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Campaign to turn NOOL back into something we are proud to be part of

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  • Count me in, my post below signifies that I am committed to helping restore some goodwill round here 61 (94%)
  • Piss off, I am a troll and am only here to cause trouble 4 (6%)

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While intentions here may be noble, you have to ask yourself: what's really going to be achieved by this thread? Everyone rallies, replies, counts themselves in, drops a few happyface emoticons, group hugs, plants a tree, sings "We Are The World" and what ends up changing? SFA.

The regular cast here is becoming a little weary and predictable. It's Carry On Rocket!, 30 movies in. With scant hope of new band material, fresh points of view should be the lifeblood of the forums. Seems to me that often they're just drowned in the detritus or worse still, discouraged because they dare ask questions deemed unworthy.

To me, the biggest problem in BCD is quality control but I guess that's the nature of the beast. It's impossible to regulate. Some of the liveliest, wittiest and most compelling exchanges have come from the hijacking of threads. Others from tensions where posters have taken stances against the majority. But too often, the thread gems are overwhelmed by uninspired dross. And sadly, too many of NOOL's unique voices have been driven away by officious moderation and/or the mob mentality.

One constructive thing that could be done here is to remove post counts from profiles. What positive purpose do they actually serve? I see only one: they can assist n00bs to identify who's been around for a while so may be better equipped to assist with queries. So remove the post counts and just leave the "Member Since ..." data in the profiles. It's worked wonders for other forums.

Although no one openly admits to giving a rat's about post counts, it still creates a sort of moral hierarchy in what's meant to be a digital republic. Some sort of tragic "I'm a bigger NO fan than you" badge. But how many of these posts were in any way related to NO? Who cares how many mindless one-liners you've posted in BCD? Why is it even relevant? Perhaps in removing what's seen by some as a reward for posting tosh, we'll get less of it.

:\pimp3:

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There's only one person seems to want post counts to appear.........and he owns the site! We've been trying to get rid of them for about 6 years now.

The purpose of this thread? To gauge whether anyone actually did care whether there was a site or not, as the recent Fradleygate episode caused a lot of ill-feeling and various toys out of prams.

Nothing will change of course, but then again we all knew that anyway.

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As someone who's been around as a lurker first and now (over-)regular poster for a few years, the problem as I see it is that a lot of the aggro is caused by people who are in some way involved in this 'real' 'community', i.e. people who have been around for a while, have been to gigs, etc. and met other NOOLers... Yet, when there is a massive flare-up, people often seem to end up nostalgic for the good old days before all these newbies arrived and 'ruined' the site... Of course there have been some newer posters who haven't exactly endeared themselves to the site as a whole, but unless the site ends up as a closed shop with no new members allowed or with private fora, or whatever, it is inevitable that it's going to change... If older posters get fed up and stop posting, so what... If new members join and start posting, great... It would be nice for newer members to maybe take some time to get used to the site, lurk a bit to get the feel of the place before launching into the fray, that's what I did and I think it gave me a feel for some of the characters around and the nature of the boards and posts... There are always going to be folks who don't get it, offend and take offence, the key is to let the Mods do their job (which they do very well, imo) and to try not to take everthing so seriously... The October gigs were a great time for the site, Blue Staurday even more so... Maybe that's the end of live stuff from NO, but there's still potential for a NOOL Day next year (?), there are other gigs and meet-ups... I'd very much like to meet up with some folks from here again at some such event, in the meantime maybe the site isn't as relevant without NO activity, but it's still a great place for info, music (NO or otherwise) and brightening up the day at work... If people can't do that without offending others or taking offence, that's sad, but I'm not going to let that get to me... Maybe nothing will change, but there are at least more than a few people who want the site to continue and want to sort out some of the problems that seem to crop up, and that's positive... If you've read this far, thank you - you've been a wonderful audience... :nod:

Snorri xxx

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General Dogsbody wrote: There's only one person seems to want post counts to appear.........and he owns the site! We've been trying to get rid of them for about 6 years now.

The purpose of this thread? To gauge whether anyone actually did care whether there was a site or not, as the recent Fradleygate episode caused a lot of ill-feeling and various toys out of prams.

Nothing will change of course, but then again we all knew that anyway.

"Fradleygate"

:eek:

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depthcharge wrote: Although no one openly admits to giving a rat's about post counts, it still creates a sort of moral hierarchy in what's meant to be a digital republic. Some sort of tragic "I'm a bigger NO fan than you" badge. But how many of these posts were in any way related to NO? Who cares how many mindless one-liners you've posted in BCD? Why is it even relevant? Perhaps in removing what's seen by some as a reward for posting tosh, we'll get less of it.

Bit 'arsh, DC.

Whatever next? Those of us who post here regularly 'have no life'? :rolleyes:

Bless.

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Time to lock this thread now. Surely the best way to move on is to do just that? :shrug:

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Some of the liveliest, wittiest and most compelling exchanges have come from the hijacking of threads.

I know of one who is solely missed now that was driven out. As for myself i got rid of the HIGH post count by ditching my profile that got screwed.Ending the post count though will have no effect on those who post a lot.Surely some of us have a lot more free time or IDLE time in which we use to keep in touch.I know i should e-mail or use MSN more but this side of the forum just makes it easier to keep in touch.Will try harder Depthcharge.

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Snorrimon wrote: As someone who's been around as a lurker first and now (over-)regular poster for a few years, the problem as I see it is that a lot of the aggro is caused by people who are in some way involved in this 'real' 'community', i.e. people who have been around for a while, have been to gigs, etc. and met other NOOLers... Yet, when there is a massive flare-up, people often seem to end up nostalgic for the good old days before all these newbies arrived and 'ruined' the site... Of course there have been some newer posters who haven't exactly endeared themselves to the site as a whole, but unless the site ends up as a closed shop with no new members allowed or with private fora, or whatever, it is inevitable that it's going to change... If older posters get fed up and stop posting, so what... If new members join and start posting, great... It would be nice for newer members to maybe take some time to get used to the site, lurk a bit to get the feel of the place before launching into the fray, that's what I did and I think it gave me a feel for some of the characters around and the nature of the boards and posts... There are always going to be folks who don't get it, offend and take offence, the key is to let the Mods do their job (which they do very well, imo) and to try not to take everthing so seriously... The October gigs were a great time for the site, Blue Staurday even more so... Maybe that's the end of live stuff from NO, but there's still potential for a NOOL Day next year (?), there are other gigs and meet-ups... I'd very much like to meet up with some folks from here again at some such event, in the meantime maybe the site isn't as relevant without NO activity, but it's still a great place for info, music (NO or otherwise) and brightening up the day at work... If people can't do that without offending others or taking offence, that's sad, but I'm not going to let that get to me... Maybe nothing will change, but there are at least more than a few people who want the site to continue and want to sort out some of the problems that seem to crop up, and that's positive... If you've read this far, thank you - you've been a wonderful audience... :nod:

Snorri xxx

erm...I got about as far as "As someone"...

could you please post a brief synopsis for those of us with ADD???

:p

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Snorrimon wrote: As someone who's been around as a lurker first and now (over-)regular poster for a few years, the problem as I see it is that a lot of the aggro is caused by people who are in some way involved in this 'real' 'community', i.e. people who have been around for a while, have been to gigs, etc. and met other NOOLers...

Which is the complete opposite of my view on this.

Beds vs Herts. Never the twain. :nonono: :lol:

I personally think the 'aggro' always seems to stem from newbies blundering in thinking we're all chums just cos we like the same pop group. Which is obviously total and utter bowlax.

The recent shenanigans against Fradders were (allegedly, natch) instigated by someone who's never even MET the lad. Nor even met many of us who actually know the young Doctor. Now that takes a very special level of spite if it's to be believed. Perhaps if people were just a mite more clued up and did genuinely interact away from hyperspace they wouldn't carry that level of malice around with them.

But that's just my two'penneth.

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Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Snorrimon wrote: As someone who's been around as a lurker first and now (over-)regular poster for a few years, the problem as I see it is that a lot of the aggro is caused by people who are in some way involved in this 'real' 'community', i.e. people who have been around for a while, have been to gigs, etc. and met other NOOLers... Yet, when there is a massive flare-up, people often seem to end up nostalgic for the good old days before all these newbies arrived and 'ruined' the site... Of course there have been some newer posters who haven't exactly endeared themselves to the site as a whole, but unless the site ends up as a closed shop with no new members allowed or with private fora, or whatever, it is inevitable that it's going to change... If older posters get fed up and stop posting, so what... If new members join and start posting, great... It would be nice for newer members to maybe take some time to get used to the site, lurk a bit to get the feel of the place before launching into the fray, that's what I did and I think it gave me a feel for some of the characters around and the nature of the boards and posts... There are always going to be folks who don't get it, offend and take offence, the key is to let the Mods do their job (which they do very well, imo) and to try not to take everthing so seriously... The October gigs were a great time for the site, Blue Staurday even more so... Maybe that's the end of live stuff from NO, but there's still potential for a NOOL Day next year (?), there are other gigs and meet-ups... I'd very much like to meet up with some folks from here again at some such event, in the meantime maybe the site isn't as relevant without NO activity, but it's still a great place for info, music (NO or otherwise) and brightening up the day at work... If people can't do that without offending others or taking offence, that's sad, but I'm not going to let that get to me... Maybe nothing will change, but there are at least more than a few people who want the site to continue and want to sort out some of the problems that seem to crop up, and that's positive... If you've read this far, thank you - you've been a wonderful audience... :nod:

Snorri xxx

erm...I got about as far as "As someone"...

could you please post a brief synopsis for those of us with ADD???

:p

Group hug! That was the gist of it... :)

Snorri xxx

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Anyone else doubting that Comrade did the dirty deed in the first place? Where is the evidence? This all seems a very harsh on him if he never did it,regardless of his past misdemeaners. Also,seems plausible that some spiteful spacker-sort has it in for both Fradders and Comrade,hence the set up.

I'm NOT saying Comrade DID'NT send the sneaky email,because I don't know.

Can't help thinking that the plot thickens,though.

No doubt some would say good riddance to Comrade anyway,but I'm one of those that does'nt like an injustice wherever it is.

Can anybody yet clarify that Comrade was responsible?

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Boatraceface wrote: Anyone else doubting that Comrade did the dirty deed in the first place? Where is the evidence? This all seems a very harsh on him if he never did it,regardless of his past misdemeaners. Also,seems plausible that some spiteful spacker-sort has it in for both Fradders and Comrade,hence the set up.

I'm NOT saying Comrade DID'NT send the sneaky email,because I don't know.

Can't help thinking that the plot thickens,though.

No doubt some would say good riddance to Comrade anyway,but I'm one of those that does'nt like an injustice wherever it is.

Can anybody yet clarify that Comrade was responsible?

9/11 TRUTH! :laugh:

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Give me a 911 Carrera anyday Popeski.

Now stop fucking about. Tell us what you know,without saying the word Awwwesome,please.

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El Jarvo wrote:

Snorrimon wrote: As someone who's been around as a lurker first and now (over-)regular poster for a few years, the problem as I see it is that a lot of the aggro is caused by people who are in some way involved in this 'real' 'community', i.e. people who have been around for a while, have been to gigs, etc. and met other NOOLers...

Which is the complete opposite of my view on this.

Beds vs Herts. Never the twain. :nonono: :lol:

I personally think the 'aggro' always seems to stem from newbies blundering in thinking we're all chums just cos we like the same pop group. Which is obviously total and utter bowlax.

The recent shenanigans against Fradders were (allegedly, natch) instigated by someone who's never even MET the lad. Nor even met many of us who actually know the young Doctor. Now that takes a very special level of spite if it's to be believed. Perhaps if people were just a mite more clued up and did genuinely interact away from hyperspace they wouldn't carry that level of malice around with them.

But that's just my two'penneth.

Having reread what I wrote originally, I suppose it's not totally true - I missed Fradleygate, so can't comment on that, and suppose I was writing with a few random bits of cyber-fisticuffs in mind - newbis bursting in and 'taking over' can be annoying and certainly does get people's backs up and cause trouble - which was why I advocated a spot of lurking to get used to how things run before really getting involved... I still think a fair amount of aggro on here comes from people who have been around long enough to know better, but of course it's often by generalising that things kick off... Wholeheartedly agree that folks need to think before they post and try to sort out problems in rpivate rather than airing their solied undercrackers online... And that's the closest I'm prepared to come to any sort of agreement with a Hatter... :nod: If only we could all be one big happy Community... :skeptic:

Snorri xxx

PS: Summary for Jeff - agreeing with some of what Al said, but sticking to original point in general... :thumb:

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Boatraceface wrote: Anyone else doubting that Comrade did the dirty deed in the first place? Where is the evidence?

Not sure it can be proved 100% - unless someone knows otherwise? - and seeing as we're all such jolly good chaps Comrade should certainly remain innocent until proven guilty.

Oh, or unless he blurts out his guilt like Jack Nicholson did in A Few Good Men (what a shite film - no actual proof so the bloke just admits it at the end! Dur)

However, am sure we're all in agreement it's digusting what happened to Fradders. :nod:

(edit: why does the nodding smilie need to have such a big all-knowing grin?)

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Boatraceface wrote: Give me a 911 Carrera anyday Popeski.

Now stop fucking about. Tell us what you know,without saying the word Awwwesome,please.

I know nothing.

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El Jarvo wrote: Oh, or unless he blurts out his guilt like Jack Nicholson did in A Few Good Men (what a shite film - no actual proof so the bloke just admits it at the end! Dur)

Apparently, you're not familiar with Perry Mason.

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Boatraceface wrote: Anyone else doubting that Comrade did the dirty deed in the first place? Where is the evidence? This all seems a very harsh on him if he never did it,regardless of his past misdemeaners. Also,seems plausible that some spiteful spacker-sort has it in for both Fradders and Comrade,hence the set up.

I'm NOT saying Comrade DID'NT send the sneaky email,because I don't know.

Can't help thinking that the plot thickens,though.

No doubt some would say good riddance to Comrade anyway,but I'm one of those that does'nt like an injustice wherever it is.

Can anybody yet clarify that Comrade was responsible?

You wouldn't let it lie

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Boatraceface wrote: Anyone else doubting that Comrade did the dirty deed in the first place? Where is the evidence? This all seems a very harsh on him if he never did it,regardless of his past misdemeaners. Also,seems plausible that some spiteful spacker-sort has it in for both Fradders and Comrade,hence the set up.

I'm NOT saying Comrade DID'NT send the sneaky email,because I don't know.

Can't help thinking that the plot thickens,though.

No doubt some would say good riddance to Comrade anyway,but I'm one of those that does'nt like an injustice wherever it is.

Can anybody yet clarify that Comrade was responsible?

I seriously doubt it, since I think it would have seen the light of day when Comrade stated his innocence. :shrug:

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Still waiting for the evidence to be provided.

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