookin remind me :(

Footballer's wife wrote: Ya sad fookers, it is I !!!! :evil:

Could you stop sending me porn advertisings? Thank you. :D

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Footballer's wife wrote: Ya sad fookers, it is I !!!! :evil:

Could you stop sending me porn advertisings? Thank you. :D

Easy darling, you're flattering yourself !!

I'm not gonna get into tech talk here, computer crime is so much simpler than open tcpip ports. Fuckin ell I do it for a livin (good guy, not bad guy)

But one word of advice for you all.

If you log into this site, and use your everyday email account, and same password, then those details are stored on your computer where anyone can find it in a simple text document (Nicos, you should sort that out! I've already told you!)

Now, are they the same email address/password you use for something like..err Paypal, or maybe you have some personal details in your mailboxes you'd like to share with the world? After all, you are broadcasting your email login details.

So, fer fucks sake, make sure your NOOL login password is not the same one you use for everything else.

An 'unchecked buffer overrun' isnt the weakest link in computer security...you are.

I dont want to sound patronising, I just thought you might like to know how easy it is to get all the details anyone could want, from a 'secure' machine. :\ohwell:

Do it now. Do it here..

Barney Army wrote:

An 'unchecked buffer overrun' isnt the weakest link in computer security...you are.

just read that back to myself. What a twat! Thats my new t-shirt.

Barney Army wrote:

Barney Army wrote:

An 'unchecked buffer overrun' isnt the weakest link in computer security...you are.

just read that back to myself. What a twat! Thats my new t-shirt.

If you mean the buffer overrun thing, put me down for one.

Wise words....this site is crawled over daily but all sorts of horrid bots. I have mentioned this several times but I use a unique address for each site that requires one, typically the site's name @ slightlynarrow. nool@ accounts for EASILY 70% of my spam.

Tis a true thing what you said tho, open ports and bad technical security will get your computer fucked over, but brainfarts get you robbed.

Might I mention one other little perl ( :D ) of wisdom.... ifu have a vanilla XP (no service packs)...FOR FUCK'S SAKE DO NOT USE AUTOCOMPLETE in IE it stores credit card numbers (dunno who let that one thru....bleedin idiotic even by MS standards). Oh...and on the subject.....see anything like Gator or any of those "formfillers" NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! Anything that says it's cool, free or appears ina floating window should be viewed with as much relish as Bubunic Plague!

I'm seriously thinking of starting a Steve's computer clinic to raise NO fans IT skills to the same level as their taste in music. If I do, I PROMISE to keep the "just install something, anything, other than windows" rants to a bare minimum :D

Barney Army wrote:

Barney Army wrote:

An 'unchecked buffer overrun' isnt the weakest link in computer security...you are.

just read that back to myself. What a twat! Thats my new t-shirt.

everybody can do with new shirt. pointing out some obviouses now and then is a good thing. chains &leather, well that's something else entirely.

does jem or the other 'culprits' have a hotmail account? because this used to happen to me when i had one and now that i use a different account it no longer happens. no spam from (fake) NOOLers.

p.s. i had a linux computer for a while. useless. i couldn't download shit and it was about as user-friendly as BASIC. i went straight back to windows.

this hasn't happened to me yet. in any case as i am unable to change my e-mail address in my profile, they would go to my work address, where we have hopefully decent virus protection. in any case only a handful of noolers have my home e-mail address.

i think even if i could change the address in my profile, i now probably won't.

AgentWood wrote: p.s. i had a linux computer for a while. useless. i couldn't download shit and it was about as user-friendly as BASIC. i went straight back to windows.

works a treat here all mail, net and p2p(soulseek,emule,azureus) stuff along with general day to day shit. The windows box runs cubase and driving games.

I must confess however that this particular version (gentoo) is a fucking joy to use compared to most others, you have access to a ready made database of over 100,000 packages..I mean say I want to install firefox... I just type "emerge firefox" and it's there.

I would agree that if you have to confgure anything it can be a bit daunting, but to balance that you do find out so much because the manuals and so on are so much more informative (often far too much so) than the average windows help file.

I got my first PC in january 2000 and it got it's first Linux install in about april (because having used a spectrum and an amiga and an atari ST before I simply could not believe something as bad as windows was allowed out into the world never mind that I somehow HAD to use it)...and it was cute but useless. By the time Mandrake8 came out it became my day to day OS and lead to me doing sod all music cos I had to reboot to windows to do so (there are linux music apps, very good ones, but I am a dyed in the wool cubase head and can use fuck all else very well so I ignore them). I put gentoo on some time in 2003 and I've had it since. I moved all mail to linux in 2000 and still have mail going back to then.

I would honestly say that Linux is not the OS for the moderately adept windows user such as yourself....but for the total novice (who must have someone else install windows already) it's actually really good because if you don't already know the windows way of things you never have that "ugh" factor, and it is much more forgiving and much safer....no root access=idiot not deleting the equivalent of c:\windows It also does fairly well for the advanced user who is sick to the back teeth of battling windows and rebooting endlessly just to fail to make the most minor of changes.

I would reccomend anyone with broadband download something such as knoppix...which is a live CD (or live DVD) version... no installation required, it just runs (albeit slower than usual) from CD...even on a machine with no hard disc so you are totally safe to use it......there are only 2 cavaets....1 it does not come with proprietry video drivers, just like windows...so the cd performance in games on it sucks ass (you can put proprietry drivers in somehow but I never tried) and 2. you will need to know some very basic things about your network to get online, like your ip address...and if you have a crap "winmodem" (a modified soundcard with no network functionality at all, often found pre-installed in PC's or supllied on the end of a USB cable by ISP's....not only are these devices useless by and large outside windows...they are far from optimal IN it as any gamers or techy site will confirm) you're boned. Nonetheless it will demonstrate the current state of a linux desktop machine (I'm not sure how long ago you tried Agent, but it's a rapidly moving thing) and give some idea of the range of free software available.

Advocacy ends

It will

Johnny, floridaykeys, so good. just saving that one. :!:

look at the pretty pictures then

sorry cambo. i'm still relatively new to all this home computing stuff. i defer to your greater knowledge, but for the time being i'll stick with what i've got. perhaps in a year or so i may be persuaded to try linux.

Ronald Kirsch wrote: sorry cambo. i'm still relatively new to all this home computing stuff. i defer to your greater knowledge, but for the time being i'll stick with what i've got. perhaps in a year or so i may be persuaded to try linux.

Like i said...play with a run from cd version like knoppix...no risks :D

You've probably used it already without knowing, lots of bootable windows rescue tools use it.

You start out freaked out and slowly you start to see all the little cute smart things and warm to it and before long you are sitting at a windows machine trying to copy and paste using mouseover and the middle button and wondering why it wont work :D

And it's happy to dual boot so u keep your windows for any MUST have apps you may have in it.

Yeah , i only got my first Computer in March 2004.I've surprised myself actually that i've gone this long without it dying .

Steve Campbell wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: sorry cambo. i'm still relatively new to all this home computing stuff. i defer to your greater knowledge, but for the time being i'll stick with what i've got. perhaps in a year or so i may be persuaded to try linux.

Like i said...play with a run from cd version like knoppix...no risks :D

You've probably used it already without knowing, lots of bootable windows rescue tools use it.

You start out freaked out and slowly you start to see all the little cute smart things and warm to it and before long you are sitting at a windows machine trying to copy and paste using mouseover and the middle button and wondering why it wont work :D

And it's happy to dual boot so u keep your windows for any MUST have apps you may have in it.

i actually agree with you on windows. all the computer nerds at work think that bill gates is the devil, and that windows is shit, but for now i'll stick with what works for me.

not to mention i'm not about to repartition my hard disk. what with the luck i have, i'd lose everything. oh, and as far as the tech support manual for linux being easier, i rarely need tech support for windows, but i was having problems every day with linux and couldn't find any answers to my problems. it was SO frustrating!

simply typing man and the name of the program usually does the trick. This may have been a wee while ago Agent? Can I ask what version you were running, (braces himself for "red hat 5")

I can't get a useful tv output from a windows machine, because it cannot multitask videos always glitch if I run other programs while watching something. I also cannot make it rip or master dvd's.

But if point and click and pretty pictures is your way, I'd rather you stayed with windows, not in a nasty way at all, but because a lot of people who come to linux start saying daft things like "shouldn't it be more like windows"...and if it DOES get that way...I'll have to find something else to use :D

I like being able to tell a computer what to do, and I like error reports that are a little more helpful than.... "an error has occured, please click here for more info" click "unspecified error, click here for help" click "there is no help available"

that's just rude :D "wanna pint?" yeah "fuck off" LOL

PS...you arent seriously telling me your machine only has one drive partition? Oh boy are you asking for it :( Sort that out if you can it will make backing up a joy. I allow my C: drive to have windows, sensible apps and utilities and the like, as well as any games that are so bacdly written they depend on the registry. Everything else gets left off that drive..games to D: audio banks and work to E: and music(new order is the only music on mu windows machine cos it had the space for it :D ) installers and backups to f: Means I don;t have to backup 200GB just to protect myself from the inevitable "WTF" moment.

I had apalling hardware problems with Linux in the early days, but that's not so much the case these days as long as you aren't trying to get it to work on awful hardware. (then again, Linux will run on a 386 from a floppy, or a 5000 node supercluster). These days I don't even notice hardware changes for the most part unless I have to manually say "oi" to get it to see something new, but last time tat happened was when I changed video cards, I think even windows makes yu reboot a few time and pulls your chain to achieve that.

short and more sensible answer....

I have problems with linux too, it is still a computer OS after all. In general tho, fixing the problems is a genuine intellectual challenge that's quite enjoyable, because I get better info on what's broken and why. It's more than just an exercise in me weeping and burbling softly.."WHY wont you let me do this" or "I changed that, why did you change it back without asking me or even telling me".

There are a lot of things I had to give up on with windows, but so far the only things to defeat me in Linux have been the MIDI I/O on my soundblaster Live and an ATI radeon which was just not an enjoyable experience in 3d. Both manufacturer's errors of course, the problems are in the drivers. (FWIW the ATI now lives in my winbox where it's happier but still a tosser).

The most shocking thing about you saying "I had loads of trouble" is that no one ran to your aid, because Linux lets on what it's doing, when you ask a question, someone knows and answer far more often than in the windows world where you end up trying 100 things before fixing it yerself.

well done you have found something I care about a lot that I wont immeadiately lose my temper over......

Funny view of a linux user trying windows for the first time VERY funny in fact

cambo sometimes you truly scare me. what do you do for a crust when you are working? i'd recommend something with computers, if you aren't already in that field.

I work in a fuckin call centre ( albeit I am a highly trained chimp)...on windows.....I sometimes think IT made me sick LOL

I'm not a real computer genius tho, I am a tweaker, a putterer and a fixer of broken things. I rely on a gift I was born with rather than any learned skills. I was born able to understand machines, simple as that. It's why I make music the way I do, it's why I think Dr Who is the best thing in the world and it's why most of my friends are petrified to even let me pick up their tc remote.

I Can't program. I dunno anything about all those important windows apps I do things MY way

So I'm never gonna get a gig as a proper geek :(

Melly...what say you? does being a machine maiden preclude you from doing a sensible job round them?