Don't hate Robert Smith, per se, but am still flummoxed that he ever gets a mention on these boards. Never saw any familiarity between the two bands, or even heard mention of them in the same sentence, until I started posting on here and read different views from around the world (see also: Depeche Mode). I grew up thinking bands like the Cure were everything New Order weren't and their fanbase reflected similarly. Always thought New Order were a bit of a lads' band, and that the Cure were, if anything, a band for freaks and misfits (without wishing to sound harsh). All the Goth Girls used to love the Cure back in my teenage years, and not many blokes I knew (if at all?). I could go further and say that I don't really understand why anyone over the age of perhaps 18 could like the Cure cos they just seemed like a fashion statement for teenage angst, and teenagers, eventually, grow out of all that doom and gloom shite and move on.