Top stories: Plane Terror Plot Disrupted Threat Involved 'Mid-Flight Explosions' Passengers Face Chaos After Bomb Breaking NewsSecurity raised to 'critical' Plane Terror Plot ThwartedUpdated: 09:16, Thursday August 10, 2006Police have disrupted a major plot to blow up as many as 20 planes over UK and US cities with explosive devices smuggled aboard as hand luggage.Police have arrested 20 people in London - the culmination of a covert counter-terrorist operation lasting several months.Big queues were building up at UK airports as passengers trying to board international flights were not being allowed to carry on normal hand luggage.Security sources are said to be believe that liquid explosives would have been used and could therefore be missed during the x-ray screening of such luggage.Queues at Heathrow Sky News' Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said he had been told the threat was imminent and those arrested were mainly young, British-born Asian men.The Home Secretary John Reid said the alleged plot was a "major threat" to bring down a number of planes.The Home Office's level of security - indicating public risk - has been raised from 'severe' to 'critical'.The US government has also raised its threat assessment to the highest level for commercial flights from Britain to America.Flights have been cancelled Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said: "We believe that these arrests (in London) have significantly disrupted the threat, but we cannot be sure that the threat has been entirely eliminated or the plot completely thwarted."In Britain, there have been lengthy queues at most airports with many domestic flights cancelled.Flights scheduled into Heathrow were cancelled - apart from those already in the air.Flights to Britain with the German carrier Lufthansa, Spanish airline Iberia and Greek carrier Olympic were cancelled.The British Airports Authority urged passengers not to go to Heathrow unless absolutely necessary.:: Security experts said such an attack would have a precedent - during the 1990s, a plot was foiled to blow up 12 Western airliners simultaneously in Asia.The plot, which would have killed thousands, was scuppered when plans were found in the Philippines base of terrorist Ramzi Yousef who also planned the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing.
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(still) Feeling a little sick and a whole lot angry about this latest news. Empathy for all those waiting. Relieved that it was stopped..
EDIT : oops too much information last night. current Security issues being experienced everywhere now has to be considered more closely. just being practical but not scared at all. Situation is Sadd really.
bastards.wonder if it was timed on the opening of the 9/11 film in america.thank GOD that we have a good intellegence network
20 planes!! Can't believe such a high number.
Even though they've prevented these attacks it makes you wonder what else these people may have up their sleeves :(
Cunts.
Looks like it's gonna cause disruption for a long time coming too. You seen some of the implications of this? No hand luggage whatsoever. And you're not allowed the likes of mobile phones or iPods on planes anymore. Farcical, but probably necessary given the circumstances this vermin will stoop to.
NOOLigan wrote: don't let the terrorists win continue to lead your normal life including air travel.
easier fucking said than done though Ron - you can't have normal air travel when they ban things like hand luggage!
Just had one of my mates going on about how his next door neighbours got arrested yesterday, they think in conjunction with this. Some local feeling seems to be that they should be packing all the Pakistanis on these planes and sending 'em back to Pakistan, and refusing entry to the country should they try and get back in!
oldmonkey wrote: Just had one of my mates going on about how his next door neighbours got arrested yesterday, they think in conjunction with this. Some local feeling seems to be that they should be packing all the Pakistanis on these planes and sending 'em back to Pakistan, and refusing entry to the country should they try and get back in!
Tell the locals: Many terrorists are British passport holders and a blanket reactionary deportation of immigrants means people will soon be complaining that we have no bus drivers, porters, cleaners etc...
oldmonkey wrote:
NOOLigan wrote: don't let the terrorists win continue to lead your normal life including air travel.
easier fucking said than done though Ron - you can't have normal air travel when they ban things like hand luggage!
we'll just have to put up with a few inconviences won't we.
oldmonkey wrote:
NOOLigan wrote: don't let the terrorists win continue to lead your normal life including air travel.
easier fucking said than done though Ron - you can't have normal air travel when they ban things like hand luggage!
Speaking from experience, most hand luggage is just people trying to avoid paying excess baggage because they're carrying too much. I can't remember the last time I saw anybody take anything out of the overhead bins on a flight except their washbag.
As to the Pakistanis, the report I read said they were 'British born of Asian origin'....
Our Frank just phoned from John Lennon Airport. He's works in baggage handling. he said its great. fuck all work to do. no moaning bastard passengers. He said it just tea drinking out the back and playing games of chase the ace with the lads. One of the slackest days he's can remember.
see...its not that bad for everyone.
Craig W wrote:
oldmonkey wrote: Just had one of my mates going on about how his next door neighbours got arrested yesterday, they think in conjunction with this. Some local feeling seems to be that they should be packing all the Pakistanis on these planes and sending 'em back to Pakistan, and refusing entry to the country should they try and get back in!
Tell the locals: Many terrorists are British passport holders and a blanket reactionary deportation of immigrants means people will soon be complaining that we have no bus drivers, porters, cleaners etc...
AND there would be no ASIAN TAKEAWAY CURRIES !!
we could get them to make a few million tons of curry before they leave and freeze it all
Steve Lea wrote:
oldmonkey wrote:
NOOLigan wrote: don't let the terrorists win continue to lead your normal life including air travel.
easier fucking said than done though Ron - you can't have normal air travel when they ban things like hand luggage!
Speaking from experience, most hand luggage is just people trying to avoid paying excess baggage because they're carrying too much. I can't remember the last time I saw anybody take anything out of the overhead bins on a flight except their washbag.
As to the Pakistanis, the report I read said they were 'British born of Asian origin'....
I WAS rather planning to take me clothes over in hand baggage in Oct, cos there's no fuckin way they were letting me take my gadget bag in the cabin. time to consider plan B.
As for the situation in general, i dislike terrorists a great deal, they are chickenshit. It'll get so bad that getting on a plane will be like going into woolworths in belfast in 1978
Given my job, two things come to mind......
- thank fuck I'm off til Monday and
- EDIT, actually I will delete 2 cos it's a sacking offence to discuss it, but I am SPOOKED by something I heard in work.
I feel sorry for the parents of kids on a four plus hour flight. How do you keep them amused if there's no hand luggage or are crayons, felt tip pens considered dangerous? Will the humble watch be designated to the hold as well for fear of being a remote control?
Defo sad.
Bere wrote: Well, who can deny that we are taking big steps towards WW3?
i am increasingly of the opinion it's what we deserve, possibly even WANT. Bout time the cockroaches had a chance anyway, we've had a decent innings. We can let off all our bombs and germs and nastiness....give it a 100,000 years, a million, 10 million and this will again be a beautiful blue-green orb, and all the better without us.
Bere wrote: Well, who can deny that we are taking big steps towards WW3?
Where you guys invading now then? 
Doctor? wrote:
Bere wrote: Well, who can deny that we are taking big steps towards WW3?
i am increasingly of the opinion it's what we deserve, possibly even WANT. Bout time the cockroaches had a chance anyway, we've had a decent innings. We can let off all our bombs and germs and nastiness....give it a 100,000 years, a million, 10 million and this will again be a beautiful blue-green orb, and all the better without us.
That's exactly what I think...
Didn't someone predict 2012 as the end of the world? So it looks fine so far... Bombs, Volcanoes, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, dry periods...
oldmonkey wrote:
Bere wrote: Well, who can deny that we are taking big steps towards WW3?
Where you guys invading now then?
Well I think it's time for the others to invade somewhere. E.g. the US are big in doing so in these times...
oldmonkey wrote:
Bere wrote: Well, who can deny that we are taking big steps towards WW3?
Where you guys invading now then?
Aye, I don't think it counts as a WORLD war unless Bere's lot kick it off, France surrenders, Belgium gets flattened in the crossfire, we do all the fighting and the yanks weigh in late and make movies about how they won it until the end of time (in this case, about 3 days after it starts proper I should imagine)
Bere wrote: Didn't someone predict 2012 as the end of the world? So it looks fine so far... Bombs, Volcanoes, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, dry periods...
Nostradamus ?
Jiphy wrote:
Bere wrote: Didn't someone predict 2012 as the end of the world? So it looks fine so far... Bombs, Volcanoes, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, dry periods...
Nostradamus ?
I think it was the South American indians...
The Mayan's I believe have a calendar which features several "ends" of the world, 2012 being the "final end".
Nostrilfuckwitt sid it would be earlier this year I think, although i am sure his followers have double-think their way out of it.
Don't even THINK about what's happening, every neuron you fire over this, is a little victory for the tossers.
Bere wrote: Well, who can deny that we are taking big steps towards WW3?
Unless it is proven that countries like China or India are involved, I cannot see a third major conflict. Just because Saddam Hussein's mighty army (ranked third by US Army rankings) surrended with less casualties than the French one in 1940. I wonder how long could last this WW3. The American army has so many weapons that, to make a balance, all the other countries of the world would have to unite to give a response. And I doubt this is going to happen someday.
PHD wrote: I feel sorry for the parents of kids on a four plus hour flight. How do you keep them amused if there's no hand luggage or are crayons, felt tip pens considered dangerous? Will the humble watch be designated to the hold as well for fear of being a remote control?
Defo sad.
Absolute nightmare for those with kids, where would we be without Top Trumps, and colouring books!! Lets just hope on a lighter matter that the airlines look to provide the necessary things to make the journeys less tedious. I.E sweeties, pop and crisps for all, as well as some decent reading matter. Also, what about people on medication?? Just thought about that.
lucyjane wrote:
PHD wrote: I feel sorry for the parents of kids on a four plus hour flight. How do you keep them amused if there's no hand luggage or are crayons, felt tip pens considered dangerous? Will the humble watch be designated to the hold as well for fear of being a remote control?
Defo sad.
Absolute nightmare for those with kids, where would we be without Top Trumps, and colouring books!! Lets just hope on a lighter matter that the airlines look to provide the necessary things to make the journeys less tedious. I.E sweeties, pop and crisps for all, as well as some decent reading matter. Also, what about people on medication?? Just thought about that.
Apparently tablet form meds are allowed.
I think they'll have to section off a kids and no-kids area of aircraft. I'm with Bill Hicks, I'm not allowed to smoke cos it bothers other passengers, I find this perfectly acceptable, but only if I can fly without screaming fuckin wee'uns. No offence whatsoever to those who have the wee blighters.
Doctor? wrote: i am increasingly of the opinion it's what we deserve, possibly even WANT.
You are right maybe. Sometimes I wonder if we are not feeling like the parents of our grand-parents before WWI. I was teached in school that people were happy to go to war by summer 1914. It was said that all would be over by the end of the year, if earlier. And people lived in the hell of tranchées for 4 years.
lucyjane wrote: Absolute nightmare for those with kids.
Right. Absolute nightmare for those with kids. Absolute nightmare for those without kids who will travel sitting next to the ones with kids. And more absolute nightmare for those without kids and on medication who will travel sitting next to the ones with kids.
Doctor? wrote:
I think they'll have to section off a kids and no-kids area of aircraft. I'm with Bill Hicks, I'm not allowed to smoke cos it bothers other passengers, I find this perfectly acceptable, but only if I can fly without screaming fuckin wee'uns. No offence whatsoever to those who have the wee blighters.
+1. Oh, the happy days when I could smoke in the face of a "wee blighters" on a plane. "Wee blighters" should be banned from planes or pay extra-taxes for the inconveniance. I never understood the : under 2, journey free. And I think people should do like my parents did with me. They used to leave me by my grand-parents until the age of 6 when they travelled around. It must be hard to let the babies by someone if you go on holidays but I think it is a better option.
Jiphy wrote:
Doctor? wrote:
I think they'll have to section off a kids and no-kids area of aircraft. I'm with Bill Hicks, I'm not allowed to smoke cos it bothers other passengers, I find this perfectly acceptable, but only if I can fly without screaming fuckin wee'uns. No offence whatsoever to those who have the wee blighters.
+1. Oh, the happy days when I could smoke in the face of a "wee blighters" on a plane. "Wee blighters" should be banned from planes or pay extra-taxes for the inconveniance. I never understood the : under 2, journey free. And I think people should do like my parents did with me. They used to leave me by my grand-parents until the age of 6 when they travelled around. It must be hard to let the babies by someone if you go on holidays but I think it is a better option.
Explains your attitude...
Doctor? wrote: The Mayan's I believe have a calendar which features several "ends" of the world, 2012 being the "final end".
Nostrilfuckwitt sid it would be earlier this year I think, although i am sure his followers have double-think their way out of it.
Don't even THINK about what's happening, every neuron you fire over this, is a little victory for the tossers.
i shall consult my mayan calendar.
Steve Lea wrote:
Speaking from experience, most hand luggage is just people trying to avoid paying excess baggage because they're carrying too much. I can't remember the last time I saw anybody take anything out of the overhead bins on a flight except their washbag.
No, I bring carry-on because I hate checking my luggage. If I can do it all in carry on (obviously not likely for long stays) then I do. It's also good to carry with you what you can't afford to have have lost, as checked baggage does get lost sometimes. I even heard no beverages, including bottled water (tough for me) and no drugs except prescription drugs. I am glad that I don't plan on flying till February. Even gladder that this plot was foiled! It seems like Intelligence is one thing the US doesn't do as well as many other countries.
PHD wrote: I feel sorry for the parents of kids on a four plus hour flight. How do you keep them amused if there's no hand luggage or are crayons, felt tip pens considered dangerous? Will the humble watch be designated to the hold as well for fear of being a remote control?
Defo sad.
I wonder if they're allowing baby bottles?
Bere wrote:
Doctor? wrote:
Bere wrote: Well, who can deny that we are taking big steps towards WW3?
i am increasingly of the opinion it's what we deserve, possibly even WANT. Bout time the cockroaches had a chance anyway, we've had a decent innings. We can let off all our bombs and germs and nastiness....give it a 100,000 years, a million, 10 million and this will again be a beautiful blue-green orb, and all the better without us.
Didn't someone predict 2012 as the end of the world? So it looks fine so far... Bombs, Volcanoes, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, dry periods...
I saw something on TV just a few days ago about 2012 being predicted as the end of the world. For the life of me, I can't remember who predicted it, though. I think it was maybe another interpretation of Nostrodamus's stuff?
Bere wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
Bere wrote: Didn't someone predict 2012 as the end of the world? So it looks fine so far... Bombs, Volcanoes, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, dry periods...
Nostradamus ?
I think it was the South American indians...
That's it! I should've read all the posts before replying. I think it was the Aztecs. Man, I wish I had a better memory.
Jiphy wrote:
Doctor? wrote: i am increasingly of the opinion it's what we deserve, possibly even WANT.
You are right maybe. Sometimes I wonder if we are not feeling like the parents of our grand-parents before WWI. I was teached in school that people were happy to go to war by summer 1914. It was said that all would be over by the end of the year, if earlier. And people lived in the hell of tranchées for 4 years.
That's true. People thought WW1 would be a "fun" war, and they were horribly wrong, but I don't think too many people in the West have that opinion these days. Except maybe Bush.
Doctor? wrote:
oldmonkey wrote:
Bere wrote: Well, who can deny that we are taking big steps towards WW3?
Where you guys invading now then?
Aye, I don't think it counts as a WORLD war unless Bere's lot kick it off, France surrenders, Belgium gets flattened in the crossfire, we do all the fighting and the yanks weigh in late and make movies about how they won it until the end of time (in this case, about 3 days after it starts proper I should imagine)
Yeah, you like the way we Americans cracked Germany's Enigma cipher machine in U-571?
J.A.K wrote: aaahh fcuk this:-
eres the new lad Gonzo.
:p
can't you take at least a few things seriously?
NOOLigan wrote:
J.A.K wrote: aaahh fcuk this:-
eres the new lad Gonzo.
:p
can't you take at least a few things seriously?
Of course Ron. in real life mate
but not on here.
jonathan wrote: i'm just relieved that I returned from london last evening, and i missed this madness.
Wow! You are a very lucky person. Missed it by the skin of your teeth. You'd probalby be there an extra doy or so otherwise.
Jiphy wrote:
lucyjane wrote: Absolute nightmare for those with kids.
Right. Absolute nightmare for those with kids. Absolute nightmare for those without kids who will travel sitting next to the ones with kids. And more absolute nightmare for those without kids and on medication who will travel sitting next to the ones with kids.
As a parent I COULD take absolute offence to this....but I completely agree, didn't take our kids on a plane until they were old enough to behave themselves, and if the don't one look is all it takes. There is nothing worse than screaming/badly behaved kids on a flight (or in a bloody restaurant!!!)
Excellent idea, segregated areas for kids and non kid travellers. 
Although, would that mean I have to put up with other peoples badly behaved monsters?
lucyjane wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
lucyjane wrote: Absolute nightmare for those with kids.
Right. Absolute nightmare for those with kids. Absolute nightmare for those without kids who will travel sitting next to the ones with kids. And more absolute nightmare for those without kids and on medication who will travel sitting next to the ones with kids.
As a parent I COULD take absolute offence to this....but I completely agree, didn't take our kids on a plane until they were old enough to behave themselves, and if the don't one look is all it takes. There is nothing worse than screaming/badly behaved kids on a flight (or in a bloody restaurant!!!)
Excellent idea, segregated areas for kids and non kid travellers.
As someone without kids, I give this idea the thumbs up.
Nice to know some people have consideration for others. Sometimes you almost need to take young chilren with you, like if you're going to visit relatives or something, but if you're going to the Riviera for the weekend, the kids don't need to be there.
J.A.K wrote: aaahh fcuk this:-
eres the new lad Gonzo.
:p
Born in Durban, RSA....
....plays for Chile 
Confusion33 wrote: Explains your attitude...
Note, that I do not mind on a charter flight.
But on a regular flight, when the majority of passengers travel alone for business purposes, that is another matter.
do they just chuck laptop cases in the main luggage holdall.
time to check your All Risks insurance policy, if so.
Doctor? wrote:
oldmonkey wrote:
Bere wrote: Well, who can deny that we are taking big steps towards WW3?
Where you guys invading now then?
Aye, I don't think it counts as a WORLD war unless Bere's lot kick it off, France surrenders, Belgium gets flattened in the crossfire, we do all the fighting and the yanks weigh in late and make movies about how they won it until the end of time (in this case, about 3 days after it starts proper I should imagine)
I think the 8th Air Force might have a little something to say about that.......
Shellshocker wrote:
Bere wrote:
Doctor? wrote:
Bere wrote: Well, who can deny that we are taking big steps towards WW3?
i am increasingly of the opinion it's what we deserve, possibly even WANT. Bout time the cockroaches had a chance anyway, we've had a decent innings. We can let off all our bombs and germs and nastiness....give it a 100,000 years, a million, 10 million and this will again be a beautiful blue-green orb, and all the better without us.
Didn't someone predict 2012 as the end of the world? So it looks fine so far... Bombs, Volcanoes, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, dry periods...
I saw something on TV just a few days ago about 2012 being predicted as the end of the world. For the life of me, I can't remember who predicted it, though. I think it was maybe another interpretation of Nostrodamus's stuff?
WW3 is happening already...
Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, parts of Africa- Overriding theme= Mainly Christian vs. Muslim wars, or should that be 'Bush sponsored Militarism vs. Countries he doesn't like' wars.
Also; isn't some kind of terrible solar flare on the cards for 2012??
The Rochester Airport is basically stating the following:
Passengers may not have liquids or gels of any size at the screening checkpoint or in the cabin of the aircraft. This includes beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, toothpaste, hair gel, and other items of similar consistency. Such items may be transported in checked baggage.
Passenger MAY have: baby formula, breast milk, or juice if a baby or small child is traveling, prescription medicine with a name that matches the passenger's ticket, insulin and essential other non-prescription medicines.
Beverages purchased in the sterile area (area after the screening checkpoint but before the gate) must be consumed before boarding the aircraft.
So, that answers my questions about the baby bottles, anyway.
They are saying that if you have baby bottles you MUST drink some of the contents in front of an official at check in......
Feel very sorry for any grandparents travelling with a bottle of mums finest expressed milk.... 
J.A.K wrote:
NOOLigan wrote:
J.A.K wrote: aaahh fcuk this:-
eres the new lad Gonzo.
:p
can't you take at least a few things seriously?
Of course Ron. in real life mate but not on here.
I'm not even concerned about it in real life.
Truth of the matter is... all it means is that I have to throw more shit in my overhead luggage and not carry my handbag.
it's likely only temporary anyway... :D
If it is true (omg conspiracy theories that it's just trying to keep the public scared notwithstanding), I'm glad that it was stopped and that makes me feel safer to fly transatlantic not less safe.
Just heard it suggested that the whole thing is a Bliar/Brown spin to deflect the media attention away from the stick they are getting over their Israel stance, and trying to make out that they care about the British people. Nothing would surprise me with these cunts.
oldmonkey wrote: Just heard it suggested that the whole thing is a Bliar/Brown spin to deflect the media attention away from the stick they are getting over their Israel stance, and trying to make out that they care about the British people. Nothing would surprise me with these cunts.
eh.
That's what everyone says every time something happens. Also, that it's fake just so people don't forget that there are terrorists and will support shitty opppressive terrorist policies.
You know what I heard?
I heard that there were some fellas who didn't like Western Policy towards the middle east and israel in particular...and they tried to bring explosives on a plane...to try and make their point known.
it's not as if hijacking and other ways of fucking with planes are new.... :P
Is there ever a major event that isn't accompanied by any number of conspiracy theories? I'm waiting for the Oliver Stone version of this event to come to the theaters.
Blair's still in the Caribbean inee on hol with the whale.
typically great timing from the Premier. just great!
J.A.K wrote: Blair's still in the Caribbean inee on hol with the whale.
typically great timing from the Premier. just great!
hahah
Christ
Glad everyone is safe. Good to see the intel community is coming together to get these bastards. Before 9/11 I think intel was fragmented that it couldn't handle an issue this large. Good to know that the improvements are catching these guys.
JHC
J.A.K wrote: Blair's still in the Caribbean inee on hol with the whale.
typically great timing from the Premier. just great!
wonder if he'll be delayed...
My parents flew out from Manchester this morning.
i even saw the news and it didn't even click that my parents would be invovled until my Gran phoned me frantically
Everything was fine though, just delayed a bit/no hand luggage etc
Shellshocker wrote: Yeah, you like the way we Americans cracked Germany's Enigma cipher machine in U-571?
Read a book, one of the books, last year on that Code breaking. Well written. Think that it was even err called Enigma but not sure.
english.aljazeera.net is running a few good political cartoons + ananova.com has a few obscure facts. Just to change pace to a minute.. ps thank-you internet cafés.
Shellshocker wrote:
Yeah, you like the way we Americans cracked Germany's Enigma cipher machine in U-571?
I dont think Americans cracked Enigma. Check this out.
SexShoping:
- hello. I want to buy a sexy dolly.
- yeah, which one, boy or girl?
- girl of course.
- black or white?
- erm, white.
- Christian or Muslim?
- wtf? It doesn't matter.
- it matters, sir. Muslim can blow your dick up.
sad, isn't it?
arek p. wrote: SexShoping:
- hello. I want to buy a sexy dolly.
- yeah, which one, boy or girl?
- girl of course.
- black or white?
- erm, white.
- Christian or Muslim?
- wtf? It doesn't matter.
- it matters, sir. Muslim can blow your dick up.
sad, isn't it?
if by sad you mean FUNLARIOUS!
I must confess I am angry that I, as a person with an education, am having my life constantly threatened by Muslims and Christians and other half-witts. Time we gave them somewhere to just hold each OTHER back and leave us alone. Apparently Gpd/Alah says antartica is nice this time of year.....don;t worry, you're all true believers, he will provide the heat, shelter and food if you pray.
BTW, RE: Enigma.....The yanks now claim Bletchley park is in Iowa then...what? Maybe they cannae deal with having been out clevered by a limey faggot? RE: is this fake.....well I am the sort to raise the simplest objecttions ( remember my curiosty that 20+ ppl died from blast injries on a bus last year without shedding ONE drop of blood), but given that Govt is the pawn of big business before all other functions, I would conclude this is all too real, because the money pissed up the wall to day and in the coming months, will be a MASSIVE blow to airline profits. (Of course if I suddenyl hear that the taxpayer is underwriting it all, I'm back into suspicious mode.....doubly so cos of all the battles NIR and Ulsterbus used to go through to have actual DESTROYED vehicles replaced by the NIO.....bloody hell the NHS had a hard enough time replacing burned out ambulances.....so N,000,000,000 being paid to airlines for a few late flights, that will tingle my paranoia bone.
I want to re-iterate something I have said several times before.....terrorists are terrorists for a reason......it's because they do NOT represent their community. It's simple logic....if you and 100 mates believe some whacky shit, you go off and plant bombs and the like. If however your entire people side with you...you raise and ARMY and fight. The IRA pissed the UK Govt off, right....but if every nationalist leaning catholic in NI had picked up a gun and mobilized, things would have been a bit more serious, yes? My point is that the "all muslims should be........." line of reason falls down at the very first basic analysis...if it was ALL muslims, they wouldn't NEED this kind of shit, they could raise a fucking HUGE army (a smarter one than any christian army, given that muslims write science books, and christians burn em...wasn't Islam that torched the library of alexandria and set humanity back possibly as much as 1000 years).
If we do let this turn into a real live nuke sxchange ( who with mind you?)....we're not just talking about the loss of som replacable human units....we are talking about the extermination of humanity's entire history.....Plato...gone...Newton....gone....Einstein....gone.....NEW ORDER...GONE! I wouldn;t care, except nothing of us has left the cradle yet except some probes......the universe's memory of our species will be 2 plaques and a couple of cdroms.....and that's the only thing that really saddens me....all of the last 100, 000 years of our developement....pissed up the wall.
arek p. wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Yeah, you like the way we Americans cracked Germany's Enigma cipher machine in U-571?
I dont think Americans cracked Enigma. Check this out.
I know. It was a joke, referring to Doctor?'s reference about how the "yanks weigh in late and make movies about how they won it until the end of time", hence the and the italicized we Americans in my post.
Unlike most Americans, I'm aware that it's the British who actually cracked the code. But, really, what kind of movie would that make?
Shellshocker wrote:
arek p. wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Yeah, you like the way we Americans cracked Germany's Enigma cipher machine in U-571?
I dont think Americans cracked Enigma. Check this out.
I know. It was a joke, referring to Doctor?'s reference about how the "yanks weigh in late and make movies about how they won it until the end of time", hence the
Whoops, and I took a return swipe at you for it, sorry mate :D
(a fooking boring film BTW, I seem to recall trying to watch a BBC thing about Turing....NAH!)
In fairnes the yanks DID capture the Kriegsmarine's Enigma that used an extra rotor, from a damaged U-boot that the captain made a dog's dick out of scuttling.
Doctor? wrote: I must confess I am angry that I, as a person with an education, am having my life constantly threatened by Muslims and Christians and other half-witts. Time we gave them somewhere to just hold each OTHER back and leave us alone. Apparently Gpd/Alah says antartica is nice this time of year.....don;t worry, you're all true believers, he will provide the heat, shelter and food if you pray.
BTW, RE: Enigma.....The yanks now claim Bletchley park is in Iowa then...what? Maybe they cannae deal with having been out clevered by a limey faggot? RE: is this fake.....well I am the sort to raise the simplest objecttions ( remember my curiosty that 20+ ppl died from blast injries on a bus last year without shedding ONE drop of blood), but given that Govt is the pawn of big business before all other functions, I would conclude this is all too real, because the money pissed up the wall to day and in the coming months, will be a MASSIVE blow to airline profits. (Of course if I suddenyl hear that the taxpayer is underwriting it all, I'm back into suspicious mode.....doubly so cos of all the battles NIR and Ulsterbus used to go through to have actual DESTROYED vehicles replaced by the NIO.....bloody hell the NHS had a hard enough time replacing burned out ambulances.....so N,000,000,000 being paid to airlines for a few late flights, that will tingle my paranoia bone.
I want to re-iterate something I have said several times before.....terrorists are terrorists for a reason......it's because they do NOT represent their community. It's simple logic....if you and 100 mates believe some whacky shit, you go off and plant bombs and the like. If however your entire people side with you...you raise and ARMY and fight. The IRA pissed the UK Govt off, right....but if every nationalist leaning catholic in NI had picked up a gun and mobilized, things would have been a bit more serious, yes? My point is that the "all muslims should be........." line of reason falls down at the very first basic analysis...if it was ALL muslims, they wouldn't NEED this kind of shit, they could raise a fucking HUGE army (a smarter one than any christian army, given that muslims write science books, and christians burn em...wasn't Islam that torched the library of alexandria and set humanity back possibly as much as 1000 years).
If we do let this turn into a real live nuke sxchange ( who with mind you?)....we're not just talking about the loss of som replacable human units....we are talking about the extermination of humanity's entire history.....Plato...gone...Newton....gone....Einstein....gone.....NEW ORDER...GONE! I wouldn;t care, except nothing of us has left the cradle yet except some probes......the universe's memory of our species will be 2 plaques and a couple of cdroms.....and that's the only thing that really saddens me....all of the last 100, 000 years of our developement....pissed up the wall.
Of course it's just a small minority of Muslims who believe in blowing up innocent people. Hopefuly most people realize that. Those terrorists aren't true Muslims. I did find it sad though that after 9/11 they interviewed ordinary Muslim people in Middle East countries and many of them were somewhat glad that it happened, taking the "serves the US right" type of mentality. BTW, I assume you know I was joking about the US cracking Enigma.
Doctor? wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
arek p. wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Yeah, you like the way we Americans cracked Germany's Enigma cipher machine in U-571?
I dont think Americans cracked Enigma. Check this out.
I know. It was a joke, referring to Doctor?'s reference about how the "yanks weigh in late and make movies about how they won it until the end of time", hence the
Whoops, and I took a return swipe at you for it, sorry mate :D
(a fooking boring film BTW, I seem to recall trying to watch a BBC thing about Turing....NAH!)
In fairnes the yanks DID capture the Kriegsmarine's Enigma that used an extra rotor, from a damaged U-boot that the captain made a dog's dick out of scuttling.
Quite all right. These electronic swipes don't hurt near as much as the real thing!
Shellshocker wrote:
Unlike most Americans, I'm aware that it's the British who actually cracked the code. But, really, what kind of movie would that make?
David, check it again, its quite interesting.
btw. what does funlarious mean?
Yet again.2 young british men were today arrested.............etc etc..........again, just around the corner from our workbase.
Tell me you feel safe and you trust your life in the arms of Blair & Bush.
Oh, and reading something about baggage handling; the guy next door does the same..........he was rushed off his feet at Brum Airport today, cos of all the extra luggage he had to put in the hold. One thing...........call me thick.........if all this stuff that's not allowed in your hand luggage but has to go in the hold......why is that less dangerous? Only caught snippets today........is it me?
Complete nutters, putting it mildly, the lot of 'em.
If it goes in the hold, it requires more support equipment to make a bomb I suppose, making it easier to detect. For instaance a bomb based on a binary liquid explosive as waas being talked about on the Beeb the last time I could be arsed watching, would be a doddle to spot on the scanner, but if it's 2 bottles of lemonade in a handbag with no ancilliary gear required to detonate ( a religious spastic having been [provided for this task), it's tough to spot.
EASY solutions......
People on one flight, luggage on a cargo drone plane following.....been possible since the 60's FFS!
Make everyone shout "Mohammed takes it up the gary from the Whore of Babylon wearing a strap on" before boarding.
Get America's cock out of our mouth.
An easier solution would be to simply accept the holy word of the Prophet Mohammed, you infidel scum.
After all, it's the troof, innit??
The first religion who's n000 year old holy book contains the structure of DNA and a decent theory of gravitation, gets my soul.
This is all just a ploy to distract us from Snakes on a Plane. If you don't motherfuckin' see Samuel Motherfuckin' Jackson blow away every motherfuckin' snake on that motherfuckin' plane, the motherfuckin' terrorists motherfuckin' win
I have no doubt that this is a legit attempt...but nice how they just got around to arresting the guys now (when the shit is hitting the fan public-opinion-wise over the war) 
Edit: what I mean is, they said in a press conference how they were tracking these guys for months.
Taboo # 7 wrote:
I have no doubt that this is a legit attempt...but nice how they just got around to arresting the guys now (when the shit is hitting the fan public-opinion-wise over the war)
Edit: what I mean is, they said in a press conference how they were tracking these guys for months.
I'm sure there is a little room for selective timing perhaps, but then again, the police are becoming increasingly paranoid on moving until they have evidence in place. I get the feeling this plot was imminent, and they acted when it was about to happen. Sure we will find out in next few days.
Recently, they've shot an innocent Brazilian dead, and torn apart the house of two seemingly innocent Moslem brothers in Forest Gate, who had allegedly had a dirty bomb, and found nothing. These blunders have alienated a Moslem community over here, and the police have to be very careful in moving at the right time to get a watertight case.
arek p. wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Unlike most Americans, I'm aware that it's the British who actually cracked the code. But, really, what kind of movie would that make?
David, check it again, its quite interesting.
btw. what does funlarious mean?
David, check it again, its quite interesting. I don't understand you.
what does funlarious mean? That's just CM making up new words.
Doctor? wrote: The first religion who's n000 year old holy book contains the structure of DNA and a decent theory of gravitation, gets my soul.
bansheeman wrote: bastards.wonder if it was timed on the opening of the 9/11 film in america.thank GOD that we have a good intellegence network
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html?cnn=yes
Thwarting the Airline Plot: Inside the Investigation Exclusive: U.S. picked up the suspects' chatter and shared it with British authorities; new federal alert warns that peroxide-based explosives could also be employed in future attacks in the U.S.
looks we bailed your asses out again, just like WWII
Having worked as a baggage handler at an international airport all I can say is that you don't want to know how easy it would be to get a bomb on a plane if you really wanted to.
Bob Konkel wrote:
bansheeman wrote: bastards.wonder if it was timed on the opening of the 9/11 film in america.thank GOD that we have a good intellegence network
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html?cnn=yes
Thwarting the Airline Plot: Inside the Investigation Exclusive: U.S. picked up the suspects' chatter and shared it with British authorities; new federal alert warns that peroxide-based explosives could also be employed in future attacks in the U.S.
looks we bailed your asses out again, just like WWII
Don't worry, Bliar will be on his knees with Bush in his mouth again pretty soon to say thanks.
Bob Konkel wrote: looks we bailed your asses out again, just like WWII
Asses?
Sorry, we call them Donkeys over here. Get with the lingo.
Doctor? wrote:
In fairnes the yanks DID capture the Kriegsmarine's Enigma that used an extra rotor, from a damaged U-boot that the captain made a dog's dick out of scuttling.
Like fuck they did, you've swallowed that hook line and sinker. Yet another Hollywood lie.
Simple fact is too many people in this world believe the pro-US propaganda that Hollywood is churning out by manipulating or in some cases re-inventing historical fact.
Enigma and the associated "code books" (actually, cipher-key tables) were first captured from U-110 by the British in May 1941, before the United States' entry into World War II. The British also captured material from U-559 in 1942. The U.S. Navy did seize German Naval Enigma material in June 1944 when it captured U-505 (the U.S. Navy's first capture of an enemy vessel at sea in 129 years).
The film caused irritation in Britain. Critics argued that U-571 failed to portray history correctly because, in total, there were some 15 captures of Naval Enigma material during World War II, of which the Americans carried out one (U-505), the Canadians carried out one (U-774), and the British performed the rest. While the British captures from submarines and weather trawlers provided critical information for breaking Enigma, by the time of the American and Canadian captures, the Allies were reading Naval Enigma routinely. Moreover, the American capture of U-505 by a destroyer captain on the eve of D-Day might have jeopardized Operation Overlord. However, as acknowledged by the film-makers, the story of the film is entirely fictional.
Shortly after the release of the film, BBC radio interviewed a former British naval officer who had been involved in the recovery of cipher-key tables from a German submarine that was on the point of sinking; he commented that the film was entertaining, though it had nothing to do with historical fact.
The movie has also been criticized for a scene in which the U-boat crewmen machine-gun Allied merchant crewmen who have survived their ship's sinking, killing them in cold blood as they float helplessly in their lifeboat. The implication is that the killing of survivors was typical U-boat behavior. Critics of the U-571 movie point out that this is an incorrect depiction of typical U-boat crew behavior. In contrast to the depiction of U-boat men in the movie, and to the behavior of German armed forces in other services and fronts, U-boat crewman almost universally followed the accepted rules of war; in a number of incidents, they helped survivors with food, directions and occasionally medical aid. Assistance to survivors only stopped after Admiral Karl Dönitz issued the "Laconia order" following a US attack on U-boats transporting injured POWs under a flag of truce (the Laconia Incident). Out of several thousand sinkings of merchantmen in World War II, there is only one documented case of a U-boat crew deliberately attacking the ship's survivors: that of the U-852, a Type IXD2 U-boat under Kpt.lt. Heinz-Wilhehm Eck, whose crew attacked survivors of the Greek ship Peleus.
There in fact was a German submarine designated U-571, but that vessel was never involved in events like most of those depicted in the film.
I didn't read your whole post yet mate, but......
I didn't even SEE that retarded movie, the info I gave was based on 3 different documetary films I have seen on the subject of Enigma and Bletchley park. Turing and his furst programmable computer cracked the original Enigma machine. However, admiral doenitz (I defo spelled that wrong) instigated the use of a machine with an extra scrambling rotor for use accross the wolf pack and possibly the surface Kriegsmarine too (memory eludes me). An example of a 4 rotor machine was indeed capture by the US navy, following an engagement with an U-boot during a convoy raid. The vessel was damaged, and forced to emergency surface. Standing orders said the captain was supposed to destroy the entire contents of the code safe, for some reason...presumably a desire not to drown, he legged it without doing this. ONce the US warship had taken the crew aboard, some yanks just strolled on to the empty U-boot and picked up the Enigma and codes like they were popping down to wallmart...no heroism, just shopping.
Is this not the case?
Or were you just leaping on me cos you thought I was talking about the balls talked in that movie?
EDIT: read it all now, I see where you are coming from, I would therefor suppose that I saw US made "documentaries" with English language dubbing :( Point taken and accepted JT.
Bob Konkel wrote:
bansheeman wrote: bastards.wonder if it was timed on the opening of the 9/11 film in america.thank GOD that we have a good intellegence network
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html?cnn=yes
Thwarting the Airline Plot: Inside the Investigation Exclusive: U.S. picked up the suspects' chatter and shared it with British authorities; new federal alert warns that peroxide-based explosives could also be employed in future attacks in the U.S.
looks we bailed your asses out again, just like WWII
actually it stemmed from arrests made in pakistan and the pakistani authorities passed the info on to the uk from there.
i'd get your facts straight before you start spouting gross insults like the one you made above bob. 
redken wrote:
Bob Konkel wrote:
bansheeman wrote: bastards.wonder if it was timed on the opening of the 9/11 film in america.thank GOD that we have a good intellegence network
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html?cnn=yes
Thwarting the Airline Plot: Inside the Investigation Exclusive: U.S. picked up the suspects' chatter and shared it with British authorities; new federal alert warns that peroxide-based explosives could also be employed in future attacks in the U.S.
looks we bailed your asses out again, just like WWII
actually it stemmed from arrests made in pakistan and the pakistani authorities passed the info on to the uk from there.
i'd get your facts straight before you start spouting gross insults like the one you made above bob.
I assumed he was more or less joking. Certainly I don't think he intended an "insult".
James Thomas wrote:
Doctor? wrote:
In fairnes the yanks DID capture the Kriegsmarine's Enigma that used an extra rotor, from a damaged U-boot that the captain made a dog's dick out of scuttling.
Like fuck they did, you've swallowed that hook line and sinker. Yet another Hollywood lie.
Simple fact is too many people in this world believe the pro-US propaganda that Hollywood is churning out by manipulating or in some cases re-inventing historical fact.
Enigma and the associated "code books" (actually, cipher-key tables) were first captured from U-110 by the British in May 1941, before the United States' entry into World War II. The British also captured material from U-559 in 1942. The U.S. Navy did seize German Naval Enigma material in June 1944 when it captured U-505 (the U.S. Navy's first capture of an enemy vessel at sea in 129 years).
The film caused irritation in Britain. Critics argued that U-571 failed to portray history correctly because, in total, there were some 15 captures of Naval Enigma material during World War II, of which the Americans carried out one (U-505), the Canadians carried out one (U-774), and the British performed the rest. While the British captures from submarines and weather trawlers provided critical information for breaking Enigma, by the time of the American and Canadian captures, the Allies were reading Naval Enigma routinely. Moreover, the American capture of U-505 by a destroyer captain on the eve of D-Day might have jeopardized Operation Overlord. However, as acknowledged by the film-makers, the story of the film is entirely fictional.
Shortly after the release of the film, BBC radio interviewed a former British naval officer who had been involved in the recovery of cipher-key tables from a German submarine that was on the point of sinking; he commented that the film was entertaining, though it had nothing to do with historical fact.
The movie has also been criticized for a scene in which the U-boat crewmen machine-gun Allied merchant crewmen who have survived their ship's sinking, killing them in cold blood as they float helplessly in their lifeboat. The implication is that the killing of survivors was typical U-boat behavior. Critics of the U-571 movie point out that this is an incorrect depiction of typical U-boat crew behavior. In contrast to the depiction of U-boat men in the movie, and to the behavior of German armed forces in other services and fronts, U-boat crewman almost universally followed the accepted rules of war; in a number of incidents, they helped survivors with food, directions and occasionally medical aid. Assistance to survivors only stopped after Admiral Karl Dönitz issued the "Laconia order" following a US attack on U-boats transporting injured POWs under a flag of truce (the Laconia Incident). Out of several thousand sinkings of merchantmen in World War II, there is only one documented case of a U-boat crew deliberately attacking the ship's survivors: that of the U-852, a Type IXD2 U-boat under Kpt.lt. Heinz-Wilhehm Eck, whose crew attacked survivors of the Greek ship Peleus.
There in fact was a German submarine designated U-571, but that vessel was never involved in events like most of those depicted in the film.
Why let the truth get in the way of a perfectly good story? Well, at least they had a disclaimer that it was fictional, and the British naval officer did say it was entertaining. Why they felt the need to change the characters from British to American (I've said it before and I'll say it again-producers are fuckin idiots) I don't know.
Shellshocker wrote:
redken wrote:
Bob Konkel wrote:
bansheeman wrote: bastards.wonder if it was timed on the opening of the 9/11 film in america.thank GOD that we have a good intellegence network
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html?cnn=yes
Thwarting the Airline Plot: Inside the Investigation Exclusive: U.S. picked up the suspects' chatter and shared it with British authorities; new federal alert warns that peroxide-based explosives could also be employed in future attacks in the U.S.
looks we bailed your asses out again, just like WWII
actually it stemmed from arrests made in pakistan and the pakistani authorities passed the info on to the uk from there.
i'd get your facts straight before you start spouting gross insults like the one you made above bob.
I assumed he was more or less joking. Certainly I don't think he intended an "insult".
half joke half retort to the original post I quoted.
thank GOD that WE have a good intellegence network.... blah blah blah
as if England and England alone saved the day, because our intelligance and the Pakistani's for that matter are so inept... So inept that we hav'nt had one terror incident on US soil since 9/11.
Has anyone noticed that we've been getting a lot of these goddamn scroll bars at the bottom of our posts, when you quote someone and it's getting towards the bottom of the page?
5 years looking for Bin Laden, and all they had to do was find out where they were sending his CIA pension LOL
Doctor? wrote: 5 years looking for Bin Laden, and all they had to do was find out where they were sending his CIA pension LOL
My thoughts exactly- I think it suits Bush's needs to have him 'out there'- Gives him an excuse to keeping finding new countries to bomb!
I was about to get all pissed off, thinking, fuck, I can't take my flask on the plane with me...then I remembered, the bevvies are free on international flights, so I guess I won't miss my flask after all...
just have to remember it for the train....
Shellshocker wrote:
arek p. wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Unlike most Americans, I'm aware that it's the British who actually cracked the code. But, really, what kind of movie would that make?
David, check it again, its quite interesting.
btw. what does funlarious mean?
David, check it again, its quite interesting. I don't understand you.
what does funlarious mean? That's just CM making up new words.
the code of Enigma was broken by Poles:
Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Rozycki and Henryk Zygalski. All three mathematicians. It was in 1932, december. Until 70's it was a secret, kept in british archives.
Yes... and the French intelligence services had all the monthly codes thanks to Hans Thilo Schmidt they corrupted...
But French lost all the wars and are cowards, Poles lazy antisemit right-wings Catholics (even if they are the best plumbers in the world) so that ...
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
Jiphy wrote: Yes... and the French intelligence services had all the monthly codes thanks to Hans Thilo Schmidt they corrupted...
But French lost all the wars and are cowards, Poles lazy antisemit right-wings Catholics (even if they are the best plumbers in the world) so that ...
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
hehe, youve got a cutting sence of humor,I like that.
btw. Did any polish plumber hurt you?
arek p. wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
arek p. wrote:
Shellshocker wrote:
Unlike most Americans, I'm aware that it's the British who actually cracked the code. But, really, what kind of movie would that make?
David, check it again, its quite interesting.
btw. what does funlarious mean?
David, check it again, its quite interesting. I don't understand you.
what does funlarious mean? That's just CM making up new words.
the code of Enigma was broken by Poles: Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Rozycki and Henryk Zygalski. All three mathematicians. It was in 1932, december. Until 70's it was a secret, kept in british archives.
Jiphy wrote: Yes... and the French intelligence services had all the monthly codes thanks to Hans Thilo Schmidt they corrupted...
But French lost all the wars and are cowards, Poles lazy antisemit right-wings Catholics (even if they are the best plumbers in the world) so that ...
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
Oh, what the hell, why don't we ALL take credit for cracking the Enigma codes?! The Buddhist monks in the mountains of Bhutan actually cracked Enigma! All hail the mighty Kingdom of Bhutan! WW2 could not have been won without us! Plus the coolest flag in the world! Will kick your flag's ass any day o' the week!
Jiphy wrote: Yes... and the French intelligence services had all the monthly codes thanks to Hans Thilo Schmidt they corrupted...
But French lost all the wars and are cowards, Poles lazy antisemit right-wings Catholics (even if they are the best plumbers in the world) so that ...
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
Don't forget, the Poles also lead the world in the production of golf carts, even though they have no golf courses! (well, at least that was true 15 years ago)
I think you all have it wrong...Al Gore, sitting around, bored, before inventing the internet, broke the German Enigma code in 1904, BEFORE the Enigma code had even been invented...that's how smart Al Gore is....
and Chuck Norris could have won WWII single handedly...
now how's THAT for revisionist history???
Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I think you all have it wrong...Al Gore, sitting around, bored, before inventing the internet, broke the German Enigma code in 1904, BEFORE the Enigma code had even been invented...that's how smart Al Gore is....
and Chuck Norris could have won WWII single handedly...
now how's THAT for revisionist history???
Actually, I think the Chuckster, with Gore's help, will travel back in time and defeat the Nazis with one hand tied behind his back!
Shellshocker wrote:
Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I think you all have it wrong...Al Gore, sitting around, bored, before inventing the internet, broke the German Enigma code in 1904, BEFORE the Enigma code had even been invented...that's how smart Al Gore is....
and Chuck Norris could have won WWII single handedly...
now how's THAT for revisionist history???
Actually, I think the Chuckster, with Gore's help, will travel back in time and defeat the Nazis with one hand tied behind his back!
Or has that happened already.
Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I think you all have it wrong...Al Gore, sitting around, bored, before inventing the internet, broke the German Enigma code in 1904, BEFORE the Enigma code had even been invented...that's how smart Al Gore is....
and Chuck Norris could have won WWII single handedly...
now how's THAT for revisionist history???
thank you Jeff, I always wanted to know the truth
arek p. wrote: hehe, youve got a cutting sence of humor,I like that. btw. Did any polish plumber hurt you?
Never... but I have seen some in the streets of Krakow. They scared me to death !!! I followed a regiment of nuns crossing the main square to a church where I praised the Lord and asked Him to prevent us from an invasion of Polish plumbers...
You see, Nazi panzers in 1940, Polish plumbers in 2006, that is too much. And as you are not Muslims, W would have done nothing to rescue us... no good...
But God made French people vote against the Constitution of the European Union and therefore we have not lived an another humiliating invasion...
stastna konec !
Jiphy wrote:
arek p. wrote: hehe, youve got a cutting sence of humor,I like that. btw. Did any polish plumber hurt you?
You see, Nazi panzers in 1940, Polish plumbers in 2006, that is too much. And as you are not Muslims, W would have done nothing to rescue us... no good...
Unless you have oil. Any oil over there? Then we might come over and recue you.
arek p. wrote:
Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I think you all have it wrong...Al Gore, sitting around, bored, before inventing the internet, broke the German Enigma code in 1904, BEFORE the Enigma code had even been invented...that's how smart Al Gore is....
and Chuck Norris could have won WWII single handedly...
now how's THAT for revisionist history???
thank you Jeff, I always wanted to know the truth
well, you know, the truth is out there...somewhere!
Al Gore also invented the wheel...little known fact...
Jiphy wrote: Yes... and the French intelligence services had all the monthly codes thanks to Hans Thilo Schmidt they corrupted...
But French lost all the wars and are cowards, Poles lazy antisemit right-wings Catholics (even if they are the best plumbers in the world) so that ...
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
I can't tell if you are taking the piss or being half-serious or what, so I won't comment.
But I really would like to see some opinion poll information to enlighten me as to what the political/social attitudes of Poles (and other Eastern Europeans) are. One thing that makes me a bit apprehensive about the arrival of 600,000 of them is the way I've seen so many interviews where they sing the praises of Thatcher (shudder!). Also the record of Poland and the Baltic states with respect to the Jews is, let's be honest, not terribly good (one of the Baltic states recently happily paid host to a reuninon of SS men, I seem to recall, and when Germany invaded Poland they had to order Poles to stop killing jews because they weren't keeping proper records). And are they likely to be anti-abortion and anti-gay? I really don't know, maybe they are like Italian Catholics and don't pay much attention to the Pope? I hope I'm worrying over nothing, but as Poles are now by far the biggest ethnic minority in the country I think it would be useful to find out.
404 error wrote: I can't tell if you are taking the piss or being half-serious or what, so I won't comment.
Ask Arek, he is the Pole of this forum. He lives Poland every day, I think he is the best to make a comment.
404 error wrote:
Jiphy wrote: Yes... and the French intelligence services had all the monthly codes thanks to Hans Thilo Schmidt they corrupted...
But French lost all the wars and are cowards, Poles lazy antisemit right-wings Catholics (even if they are the best plumbers in the world) so that ...
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
I can't tell if you are taking the piss or being half-serious or what, so I won't comment.
But I really would like to see some opinion poll information to enlighten me as to what the political/social attitudes of Poles (and other Eastern Europeans) are. One thing that makes me a bit apprehensive about the arrival of 600,000 of them is the way I've seen so many interviews where they sing the praises of Thatcher (shudder!). Also the record of Poland and the Baltic states with respect to the Jews is, let's be honest, not terribly good (one of the Baltic states recently happily paid host to a reuninon of SS men, I seem to recall, and when Germany invaded Poland they had to order Poles to stop killing jews because they weren't keeping proper records). And are they likely to be anti-abortion and anti-gay? I really don't know, maybe they are like Italian Catholics and don't pay much attention to the Pope? I hope I'm worrying over nothing, but as Poles are now by far the biggest ethnic minority in the country I think it would be useful to find out.
Crewe has an enormous Polish population these days, so much so that the locals call it "Little Warsaw". They are the funniest fucking taxi drivers you'll ever meet.
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote:
404 error wrote:
Jiphy wrote: Yes... and the French intelligence services had all the monthly codes thanks to Hans Thilo Schmidt they corrupted...
But French lost all the wars and are cowards, Poles lazy antisemit right-wings Catholics (even if they are the best plumbers in the world) so that ...
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
I can't tell if you are taking the piss or being half-serious or what, so I won't comment.
But I really would like to see some opinion poll information to enlighten me as to what the political/social attitudes of Poles (and other Eastern Europeans) are. One thing that makes me a bit apprehensive about the arrival of 600,000 of them is the way I've seen so many interviews where they sing the praises of Thatcher (shudder!). Also the record of Poland and the Baltic states with respect to the Jews is, let's be honest, not terribly good (one of the Baltic states recently happily paid host to a reuninon of SS men, I seem to recall, and when Germany invaded Poland they had to order Poles to stop killing jews because they weren't keeping proper records). And are they likely to be anti-abortion and anti-gay? I really don't know, maybe they are like Italian Catholics and don't pay much attention to the Pope? I hope I'm worrying over nothing, but as Poles are now by far the biggest ethnic minority in the country I think it would be useful to find out.
Crewe has an enormous Polish population these days, so much so that the locals call it "Little Warsaw". They are the funniest fucking taxi drivers you'll ever meet.
- Why do Poles work in GB&NI? Cose they are invited - vce minister of Scotland came here to propagate his land as the best place to work and live. There is many mega-posters in Poland saing Ireland is the best place to make a job-career. And many of my country fellas is leaving, to discover new places, to meet new people, to settle.
- Why do Poles hate Jews, as you guys said? I dont know if its true, but I know Poland was the only country durin WWII where helping jews was punished by death. Why? Cose it was a mass procedure. Many people died helping them, and now we are called antisemit. Very fookin funny.
- That all has nothin to do with Major Terror Alert In The UK. Or maybe some polish plumbers working in the UK did some state of emergency, heheheh
arek p. wrote:
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote:
404 error wrote:
Jiphy wrote: Yes... and the French intelligence services had all the monthly codes thanks to Hans Thilo Schmidt they corrupted...
But French lost all the wars and are cowards, Poles lazy antisemit right-wings Catholics (even if they are the best plumbers in the world) so that ...
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
I can't tell if you are taking the piss or being half-serious or what, so I won't comment.
But I really would like to see some opinion poll information to enlighten me as to what the political/social attitudes of Poles (and other Eastern Europeans) are. One thing that makes me a bit apprehensive about the arrival of 600,000 of them is the way I've seen so many interviews where they sing the praises of Thatcher (shudder!). Also the record of Poland and the Baltic states with respect to the Jews is, let's be honest, not terribly good (one of the Baltic states recently happily paid host to a reuninon of SS men, I seem to recall, and when Germany invaded Poland they had to order Poles to stop killing jews because they weren't keeping proper records). And are they likely to be anti-abortion and anti-gay? I really don't know, maybe they are like Italian Catholics and don't pay much attention to the Pope? I hope I'm worrying over nothing, but as Poles are now by far the biggest ethnic minority in the country I think it would be useful to find out.
Crewe has an enormous Polish population these days, so much so that the locals call it "Little Warsaw". They are the funniest fucking taxi drivers you'll ever meet.
- Why do Poles work in GB&NI? Cose they are invited - vce minister of Scotland came here to propagate his land as the best place to work and live. There is many mega-posters in Poland saing Ireland is the best place to make a job-career. And many of my country fellas is leaving, to discover new places, to meet new people, to settle.
- Why do Poles hate Jews, as you guys said? I dont know if its true, but I know Poland was the only country durin WWII where helping jews was punished by death. Why? Cose it was a mass procedure. Many people died helping them, and now we are called antisemit. Very fookin funny.
- That all has nothin to do with Major Terror Alert In The UK. Or maybe some polish plumbers working in the UK did some state of emergency, heheheh
I simply refuse to believe that life in Crewe is preferable to life in Poland.
Really.
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: I simply refuse to believe that life in Crewe is preferable to life in Poland.
The women in Crewe are, um, easier. Probably. 
arek p. wrote:
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote:
404 error wrote:
Jiphy wrote: Yes... and the French intelligence services had all the monthly codes thanks to Hans Thilo Schmidt they corrupted...
But French lost all the wars and are cowards, Poles lazy antisemit right-wings Catholics (even if they are the best plumbers in the world) so that ...
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
I can't tell if you are taking the piss or being half-serious or what, so I won't comment.
But I really would like to see some opinion poll information to enlighten me as to what the political/social attitudes of Poles (and other Eastern Europeans) are. One thing that makes me a bit apprehensive about the arrival of 600,000 of them is the way I've seen so many interviews where they sing the praises of Thatcher (shudder!). Also the record of Poland and the Baltic states with respect to the Jews is, let's be honest, not terribly good (one of the Baltic states recently happily paid host to a reuninon of SS men, I seem to recall, and when Germany invaded Poland they had to order Poles to stop killing jews because they weren't keeping proper records). And are they likely to be anti-abortion and anti-gay? I really don't know, maybe they are like Italian Catholics and don't pay much attention to the Pope? I hope I'm worrying over nothing, but as Poles are now by far the biggest ethnic minority in the country I think it would be useful to find out.
Crewe has an enormous Polish population these days, so much so that the locals call it "Little Warsaw". They are the funniest fucking taxi drivers you'll ever meet.
- Why do Poles work in GB&NI? Cose they are invited - vce minister of Scotland came here to propagate his land as the best place to work and live. There is many mega-posters in Poland saing Ireland is the best place to make a job-career. And many of my country fellas is leaving, to discover new places, to meet new people, to settle.
- Why do Poles hate Jews, as you guys said? I dont know if its true, but I know Poland was the only country durin WWII where helping jews was punished by death. Why? Cose it was a mass procedure. Many people died helping them, and now we are called antisemit. Very fookin funny.
- That all has nothin to do with Major Terror Alert In The UK. Or maybe some polish plumbers working in the UK did some state of emergency, heheheh
You are quite right this has nothing to do with the subject of the thread, so apologies for that.
I genuinely don't know if Poles are anti-Jewish _now_, but I really think you are on to a losing argument if you try and claim they weren't during the 30's and WW2 period. It's pretty well documented that they were. Some nations were better than others, and Poland and Latvia were amongst the worst. Though none of Europe, including Britain, and the US comes out smelling of roses it has to be said.
I'm not anti-Eastern European immigrants, just a bit bemused by it all. The scale of it is unprecendented. Where my parents live seems to be slowly turning from an asian area to a Polish one. Also it irritates me a bit that we'd never have countenanced such a open-door policy for people who weren't white - as it is the number of visas granted to Afro-Carribean and asian people has been cut to make room for eastern europeans.
Surely the fundamental reason why Poles are coming here is because Poland has nearly 20% unemployment?
Anyway, what I do think is that the UK government should be loudly condemning the racism of the French, Germans and Italians in NOT letting the Easterners in. The impact would be much less if it had been spread over the whole EU as it should have been. It suprises me how easily the other EUniks have been able to get away with this.
(PS as for Latvia a quick google turns up "In March 1998, Riga, the capital of Latvia, witnessed a march of some 500 former Latvian SS soldiers commemorating the 55th anniversary of their collaboration with the Nazis. Senior members of the Latvian armed forces and some members of the Latvian parliament participated. Following a public outcry, notably more from the West and from among Jewish and Israeli organizations, high level Latvian officials even tried to defend those "idealists" and "nationalists" who joined the SS or its auxiliary local forces. Perhaps coincidently, less than two weeks after the Latvian Nazi veterans proudly displayed their symbols and flags, a pre-dawn blast, the second in three years, rocked the only Jewish synagogue in Riga. ")
Shellshocker wrote:
arek p. wrote: every nation has black and white sheets on its history.
Except the USA.
Oooohh, you like it rough, dontcha?
