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(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: I'd rather be lynching uppity Bedfordites!!
Bedfordites? People from Bedford (which ain't me, btw, I'm from Luton).
Bedford is, however, well known for it's large Italian community.
So, we're back to the Cafflicks again.
I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE... ahh fuck it.
Tex wrote:
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: And, no, I'm not talking about Churchy.
Head of Catholic church says some really very silly things about the Prophet and Muslim 'atavism'; certain members of the muslim community respond by declaring jihads and even shooting nuns in Somalia.
Is it just me, or are both sides a bunch of dickheads?
Let's put this in some sort of perspective, shall we. How many times is the Church ripped for the Crusades (although some don't find them having been such a bad thing)? Do masses of Christians take the streets? Does the world have to worry about the "Christian street" is going to do or think? Have any Imams been shot in the back lately?
I realize the Church is not perfect. Far from it.....
But what of you, my European cousins. Who will you stand with when the time comes. And, by the way, it is coming. Have you checked your demographics lately? You, my cousins, have not been reproducing yourselves. Your churches stand mostly empty. This while our Muslim friends have been vigorously procreating and busily building mosques .
What do you think is going to happen when Muslims have elected majorities in govenment? What will happen to gay rights? Abortion rights? How will women dress? What will be taught in school? When and where will you have a pint? (If at all.....)
Be afraid of the muslims. They're increasing in numbers and they'll compete for money and resources. They're different from us. They're want to change our way of life. They hate freedom. They blow up planes. They're scary. Be afraid of them. Fear them. Be very afraid of the SCARY MUSLIMS.
*yawn*
Mr disco 99 wrote:
Tex wrote:
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: And, no, I'm not talking about Churchy.
Head of Catholic church says some really very silly things about the Prophet and Muslim 'atavism'; certain members of the muslim community respond by declaring jihads and even shooting nuns in Somalia.
Is it just me, or are both sides a bunch of dickheads?
Let's put this in some sort of perspective, shall we. How many times is the Church ripped for the Crusades (although some don't find them having been such a bad thing)? Do masses of Christians take the streets? Does the world have to worry about the "Christian street" is going to do or think? Have any Imams been shot in the back lately?
I realize the Church is not perfect. Far from it.....
But what of you, my European cousins. Who will you stand with when the time comes. And, by the way, it is coming. Have you checked your demographics lately? You, my cousins, have not been reproducing yourselves. Your churches stand mostly empty. This while our Muslim friends have been vigorously procreating and busily building mosques .
What do you think is going to happen when Muslims have elected majorities in govenment? What will happen to gay rights? Abortion rights? How will women dress? What will be taught in school? When and where will you have a pint? (If at all.....)
Be afraid of the muslims. They're increasing in numbers and they'll compete for money and resources. They're different from us. They're want to change our way of life. They hate freedom. They blow up planes. They're scary. Be afraid of them. Fear them. Be very afraid of the SCARY MUSLIMS.
*yawn*
oh dear.
you're sure you ain't confusing them with cylons?
Mr disco 99 wrote:
Tex wrote:
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: And, no, I'm not talking about Churchy.
Head of Catholic church says some really very silly things about the Prophet and Muslim 'atavism'; certain members of the muslim community respond by declaring jihads and even shooting nuns in Somalia.
Is it just me, or are both sides a bunch of dickheads?
Let's put this in some sort of perspective, shall we. How many times is the Church ripped for the Crusades (although some don't find them having been such a bad thing)? Do masses of Christians take the streets? Does the world have to worry about the "Christian street" is going to do or think? Have any Imams been shot in the back lately?
I realize the Church is not perfect. Far from it.....
But what of you, my European cousins. Who will you stand with when the time comes. And, by the way, it is coming. Have you checked your demographics lately? You, my cousins, have not been reproducing yourselves. Your churches stand mostly empty. This while our Muslim friends have been vigorously procreating and busily building mosques .
What do you think is going to happen when Muslims have elected majorities in govenment? What will happen to gay rights? Abortion rights? How will women dress? What will be taught in school? When and where will you have a pint? (If at all.....)
Be afraid of the muslims. They're increasing in numbers and they'll compete for money and resources. They're different from us. They're want to change our way of life. They hate freedom. They blow up planes. They're scary. Be afraid of them. Fear them. Be very afraid of the SCARY MUSLIMS.
*yawn*
I'm sure Theo Van Gough and the Italian nun may disagree with you.........
The new Pope is quite different to the old one, image wise. He doesn't look too friendly and seems to go out of his way to upset people.
The old one was like a big waving bear.
I think he should just get down off his high fucking horse and say whatever he needs to to get the morons to shut up and stop shooting nuns.
He could always cross his fingers while he's saying it and make wanker signs behind their backs when they walk away.
I'm glad the pope is not a German but a Bavarian. So dear Al-Queida-people please nuke Bavaria not Germany... 
Tex wrote:
I'm sure Theo Van Gough and the Italian nun may disagree with you.........
So you're saying we SHOULD be scared?
MONTY,Lust For Glory wrote:
Diamond White wrote:
The debate rages in Basra!
Christ is that the Wicker Man remake? Skimped on the budget haven't they?
sTArring MICHAEL CAnE
Mr disco 99 wrote: So the muslims are angry that the Pope quoted someone as saying that islam was a violent religion. So they respond with violence. Awesome! Way to prove a point.
I think the Pope should have better judgement and orator skills. He WAS a school teacher before, so possibly he hasn't "fit" into the role just yet....hopefully he grows with these events to be a bit better at explaining himself without unnessicarily pissing alot of people off.
Some earlier mentioned the Crusades being similar to what I mentioned earlier....it is not. Granted there we many people killed in both cases due to religious belief, but the main BIG difference is that Jesus did not go out killing people because people wouldn't change their beliefs...mohammed did. The main charator, head effigy, in the religon caused bloodshed, thus why Muslims believe it is ok to do so. The Crusades were first launched because the Muslims were aggressive and feared that they would overtake Christian Europe....it did go on waaaay toooo long though and the main purpose was lost.
jesus was a jew. it was his followers who said otherwise (son of god, all that). muhammad was considered the first muslim and was/is not considered the son of god. i have no idea what difference this makes or what i'm saying--except maybe that until 1948 jews didn't make very good killing machines?
EdelBrock wrote: I think the Pope should have better judgement and orator skills. He WAS a school teacher before, so possibly he hasn't "fit" into the role just yet....hopefully he grows with these events to be a bit better at explaining himself without unnessicarily pissing alot of people off.
Some earlier mentioned the Crusades being similar to what I mentioned earlier....it is not. Granted there we many people killed in both cases due to religious belief, but the main BIG difference is that Jesus did not go out killing people because people wouldn't change their beliefs...mohammed did. The main charator, head effigy, in the religon caused bloodshed, thus why Muslims believe it is ok to do so. The Crusades were first launched because the Muslims were aggressive and feared that they would overtake Christian Europe....it did go on waaaay toooo long though and the main purpose was lost.
Well, that is simplifying it a bit. Yes there are parts of the Koran that teach that it's OK to kill in the name of Islam. However, there's parts of the Old Testament where Yahweh encourages people to do the same... so it's not just an Islam thing. Hell, even the Hindus have fought in wars.
There's a hell of a lot more in the Koran, and in the Bible, that teaches tolerance and understanding. I've been around the block and seen lots of different kinds of people, and I've observed that despite differences in religious or political leanings, most people around the world are not that much different from us. Most of us like sunny days. Most of us like to eat. Most of us love or at least respect our families. Most of us want to be productive members of society. Most of us have a fundamental regard for human life and take no pleasure in hurting others.
There are going to be dickheads on both sides of any conflict, though.
I think you missed my point. The Koran does teach tolerance, however Muhammed, in his lifetime, forced people to either follow his teachings or die. Granted this is a very simplistic view and it's a little more complicated, but mohammed believed that forceful spread of religon was acceptable; Jesus did not. So people aren't following the Koran, in tolerance, but following the last prophet's actions; forceful spread of the Muslim religon.
Regardless, religon has it's good aspects, but with the wrong people in charge, and misinterpreting for thier own power-mogering has caused much unnessicary bloodshed.
Mr disco 99 wrote:
Tex wrote:
I'm sure Theo Van Gough and the Italian nun may disagree with you.........
So you're saying we SHOULD be scared?
To be frank, there are enough beer drinking, breast emporioum attending, multiple gun owning crackers in our neck of the woods for me to rest easy.
Now, if I lived in Detroit, that would be a different story altogether.
EdelBrock wrote: I think you missed my point. The Koran does teach tolerance, however Muhammed, in his lifetime, forced people to either follow his teachings or die. Granted this is a very simplistic view and it's a little more complicated, but mohammed believed that forceful spread of religon was acceptable; Jesus did not. So people aren't following the Koran, in tolerance, but following the last prophet's actions; forceful spread of the Muslim religon.
Regardless, religon has it's good aspects, but with the wrong people in charge, and misinterpreting for thier own power-mogering has caused much unnessicary bloodshed.
And on this I'll agree with you. Yes, much violence has resulted from a perversion of religious ideals. And yes, Mohammed was a military leader as well as a relious one.
However, I think that has less to do with the state of the world today than just the result of poorly thought out post-colonial politics in that very strategic region. Anywhere you have societies that feel they deserve more than they're getting, you're going to have extremism and violence, no matter what religion they are.
Mr disco 99 wrote:
EdelBrock wrote: I think you missed my point. The Koran does teach tolerance, however Muhammed, in his lifetime, forced people to either follow his teachings or die. Granted this is a very simplistic view and it's a little more complicated, but mohammed believed that forceful spread of religon was acceptable; Jesus did not. So people aren't following the Koran, in tolerance, but following the last prophet's actions; forceful spread of the Muslim religon.
Regardless, religon has it's good aspects, but with the wrong people in charge, and misinterpreting for thier own power-mogering has caused much unnessicary bloodshed.
And on this I'll agree with you. Yes, much violence has resulted from a perversion of religious ideals. And yes, Mohammed was a military leader as well as a relious one.
However, I think that has less to do with the state of the world today than just the result of poorly thought out post-colonial politics in that very strategic region. Anywhere you have societies that feel they deserve more than they're getting, you're going to have extremism and violence, no matter what religion they are.
Too many over reactions to any criticism of Islam. Killing nuns and burning churches because the Pope quoted a 14th century text during a lecture is wrong. Both sides need better PR people and damage control expertern.
Wino wrote: The way I read it was the Pope actually said "I quote" before quoting the said 14thc Emperor. He also apologised twice attempting to explain that 'they were not his words'.
Christianity isn't exactly innocent where a violent past is concerned,but in 'these times',maybe he shouldn't have asked Bush's boys to write his speech. Not exactly well known for tact.
What the heck was the context of the quote though? Was he saying "this is the sort of nonsense my predecessors used to come out with - fortuately we've moved on now" or was he saying "to quote someone who said it much better than I can..."?
Anyway, seeing a Catholic and a Muslim going at it (no, not in _that_ way) on News 24 just confirmed my belief that all religions suck. Religious belief is immoral, in my view. A sin, even. Its selfishly believing in something that clearly isn't true just to make yourself feel better, and it usually ends up hurting others. Normally I try not to pick fights with believers, but this Pope row and that documentary about the believers in 'the rapture' the other night have gotten me irate. Even if there is a God, most of the actual existing Gods of organised religions appear to be thoroughly immoral and bigoted tossers and disobeying them is surely a moral imperative, even if one is going to be punished with hellfire for it?
i think some muslim just dont read what the pope has said and are going on what their clerics are saying, i.e. anything their clerics say they go along with
A satiric local paper said that Benoit XVI apologises because he was not speaking of Muslims but of Jews...
I think both are just dumb to make hideous remarks about any religion. I'm quite glad I'm an atheist with no religion; I look beyond the imaginary boundary "religion" that many people tend to create.
