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Doctor? wrote: No, those were some words of advice the "god spake" quite some time prior to presenting Moses with the ones I posted, on the stone tablets of much fame. LOOK IT UP FFS!

People follow this shit blindly and it's not even the RIGHT DECALOGUE!!!!!

It got on to Christianity cos I can't see how middle eastern carpenters walking on water and rising from the dead (do you have ANY idea what 3 days in a nice warm tomb will do to a corpse), is THAT much more out there than souls in volcanoes.

The only thing Christianity has going for it over scientology is that they are SUPPOSED to be kind to everyone (particularly their enemies), to be forgiving, helpful, generous, and above all....NON JUDGMENTAL. Oh and something about not using his da's house for comerce....hmmmmmmm, gathering money to fund the arms trade.....nah....sure it's only for bombing "darkie", so it's OK, no?

You posted them as the 10 Commandments. So why did you post them then. FFS. Did you post the wrong quote. LOL

I just gave you the accepted official ones which come from Exodus 20.

No I'm not getting into a debate with you about which is the better religion or even if there is a good one.

I was merely making a correction. You admitted above that you haven't read the Bible, so perhaps you should actually make a study of what you are denigrating so you may actually make some valid points in future.

This ends my involvement with this thread.

No, I said I had read it, there's loads of smart wisdom in there, Christians ignore it.

OK.....

The "commandments" you posted, were SPOKEN by god, as advice to Moses, (Exodus 20-2-17), Moses then repeats these verbally to the Isrealites when he came down the mountain. The second time Moses climbs Sinai, he is given stone tablets with commandments, which upon seeing his people cavorting round a golden calf, he drops and breaks. Moses then returns to the mountain again and gets replacements, with the words "these commandments I give unto thee". Those STONE TABLETS bear the exact COMMANDMENTS (and remember this is what we are on about, the holy decalogue bestowed to moses by god on stone tablets), which I posted above.

Got a bible at home? read it and weep.

We are both right. However the ones I quoted are generally accepted as The 10 Commandments.

I have often said that the old testament could use some serious editing, especially those books of Moses.

Yes I have read it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_commandments

I have a number of Bibles at home, both in German and English.

Thou Shalt not kill, does give you the option of defending yourself.

OK now I'm really finished here. It is drinking time.

crap... maybe i shouldn't have asked about such a touchy subject... brb, i hear a knocking at my front door... it's tom cruise, brigham young, buddha, bhagwan shree rashneesh, moses and mahatma gandhi with brass knuckles...

Cambo, there are a few things you are obviously missing. You are being very selective in your choice of quotes to support your case.

First, on the ten commandments, the "thou shalt not kill", means murder. The Hebrew word Tirtsach means kill on an individual level. War is considered as a state or country level, which is a different word. So war does not go against the ten commandments.

in the New Testament Jesus mentions: "Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not sit down first and consider whether he is able with 10,000 men to oppose the one coming against him with 20,000? If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace."

"if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

The main issue and confusion people have is when he states something like:

"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid"

But he is not talking peace as in world peace where all countries are not at war and sing "Kumbaya", but an inner peace, where people are at harmony on an individual level, with themselves and others.

But what is this accusation that the CofE supports arms dealers? That's a bit far fetched.

The bible??????

Er, isn't this all just a little bit passe?

NOOLigan wrote: J.C. "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."

Actually, I learned this particular sort...

Two versions-- ~ From 'The Message' paraphrase : Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your passion and prayer and intelligence.' This is the most important, the first on any list. But there is a second to set alongside it: 'Love others as well as you love yourself.' These two commands are pegs; everything in God's Law and the Prophets hangs from them." ~ From the NKJ [New King James] version: Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Matthew 22:37-40

heh??? i'm all for the 'eye for an eye' thingie myself... revenge is good, too...