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[brown]alistair[/brown] wrote:
AgentWood wrote: is it brought to us by the same people who are behind the moon landing conspiracy literature?
But they never landed on the moon!
i know. and courtney killed kurt, just like yoko ono paid mark chapman to kill john lennon. duuuhhhhh!
Basically, the investigator who Courtney hired to find Kurt when he disappeared runs an investigation where he believes she hired somebody to kill him. The Rome incident was apparently her first attempt to kill him.
The book's message is 'We're not saying that Courtney Love did it, but basically, Courtney Love did it.'
I'm trying to reconcile which is the more heinous crime:
Courtney's supposed attempts to 'off' Kurt
or
Hole's entire recording and live career
It's a toughie :\ohwell: but Hole really were shite.
[brown]alistair[/brown] wrote: I'm trying to reconcile which is the more heinous crime:
Courtney's supposed attempts to 'off' Kurt
or
Hole's entire recording and live career
It's a toughie :\ohwell: but Hole really were shite.
they had one good song: violet.
but yes, everything else was a supernova of aural suffering.
[brown]alistair[/brown] wrote: I'm trying to reconcile which is the more heinous crime:
Courtney's supposed attempts to 'off' Kurt
or
Hole's entire recording and live career
It's a toughie :\ohwell: but Hole really were shite.
Some of the early stuff wasn't bad.
One of the theories mentioned in the book was that Kurt wrote a good proportion of Hole's stuff.
And if you ever see the documentary, watch Courtney's da being interviewed. He plugs his book about being manager of the Grateful Dead.
I think I finally got around to buying a copy of Nevermind twelve years after it came out...and I can recommend about the first five or six songs before it all goes downhill
I think the hype surrounding his death turned the band from the leaders of a disputably short-lived movement into icons of dubious status. Bands were doing more interesting and better versions of what they achieved gold status with, years before they hit it big. Compare Nirvana with REM, for example: Michael Stipe and company were fusing country-rock with indie and making their own fiercely unique music, and they had a certain degree of mainstream success prior to '91. I can still listen to REM (and thankfully they're still around, if not exactly making music on a par with their best material). Whereas Nirvana pretty much stays on my CD rack, untouched. 
Give me REM any day over Kurt "Saint" Cobain (whose death was tragic, but a boost to MTV and the music press)
Taboo # 7 wrote: I think the hype surrounding his death turned the band from the leaders of a disputably short-lived movement into icons of dubious status. Bands were doing more interesting and better versions of what they achieved gold status with, years before they hit it big. Compare Nirvana with REM, for example: Michael Stipe and company were fusing country-rock with indie and making their own fiercely unique music, and they had a certain degree of mainstream success prior to '91. I can still listen to REM (and thankfully they're still around, if not exactly making music on a par with their best material). Whereas Nirvana pretty much stays on my CD rack, untouched.
Give me REM any day over Kurt "Saint" Cobain (whose death was tragic, but a boost to MTV and the music press)
Fantastic 
completely agree.
There's a book in the Student Store called Love & Death, which challenges Kurt's alleged suicide.
Christopher Owens wrote: Never got REM. Always found them boring.
Monster's not bad.
I note you single out R.E.M.'s one album where loud, distorted guitars are very much at the fore.
Must every good band or good album have a shedload of loud distorted guitars behind them?! No offence Chris, but all the bands you've been championing of late (on BCD anyway) are heavy metal behemoths. I.e. lots of loud guitar, lots of heroically loud lyrics and lots of crotch grabbing.
For instance, I really rate R.E.M.'s Reveal album; very commercial sounding but I think the tunes are well put together and very pop. I'm not going to dismiss the album because there aren't any grinding guitars on it! Mind you, I do prefer Dance/electronic music over clumsy guitar shclock any day which is just my "thing" I suppose
Not to say I don't enjoy a good guitar jam of course but I like to hear what's being played rather than the fuzz which is arguably what most of what metal is; an anonymous noise with shouting behind it. "Intelligent Metal" is one great big oxymoron.
I never realize this macabre anniversary-Nirvana were good for their time. I listen to "Nevermind" and hear LIFE!!! it was my music. My parents generation did not make this stuff..
and ok "Lithium" will always be a fave "I'm so horny/that's OK my will is good"
I know where Nirvana came from but their impact was big. I have lived long enough to have friends where I wondered how long they would live. Either through thrill seeking, irresponsibility or self-destructive behavior.
No one "knows" Cobain-not even himself. He was just a guy-not a saint. That Kurt was so depressed that he could not see the possibilities of life. I have been that depressed and it is not a good place to be.
My big sister told me yesterday that she is pregnant with her first child. I am so happy for her hubby and her. Conflicting that with Cobain being dead like that just makes me sad
The kids who worship Kurt Cobain do not get it. I don't understand why he did what he did and stopped wondering a long time ago.
Christopher Owens wrote: reminded me of how powerful the idea of But it showed that even today, people still believe in him,
sensationalizing emotions is a lucrative and empty place to go. Any book with four stars of Mystery and Intrigue is a way has put a dollar sign on the only things that that can't be tangible. But. the huge but is that if it has gotten anybody to believe in a morning sun & look beyond their immediate circle then it's a success. New Order did it with Temptation -to try and break this circle that been placed.. Joy Division did it. other bands / music/ Art / Sport too. anything that is beyond a sevice industry. but then all jobs keep things progressing..
[brown]alistair[/brown] wrote: . is your nickname from the Revenge b-side?
hey, right. Those guys at the job a few posts up .. they tried to sell me on Ministry etc. I countered with our lot here. JD, NO etc. ahh.
[brown]alistair[/brown] wrote:
I note you single out R.E.M.'s one album where loud, distorted guitars are very much at the fore.
Must every good band or good album have a shedload of loud distorted guitars behind them?! No offence Chris, but all the bands you've been championing of late (on BCD anyway) are heavy metal behemoths. I.e. lots of loud guitar, lots of heroically loud lyrics and lots of crotch grabbing.
That's because I've been listening to a lot of metal lately. I'm sure you go through phases yourself in what you're listening to. And no, not every band must have ' a shedload of loud distorted guitars behind them'. But I like that. You said yourself that you prefer 'Dance/electronic music over clumsy guitar shclock any day'. Tastes differ.
I'm not trying to be funny here, but is there something genuinely wrong with being a metal fan? One poster said a while back that they didn't know how I could be into NO, and like metal. What bollocks.
[brown]alistair[/brown] wrote: For instance, I really rate R.E.M.'s Reveal album; very commercial sounding but I think the tunes are well put together and very pop. I'm not going to dismiss the album because there aren't any grinding guitars on it!
KT Tunstall doesn't use 'grinding guitars'. Neither do Love, Echo and the Bunnymen, U2, Snow Patrol, Elton John, JD/NO, The Doors.
To be honest, even before I got into metal, I never got REM. An uncle of mine is a huge fan and he lent me Document, Automatic... and Reveal. While there are good songs on them (One I Love, Sidewinder, Imitation of Life and Disappear) I generally wasn't impressed with them. Wouldn't go so far as to say they bored me, but they just didn't leave an impression on me. Even the tunes I liked were pretty forgetable.
[brown]alistair[/brown] wrote: Not to say I don't enjoy a good guitar jam of course but I like to hear what's being played rather than the fuzz which is arguably what most of what metal is; an anonymous noise with shouting behind it. "Intelligent Metal" is one great big oxymoron.
That's the sort of attitude I hate about indie kids: dismissing metal as 'stupid'. Metal has a power and intensity to it that a lot of NME approved bands simply don't have. So they dismiss it as daft.
Cambo admitted that he has hated metal for most of his life. Now bear in mind that he likes electronic acts like The Orb etc, he said that he actually listened to the likes of Metallica, Sepultura etc and said that he could appreciate the music, maybe not get misty eyed over it, but there was some good stuff there. That's the sort of reaction most people who happily dismiss metal get when they actually listen to the stuff.
IMHO, of course.
14 -K wrote: sensationalizing emotions is a lucrative and empty place to go. Any book with four stars of Mystery and Intrigue is a way has put a dollar sign on the only things that that can't be tangible. But. the huge but is that if it has gotten anybody to believe in a morning sun & look beyond their immediate circle then it's a success. New Order did it with Temptation -to try and break this circle that been placed.. Joy Division did it. other bands / music/ Art / Sport too. anything that is beyond a sevice industry. but then all jobs keep things progressing..
Very well said.
I saw them live and thought they were awesome. Bleach was a great album. Nevermind fucked them up. and In Utero was crap.
the little grunge babes in sub-pop t shirts - loved that little time period in the early 90's
Oz.
also seen likes of Breeders, Sonic Youth, Mudhoney, Soudgarden, Ramones, Cramps, Smithereens and erm...Transvision Vamp there.
But was i all grunged up at the time?
Was i fuck!!!
just liked the music mannnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!
Christopher Owens wrote:
[brown]alistair[/brown] wrote:
I note you single out R.E.M.'s one album where loud, distorted guitars are very much at the fore..
That's the sort of attitude I hate about indie kids: dismissing metal as 'stupid'. Metal has a power and intensity to it that a lot of NME approved bands simply don't have. So they dismiss it as daft.
12-09-08.
hating that part of the Indie attitude is probably one of the strongest arguements to dismiss most things labelled as Indie. If an arguement was ever needed. Shame that 'pure Indie like some of the Sundance Film Fest can be just sso good. And the idea behind it and the exposure the films can get is excellent.
Intelligent Metal- Honest Politician..different tastes different place to be. same with Jazz, Blues, Classical etc. takes a huge skill to do it well. but again different tastes & to think where/ what years, whatever it came out of.. all under 12- Years- On.
J.A.K wrote: Oz. just liked the music mannnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!
the Doors could be soo bleak. another could've been so much more.
CORRRRR!
