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It has amazed me that somehow the whole grunge movement (if you want to call it that) has been credited to Nirvana. I remember quite destinctly that it was a "Seattle movement" not justone band. To include:
Nirvana soundgarden alice in chains pearl jam screaming trees
The later was forgotten about, cause of it's only one hit understandably. How is it that Nirvana has been given all the credit? Is it simply that Kurt offed himself and everyone forgot everyone else???
Your thoughts?
JHC
68 Pontiac wrote: It has amazed me that somehow the whole grunge movement (if you want to call it that) has been credited to Nirvana. I remember quite destinctly that it was a "Seattle movement" not justone band. To include:
Nirvana soundgarden alice in chains pearl jam screaming trees
The later was forgotten about, cause of it's only one hit understandably. How is it that Nirvana has been given all the credit? Is it simply that Kurt offed himself and everyone forgot everyone else???
Your thoughts?
JHC
yup. another iconic death.
If I can remember correctly-- and I can't be arsed to look it up-- Nirvana was signed to a record label first, and that's why they're given that credit.
I do remember reading some article recently where the people behind the "Seattle sound" were pissing themselves laughing about the whole thing, because when Rolling Stone reported on "the scene," the people they interviewed were just making up a bunch of shite to take the piss, and it got turned into an article about the "Seattle sound," better known as grunge.
Why didn't PJ get more credit though? They sold more records by far, with both ten and vs. There were alot more PJ sounding bands at the time (STP's Purple, Counting Crows, Live, hell you couldn't turn on the radio without a PJ sounding song on), don't really remember any Nirvana sounding bands around at that time. Also Nevermind was produced by Butch Vig (giving it that more poppy sound), and when In Utero came out I remember the majority of the Public saying it was shite (that was until he shot himself and then everyone was jumping around claiming they loved all his albums).
So why has PJ gotten the shaft on the credit?
JHC
Pearl Jam might have sold as many records as Nirvana....but Nirvana was the first band to hit it big from that genre...and since they were first, they get most of the credit...
of course...I always liked Soundgarden better than PJ or Nirvana...
Ten bullied Nevermind when it came to sales, and that's fair, cos it's just ten times better than nevermind.
I love pearl jam, they're my favourite band. I also really like soundgarden (and now audioslave) and alice in chains.
As far as Nirvana goes, even before i fell in love with pearl jam i always thought they were VERY over rated, and its not fair that they take all the credit when the other grunge bands were just as good, and in my opinion, better than Nirvana.
I prefer the Temple of The Dog album to any Nirvana albums, I just think they are over rated and not that good. Granted, Teen Spirit is mint, but like, Come As You Are is blatently ripped off Killing Joke, the other 2 I like (man who sold the world and lake of fire) are covers of bowie and the meat puppets, and i suppose after those there's only about a girl that I like.
Pearl Jam forever, they rock me. 
Got "State of Love and Trust" on just now, fucking awesome song, definitely one of my faves by Pearl Jam. 
Don't forget, Nirvana went far more global than the rest of them.
PJ didnt really grabb a foothold in the UK; they had only a minor hit with 'Jeremy's Spoken' and were not held in any high esteem by the music press as Nirvana were.
coban admitted that teen spirit is basically taken from 'monkeys gone to heaven' by the gods they call PIXIES
.... and in any case Mudhoney blew them all away 'cause they didn't give a shit about the big time but did amazing gigs in small venues.
God yes, Pixies are so fuckin great
It was something like he was trying to cover Monkey Gone To Heaven and ended up writing Teen Spirit, good on Kurt for admitting it 
And yeah, Pearl Jam have never really BROKE the UK, which is a shame. You're right, I'd say either "Jeremy" or "Even Flow" are the most well known over here.
They rule. :D
And Mudhoney are great too, you're right.
Comrade Shampanyov wrote: If I can remember correctly-- and I can't be arsed to look it up-- Nirvana was signed to a record label first, and that's why they're given that credit.
Actually Soundgarden had a record label first, first album in 1988. They also had badmotorfinger released first that hit it across the US with small acclaim. Alice in chains also had facelift released in 1990 that hit with a few singles to include the large hit "man in the box". Bleach was a 1989 release and beat this, but didn't go further than seattle.
so I don't think record labels had anything to do with it.
JHC
Burt Reynolds wrote: Don't forget, Nirvana went far more global than the rest of them.
PJ didnt really grabb a foothold in the UK; they had only a minor hit with 'Jeremy's Spoken' and were not held in any high esteem by the music press as Nirvana were.
Burt, That maybe the case, but the grudge movement was really an American movement. Other than Bush (which Britian never really accepted), can't really think of many British bands that were heavily affected and changed their sound due to grudge. So that it was more global seems minor, as what I am refering to is credit for the music movement of grudge.
JHC
68 Pontiac wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: Don't forget, Nirvana went far more global than the rest of them.
PJ didnt really grabb a foothold in the UK; they had only a minor hit with 'Jeremy's Spoken' and were not held in any high esteem by the music press as Nirvana were.
Burt, That maybe the case, but the grudge movement was really an American movement. Other than Bush (which Britian never really accepted), can't really think of many British bands that were heavily affected and changed their sound due to grudge. So that it was more global seems minor, as what I am refering to is credit for the music movement of grudge.
JHC
True.. VH1 is a global channel though, and grunge was a World movement originating in the USA. There were plenty of grunge style bands in the UK around; they just sunk without trace. Seattle did it better.
Sub-Pop used to send all their bands over here at an early stage, cos they knew its good to test the water here with our punk roots. Nirvana might have even seriously dented the charts here first. Not a clue. I do remember that they and Mudhoney were playing small London venues for years before they broke.
68 Pontiac wrote: What time period are you talking about. Interested.
JHC
Around about 1989. I was off to see Manc bands etc, but in between Mudhoney and Nirvana were always doing gigs with UK thrash bands like Napalm Death in small venues. Used to get invited all the time, but sadly never went.
That maybe the case, but the grudge movement was really an American movement. Other than Bush (which Britian never really accepted), can't really think of many British bands that were heavily affected and changed their sound due to grudge. So that it was more global seems minor, as what I am refering to is credit for the music movement of grudge.
JHC
What the hell is the "grudge movement"? Was it when crazy bands such as Van Halen and Judas Priest replaced their irritating lead singers?
I think it’s because Nirvana was the first to hit no.1, knocking Michael Jackson off the top.
They also marked the end of the L.A. hair metal bands. And because the “scene” kinda’ died when Kurt did.
