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when i see someone pissing on a grave i think of someone, erm, pissing on a grave. so you're not offended that car dealerships use the flag for their own purposes? to me that's more offensive, because it's more insidious.
the last country i can think of that revered its flag so much was nazi germany; they banned flag-burning in the third reich. back when the flag-burning amendment was being debated all i could see was little swastikas dancing in my head.
68Pontiac wrote:
AgentWood wrote:
68Pontiac wrote:
Comrade Shampanyov, Gentleman wrote: In the grander scheme of things, what's more harmful to a democracy? Flag-burning? Banning flag-burning? Or stealing elections?
Kind of like asking, which is worse for society raping or murdering of indiviuals?
People shouldn't burn the flag, and there should be no need for a law about it, the same as illegitimate elections.
JHC
i think your analogy is a wee bit off. flag-burning and stealing elections to rape and murder? the flag is a piece of cloth! i've never understood the almost holy reverence for it. hardly in the same category as rape or murder.
The Flag is more than a piece of cloth. . .it's a symbol of of something as fragile as an idea. . .the idea of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Many have shed their blood over this idea. When I see the Flag, I see my fellow Marine's and the others from the past, to ensure this fragile idea survives.
To me, burning the Flag is like pissing on the grave of anyone that has made this country great and bettered the world.JHC
Do you truly believe that burning the flag does as much harm to our democracy as passing laws that restrict our liberties? Or as much harm as stealing elections? In what way is the damage comparable?
To me, passing laws that restrict our liberties is pissing on the graves of everybody who ever died for this country. And stealing elections make dieing for this country pointless, because it's no longer a democracy, and that is pissing on the graves of everybody who ever died for this country.
Comrade Shampanyov, Gentleman wrote: Do you truly believe that burning the flag does as much harm to our democracy as passing laws that restrict our liberties? Or as much harm as stealing elections? In what way is the damage comparable?
To me, passing laws that restrict our liberties is pissing on the graves of everybody who ever died for this country. And stealing elections make dieing for this country pointless, because it's no longer a democracy, and that is pissing on the graves of everybody who ever died for this country.
Comrade, It's like comparing apples to oranges. I'm not saying either is more important than the other. They are both important.
On flag burning - Our world has become a very selfish consuming population. The world has turned to a more scientific lifestyle, in that everything needs an answer people can see. Certian aspects of life are being lost in the shuffle, the important intangible things and idealogies. The greatness of the US lies in the idealogy of the Founding Fathers. . .but it is getting lost. People complain that no one is following the idealogy, but yet those same people don't want to believe or live it themselves. The population at large has become selfish, and believe that "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" come free, and complain when the responsibilities of those freedoms knock on their door. The Flag is way more than a piece of material, and when our population has forgotten this, so will the idealogies our country was founded on be forgotten.
On curruption in elections: I agree this is an evil as you described. It must not be allowed. (but that doesn't mean I put any clout in the RS article).
Both are important.
JHC
the way i see it, many people are more concerned with protecting the flag than protecting the ideals that it's meant to represent. i'd rather pledge allegiance to the constitution, the actual document that gives us our rights and lays out our responsibilities, than to a piece of cloth. i never say the pledge of allegiance because i find it unnecessary and a bit fascistic, to be honest.
Jiphy wrote:
Tex wrote: To put an even finer point on it, my point was that you are so aghast at a modern country having a majority of it's populace believing in "religious tales" while your country slowly (or not so slowly via immigrant birth rates) morphs into that very thing via immigration.
I have also decided to improve my English. What is the meaning of the word populace ? In my language this is a very very offending way to talk about population.
Populace just means the general population. Nothing offensive about it, at least not in America. I suppose it can mean the common people, but as far as I know, no one takes offense to it in America.
AgentWood wrote: the way i see it, many people are more concerned with protecting the flag than protecting the ideals that it's meant to represent. i'd rather pledge allegiance to the constitution, the actual document that gives us our rights and lays out our responsibilities, than to a piece of cloth. i never say the pledge of allegiance because i find it unnecessary and a bit fascistic, to be honest.
I don't know about fascist, but I would say it's unecessary and a bit insulting to those not in the Judeo-Christian sect. What if you're Buddhist, Hindu, agnostic, or, heaven forbid, atheist. Just shut up and say the pledge? I thought we had a secular government.
68Pontiac wrote:
Comrade Shampanyov, Gentleman wrote: Do you truly believe that burning the flag does as much harm to our democracy as passing laws that restrict our liberties? Or as much harm as stealing elections? In what way is the damage comparable?
To me, passing laws that restrict our liberties is pissing on the graves of everybody who ever died for this country. And stealing elections make dieing for this country pointless, because it's no longer a democracy, and that is pissing on the graves of everybody who ever died for this country.
Comrade, It's like comparing apples to oranges. I'm not saying either is more important than the other. They are both important.
On flag burning - Our world has become a very selfish consuming population. The world has turned to a more scientific lifestyle, in that everything needs an answer people can see. Certian aspects of life are being lost in the shuffle, the important intangible things and idealogies. The greatness of the US lies in the idealogy of the Founding Fathers. . .but it is getting lost. People complain that no one is following the idealogy, but yet those same people don't want to believe or live it themselves. The population at large has become selfish, and believe that "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" come free, and complain when the responsibilities of those freedoms knock on their door. The Flag is way more than a piece of material, and when our population has forgotten this, so will the idealogies our country was founded on be forgotten.
On curruption in elections: I agree this is an evil as you described. It must not be allowed. (but that doesn't mean I put any clout in the RS article).
Both are important.
JHC
68, we agree more than we possibly realize, although we may differ in the details.
Jiphy wrote:
Shellshocker wrote: A theory can have several slightly different meanings in English. Otherwise it would be too easy! A theory is usually a well thought out idea, based on observations, etc. However, it can also merely be a conjecture, though, which is more the way I meant it with you.
So, it was not theorizing if I get it right...
Once a theory can be conclusively, absolutely proven to be correct, it becomes a law. Like certain laws of physics, for example.
Comrade Shampanyov, Gentleman wrote: 68, we agree more than we possibly realize, although we may differ in the details.
Kind of figured, but always good to know. 
JHC
