I hate Wal-mart as much as the next guy...

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: but...look at what you can get Friday...

Walmart is having a "Secret Sale" instore only, starting Fri, 11/2 at 8:00 am and will have the Toshiba HD-A2 DVD Player for $100. Lowest on Pricegrabber is $198. Some other items of interest:

\* Acer Laptop 1GB Ram $348. 
\* Sanyo 50" Plasma HDTV $998.
\* HD DVDs: 12 Monkeys, Big Lebowski, Blood Diamond, and more $15. 
\* Fisher Price Nascar Ride-On $145

Please Note: Some items may not be available in all stores.

I'm liking the HD DVD player and that 50" TV is awful tempting...

when you gain meaningful employment, you'll finally be able to buy all that then.

i wouldn't take the 50" plasma cause all Sanyo Stuff is shit. Besides nobody is buying plasma these days....so look for a LCD

Andrès wrote: i wouldn't take the 50" plasma cause all Sanyo Stuff is shit. Besides nobody is buying plasma these days....so look for a LCD

correct. (although how would i know that) just bought a Sammy Samsung LCD telly. the picture is the cows bollocks!!

what about the samsung sound John?? it is good??

Andrès wrote: what about the samsung sound John?? it is good??

oh its good alright. well, compared to my 1987 panasonic one that its just replaced, its good. get one Andres. i've got a bluey called porno wars set in space, with space ship sounds etc. Cambo would like it. you might too.

am i missing something with that DVD player for $100? You can get one for £11 in Asda - who Wal*Mart own...

Andrès wrote: i wouldn't take the 50" plasma cause all Sanyo Stuff is shit. Besides nobody is buying plasma these days....so look for a LCD

On it's way out soon, SED's are the coming thing apparently.

Steve One wrote: am i missing something with that DVD player for $100? You can get one for £11 in Asda - who Wal*Mart own...

Does it have a stupid badge saying "HD"?

a serious question.

how long do LCD tellys last for?

my old tellys in the house just keep on going. they never break. the pictures fine.

made in china

Andrès wrote: i wouldn't take the 50" plasma cause all Sanyo Stuff is shit. Besides nobody is buying plasma these days....so look for a LCD

Bollucks! If yer going higher than 36" you want plasma, not lcd. Anything 36" and under you want lcd. Its about screen longevity, as yer bound to have more issues with large lcd screens (plus plasma doesn't have any issues when you watch it at any angle).

But not all plasmas are created equal...the Sanyo is a piece of crap, only a handful of good brands out there Sony, Panasonic...

EdelBrock wrote:

But not all plasmas are created equal...the Sanyo is a piece of crap, only a handful of good brands out there Sony, Panasonic...

bought a LG LCD 42" two months ago for my pub and it's ok

EdelBrock wrote:

Andrès wrote: i wouldn't take the 50" plasma cause all Sanyo Stuff is shit. Besides nobody is buying plasma these days....so look for a LCD

Bollucks! If yer going higher than 36" you want plasma, not lcd. Anything 36" and under you want lcd. Its about screen longevity, as yer bound to have more issues with large lcd screens (plus plasma doesn't have any issues when you watch it at any angle).

But not all plasmas are created equal...the Sanyo is a piece of crap, only a handful of good brands out there Sony, Panasonic...

Arent most plasma / lcd screens manufactured by L.G anyroad? Think hitachi are the only other manufacturers. wheres cambo when ya need him?

Andrès wrote:

bought a LG LCD 42" two months ago for my pub

WOULD YOU LIKE to purchase OFF ME, of course, a consignment of beer mats. the pictures/advertising changes often, but they are thick and soggy proof. let me know ay. diamond shaped or square? half a container maybe? up to you. trade prices naturally for you. straight u. ok. cheers.

i have had a 50" panasonic lcd for two years. the 50" i just bought for my computer's 2nd monitor is a 1080p panasonic plasma. i much prefer the plasma for movies and warcraft. the black levels are very accurate. the lcd has the game console and sports look better.

1500-1800 buys you a very nice tv, and even 1200 will get you a much improved plasma over that sanyo.

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EdelBrock wrote:

Andrès wrote: i wouldn't take the 50" plasma cause all Sanyo Stuff is shit. Besides nobody is buying plasma these days....so look for a LCD

Bollucks! If yer going higher than 36" you want plasma, not lcd. Anything 36" and under you want lcd. Its about screen longevity, as yer bound to have more issues with large lcd screens (plus plasma doesn't have any issues when you watch it at any angle).

But not all plasmas are created equal...the Sanyo is a piece of crap, only a handful of good brands out there Sony, Panasonic...

Arent most plasma / lcd screens manufactured by L.G anyroad? Think hitachi are the only other manufacturers. wheres cambo when ya need him?

ummmmm...no

Panasonic and Sony have been competing for the top brand for awhile.....

and here by popular demand...a better explination...

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv-plasmavslcd.shtml

Wal-Mart” (Excerpt) By David Rovics

There’s a thousand acres becoming clear Cut down the forest, the big one’s here Cover the ground with a mass of tar Make sure there’s room for every car One floor half mile massive sprawl One store wonder super mall It’s spreading out far and wide Taking over the countryside Say goodbye to your forests, they’re going down Wal-Mart is coming to town

…No more local five and dime It’s all just Wal-Mart overtime But you can work all you want, night and day As long as you can stand the pay Just don’t get sick or have a kid You’ll end up like the last one did On the street and unemployed In a town that’s been destroyed Where misery has become a noun Wal-Mart is coming to town

Listen to David Rovics www.davidrovics.com

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EdelBrock wrote:

Andrès wrote: i wouldn't take the 50" plasma cause all Sanyo Stuff is shit. Besides nobody is buying plasma these days....so look for a LCD

Bollucks! If yer going higher than 36" you want plasma, not lcd. Anything 36" and under you want lcd. Its about screen longevity, as yer bound to have more issues with large lcd screens (plus plasma doesn't have any issues when you watch it at any angle).

But not all plasmas are created equal...the Sanyo is a piece of crap, only a handful of good brands out there Sony, Panasonic...

Arent most plasma / lcd screens manufactured by L.G anyroad? Think hitachi are the only other manufacturers. wheres cambo when ya need him?

LG was once known as Technics, which had a very good reputation. They were bought out by Panasonic who changed the name. I've got a 42" LG Plasma too. Compared to the LCD in the kitchen its a much better picture.

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EdelBrock wrote:

Andrès wrote: i wouldn't take the 50" plasma cause all Sanyo Stuff is shit. Besides nobody is buying plasma these days....so look for a LCD

Bollucks! If yer going higher than 36" you want plasma, not lcd. Anything 36" and under you want lcd. Its about screen longevity, as yer bound to have more issues with large lcd screens (plus plasma doesn't have any issues when you watch it at any angle).

But not all plasmas are created equal...the Sanyo is a piece of crap, only a handful of good brands out there Sony, Panasonic...

Arent most plasma / lcd screens manufactured by L.G anyroad? Think hitachi are the only other manufacturers. wheres cambo when ya need him?

LG was once known as Technics, which had a very good reputation. They were bought out by Panasonic who changed the name. I've got a 42" LG Plasma too. Compared to the LCD in the kitchen its a much better picture.

L.G are actually called Lucky Goldstar,remember Goldstar? Famous for their crap cheap and nasty hi-fi's!

Technics and panasonic are the same company,matsushita electronics and have been for years.

Need to dig around further on this one......

I am yet to be convinced about Plasma or LCD. They aren't all that good for sport IE following a ball. There is always some, I call it shadow where the ball was. Also compared to CRT TVs they are energy guzzlers using as much power as a large fridge.

I guess I'll wait a bit longer.

LG is indeed Korean. Frankly I'd rather buy a non-name product made in China than anything LG, which is what I have been doing quite a bit lately.

PLASMAs guzzle energy. LCD's work in laptops and off 12v supplies silly man.

You're right about their horrid afterimage thing, a real pain.

Doctor? wrote:

Andrès wrote: i wouldn't take the 50" plasma cause all Sanyo Stuff is shit. Besides nobody is buying plasma these days....so look for a LCD

On it's way out soon, SED's are the coming thing apparently.

Just to try and out-geek you, can I point out I read they'd given up on SEDs and instead OLEDs were now the coming thing. At least for PC monitors anyway. Only just finally got round to getting a TFT monitor. Don't actually have a telly at all.

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Doctor? wrote: On it's way out soon, SED's are the coming thing apparently.

Just to try and out-geek you, can I point out I read they'd given up on SEDs and instead OLEDs were now the coming thing. At least for PC monitors anyway.

Indeed. SED development has hit a major roadblock.

OLEDs and laser screens are the next most likely revolutions in screen technology.

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NOOLigan wrote: I am yet to be convinced about Plasma or LCD. They aren't all that good for sport IE following a ball. There is always some, I call it shadow where the ball was.

Plasma is nearly always superior to LCD for sports. LCD historically has significant problems of motion blur and latency.

Picture quality for the RWC in France on my 50" Samsung plasma in HD was spectacular.

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And plasma has poblems with power consumption and the asociated component failures. Don't see too many plasma PC monitors around, which is odd, unless they struggle to get better than HD TV's rather blocky resolution.

It amuses me that people rave about HD, and then buy 14 foot screens on wich even HD's pixels are millimetres on a side, making it as blocky or worse than standard tv-res on a conventionally proportioned screen.

With either Plasma or LCD, you get what you pay for. My 22" widescreen monitor was sub 200 knicker, and it's FINE. BUT I could easily have spent 6-800 on the same size and res, and for that I would get better viewing angle, better contrast and most importantly a faster response time, making the afterimage thing go away.

One thing that needs fixed on flat panels is that they only do one resolution. all others are faked/emulated within that master resolution. The result is that anything running at less than max-res never looks quite right. My bro has far less aliasing on his CRT compared to my LCD on MS trainsim for instance, despite my card doing SO much more antialiasing work....and the only reason is that you must only use "microsoft approved" resolutions, none of which match my monitor's max of 1650x1080 or whatever.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: but...look at what you can get Friday...

Walmart is having a "Secret Sale" instore only, starting Fri, 11/2 at 8:00 am and will have the Toshiba HD-A2 DVD Player for $100. Lowest on Pricegrabber is $198. Some other items of interest:

\* Acer Laptop 1GB Ram $348. 
\* Sanyo 50" Plasma HDTV $998.
\* HD DVDs: 12 Monkeys, Big Lebowski, Blood Diamond, and more $15. 
\* Fisher Price Nascar Ride-On $145

Please Note: Some items may not be available in all stores.

I'm liking the HD DVD player and that 50" TV is awful tempting...

I can't afford to wait until the 11th of February to replace my telly!

Alf wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: but...look at what you can get Friday...

Walmart is having a "Secret Sale" instore only, starting Fri, 11/2 at 8:00 am and will have the Toshiba HD-A2 DVD Player for $100. Lowest on Pricegrabber is $198. Some other items of interest:

\* Acer Laptop 1GB Ram $348. 
\* Sanyo 50" Plasma HDTV $998.
\* HD DVDs: 12 Monkeys, Big Lebowski, Blood Diamond, and more $15. 
\* Fisher Price Nascar Ride-On $145

Please Note: Some items may not be available in all stores.

I'm liking the HD DVD player and that 50" TV is awful tempting...

I can't afford to wait until the 11th of February to replace my telly!

leave it to a Brit to read a date backwards

Well since we were writing it that way when you lot didn;t even exist, I think that narrows it down to who has it the wrong way round.

D M Y makes sense so does Y M D (particularly to a computer)

but the US M D Y format is just nonsensical.

Doctor? wrote: Well since we were writing it that way when you lot didn;t even exist, I think that narrows it down to who has it the wrong way round.

D M Y makes sense so does Y M D (particularly to a computer)

but the US M D Y format is just nonsensical.

correcto mundo doc!

Doctor? wrote: Well since we were writing it that way when you lot didn;t even exist, I think that narrows it down to who has it the wrong way round.

D M Y makes sense so does Y M D (particularly to a computer)

but the US M D Y format is just nonsensical.

Aye, you may have started it...but WE'RE FINISHING IT!!!! Move over...yer yesterdays kingdom!

Question? How much content is actually full "real" 1080p now? From the source, from the wiring? Do cheaper 1080p current TVs really decode full "HD" anyway? Who do you believe?

Might it be smarter to buy a cheap now 720p model, and buy a much better 1080p in a couple years, since they can still get much better.

Wal-mart is just an unpleasant place.

pumped full of drugs wrote: Question? How much content is actually full "real" 1080p now? From the source, from the wiring? Do cheaper 1080p current TVs really decode full "HD" anyway? Who do you believe?

Might it be smarter to buy a cheap now 720p model, and buy a much better 1080p in a couple years, since they can still get much better.

Content-wise, it depends on the source. Obviously HD-DVD/Blu- Ray will showcase 1080p best of all. Some FTA TV stations such as the TEN network down here offer full-HD programming. The others broadcast at 720p or less, but picture quality can still be superb on the right set.

I picked up a 50" 720p screen. You actually need to be sitting at a pretty precise distance from your set for the average eye to really see the benefits of 1080 over 720. Plus the sweet spot pricepoint for HD screens in the market is around the 42" 720p vicinity. You'll still pay a premium for a quality 1080p set - they'll drop drastically in the next two years.

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Doctor? wrote:

Andrès wrote: i wouldn't take the 50" plasma cause all Sanyo Stuff is shit. Besides nobody is buying plasma these days....so look for a LCD

On it's way out soon, SED's are the coming thing apparently.

Sorry but what's an SED?

Surface-conduction electron-emitter display.

A bit like having each pixel operate as a tiny independent cathode ray tube.

It seems they're not gonna bother finishing the work and jump straight into OLED's (Organic light emitting diodes), according to someone up there ^ A shame, because I cannot see LED's being small enough for things like PC monitors. Where I can see them is in HUGE telly's, like having an F1/footy-stadium style Diamond screen on your wall.

The problem I have with LCD and Plasma (that upon further study, it appears will also affect SED/OLED) is that they are digital. A CRT "paints" the picture on the phosphor, it can aim at any point at all on the screen, and can adjust size and speed, giving you a huge range of options with resolution and refresh rate. On these new fangled digital displays you get, well, let's say 1280x1024. And that's IT. If you set your PC to 1024x768 the screen is still laid out as 1280x1024, so it's got 1024 dots, with which to show 768 dots, now since 768 doesn't divide into 1024, you can instantly see that some (most) of those 768 dots will be shifted (technically "quantised"...snapped to the nearest available valid position), the result is an ugly, or at least inelegant display. Worse, it undoes a fair bit of the hard work of your video card's antialiasing routines, as the display itself makes things all "steppy".

As an aside, you get the same thing in Audio, if you save a file as 8bit you will hear "burbling" which is "quantisation noise", because there are only 256 different levels the signal can have, rather than the 65536 of 16bit, everything gets shifted a bit and the waveforms end up looking like staircases. A fabulous example of this can be heard at the end of Dub vulture, where the word "hurt" is shifted WAY WAAAAAY down in pitch, which causes many other atifacts, but HUGELY increases the effect of quantisation, beacuse slowing things down means the "treads" of the "steps" get longer and longer, giving a less and less accurate representation of the signal.

Hi, BTW and now you know another thing about NOOL, do NOT ask ne a question unless you REALLY want an answer ;)

Binoche wrote: Wal-Mart” (Excerpt) By David Rovics

There’s a thousand acres becoming clear Cut down the forest, the big one’s here Cover the ground with a mass of tar Make sure there’s room for every car One floor half mile massive sprawl One store wonder super mall It’s spreading out far and wide Taking over the countryside Say goodbye to your forests, they’re going down Wal-Mart is coming to town

…No more local five and dime It’s all just Wal-Mart overtime But you can work all you want, night and day As long as you can stand the pay Just don’t get sick or have a kid You’ll end up like the last one did On the street and unemployed In a town that’s been destroyed Where misery has become a noun Wal-Mart is coming to town

Listen to David Rovics www.davidrovics.com

thems fightin' words for every southerner!

Doctor? wrote: Surface-conduction electron-emitter display.

A bit like having each pixel operate as a tiny independent cathode ray tube.

It seems they're not gonna bother finishing the work and jump straight into OLED's (Organic light emitting diodes), according to someone up there ^ A shame, because I cannot see LED's being small enough for things like PC monitors. Where I can see them is in HUGE telly's, like having an F1/footy-stadium style Diamond screen on your wall.

The problem I have with LCD and Plasma (that upon further study, it appears will also affect SED/OLED) is that they are digital. A CRT "paints" the picture on the phosphor, it can aim at any point at all on the screen, and can adjust size and speed, giving you a huge range of options with resolution and refresh rate. On these new fangled digital displays you get, well, let's say 1280x1024. And that's IT. If you set your PC to 1024x768 the screen is still laid out as 1280x1024, so it's got 1024 dots, with which to show 768 dots, now since 768 doesn't divide into 1024, you can instantly see that some (most) of those 768 dots will be shifted (technically "quantised"...snapped to the nearest available valid position), the result is an ugly, or at least inelegant display. Worse, it undoes a fair bit of the hard work of your video card's antialiasing routines, as the display itself makes things all "steppy".

As an aside, you get the same thing in Audio, if you save a file as 8bit you will hear "burbling" which is "quantisation noise", because there are only 256 different levels the signal can have, rather than the 65536 of 16bit, everything gets shifted a bit and the waveforms end up looking like staircases. A fabulous example of this can be heard at the end of Dub vulture, where the word "hurt" is shifted WAY WAAAAAY down in pitch, which causes many other atifacts, but HUGELY increases the effect of quantisation, beacuse slowing things down means the "treads" of the "steps" get longer and longer, giving a less and less accurate representation of the signal.

Hi, BTW and now you know another thing about NOOL, do NOT ask ne a question unless you REALLY want an answer ;)

True, but the crt is a big clunky thing that takes up alot of space.....and its one down fall is that the clarity is in the center of the screen and gets worse the further out you go, whereas an LCD and plasma have the same clarity throughout the screen....I've noted that there is suppose to be a lag time with LCDs in video games, but I've never really seen it, or my eyes don't catch it...

Doctor? wrote: Surface-conduction electron-emitter display.

A bit like having each pixel operate as a tiny independent cathode ray tube.

It seems they're not gonna bother finishing the work and jump straight into OLED's (Organic light emitting diodes), according to someone up there ^ A shame, because I cannot see LED's being small enough for things like PC monitors. Where I can see them is in HUGE telly's, like having an F1/footy-stadium style Diamond screen on your wall.

Dunno if I'm imagining it, but I thought I read some company had already produced OLED monitors, albeit only 11" (!!) displays. It sais the big issue is their current ultra short lifespan, only 5000 hours, it claimed, unless I'm garbling it all.

PS I was just about to google this anyway, but which is more power efficient CRT or LCD? I'm sure everyone always claimed LCD used much less power than CRT, but just the other day I read someone claiming the exact opposite.

edit, having googled it, I think I was right the first time. Dunno why someone claimed LCD TVs use more than CRT, unless he was muddling it up with digital vs analog reception.