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...The same for Africa. Most "countries" there hadn't have political and civic culture. Nevertheless, they were left to govern vast territories without any culture of political or economical development...
Oh, of course. Stupid us! Thinking those "ignorant Africans" like Egyptians and Carthaginians ever had culture!
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MIMX wrote:
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...The same for Africa. Most "countries" there hadn't have political and civic culture. Nevertheless, they were left to govern vast territories without any culture of political or economical development...
Oh, of course. Stupid us! Thinking those "ignorant Africans" like Egyptians and Carthaginians ever had culture!
Well I meant Black Africa. Or Algeria and Morocco are much better (they belong to a different civilization anyway)?
MIMX wrote:
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...The same for Africa. Most "countries" there hadn't have political and civic culture. Nevertheless, they were left to govern vast territories without any culture of political or economical development...
Oh, of course. Stupid us! Thinking those "ignorant Africans" like Egyptians and Carthaginians ever had culture!
Again...
Arrghhhhhhhh!
Before you start claiming Ian is making racist comments, have YOU actually been to any of these countries? Especially where Africa / Middle East is all screwed up???
The people that live there aren't ready for democracy, because their mindset is stuck. It will take a few generations to get a society that even BELIEVES that democracy is even possible... and that will require an act of God.
What it really comes down to is not the dictators, but more the ideals and beliefs of the society... the dictator can help direct it, but when the people are content with their positions in life, its hard to get them to improve...
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Well I meant Black Africa.
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I've only two words for ignorant racist xenophobes like yourself...
...and the second one is OFF!
And now we see why so many seppos think the pyramids were built by aliens. Cos whitey cannae handle being out-engineered 20-to-1 by a bunch of N*s!
Ever see a film about ancient Egypt? Ever see one where the Egyptians were anything but whute guys with a tan?
Pathetic.
And it's not that some people are not ready for democracy....some of them don't like the idea, so respect that and leave them alone.
Doctor? wrote: And now we see why so many seppos think the pyramids were built by aliens. Cos whitey cannae handle being out-engineered 20-to-1 by a bunch of N*s!Ever see a film about ancient Egypt?Ever see one where the Egyptians were anything but whute guys with a tan?Pathetic....* And it's not that some people are not ready for democracy....some of them don't like the idea, so respect that and leave them alone.
Once again thank you Doc.
There's a few of the above posters who need to look up the word "Nubian", for a kick off.
*****My emphasis.
MIMX wrote:
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Well I meant Black Africa.
Again... Arrghhhhhhhh!
Look, just because I dare to say that Africans are "responsible" for a major part of what's going on with their countries doesn not mean I'm a racist, or just because I don't constantly blame Europeans for the African abyss of poverty and death (I know, it's a ritual for the Leftists). All I can say about the entire situation it's a great tragedy.
EdelBrock wrote:
Before you start claiming Ian is making racist comments, ...
Before you start defending ignorant racist xenophobes maybe you should try reading their comments!
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Well I meant Black Africa.
(I think the vast majority of Africans [except that tiny minority, the descendants of the white incomers, offspring of the imperialist ruling class mostly] would be extremely surprised to find out that they aren't black!)
MIMX wrote:
(I think the vast majority of Africans [except the descendants of the white incomers, offspring of the imperialist ruling class mostly] would be extremely surprised to find out that they aren't black!)
Black Africa is a commonly used term meant to distinguish the Negro-populated part of the continent from that with the prevailing Arab population (roughly speaking - below the Sahara region, including Chad, the Sudan). How else do you call that region? I don't imply a negative meaning here. SIMPLY.
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MIMX wrote:
(I think the vast majority of Africans [except the descendants of the white incomers, offspring of the imperialist ruling class mostly] would be extremely surprised to find out that they aren't black!)
Black Africa is a commonly used term meant to distinguish the Negro-populated part of the continent from that with the prevailing Arab population (roughly speaking - below the Sahara region, including Chad, the Sudan). How else do you call that region? I don't imply a negative meaning here. SIMPLY.
"rant... simply rant... simply rant... simpleminded rant"
Go and find out what Nubian means/is! Then you can go home and cuddle up to your copy of "Mein Kampf."
MIMX wrote:
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MIMX wrote:
(I think the vast majority of Africans [except the descendants of the white incomers, offspring of the imperialist ruling class mostly] would be extremely surprised to find out that they aren't black!)
Black Africa is a commonly used term meant to distinguish the Negro-populated part of the continent from that with the prevailing Arab population (roughly speaking - below the Sahara region, including Chad, the Sudan). How else do you call that region? I don't imply a negative meaning here. SIMPLY.
"rant... simply rant... simply rant... simpleminded rant"
Go and find out what Nubian means/is! Then you can go home and cuddle up to your copy of "Mein Kampf."
I know about Nubian but it has nothing to do with Kongo or Ivory Coast or with my point of view, whereas I was talking about the lack of political culture in various countries of our time. Don't have me go to the Babylon Zoo.
Jesus-fucking-suffering-H-Christ!
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Nubian's are generally accepted to be amongst the "darkest" peoples of Africa and inhabit parts of Egypt and large tracts of the Sudan. Then as... Now. Today.
"These Days!"
But... Enough is more than a sufficiency. I'll leave it to someone else; with a greater sufferance of fools than I to try to educate ignoramuses.
My poor fucking head!
|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Like a friend of mine said TODAY, Americans have to bring another Hussein to power in Iraq to stabilize the region. Only such types of politicians (like Musharaff) can handle those countries. Though Iraq was screwed up from the beginning by the British.
iraq was screwed up by the ottoman dynasty of turkey, they were in there for like hundreds of years, the brits were there for like only decades
BIGINAMERICA wrote: The official line from Pakistan is now that she bumped her head on her car roof. So are they going to try to say that her death was suicide?
no, just the force of the explosion, caused her to jolt to the lever of the sunroof, if you didnt see the gunman shooting at her, i have seen the footage, i think there is a government conspiracy then, and why havent they arrested the people on the phone congratulating the militants, i dont know, but there you go
MIMX wrote:
EdelBrock wrote:
Before you start claiming Ian is making racist comments, ...
Before you start defending ignorant racist xenophobes maybe you should try reading their comments!
|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote:
Well I meant Black Africa.
(I think the vast majority of Africans [except that tiny minority, the descendants of the white incomers, offspring of the imperialist ruling class mostly] would be extremely surprised to find out that they aren't black!)
While I agree Ian did not use the best words to describe his point.. I think, MIMX, that you are getting caught on a few words and completely ignoring the point he is making. The point is not racist and I really don't believe he meant any racist connections when he stated this, but a poor judgement in vocabulary.
Doctor? wrote:
And it's not that some people are not ready for democracy....some of them don't like the idea, so respect that and leave them alone.
You mention this as if they have put personal great thought into government structures, and by reason of deduction they CHOSE not to desire democracy....
That is the biggest issue we have as Westerners... we try putting ourselves in their shoes, which is utter bollocks, as we can't even comprehend how they think. It has little to do with differences in culture, which everyone wants to point out as the main culprit.
The main issue is due to the ability to control one's own life. They are born in an enviroment that strips away desire for personal accomplishments for a personal future. They live day to day and treat issues that we take dear with the concept of a child. A child doesn't question why their parents tell them to go from point A to point B; they don't question why they get punished; they don't question anything that their parents expect of them.... instead a child wants that feeling of stability surrounding them that is supplied by the parent... and this is even the case when there is an abusive parent. These people have the EXACT same mindset.
The problem we have is trying to mature a society from a 5 year old mindset to a mature grownup... and that takes time... but yet everyone thinks we could do it within a few year timespan...
I agree with Doc? - leave them alone. But I know it's impossible in reality, since there's too much temptation to sell 'em weapons, syphon billions of dollars into suspicious funds, etc.
And MIMX just to end that nonsense and reproaching you exposed me to. I talked about Black Africa not in terms of the color of skin, damn it, I used it as a term covering the region that includes all white settlers and Indians, too, okay? I did not introduce the term. No more on that, please.
MIMX wrote:
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...The same for Africa. Most "countries" there hadn't have political and civic culture. Nevertheless, they were left to govern vast territories without any culture of political or economical development...
Oh, of course. Stupid us! Thinking those "ignorant Africans" like Egyptians and Carthaginians ever had culture!
Sorry, but I've got to go with Ian on this one. You've completely mischaracterized everything he's said.
Big difference between what Ian said and that straw man you set up and keep taking a whack at.
As I'm absolutely certain you're well aware of, most "countries" in Africa are the result of a European colonial legacy that ignored tribal and religious differences when drawing territorial lines on the map. Prior to colonization, most of these “countries” never existed—many regions of Africa were governed on a tribal model, rather than a national model. After colonization, “countries” consisting of tribes that had never been in the same political unit, and were often mortal enemies, were expected to govern themselves, when they had never had any experience of doing so.
I.e., these "countries" had never been countries, and thus had no "political and civic culture."
Surely you know this history? And surely you understand what Ian means by “political and civic culture”?
I don't often agree with Ian, but before you call him an "ignorant racist xenophobe," you should first adress what he actually said, rather than that straw man you labored to construct, and second, you should try to understand that Africa is far more diverse than you've portrayed it to be.
Comrade Shampanyov wrote: Egypt was a culture that originated in Africa
Nah it didn't. They came from Mars through a big effing Stargate. Saw a documentary about it once with that James Spader in it.
Anyways, WTF has this got to do with Bhutto? :offtopic:
Sorry , bit confused on the big squabble on how exactly she died
She's dead as result of the assasin /suicide bomber so ,erm , what difference does it make?
Burt Reynolds wrote:
Comrade Shampanyov wrote: Egypt was a culture that originated in Africa
Nah it didn't. They came from Mars through a big effing Stargate. Saw a documentary about it once with that James Spader in it.
I stand corrected.
(wonder what happens if I accidentally type "Shug" instead of "shrug"?)
Burt Reynolds wrote: Anyways, WTF has this got to do with Bhutto? :offtopic:
Wouldn't be BHD if it was on topic. 
Back on topic: Who stood to gain the most from Bhutto's assasination? Musharaff, obviously. Seems to be the consensus in the streets of Pakistan, too.
johnny wrote: Sorry , bit confused on the big squabble on how exactly she died
Well having seen the footage available widely on TV networks of a guy with a handgun shoot her at least three times before she um... banged her head on the sunroof, I would have thought method of death is important. Considering Musharraf was so quick to put her in the ground in accordance with Islamic tradition, despite neither her or him being devout practising Muslims, its all a bit odd. One wonders if those bullets were standard issue Pakistani govt weaponry.
So it might be important johnny.
Comrade Shampanyov wrote:
Back on topic: Who stood to gain the most from Bhutto's assasination? Musharaff, obviously. Seems to be the consensus in the streets of Pakistan, too.
Short term yes. I dont think he has much of a long term though. Unless a credible 'US-friendly' (i.e. anti-radical Muslim) candidate appears very fast, then I suspect the country is on the verge of civil war. And in this case, I would fully back a Western invasion of the place at the merest hint of the radicals taking over. Much as i respect Musharraf for holding the place together, his time is gone, and he's missed an opportunity this week of holidng on to some power and respect i reckon.
Iran is on hold; Pakistan is far more dangerous, with India, China and Russia bordering.
Chris Nash wrote: Is it too early for the sick jokes to start?
No! By no means, wait any longer, and it'll be too late. ("At a later date/Someone somewhere blew it.") Come on Chris let the cat out the bag... ...was it the same sick joke that immediately sprang to my mind, I wonder?
(PS: To the wee white right-wing posters above; If you think I'm going to waste breath/words in debating your ludicrous argument that anyone other than a white western male is some sort of semi-human childlike sub-species, and western British and/or American capitalism is the pinnacle of human achievement then you are sadly mistaken. Your own words are more than enough to condemn you, and expose you to the ridicule you so richly deserve.)
Q: How did they know Benazir Bhutto had dandruff?
A: They found her head and shoulders on the pavement...
I'll get my coat...
MIMX wrote: (PS: To the wee white right-wing posters above; If you think I'm going to waste breath/words in debating your ludicrous argument that anyone other than a white western male is some sort of semi-human childlike sub-species, and western British and/or American capitalism is the pinnacle of human achievement then you are sadly mistaken. Your own words are more than enough to condemn you, and expose you to the ridicule you so richly deserve.)
For somebody who thinks that "African culture" (not forgetting that you have completely mischaracterized what Ian said) consists of ancient North African civilizations, you sure have a lot to say about those straw men you keep setting up.
Comrade Shampanyov wrote:
MIMX wrote: (PS: To the wee white right-wing posters above; If you think I'm going to waste breath/words in debating your ludicrous argument that anyone other than a white western male is some sort of semi-human childlike sub-species, and western British and/or American capitalism is the pinnacle of human achievement then you are sadly mistaken. Your own words are more than enough to condemn you, and expose you to the ridicule you so richly deserve.)
For somebody who thinks that "African culture" (not forgetting that you have completely mischaracterized what Ian said) consists of ancient North African civilizations, you sure have a lot to say about those straw men you keep setting up.
FFS you finally find someone here who is as big an intellectual wanker as yourself and you proceed to fight with him.
Ian when Commie is defending you, you know it is time to run.
