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.....why are both bands so fecking HUGE in Eastern Europe? I mentioned my year as a factory worker in Czechoslovakia in an earlier in post and it put me in mind of this fact. Everybody I met out there was a massive fan of one or other of the two gloom-merchants to the exclusion of almost any other band. The bands names were daubed on walls everywhere you went and there appeared to be a football style rivalry between both sets of miserabilists.

The best bit of graffitt I saw said

FUCK DEPECHE MODE

which had been scored out by someone else and underneath it written

NO, FUCK THE CURE!

:laugh:

The bird's big sister (Russian) has a DM tatoo on her back and when I was back out in the Czech Republic a few months ago the local disco was still banging out a playlist which was 50% DM and The Cure so it's not like much has changed in more recent years.

So why is it that all these keraaazy Slavs cannae get enough of shite British goth-rock? It's gotta have something to do with the bleak post-communist landscape no? Or am I intellectualising too much here?!

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I've shagged one (1) Eastern European girl :nod:

EDIT: I have no idea whether she liked either of these bands.

I don't, and I am from the Manchester, England.

Hope this helps.

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GlasVegas wrote:

It's gotta have something to do with the bleak post-communist landscape no?

:skeptic:

Not so sure this line makes much sense or maybe I'm wrong but you just happened to meet the fans of the said bands and that's about it. I think it has nothing to do with the Eastern Europe countries. Are you trying to say that there are no DM and Cure fans in GlasVegas land? I pretty much doubt it.

I of course can speak for my country only and to be honest, it's always better to know that there are people who like DM music rather than some folk shite - all turkish and greek covers :nuts: :barf:

And on this site I've noticed that lots of Americans enjoy their music too. So maybe it's like that everywhere but not in the UK, dunno :dunno:

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so yet another case of the UK knowing best?

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hibster wrote: so yet another case of the UK knowing best?

:nod:

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I remember being in a bar in Krakow once and all that was played was either Depeche Mode or The Cure. And I know for sure that i'm sharing a lift with a couple of Czechs for the Depeche Mode gig in Dublin next month.

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Well it's true, most people here never even heard of New Order. Says it all really ......

Cause they're not fuckin cool like me haha

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Snoopy wrote: I remember being in a bar in Krakow once and all that was played was either Depeche Mode or The Cure. And I know for sure that i'm sharing a lift with a couple of Czechs for the Depeche Mode gig in Dublin next month.

it must have had really cheap beer to make you stay! or cute bar staff....

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£1 a pint Hibster, you can't be bad to that. Quality beer to, not like the pish you get in the UK

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SISTER SHED wrote: Well it's true, most people here never even heard of New Order. Says it all really ......

Cause they're not fuckin cool like me haha

Some might say you're not a great advert for NO, M... Not that I'm saying that, but... some might say... :evil4:

SHEDi xxx

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SHEDimon wrote:

Some might say you're not a great advert for NO, M... Not that I'm saying that, but... some might say... :evil4:

Explain!

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Can't comment on the Cure but Depeche Mode actually work their socks off for recognition, don't they, and tour these places to death. New Order, as far as I'm aware, have never played behind the (old) Iron Curtain, have they?

When we did Client in February in (the former East) Germany EVERYONE was a fcuking Goth. Have never seen anything like it. Goth City.

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SISTER SHED wrote:

SHEDimon wrote:

Some might say you're not a great advert for NO, M... Not that I'm saying that, but... some might say... :evil4:

Explain!

:ignore:

SHEDi xxx

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Al Jarvis wrote:

When we did Client in February in (the former East) Germany EVERYONE was a fcuking Goth. Have never seen anything like it. Goth City.

did you see batman?

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Al Jarvis wrote: New Order, as far as I'm aware, have never played behind the (old) Iron Curtain, have they?

Moscow in 1989, but that is it.

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SISTER SHED wrote:

GlasVegas wrote:

It's gotta have something to do with the bleak post-communist landscape no?

:skeptic:

Not so sure this line makes much sense or maybe I'm wrong but you just happened to meet the fans of the said bands and that's about it. I think it has nothing to do with the Eastern Europe countries. Are you trying to say that there are no DM and Cure fans in GlasVegas land? I pretty much doubt it.

:dunno:

Ummm. Did you read the post? I didn't write "went to Czechoslovakia and met a few Cure and Depeche Mode fans". I think I made the point quite clearly that ALMOST EVERYONE I met under the age of 30 was into one or other (rarely both) of the bands in a BIG way. And i was there for a year, so I met a whole bunch of people.

You also just need to look at the type of venues DM play in these countries, all massive stadiums. Could they fill a stadium in the UK? I don't think so.

I'm convinced it's got something to do with the bleak industrial backdrop of a lot of these former Soviet countries. The music suits it. I know there's a lot of lovely big cities in the Eastern Bloc but there's a lot of really depressing places too. Smog filled hell holes destroyed by heavy industry.

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Maybe it's just inherent. I'm Ukranian-American and I still like both bands - and New Order. Maybe it's the post-communist backdrop, maybe it goes well with the literature - Chekhov, Dostoevsky, and Gogol come to mind. But either way, they've got better taste in music than most American youth. Would you rather be around a bunch of gloomy Depeche and Cure fans or around some American kids who think 50 cent and the Pussy Cat Dolls are "the shit"? I'd take the former anyday.

Also, Depeche Mode has played in Moscow and other Russian cities, I believe. The Cure - according to the interview on the Trilogy discs - never played in Russia, although they were thinking about its setting to do their Trilogy concert, but they chose Germany instead for its familiarity.

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GlasVegas wrote:

Ummm. Did you read the post? I didn't write "went to Czechoslovakia and met a few Cure and Depeche Mode fans". I think I made the point quite clearly that ALMOST EVERYONE I met under the age of 30 was into one or other (rarely both) of the bands in a BIG way. And i was there for a year, so I met a whole bunch of people.

You also just need to look at the type of venues DM play in these countries, all massive stadiums. Could they fill a stadium in the UK? I don't think so.

I'm convinced it's got something to do with the bleak industrial backdrop of a lot of these former Soviet countries. The music suits it. I know there's a lot of lovely big cities in the Eastern Bloc but there's a lot of really depressing places too. Smog filled hell holes destroyed by heavy industry.

Alright, alright ........ You could be right though ... I still cannot explain why Americans on this site enjoy DM music while you peeps don't.

Well, not important actually

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Glas Vegas wrote

The best bit of graffitt I saw saidFUCK DEPECHE MODEwhich had been scored out by someone else and underneath it writtenNO, FUCK THE CURE!

I wrote that

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Time for Shed wrote: Glas Vegas wrote

The best bit of graffitt I saw saidFUCK DEPECHE MODEwhich had been scored out by someone else and underneath it writtenNO, FUCK THE CURE!

I wrote that

:laugh:

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i work with a hungarian guy and he was going on about depeche mode and how he had seen them and they are going to budapest twice this year etc, so i asked him if he liked New Order.

who?? was the reply.

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SISTER SHED wrote:

Alright, alright ........ You could be right though ... I still cannot explain why Americans on this site enjoy DM music while you peeps don't.

Americans are renowned for having little taste, by and large! :evil4:

We should think ourselves lucky that so many have the sense to like New Order!

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oldmonkey wrote:

SISTER SHED wrote:

Alright, alright ........ You could be right though ... I still cannot explain why Americans on this site enjoy DM music while you peeps don't.

Americans are renowned for having little taste, by and large! :evil4:

We should think ourselves lucky that so many have the sense to like New Order!

Sister Shed has a point. If I meet someone that likes DM then I always know they like the same groups. . .the only difference is the order they like them in. The bands always are: the Cure NO DM The Smiths/Morissey Radiohead REM (old stuff)

I too have found it interesting that alot from this site (non-Americans) don't have this same grouping.

JHC

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68 Pontiac wrote:

oldmonkey wrote:

SISTER SHED wrote:

Alright, alright ........ You could be right though ... I still cannot explain why Americans on this site enjoy DM music while you peeps don't.

Americans are renowned for having little taste, by and large! :evil4:

We should think ourselves lucky that so many have the sense to like New Order!

Sister Shed has a point. If I meet someone that likes DM then I always know they like the same groups. . .the only difference is the order they like them in. The bands always are: the Cure NO DM The Smiths/Morissey Radiohead REM (old stuff)

I too have found it interesting that alot from this site (non-Americans) don't have this same grouping.

JHC

You can also toss in Pet Shop Boys and Erasure in there..also (older) U2 on mainstream side

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oldmonkey wrote:

SISTER SHED wrote:

Alright, alright ........ You could be right though ... I still cannot explain why Americans on this site enjoy DM music while you peeps don't.

Americans are renowned for having little taste, by and large! :evil4:

We should think ourselves lucky that so many have the sense to like New Order!

And Brits always have good taste? You may have given us New Order (and Depeche Mode, the Cure, and PSB), but you do realize that you have to live down that your nation exported the Spice Girls, Ozzy Osbourne, and George Michael.

Or what about that Crazy Frog? That's so awful you can't even let that lose on our country, where Britney Spears and Jessican Simpson are considered "singers."

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I've almost shagged one (1) Eastern Idaho girl. :nod:

She was a huge DM fan.

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Moscow in 1989, but that is it.

I don't think so. I would have gone to it...

Autumns are lovely

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This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote: Ozzy Osbourne

Watch it!:boxer: :boxer::boxer::boxer:

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George Michael

Yeah, what Chris said!

(Are we on the air ... ?)

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Depeche Mode are poo!!!!!

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This is not a east-european thing, it's a worldwide thing.

Except in the UK it seems.

Over here, nobody below 40 don't know who is Depeche Mode and The Cure... but nobody knows who are New Order.. I have to insist and tell them, you know who they are but you just don't know it's them, by telling them about Blue Monday, Bizarre Love Triangle and True Faith.

BLT is usually the one ringing a bell to most people to be honest. When I hear New Order on the radio, it's always either BLT or True Faith.

Depeche Mode on the other hand, is a chick magnet band.. seems like all girls of my generation had a crush on David Gahan in 1990... that was before he started to look like a hyppie 3 years later :lol:

As for The Cure... I really can't say... this band didn't get any airplay since Friday I'm In Love back in 1993, but it's considered as a "cult" band with their followers, but I don't think they are getting many new fans. It sure has something to do with Robert Smith's look, that's for sure.

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GlasVegas wrote:

Ummm. Did you read the post? I didn't write "went to Czechoslovakia and met a few Cure and Depeche Mode fans". I think I made the point quite clearly that ALMOST EVERYONE I met under the age of 30 was into one or other (rarely both) of the bands in a BIG way. And i was there for a year, so I met a whole bunch of people.

Well, that's fantastic. I wish it happened everywhere.

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let's see my music roots:

  • primary school - first time in my life I met rock'n'roll, I discovered ac/dc, black sabbath, jethro tull and others, together with my friends I put a paint on my face to play kiss:), everybody in my block had a guitar.
  • college - it was a time of listening to 4ad bands mainly, from pixies to tmc, I couldn't wait for next lp or next single, great time. Yes, there was also place for cure.
  • army - no music inclusive
  • my study - alcohol and party were my best music, hahaha

And now a short quiz: who can say Iam fookin eastern european's both cure and dm fan?

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gloom and doom has a certain appeal to Europeans. don't ask me why. it could be a cultural thing, or perhaps something to do with the history of the place. i'm only speculating here.

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Spotnick wrote: This is not a east-european thing, it's a worldwide thing.

Not really the point I was making. Worldwide DM, The Cure, PSB's etc are lumped together, agreed.

My qusetion is why do two bands, who aren't really on the radar in their own country, remain such a massive influence in Eastern Europe. And it's not even with an exclusively older crowd. From my numerous visits since 1991 I've seen no decline in this strange phenomenon. The kids are still mad for them!

So you can't say it's a worldwide thing. Would Depeche Mode fill a stadium in Montreal? No. Would they fill one in Prague, Tallin, Moscow, Warsaw, Kiev? Probably.

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Eastern europe still has a gothic feel to it. Especially in the architecture and arts...

and most eastern european women over 50 look like Fat Bob :uhoh:

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Barney Army wrote:

and most eastern european women over 50 look like Fat Bob :uhoh:

They don't. :nonono:

Liz Taylor does though.

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I have never seen Liz and Bob in the same room, could they be one and the same ?

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Barney Army wrote: Eastern europe still has a gothic feel to it. Especially in the architecture and arts...

Which is kinda the poin I'm trying to establish. Does people's physical environment, the political system they live under etc influence the music they like? If it does then I think that's pretty damn amazing. Well worth some young Sociologists time to investigate it.

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Really Maja? Well, that's new to me, and we do come from the same country (as far as I remember)...Most of my friends in Serbia LOVE New Order/Joy Division. Maybe you just chose the wrong crowd?

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also lyrics seem much cooler when you can't understand them.

while still under the communists there was much gloom and doom in eastern Europe. it wasn't really a fun place to be in. perhaps that music spoke to the people who lived there because of this.

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Anchor Girl wrote: Really Maja? Well, that's new to me, and we do come from the same country (as far as I remember)...Most of my friends in Serbia LOVE New Order/Joy Division. Maybe you just chose the wrong crowd?

:wink:

Good to hear from you again, AG.

Umm I'm only trying to say that most, certainly not all of them, haven't heard of the band. All my mates have though :)

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GlasVegas wrote:

Which is kinda the poin I'm trying to establish. Does people's physical environment, the political system they live under etc influence the music they like? If it does then I think that's pretty damn amazing. Well worth some young Sociologists time to investigate it.

yeh, thats what I was suggesting.

I think the bands image can be more influencial than the music itself, especially on the younger generation. That would explain DM in eastern europe.

I think that was the case with me & New Order all those years ago, I related to them coz they looked the same as any geezer on the street. I doubt I'd have come so far with the band if they wore makeup. In fact in these later years I'm sure they are copying my image :laugh:

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They're probably even bigger in Japan:laugh:

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GlasVegas wrote:

Barney Army wrote: Eastern europe still has a gothic feel to it. Especially in the architecture and arts...

Which is kinda the poin I'm trying to establish. Does people's physical environment, the political system they live under etc influence the music they like? If it does then I think that's pretty damn amazing. Well worth some young Sociologists time to investigate it.

how does this explain the american west's fascination with depeche mode, then? they sold out stadiums in los angeles and phoenix and were much more popular in the sunny, arid states than in the rust belt of the upper-midwest or the industrial northeast. hmmm.... :read:

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Four letters: KROQ

When I lived in southern California until 1984, this station was the New Order, DM, Cure, Smiths, EATB, etc. propaganda machine. Incredible radio station back then. Not sure what the opinion is nowadays.

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i remember on the 101 tour, DM sold out the rose bowl. the rose bowl. (for europeans, the rose bowl has approximately the same capacity as the nou camp). i think they've played at the sun devil stadium in tempe (home to the arizona state university football team) a few times (capacity: over 73,000). i can't imagine them pulling off this feat on the east coast!

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i remember on the 101 tour, DM sold out the rose bowl. the rose bowl. (for europeans, the rose bowl has approximately the same capacity as the nou camp). i think they've played at the sun devil stadium in tempe (home to the arizona state university football team) a few times (capacity: over 73,000).

And what is your point Christy ?

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i remember on the 101 tour, DM sold out the rose bowl.

Good call, Wood. I remember hearing somewhere that there were 77,000 there on that June evening. Hell, maybe somebody on here was there.

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Time for Shed wrote:

i remember on the 101 tour, DM sold out the rose bowl. the rose bowl. (for europeans, the rose bowl has approximately the same capacity as the nou camp). i think they've played at the sun devil stadium in tempe (home to the arizona state university football team) a few times (capacity: over 73,000).

And what is your point Christy ?

you left out the last sentence of my post...which is the crux of my argument, mike.

read my earlier post. if the theory is that DM and the cure are huge in places that are dreary and industrial, why, in america, are they the most popular in the sunniest 'vacation spots,' and can sell out these enormous college football stadiums there rather than in the northeast or the rust belt which are more similar in look and feel to eastern europe?

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GlasVegas wrote: .....why are both bands so fecking HUGE in Eastern Europe? I mentioned my year as a factory worker in Czechoslovakia in an earlier in post and it put me in mind of this fact.

Like you, I am someone from the West who lived several years in Czechoslovakia. I do not know Western towns like Plzeň, Most nor Liberec that much. I tried to avoid Prague as much as possible – too many foreigners so that I never felt myself in Czechoslovakia enough. Eastward, that is another matter. I even lived in Košice and worked sometimes in remote places like Humenné and Michalovce.

Where to begin ? Reading your post, I remembered the “panelák” which I could see from my window in Košice – a panelák is a flat made of preformed pieces of concrete. So it looks like a Western cheap council flat. There was a huge Depeche Mode sign on the balcony. I used to think that it was the fan club of the city. In fact, that was just a fan of the band.

I am very surprised by the fact that the Cure is a well-known band there. I once saw someone dressed like Robert Smith, nothing more.

On the other hand, Depeche Mode is a phenomenon there. There was even a local counterpart of them called Shalom. Do you know them ? I often think that the title “music for the masses” was designed to suit the situation on the other side of the curtain. They played behind it far before the others. Let’s have a look to the sleeves. It reminds communist propaganda. Titles like “get the balance right” sounds very left benchers like. “Everything counts” could be heard like an anti-capitalist manifesto. Add songs about friendship, love and so on, everything is in it. And… maybe, the lyrics were also ok with the censorship.

Still astonished by the Cure success you experienced.

About PSB, not a single day without a couple of songs of them on any radio. That was my surprise number two over there.

Now, let’s go in records shops. Not a lot of choice ? At least, less than by us. Have you seen the prices ? A CD from abroad costs at least 200 crowns more. Tell me if you can collect a lot them when a CD costs from 400 to 700 Kč / Sk when you monthly earn 6,000 to 8,000 crowns ? It is a luxury more like… Now, if you have a record shop, will you dare import all the New Order discography ? This is not played that much on the radio… How many people know ? Will I succeed to sell them ? What if I find myself with 2,400 crowns CD of a band which is not a good-seller ? Do they make big tours ? In UK, ok, USA also, some towns on the Continent and then ? How many times have they played in Vienna or Helsinki for example ? And… New Order as an association of two words sounds very neo-nazi in my opinion. So, no chance with the Party’s line.

Still about the Cure, I would not be surprised if they were successful in Hungary. I am amazed by the fact that Hungarians are far much obsessed by death and suicide than the other Europeans. It surprised me a lot. Never seen a so active cold-wave scene anywhere else (by the beginning of the 90’s). Most of my Slovak friends who like “dark music” are from Hungarian origins.

A few words, out of subject. Here in Montpellier, it was a bit hard to be a New Order fan. The Cure fans always told me that Joy Division were ok but that New Order were crap. And the fans of the Cure were the only ones to be friend with… no other alternatives. New Order were too much acoustic and dark to the fans of Depeche Mode… … which were the most numerous. So, a lot of people boycotted them – a way to be posh…

Well all that to say that the Cure is more popular in the South of Europe in my opinion and that Depeche Mode is in Central and Eastern Europe. And when you are a New Order fan, there is only NOOL to give you some comfort !

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arek p. wrote:

  • college - it was a time of listening to 4ad bands mainly, from pixies to tmc, I couldn't wait for next lp or next single, great time. Yes, there was also place for cure.
  • army - no music inclusive

Exactly the same for the college time...

In the army, that was Portishead. The first time I heard them, I was dressed in a uniform... "'cause nobody loves me" - what a hugly place to be are barracks when you are no professional soldier...

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AgentWood wrote:

Time for Shed wrote:

i remember on the 101 tour, DM sold out the rose bowl. the rose bowl. (for europeans, the rose bowl has approximately the same capacity as the nou camp). i think they've played at the sun devil stadium in tempe (home to the arizona state university football team) a few times (capacity: over 73,000).

And what is your point Christy ?

you left out the last sentence of my post...which is the crux of my argument, mike.

read my earlier post. if the theory is that DM and the cure are huge in places that are dreary and industrial, why, in america, are they the most popular in the sunniest 'vacation spots,' and can sell out these enormous college football stadiums there rather than in the northeast or the rust belt which are more similar in look and feel to eastern europe?

True Wood, but there is a huge reason why the Hollywood Bowl could sell that many. During that time two radio stations were the Mecca of the American New Wave / punk / alternative / goth music. KROQ in Los Angelos and 91X in Baja California.

91X was important, since they are a pirate radio station. Since they are in Mexico they weren't restricted to US broadcasting rules; so they played any song they wanted to, and they could boost their signal so high I've been told it even reached parts of Arizona. It caused for a wide acceptance of new artists as the listener listened to more than their singles, and wasn't beat over the head with overplay of songs.

KROQ was important, because they set up alot of the big concerts (101 rose bowl included), and alot of the "multi-artists" venues. Such examples are Lalapalooza, Accustic Christmas, Cochella.

So I agree that the darker areas have more fans because of enviroment, California is different because of the radio stations around.

JHC

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hmmm...I bet Perry Farrell will be very intrigued to find out that KROQ set up Lollapalooza...

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I'm polish and a big fan of DM, can't say the same about The Cure though...When i was a teenager you could either be a :

  • DM fan
  • The Cure fan
  • punk rock fan
  • goth fan (DM do not come into this formula)
  • heavy metal fan

You had to be one of them. I was a punk rock chick back then. Being a DM fan was a bit embarassing back then because they were having those weird hairdo's and strange shoe wear...but apart from that i couldn't listen to DM being a punk rock lass, could i?:)

I did finally get into DM but only 7 years ago or something and because it was my decision to do so, i'm more proud of it as it was not a fashion thing. Love them to bits now and have seen them three times and Dave Gahan solo (not so good...).

I have to admit that there's definitely something about some bands and Central Europe...For example: Dead Can Dance, Cocteau Twins, Jean Michelle Jarre, Fish and Marillion and so on...were and are still big there but when you leave the area they aren't at all...I know because i've seen smashing gig by Dead Can Dance last year and the biggest 'posh' venue in Warsaw was packed. Not to mention that the tickets sold out on the spot.

My opinion about those bands being big there is that we Slavs are very emotional and let's face it - that kind of music does the trick, doesn't it? Have had this conversations with my polish mates and it took us maaany hours and many bottles of vodka to solve this mystery :idea:

One other thing, i've been to Roskilde festival three times and will go there next month already and i've never seen so many black, goth, speed and all the the other types of metal fans!!! They're absolutely bonkers up there! So maybe out next thread should apply to all those mad about metal music Scandinavians:D

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oh and forgot to add that i love all those indie parties here (that's why im in Mcr:) ) but really miss DM parties that i've been to in Warsaw! Having been to many different gigs and parties (i hope you do not classify me as just a DM fan, the list can go on and on...)i've never been to any other party that could be so peaceful and friendly. I've never felt like a member of a one big DM fans family! It's absolutely amazing! No violence - it's all about Dave Gahan's lookalikes and practising his famous hips shaking:)

I really do miss it....Does anyone know about any DM parties in Mcr? Much appreciated!!

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LE Roberts wrote:

Moscow in 1989, but that is it.

I don't think so. I would have gone to it...

Well it definitely happened, March 89 I think it was.

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Visit the link I had with the post, OldMonkey - you'll understand the tongue-in-cheek response.

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GlasVegas wrote:

Spotnick wrote: This is not a east-european thing, it's a worldwide thing.

Not really the point I was making. Worldwide DM, The Cure, PSB's etc are lumped together, agreed.

My qusetion is why do two bands, who aren't really on the radar in their own country, remain such a massive influence in Eastern Europe. And it's not even with an exclusively older crowd. From my numerous visits since 1991 I've seen no decline in this strange phenomenon. The kids are still mad for them!

So you can't say it's a worldwide thing. Would Depeche Mode fill a stadium in Montreal? No. Would they fill one in Prague, Tallin, Moscow, Warsaw, Kiev? Probably.

Er.. yes Depeche Mode would fill a stadium in Montreal. They are filling the Bell Centre twice, so technically, that's the size of a stadium ;) (Bell Center is about 15K people in its rock concert configuration), but the acoustic is so bad at the Olympic Stadium that I wouldn't want to see them there anyways.

But I did get your point... maybe it has to due with the Berlin wall being broken when Depeche Mode was on top of the charts with Violator, so it was one of their first contact with pop culture outside of communism.. I have no idea! :shrug:

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Spotnick wrote: But I did get your point... maybe it has to due with the Berlin wall being broken when Depeche Mode was on top of the charts with Violator, so it was one of their first contact with pop culture outside of communism.. I have no idea! :shrug:

I am no "I know everything about Depeche Mode" man, but I think they played behind the wall a few years before it fell.

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LE Roberts wrote:

i remember on the 101 tour, DM sold out the rose bowl.

Good call, Wood. I remember hearing somewhere that there were 77,000 there on that June evening. Hell, maybe somebody on here was there.

I was there and it was an amazing day. It was Thomas Dolby & OMD supporting. Don't remember Dolby's set, however OMD's was so good I was thinking they may over-shadow DM's performance. Fortunately, it didn't happen! DM's set was awesome. I even made it into a background scene of 101. :thumb:

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68Pontiac wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Time for Shed wrote:

i remember on the 101 tour, DM sold out the rose bowl. the rose bowl. (for europeans, the rose bowl has approximately the same capacity as the nou camp). i think they've played at the sun devil stadium in tempe (home to the arizona state university football team) a few times (capacity: over 73,000).

And what is your point Christy ?

you left out the last sentence of my post...which is the crux of my argument, mike.

read my earlier post. if the theory is that DM and the cure are huge in places that are dreary and industrial, why, in america, are they the most popular in the sunniest 'vacation spots,' and can sell out these enormous college football stadiums there rather than in the northeast or the rust belt which are more similar in look and feel to eastern europe?

True Wood, but there is a huge reason why the Hollywood Bowl could sell that many. During that time two radio stations were the Mecca of the American New Wave / punk / alternative / goth music. KROQ in Los Angelos and 91X in Baja California.

91X was important, since they are a pirate radio station. Since they are in Mexico they weren't restricted to US broadcasting rules; so they played any song they wanted to, and they could boost their signal so high I've been told it even reached parts of Arizona. It caused for a wide acceptance of new artists as the listener listened to more than their singles, and wasn't beat over the head with overplay of songs.

KROQ was important, because they set up alot of the big concerts (101 rose bowl included), and alot of the "multi-artists" venues. Such examples are Lalapalooza, Accustic Christmas, Cochella.

So I agree that the darker areas have more fans because of enviroment, California is different because of the radio stations around.

JHC

Two corrections:

* 91X's transmitter is located in Baja, however they are not a pirate station.

* KROQ was responsible for Acoustic Xmas, but not Coachella or Lalapalooza.

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